To all those who believe your hatred is isolated - that the articles written or the comments made are somehow immune to the contribution of Hate in the United States....reconsider. We all have opinions and we all have the right to express them....however, with that "right" comes something rarely mentioned these days: accountability. We have the responsibility to act rationally in the face of whatever issue we are discussing. When we take the "right" and forget the "responsibility," we become the very things we despise....
For any who do not follow the statement above, I will elaborate with an example: Joe Doe and Jane Doe hate illegal aliens. They blog night and day, dedicate every available moment to the destruction of or at least to the demise of Mexicans (particularly) in the United States. They deny any affiliations and that they are racist. They are "concerned citizens" fighting for the future of their country - to prevent it from becoming a Third World Nation.
Jerry Doe is an unrelated, unemployed, angry individual who lives 1000 miles away. He is a little unstable and can't hold a job for very long. He has never been to jail. He hates Mexicans more than other minorities because he sees them as "invaders." He is justified by this because he hears it on the radio and sees it on the internet. He reads some entries from Joe and Jane Doe - they share the same last name, the same opinions and are terrified for the future of their country. Jerry Doe tries to sleep but can't - his mind is racing - and his head hurts because the Mexicans in the apartment above are playing their music too loud. Jerry Doe snaps and, using a bat, viciously beats three Mexican illegal immigrants to death. When he is arrested, he feels no remorse. He has justification - anyone will tell you he is a patriot and a hero to his country.
Don't let it happen to you.
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In recent events:
• On May 6, the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held an anti-immigration rally in Russellville, Ala., that drew more than 300 Klansmen and Klan supporters, including members of the neo-Nazi hate group Aryan Nations. At the rally, robed Klansmen burned a 22-foot-high cross and yelled, "Let's get rid of the Mexicans!"
• On April 29, a neo-Nazi in East Hampton, N.Y., was arrested for threatening two Hispanic teenagers he and several friends imprisoned for 90 minutes in a shed painted with swastikas. The skinhead reportedly held the blade of the machete to the throat of one while threatening to kill him, and chased another around with a running chainsaw yelling, "This is how you run across the border!"
• On April 22, a 17-year-old Hispanic high school football player was dragged from a suburban house party in Texas and savagely attacked by two white assailants, one of them a neo-Nazi skinhead. Police said the attackers were apparently enraged because the victim tried to kiss a young girl they believed to be Caucasian. After forcing the Hispanic youth into a backyard, they burned his neck with cigarettes, stomped his head with steel-toed boots, and slashed his chest with a knife, all while shouting racial slurs. They then stripped him naked and sodomized him with a patio umbrella pole.
The skinhead kicked the pole repeatedly.
"I don't mean just a little bit," said Harris County prosecutor Mike Trent. "He kicked it in and shoved it so far in that he has caused major organ damage. It looks like they were really trying to kill him and torture him anyway they could."
At press time, the victim remained in critical condition.
• On March 27, New Jersey-based neo-Nazi radio host Hal Turner called for the mass murder of Hispanics and the assassination of U.S. senators who support guest worker programs. "All of you who think there's a peaceful solution to these invaders are wrong. We're going to have to start killing these people," Turner said. "I advocate using extreme violence against illegal aliens. Clean your guns. Have plenty of ammunition. Find out where the largest gathering of illegal aliens will be near you. Go to the area well in advance, scope out several places to position yourself and then do what has to be done." Turner directed his listeners to a website that provides detailed instructions on constructing pipe bombs, ammonium nitrate "fertilizer bombs," car bombs, chlorine gas bombs, and other homemade explosive devices.
As the volatile issue of immigration has taken center stage in political debates, it's become clear that hate groups believe they've found a deeply resonant issue with racial overtones they can exploit to generate a hostile social climate that fosters bigotry and violence toward all Hispanics, whether they're in the country illegally or not.
When Hispanic families in Tucson, Ariz., gathered in a park to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, anti-immigration extremist Roy Warden arrived, strapped with a pistol, and led a demonstration. "Listen up, Mexican invaders," Warden said. "We will not permit you, the ignorant, the savage, the unwashed, to overrun us, as happened in Rome. ... Land must be paid for in blood. If any invader tries to take this land from us, we will wash this land and nurture our soil with oceans of their blood!" Warden later E-mailed a death threat to Isabel Garcia, a Tucson public defender who co-chairs the human rights group Derechos Humanos. The E-mail was titled, "Warden to Isabel Garcia: I will blow your freaking head off!"
Also in Tucson, anti-immigration leader and close Warden ally Laine Lawless secretly contacted the nation's largest neo-Nazi organization to urge its leaders to launch a campaign of violence and harassment against undocumented immigrants, (see story p. 22).
Elsewhere in Arizona, when 100,000 people marched through Phoenix in support of immigrants in April, the largest public demonstration in the city's history drew a litany of disturbing reactions from the media, elected officials, and radical extremists. State Rep. Russell Pearce continued to stereotype illegal immigrants as ruthless criminals by falsely claiming that 80% of violent crimes involve illegal immigrants, a statistic he was unable to defend when questioned. Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio organized a 250-member citizens' posse to patrol the desert for illegal immigrants, and Phoenix radio talk show host Brian James urged his listeners to pick a night and "kill whoever crosses the border," prompting federal and state prosecutors to file a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission.
In California, the leader of the hate group Save Our State, Joe Turner, obtained enough signatures from residents of San Bernardino to get an immigrant-bashing initiative he authored on the upcoming ballot. Turner's "City of San Bernardino Illegal Immigration Relief Act" would prohibit city funding of day laborer centers, allow police to seize the vehicles of anyone hiring an undocumented day laborer, and make it a crime for landlords to rent to illegal immigrants.
Turner's stated goal is to prevent immigrants from turning California into a "Third World Cesspool." Racist skinheads frequently attend Save Our State rallies, and several of the group's members have recently advocated far more extreme measures than the San Bernardino ballot initiative. "I see people with vans driving by, gunning them down on street corners, and leaving them to feed the buzzards and worms," wrote Save Our State activist "Cazamigrante" ("Migrant hunter") as part of an online discussion of the heavily Latino street protests across the country.
Another Save Our State activist, "Bryan," recommended archery as an effective tactic against Mexicans. "Just a friendly reminder: There is no Brady Bill on bow and arrow. There is also no report or muzzle flash to give away position."
Also in California, Minuteman Project co-founder Jim Gilchrist set off on a cross-country Minuteman Caravan making stops in several states to help fight the "illegal alien invasion crisis." On May 8, Gilchrist was a guest on Tennessee radio show produced by the hate radio show Political Cesspool. It was Gilchrist's second appearance on the Cesspool. He was interviewed by Bill Rolen, a board member of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens who readily agreed with Gilchrist's characterization of illegal aliens as people whose "intentions are to just squat here and plunder whatever social benefits our programs provide them." (However, Rolen, a staunch neo-Confederate, was less inclined to go along with Gilchrist's assessment of illegal aliens as the "21st Century slave trade.")
The following morning, at a rally at a Birmingham, Ala., truck stop, a Gilchrist supporter passed out copies of First Freedom, a newspaper featuring a column by white supremacist David Duke and articles praising incarcerated Holocaust deniers David Irving and Ernst Zundel.
Gilchrist wasn't the only nativist talking about an "illegal alien invasion." On the Internet, violent rhetoric against Hispanics continued to fester, with extremists posting warnings that Mexican flags on American soil constituted an "invasion" of the United States, which for many anti-immigration activists and white supremacists would mark the long-awaited beginning of the race war. As one poster on the white supremacist Stormfront website put it, "It will be grand. More exciting than the zombie flicks. If you have a good defense line and lots of ammo, the carnage will be orgasmic."
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Turner's stated goal is to prevent immigrants from turning California into a "Third World Cesspool." Racist skinheads frequently attend Save Our State rallies, and several of the group's members have recently advocated far more extreme measures than the San Bernardino ballot initiative. "I see people with vans driving by, gunning them down on street corners, and leaving them to feed the buzzards and worms," wrote Save Our State activist "Cazamigrante" ("Migrant hunter") as part of an online discussion of the heavily Latino street protests across the country.
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Here is a list of events of extremist groups by state:
http://www.adl.org/Learn/Events_2001/events_archive_by_year_print.asp?Year=2006
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Comments: 22
The fact that Jerry read the work of Jane and John and later snapped is not the fault of John and Jane. It is the fault of Jerry and only Jerry.
The fact that all of those who seek the end of illegal immigration have a similar goal does not make the law abiding anti-immigration faction haters, or neo-nazis or KKK. You cannot blame the many for the excesses, however noxious, of the few.
Good try though. Make the white folk feel guilty for wanting to run the Mexicans out of the country because some go too far. I bet there are a bunch of people you can intimidate that way.
AMEN!
People, I don't think she's trying to accuse everyone who is against illegal immigration of being racist. I think she is trying to argue, as she has in so many of her comments, that racism in this issue DOES EXIST. It's ridiculous to deny that.
"Hate Crimes Committed by Hispanics
The government's treatment of hate crimes is misleading in another, even more obvious way, in that the FBI reports hate crimes against Hispanics but not by Hispanics. Appendix B is the FBI's "Hate Crime Incident Report," which is used to record bias crimes. Although Hispanics are clearly indicated as a victim category in the "Bias Motivation" section, they are not a perpetrator category in "Suspected Race of Offender." The FBI therefore forces local law enforcement agencies to categorize most Hispanic offenders as "white" (see "Measuring Hispanic Crime Rates," below) and the figures for 1997 reflect this. The total number of hate crimes for that year–9,861–includes 636 crimes of anti-Hispanic bias, but not one of the 8,474 known offenders is "Hispanic" because the FBI's data collection method does not permit such a designation.
If a Mexican is assaulted for reasons of ethnicity he is officially recorded as Hispanic. However, he becomes white if he commits a hate crime against a black. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both the victim and the perpetrator are reported as white. And, in fact, the 1997 FBI figures duly record 214 "white" offenders who committed anti-white hate crimes.(3) The offenders were probably Hispanic, but if that is the case the report should say so. If some of the "whites" who are reported to have committed crimes against blacks are also Hispanic, the report should indicate that, too."
http://www.newsnet14.com/?p=27
You really should go to the link and read the article, it is very enlightening! Hispanics count as hispanics only when they are the victims, when they are the perpetrators, they count as white! Very interesting!
The point is this. We are educated human beings. Our words have ominous consequences. This can be done without extremist views. This can be done without hysteria. There is no need to make an already horrible situation worse.
That's what the article is about. And interestingly enough - I wonder how many of your actually understood that?
What I gather from the comments above is that good percentage simply shrugged it off as if it doesn't apply to them.
I can be against illegal, rampant immigration without resulting to hate. It isn't weakness to look at the situation and see both sides.
The problem can't be solved if we divide ourselves..."Us and them, pro and anti, brown and black and white, legal and illegal....
We are hurting ourselves by allowing this embarrassment to continue. Most of us don't want to kill illegal immigrants - we just want them to either be legal or go back home.
BUT, when we graduate to another school of thought - one that is ominous or we promote those who do.....What does that mean? What do we become as a result?
THAT is the point of the article....
I'm here, Timothy - Go ahead and make your point.
And Bob, do you really believe if you are mean enough, they'll go away? Do you deny that the events in the article happen(ed)?
Timothy, when did you ever cross the line and demand that illegal immigrants are filth and their children don't count and they all need to be rounded up like cattle and returned to where they come from?
Your previous comment was a " back out ".
Any other country on this planet would have deported them already. 20 million illegal immigrants in any other country on this planet would be considered an invasion.
BTW, There you go again mis-quoting me. Just exactly where did I say that the illegal immigrants are filth and their children don't count ?
Pehaps Jerry Doe was pushed over the edge by the Mexican flag over a US post office or maybe it was that idiot Rosa Rosalas and her tripe about the "rights" of illegal aliens. Any number of things may trigger psychotic behavior. Perhaps Jerry read one of your articles and your position caused him to nudge past the point of reason. Wow I bet that was it. Yesterday Jerry was just another Joe then he read your article that says he made America this way and something went "tick" in his head and he set out to fix the problem "he" caused.
I'll spot you a 5 for the try. Nothing for the content.
Actually, Jackie isn't responsible for " Jerry Doe's " actions. It in fact was " WE " American voters (I'm being sarcastic here ) who are responsible for the " Illegal Immigrant Invasion " since we voted for politicians who lied to us.
Again, 20 million illegal immigrants in any other nation on this earth would be considered an invasion. In Burma, illegal immigrants are shot and killed.
If the Mexicans are playing the music that loud, they are probably violating an ordinance opps.. they don't have to pay attention to that or any law.
Jerry Doe snaps and goes upstairs and asks them to lower the music or he'll call the cops.
You can write this senario anyway you want your point to validate.
Father of 3 killed on a train station at 8 at night...for $5, MS13. No sleepless nights no loud music, with absolutely no reason at all. There's the truth, hide that behind your reason for keeping them here.
With 20 million fish, how do you catch the one bad one if you keep throwing back all the ones you've caught? Ans. you can't unless you throw the ones you've caught into a different tempoary location so you don't re-catch the good ones!
Rough week at work - I was rabid for a few days.....
Fire away.......
A couple of weeks ago I went to pull over a stolen lifted four wheel drive truck. The truck began to pull over. Then suddenly sped off and attempted to take a hard right into another street. The truck ended up hitting a small sedan in the drivers door sending it flying into some grass. The grass and car caught fire, I grabbed my fire extinguisher and headed to the sedan. I pulled a family of four out of the sedan and then extinguished the fire. Their car was totaled. A Hispanic family on their way to a local farm to pick their Halloween pumpkin. The truck continued a few hundred yards into the brush where all the occupants ran off. Thank god the family was OK. I later searched for the occupants of the truck but I had to take care of the family first so by the time EMT and fire showed up about 30 minutes had past and the occupants of the truck were long gone. We did manage to find 3 of the trucks occupant but they were supposedly so hurt that we couldn't interview them to verify that fact (a ton of red tape, we just can't assume they are illegal we have to interview them) by the footprints we figure the truck had 12 people in it. Who they were, what kind of people they were? We'll never know. By the time someone freed up and went to find the people that went to the Hospital they were gone, big surprise. So now a poor family (ironically Hispanic, USC kids, resident alien parents) is out a car, the guy said he could only afford liability insurance for his mid 90's Neon, so that's gone for ever. He also told me that the neon was the family's only car. Of coarse this whole thing was my fault because I tried to stop a stolen truck full of Illegal Aliens that are only here to take the jobs Americans don't want. I should have simply let them go.
If this made you wonder a little about me feel free to read my articles and comments. I hope this added some balance for the commenter's. Jackie that's why I stress both sides of the issue must be discussed. I bet that if you would have thrown in a couple of the crimes that Illegal Aliens commit people would have seen this story completely different and would be commenting on how much racism and ignorance affects the issue. I may be wrong though, but that's what I think.
I have a question. Why are Illegal Aliens rebuilding New Orleans? I saw thousands of able bodied people walking miles to the bridges and stadium. Maybe we can trade some hardworking Illegal Aliens for lazy Americans. I wonder if that would work? I need to go to bed good night I'm talking none sense now.
Yes, Alex....I know they smuggle people in and I know that they get caught and I know that they hurt others. I KNOW. Watch FOX News and listen to the local t.v. and radio. How much of that would you consider slanted right or left.
Be honest.
No, they aren't all angels. The code they live and die by - is foreign to us here - and that's a fact.
BUT, we can no more round them all up and put them in the same box and say, "They're all scum."
Balance IS necessary and YES, I lost perspective. I do that sometimes. I don't mean to be unfair or over-critical...
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I am not for a blanket amnesty. I am not for protecting any criminal, anytime, regardless of legal status or nationality. I am not for the abuse of any child. Most people feel the exact same way.
We are a nation who, somehow, has arrived at a point when we feel 'entitled' to work when we want, where we want and for as much as we want.
It is a FACT that our productivity is shit.
A nation cannot function without high productivity - I don't care how many hours they get paid for - work is results oriented.
Sigh.....And to answer your question....Illegal Aliens are rebuilding New Orleans for the same reason they serve us meals and clean our hotel rooms. They do it quickly, dependably and without complaint. They don't ask for more money and are super-thrilled when they get another quarter raise.
Sheesh.....The answer is simple. Build the fence, deport the criminals and absorb what is left that has paid taxes and has a documented work history. Depend on federal programs such as H2A and others to identify and authorize permits for agricultural workers. If they are on the migrant stream - they are documented by someone, somewhere. That will keep the fraud to a minimum.
As far as lazy citizens: I have an answer for that. Stop welfare. Wipe it out. Distribute the funds to various other organizations and require those who need help to WORK.
If a single mom with three illegal children can work in agriculture, clean houses and prepare food for sale and rely on her church and community to insure no one starves.....Explain to me why WE CAN'T?
Just a thought, "We have about 4.5% unemployment, Illegal Aliens make up about 5% of the population, does that mean that we only need 0.5% of the Illegal Aliens?"
By the way Jackie I was just being silly with those last two questions. Reason that they are rebuilding New Orleans is because the greedy contractors don't want to pay benefits or good wages. There is a reason why the construction wages have been stale for the past decade and benefits have all but disappeared.
Also a reason for the companies making more money then ever. It's because they can find people willing to work for next to nothing. As for trading lazy Americans for Hard working Illegal Aliens, I'm sure the other countries would have something to say about that. By the way Jackie the only thing that would happen if we got rid of welfare is the crime rate would increase. It's a good idea that was allowed to get completely out of control. The trick is getting it back under control, I'm not going to pretend for one second that I am smart enough to fix this The welfare problem or the Illegal Alien problem. All I can hope to do is inform people, give my perspective, and hope someone will read it and use some of the information others and myself provide to make an educated decision in the ballot box.
If I show you box "a" with $1000 dollars and I show you another two boxes, "b" and "c" but don't tell you what's in there which do you pick. Most would say "a" because you know what's in it. By the way what I didn't tell you is that box "b" is empty and box "c" is a parachute. I also didn't tell you that the airplane we are in is going to crash. My point is that you can't make a choice without knowing all the facts not just the ones convenient to one side of the story.