Here in the United States of America we have free enterprise in every conceivable area, even when it is not appropriate. Medicine is one of those inappropriate areas.
Why is medicine an inappropriate sector for "free enterprise"? Let's look at the system.
Rich people don't have (or see) the problem. I'm just a whiner to them. They have enough money to go to any provider, seek any treatment, try any drug. Their only real problems are those that money can't solve. People who don't have enough money, must have some moral failing that keeps them poor; thus, they deserve all the adversity that comes their way.
Then there are the folks in the middle.
We earn enough to buy medical insurance from my husband's employer. Essentially, that means we make enough money to pay about $600 each month toward medical expenses, on top of any car or house payments and living expenses. That's a hefty bill, and not one everyone can afford.
Because we can afford this health coverage, there are times we think we can afford to go to a doctor, when really we cannot. Last year, the four of us went to the dentist. Four sets of x-rays, check-ups and tooth-cleaning came to about $1200. I was appalled that it cost this much. To make matters more interesting, our dental plan only covered part of the cost, leaving us responsible for the rest. An example of what "the rest" included: $22 each for a fluoride rinse after having our teeth cleaned.
We had used an "in-network" dentist on the approved list of dentists. Our old dentist was not on that list, and consequently, the cost of seeing him became prohibitive. Our dentist was balance-billing, which is unethical, as well as a violation of the contract with our plan administrator. So long as we and everyone else pulled out our flex and credit cards without asking questions, they were getting away with it.*
I call this kind of trouble "the shell game." There are lists, schedules, networks, coverages, exclusions, and formularies, and besides everything else in your life, you are supposed to know who to go to, what to let them provide, what drugs are and are not covered, usual and customary charges, and on into the sunset. . . which of course no one can do, and so the docs and the insurance simply siphon away more money each year, while providing less and less.
Think about it. For $7200 per year, a family of four healthy people ought to be able to pay their own medical bills. And we would, except that my husband and I are prime heart-attack age. One major medical emergency can destroy in a day or two the work of decades. A typical heart attack without bypass surgery can cost $150,000. God bless you if you need open-heart surgery. We cannot afford to jeopardize the tiny net worth we have built up over the last 22 years. So we pay the premiums.
Then there's the poor folk:
There was a time when we had to choose between having a dependable vehicle and health insurance. Everytime there was some sort of serious medical problem, there were payments and bill collectors for months or years afterward. Lots of people are in this boat. They go to the emergency room at the local hospital, and walk away from the bill.
These same people do not take care of their health in ways that lead to more disease, and more need for healthcare; they neglect their teeth, don't get screened for cancers, don't get annual check-ups. As they age, if they don't change their approach to health care, they will become part of the 20% of people who consume 80% of health care services.
Every time one of these people walks away from a medical bill, the cost of doing business with the hospital or doctor goes up for everyone else. A broken wrist costs $20,000. Twenty minutes in a dry whirlpool for the same wrist costs $100. That is $5 per minute! What is wrong with this picture?
The problem does not lie with the patients. The problem lies with insurers and providers.
Providers will freely admit that they consider past-due bills to be loans and think they should bear interest. So-called charity (non-profit) hospitals are in business to stay in business and improve market share.** Do not be fooled. The purpose of almost every non-profit entity is to stay in business and provide jobs for its principals.
Insurers and "plan administrators" pressure providers for the purpose of cutting costs. They create their forms and lists and schedules and send them to everyone. The language is purposely confusing. If you answer the questions wrong, they pay out less. The less they pay out, the more profit they can report to their shareholders (and pocket). The snowstorm of papers that every doctor visit generates is intimidating and complicated, and it is meant to be that way. Divide and confuse.
The healthcare system in this country is not about medicine; it is about profit. Doctors get sucked into the vicious cycle of having to support a huge staff to service enough patients to pay the bills, live, and pay the malpractice premiums we all hear so much about. The trouble with the system is that it should be about health.
Next: Why socialized medicine isn't the big bad boogie man they tell you it is.
*We figured it out and went to the plan administrator, who is now auditing the dentist's accounts with the other 800 employees in the plan. We received a refund of something over $100. I believe it may be time to pass the Tums.
**My friend, formerly employed at the local charity hospital, calls the nuns who administer the facility the "Sisters of Perpetual Greed."


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No thanks I will pass on the socialized medicine.
I suspect that there is something important you are not telling.
I worked for them for a few months. Not only was the pay pretty crappy for my position, but at one of our big "team" meetings it was more than strongly suggested to us who we should vote for in the upcoming election. Made me sick to my stomach and later that week I began searching for a new job.
A few select people should not be getting wealthy on the backs of sick (and sometimes poor) Americans.
I should also mention that, at this point, I'm not very much swayed by individual anecdotes of successes or failures at finding good health insurance or by theoretical arguments concerning the merits of various systems. I'm much more interested in data on how real systems have or have not worked to promote the general welfare. Focusing on an individual case or on one specific strength or weakness of some approach, only takes us farther from a viable solution.
I pay $93 a WEEK to cover a healthy family of 4, with my husbands work coverage He is actually free on that plan
In order to allow people born to assist healing to do their soul work in the world, let's get rid of government/corporate medical profiteering.
Regarding doctors not making enough if US nationalized health care: carolion grailbear mentions the movie SiCKO.. One of the scenes in the movie is discussion with an English doctor who works in England's National Healthcare System (NHS) who brings home the equivalent of $92,000 (USD) per year, and doesn't have to pay for any malpractice insurance. That's a good living!
Yes I know I could probably go to county services but I don't have the stamina to get out my INS badge. ;) Perhaps it will be for the best in the end.
A few points to consider. There are, for example, the common refrains . . . I don't want to pay for YOUR Healthcare. Too bad people. If you HAVE insurance, you're already paying it in the way of increased premiums. Get it right . . . you are ALREADY paying for the unisured . . . and that's even where people have elected to forego insurance to buy that crappy car someone mentioned earlier . . . because treatment will be given and those practioners will be paid. By You. If you don't have insurance, you STILL pay for it. They take what they can and charge others for the rest once you're destitute. Even if you ARE insured . . . there is always the chance of service denial. Chris E. may not understand that because their health coverage is already subsidized by the government and the need hasn't been there . . . but 7.5 MILLION people with insurance have been denied service too.
People without coverage avoid Doctors and medical treatments until the last, absurdly expensive moment. Eight Years ago there were 43 MILLION unisured people. Tens of thousands in costs that might have been prevented for hundreds of dollars instead . . . and that, my friends, is why premiums continue to rise. As they rise, more quit paying . . . forcing more rising costs. In August of this year, the US Census Department claimed that the household incomes rose, the poverty rate declined and YET, the number of uninsured continued to go up.!
The system is broke. Immoral, criminal, unethical, corrupt profit taking for the sake of profit and while people die and suffer . . . the leeches here continue to toss out buzz words to scare people. "Socialized' instead of Universal Healthcare . . . Whatever. Dangerous . . . sucky little countries like France, Canada, Germany, Australia, New Zealand . . . Oh How they suffer from having lower infant mortality rates and providing medical care to every citizen . . . How tragic . . . they're Socialists now and can never own their own homes . . . get real people. It's a word designed to prevent the most basic need in this country from being attended too. Life. Socialized Fire, Police, Sr. Citizen Health (Medicare) . . . these all seem to work. Because "Promote the General Welfare" means that basic Liberties from the Declaration of Independence should be promoted. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. A healthy citizenry improves the Nation . . . . and we can have one AND save money. It's a no brainer. And it will . . . MUST . . . happen. Either before or after the economic collapse of this country.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
With thousands dying because of this and millions uninsured . . . . with an infant mortality rate at staggering proportions and increasing . . . where are the 'right to life' people? Where is the logic? 36 other industrialized nations provide healthcare for ALL of their citizens . . . and they do it for less money. We can cover everyone for LESS money! Why wouldn't we??
BTW: Healthcare isn't a guarenteed right.
So, be happy that you are part of the tax-payer-supported municipal group - yay for you. Think about us tax-payers next time you pay your piddlin' premium costs every month and go to your great doctors.
Incidentally . . . what the hell IS a "guarenteed right."? Really . . . I'm just curious what YOU think IS a guaranteed right. Not Veteran's Benefits, I bet. Not Social Security or Medicare. How do you define this so-called guarantee??? How about a responsibility?? Should a Nation made up of a Government "OF THE PEOPLE" be unconcerned with the life and health of the people . . . their OWN??
Privatized Health has failed. It's done and over.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Police, Fire, Sewer, Municipal Water, roads and highways, housing inspectors, health departments and public education aren't guaranteed rights either; yet we pay for them and do not call them socialist. We label them Public Service and/or Civil Works.
The moniker "Universal Health Care" was a poor choice by someone. They should be calling it Public Health Care, or Civil Health Care, or perhaps even Democratic Health Care. Our government already holds the rights to regulate the health care and insurance industries. This power comes under the heading of safeguarding the people; a power which is already being wielded to limit what choices individuals can make regarding their "habits".
We all know that smoking cigarettes is well on it's way to being completely outlawed, and trans-fats are also in that process. Once mandatory insurance is foisted on the populace, your insurer will be able to require you to submit to various tox-screenings and provide proof of regular exercise. Failing to provide such will cause your policy to sky rocket in cost, or be canceled (landing you in trouble with the law).
For what our country-folk pay in current taxes and in insurance premiums, the entire nation could be adequately provided for. The debilitating change that keeps this from being instated is the fact that no one would be able to get stinking rich simply by working in the health care and insurance industries. Under a Civilian Health Care system, the only way people would get rich off of Health Care would be if they developed some fancy new gadget or developed some new procedure that saved people's lives or made treating them easier.
If health care went public, Chief Executive Officers would be downgraded to chief administration officers, and would be forced to settle for a salary that would be a mere million dollars per year. Hardly palatable to those that are making ten million (or more) per year.
Spot on, Spartan.
Great article, Ann.
Janet illustrates the limitations of anecdotal evidence that Henry Halff wisely notes in his comment.
However many Canadians janet thinks are slipping into the US for healthcare services are insignificant in comparison to the overwhelming support universal Health Care enjoys in Canada.
Canadians have been offered numerous opportunities (at least five) to abandon, restrict, overturn, reduce, or limit universal health, and the nation has embraced thier system each time.
All the Canadians I know point ot health care as a point of national pride against the big bucks for no bang system that we buy in the states.
The US spends a larger proportion of GNP on healthcare than any other nation, and we have the poorest results for the money.
At least 30% of costs are "lost" in redundancy, review, and administration of benefits.
In contrast, Medicaid and Medicare are far more efficient than the commercial payers.
The idea that health care is seen as a vehicle for profit is obscene. The single act of removing "profit" from health care in the United States would dramatically change the dynamic of our economy. Free of the yoke of overbearing health care costs, the middle class, and even the poor would find themselves on a much more level playing field.
Give me a break it is not Bush's fault she was uninsured or got cancer. Nice try though.
There are place that children can go to receive medical care when they have cancer that is at no cost to the parents.
She did not die from being uninsured she died from cancer.
There are waiting times in Canada, and in the UK, but we must remember that the stories we hear are the exceptionally bad ones. When someone gets in on a normal schedule, they don't write epic emails about it. Curiously, I'm not aware of such excessive waiting times in Continental Europe.
with MILLIONS uninsured that everyone else MUST pay for should they be unable to pay. We have the Second Most Newborn Death Rate in the Modern World! Not something I take pride in . . . But, then again, Janet did point out that those babies don't have a right to healthcare. So a child died of cancer . . . uninsured and needlessly suffering too? Whatever.
Stop talking individuals . . . that's NO way to run a Nation.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
We also have insurance through my husband's job, and the premium was around $500 the last time I saw the number. It might be $600 now--and with salaries not increasing at all. This is what is typical. If you're paying $75, it's because your husband's insurance is subsidized by taxpayers--as it should be, since he's an essential public employee. But please understand what is going on for everyone else.
I'm also glad someone understands the insurance business model. More people ought to keep that in mind.
But this isn't a question just about you or just about me. It's about everyone. I know people in government jobs who ended up in bankruptcy because one got colon cancer. If someone finds out their daughter, their brother, their husband, their father, has some form of cancer, isn't that challenging enough to deal with? Should they also have to decide between treating their loved one and losing their homes or sending children to college. Perhaps you think such people deserve that. I do not. I personally think dealing with life-threatening events, or even day to day accidents and disease, is sufficiently stressful.
Fortunately for you, I have enough respect the for importance of law enforcement that I'm happy to pay taxes to support the government that way, else you'd be a contractor having heaven only knows what insurance to choose from.
In my line of work, I deal with a lot of foreign nationals, work with folks in Europe, etc. Although there are people who grouse, I never heard one offer to trade.
The World Health Organization has detailed statistics on #doctors/capita, costs/capita, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. You can't troll through the data and not realize that the American public is being taken to the cleaners by way of our own suffering. We not only pay more than most (if not all), but our results are worse by a sizeable margin. The government already pays about the same per capita for healthcare than several nations with nationalized heathcare - and they only pay 88% of the bill. Either way you slice it, it is the American public really behind those numbers.
Doctors aren't raking in the bucks their prices would indicate either - they spend big bucks for malpractice insurance and to have half their staff not dedicated to health care, but coordinating paperwork for umpteen zillion insurance providers.
Insurance companies and, to an extent, pharmaceutical companies are profiting from the suffering of others- with the protection of government. You want to keep your insurance - go ahead.
I will back those measures that bring everyone in from the cold, not just a lucky self-serving few. After all, as they say in law enforcement, to protect and to serve - that should mean everybody.
You already have one MUCH worse . . . not some, but THOUSANDS die . . . and some of these ARE covered . . . waiting for approval or having been denied -- waiting on care. The difference, of course, is that we pay a lot more for that and it's unnecessary.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
There's the illusion of freedom of choice and that's it. You're free to choose whatever your insurance company says you can choose. Such a deal.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
For years I have subsidized foreign citizens so it is now time for my costs to be subsidized as well since I do not have medical insurance.
In other words, I'm not sure if it's right to assume that any of the US foreign aid Israel receives is used to finance the Israeli health care system.
That doesn't mean, of course, that Americans don't deserve universal coverage too.
It was coined as a way to scare U.S. citizens out of wanting the same type of health insurance as Canada (and all the other developed nations)... and it worked!
You people are so afraid of the word socialised that you have allowed yourselves to be brain washed by the only people who stand to lose if we had universal health insurance... the insurance industry itself!
One of the main reasons Universal Health insurance is not on the table so to speak is because A) the Elected representatives who are supposed to represent us do not rely on the same Health insurance plans the rest of the citizens do
B) The Insurance industry spends millions of dollars every year just to keep the U.S. from turning to universal health insurance .
I have lived and worked in both Canada and the U.S.. I am a Registered Nurse and have worked in both systems. First, my primary reason for coming to the U.S. was climate related. If I'd wanted to make my fortune I would have stayed in Canada where, as an RN I was making in 1989 the same amount of money as I am finally making now. I left 4 weeks of vacation time and an excellent sick leave plan behind as well.
The situation here is that even as a Health Care worker I have lousy health insurance... well at least very expensive health insurance! $3,000 deductible, %70 of covered costs paid by my insurance, $25, $40 and $60 co-pays for medicines and my employer pays the first $300 of the monthly premium... I pay the rest.
In Canada I didn't have to worry about co-pays for MD office visits, diagnostic exams, hospitalizations or out patient services they were all covered by the insurance with no deductible. The only real cost was for medications and then once you met the $100 deductible you got reimbursed for the rest of your medication costs (this was 1989, I'm sure it's a little higher now).
My parents and family all live in Canada and receive good health care. They tell me I am nuts to stay here where the health care system is so discriminatory.
Isn't it a form of discrimination when the wealthy, or the elected representatives in Congress and the Senate can have worry free health care while the rest of us, who's taxes pay for those Congressional and Senate members salaries and benefits, are left either uninsured or with such lousy insurance that we can be bankrupted by a major illness?
Hard to feel bad about a system like that, and I truly believe it can be done. There are lots of examples out there - we just have to look at what works and what doesn't and go from there. We just won't do anything while our lawmakers are bought by those who want to keep their profits.
Without the subsidization financed by our tax dollars, the government's credit would collapse and it would never be able to pay for its citizen's health care.
All the more reason why we should get the same type of protection that we finance for others.
It's possible that the system runs with a deficit and some funds are diverted from elsewhere toward health care, but I don't think it's fair to make the claim that US taxpayers are paying for Israeli health care unless we know that this is the case, and to what extent. You make it sound as though Israeli citizens weren't paying for their health insurance.
Ironically, by suggesting that Israel wouldn't be able to do this on its own, you also imply that universal health insurance is close to impossible for a country to finance--the exact opposite of what you want to tell people. Israel, after all, is not a poor country. Its per capita GDP is in the same range as that of Japan or Germany. Countries with half that, like Poland, are providing similar health coverage.
Why on earth bring Israel into this argument at all?
What a shocker. I guess it's because they don't like their homes burning down . . . their roads made of dirt . . . criminals free to prey on people who don't or can't afford to pay for protection . . . elderly people dying in the streets because they're too frail to work . . . because they like clean water and educated children . . . and . . . it looks like they also think being alive would be a good idea too . . .
Keep calling it Socialism . . . it scares the faint of heart and absolutely AVOIDS the real issue . . . Why should we NOT SAVE money AND lives if we can? 36 other Countrys already can . . .
...And I like to think my Country is the BEST, not the 37th greatest country.
Hmmm. Just a thought.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Socialism does not provide the benefits of civilization in any better capacity than any other system by itself.
Democracy can and does do all those wonderful things.
Socialism eliminates free markets, The state controls all sources of income, and Uncle Sam becomes Uncle Hugo. (or Aunt Hillary)
Liberals love to flaunt their superior "Humanity" but the reality is their sense of superiority makes them think they know whats better for me than I do. Liberals and Socialists just want the power to tell everyone else how to live their lives.
By the way Freaks! Sicko is (dare I say it) politically biased rhetoric. Hehehe
I had no idea that using the word "Socialized" in the title would get so much response!
Since there's no evidence pro or con any opinion on socialism is the product of speculation. Likewise capitalism.
We have a high standard of health care in America because of the free market. Should buisnesses help people get insurance more, yes. Do we need the failure of health care they have in England and Canada, NO!
I saw your spiel. You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean it's the law of the land or of the known universe.
The fact remains that Israel would be bankrupt if it wasn't for the tax dollars used to finance its government. And that is a fact whether you like it or not.
Therefore, if we must subsidize others whether directly or indirectly, we are entitled to the same protection.
If your lunatic ravings had any truth to them it would mean that reich wingers Bush and the self proclaimed ''moral majority'' would be liberals and leftists.
We rank below just about everyone with some form of nationalized health care and pay more than most companies per capita. ALREADY, our government pays as much or more per capita for healthcare than Canada or England, and that's only 44%. That means the companies the government and folks for capitalism are protecting are raking in the rest at the citizens' expense.
If we had head and shoulders better health care than everyone else, maybe you'd have a point, MPD. We don't. The wait times I've been hearing about Canada and England (which are shorter) are about the same or even better than some I've had here in the good ol' USA.
Sorry if I'm not impressed with what unchecked Capitalism has wrought: global warming, people dying for lack of care, people destitute because of unexpected illness, pollution, etc.
"reich wingers"
Looks like you have a MONOPOLY that I could never impinge upon Luckky.
You meant "rantings", right? Hehehe
The fact our cancer survival rate is much better. Also the English system is on the verge of collapse. Canadians cross the border to get health care from us rather than wait in line for standard procedures.
"global warming, people dying for lack of care, people destitute because of unexpected illness, pollution, etc."
Apparently for Stephanie Communist Chinese Smog has a fresher scent than Filthy Capitalist Pig Smog? Thats sort of a "Blame America First" sentiment.
Duhhhh. WE provide most of them already! Except for the healthcare. The term Socialism isn't leveled at our Fire Departments, is it??
"We have a high standard of health care in America because of the free market."
Bullshit. We have millions uninsured and thousands suffering and dying. What good is amazing healthcare if you can't use it?
"Do we need the failure of health care they have in England and Canada, NO!"
You . . . ummmm . . . ARE kidding, right? You know who fails MORE? That's right, US! Only we pay more to fail more. Keep shaking them pom poms!
""The failure of health care they have in Canada and England" - exactly what failure is that? The longer lives or the lower mortality rate?"
Well spoken. Maybe he meant the lesser expense!
"The wait times I've been hearing about Canada and England (which are shorter) are about the same or even better than some I've had here in the good ol' USA."
Think of the wait time for the uninsured!
"Sorry if I'm not impressed with what unchecked Capitalism has wrought..."
Not entirely unchecked. George "I Likes MY Socialized Health plan" Bush who apparently does well enough with HIS healthcare to take the Socialized plan as opposed to finding his own private insurer has made sure there are some checks on competition . . . specifically his Drug Bill which doesn't permit medicare to shop for cheaper drugs. If there's open competition, drug prices might drop.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
that not true because emergency rooms have to care for those that are uninsured.
That IS true, because uninsured people delay treatment they cannot afford and suffer unitl such time as a condition becomes too serious to ignore. Waiting on some serious conditions and not getting check-ups does . . . in fact . . . cause death. A pity you can't understand the facts of the situation which are self evident to people with common sense. It does help to explain your jaded view that we should pay more and leave the millions to their fate.
"I dont know why personal responsibility is so hard for people that is what America was founded on. "
So why the HELL do I pay taxes for a Socialized Fire Department? After all, in the late 1700s we founded this country (according to you) on personal responsibility. Just don't burn your house down.
Brilliant.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
When one talks of personal responsibility, it beg the question: what kind of responsibility did you mean? Responsibility to get insurance? What if you have a chronic condition (through no fault of your own) and either can't get it or can only get it for thousands of dollars a year? Or do you mean responsibility to head off all disease? Perhaps it is just the fault of parents if their child is born with a hole in the heart or if a family member gets leukemia?
As for you, Phileas - it's quite a stretch to assume not wanting self-serving for-profit organizations to make money no matter what the cost to the environment or the citizenry equates with insisting on complete communism. This country has a number of regulations to protect people from the unscrupulous greed. That some of the greedy have bought exemption doesn't change the fact that not everyone can be trusted to play fair. Hence the term UNCHECKED capitalism.
It's scary going out on your own - and life during our first year in business was TIGHT! We were scraping by, when we found out we had more money than we should have in our one checking account. Turned out, the health savings plan had changed hands, and somehow we were lost in the shuffle - they hadn't been removing our premium and had dropped our coverage. Needless to say, we didn't trust them anymore. That began an arduous search for affordable health insurance.
Well, to make a long story short, we'd finally found an insurance company the would insure our family for ~$600/mo - it was going to be difficult, but we moved forward, and our coverage was set to go into place the first of August. Mid-July we went into Rainbow with our 7-yr-old, with a diagnosis of leukemia. Needless to say that the insurace company, to which we had already sent our first month premium, dropped us like a hot potato (returning our initial check). The only insurance we could find after that was nearly $1100/mo, with deductibles.
Now I have NEVER had to rely on the government for anything, and I can tell you, it was hard to swallow my pride and admit that we needed MedicAid, but we did. I'm proud, but my son NEEDS medication that costs $3000/mo. Yes, I could go back to work, and work to pay the deductables and copays for the treatment, and let my small business go, but that means that I would be allowing insurance to dictate my life, and that just seems wrong.
What really frightens me, right now, is when our business starts making money and our son can no longer qualify for Medicaid because we make too much. I know there are other, special programs, to help children in this type of situation, but it takes someone with a PhD to navigate the beauracracy that has built up to deal with all of the 'special circumstances' under which we, as a country, feel obligated to help with healthcare costs.
Wouldn't it make more sense to take all of the overhead, taxes, and middlemoney that goes into making our current system work, and reroute it so that it is doing something for EVERYONE that needs the healthcare, instead of funding those that really have nothing to do with healthcare at all (like insurance agents and insurance paperpushers).
I was reading somewhere that in the Netherlands there healthcare costs are 4% of the GNP. In the US, that number is over 10%. Just think what we could do if all of that money that goes to 'healthcare', actually went towards keeping the people of this country healthy?
Yeah, and if the operation doesn't kill you, the bill will.
Yup, ol' Phileass is in a fogg.
Oops, make that Phileas.
Hillary's plan will cost TRILLIONS more than her lies would lead us you sheep to believe. Compound that again, when the millions of workers lose their jobs as the economy stalls under her "leadership".
Seems every Liberal here has a story about how they where treated unfairly when they got sick. Well here is my story:
When I had a pulmonary embolism earlier this year, I went to urgent care, gave them my insurance card, and they treated me. 3 days in the hospital, I paid my deductible up to the point I was responsible for, got my medicine and took it, and I am fine again. No drama, no begging liberals for a handout, finest care I could have possibly asked for.
I was also in the military, had a father in the VA system, that is what you will get with Government health care, and it ain't good. You think you are going to get the same insurance the Congress gets? When was the last time Congress gave you anything like what they get?
Be realistic people, granted the health care system could use an overhaul, but profit drives innovation. Innovation makes those folks from England and Canada come here for their medical care. Who wants to be a Doctor in England? Islamic Terrorists, thats who.
I am certain that it will be a few trillion less that your hero Bush's war on Iraq.
In my many years in the accounting and tax field, I have seen more bankruptcies arising from huge medical costs thna from any other reason. You can work all your life and plan for a comfortable retirement, but if something happens to you, you are sunk. I have known many Canadians and Enlgish folk in my time and NEVER did I encounter anyone who suffered bankruptcy from medical crises or who criticized the health care they got back home.
And BTW, I have also known Israeli citizens with the same type of history.
It's itme to have that medical coverage that everyone else gets.
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