This is a vexing question to me, perhaps
because of the enormous hostility a sizable
number of Americans seem to have about
immigrants (again) despite the *fact* that
everyone in the Western hemisphere is
descended from folks who came here from Asia,
Africa or Europe a very long time ago to fairly
recently. The current buzzword that seems to
inflame folks the most is "illegal." "They" did not
come here with the US government's permission
(ignoring completely that that government's
"permssion" is granted both grudgingly and very
sparingly, primarily focused now on "quality
workers" as opposed to whoever wants to come
here).
Current estimates number this population of
"illegals" at approximately twelve million people,
4% of our total population. I suspect 90% of
them are what the immigration people call
"economic refugees," a category we now deny
entry to, although prior to 1921, I suspect that
95% of the so-called "legal" immigrants to the
US (some twenty million from 1890-1920) were
in fact refugees of this category. They heard and
believed America was "the land of opportunity,"
and for most, over time, this was actually true.
This was also true for those who Congress chose
to allow to come here in the 1970s to 1990s as
political upheaval tore their countries apart -
Cambodia, Vietnam and the USSR - although
many of them could claim to be both political
and economic refugees. But, the word "illegal"
taints these twelve million primarily Hispanic
immigrants, because they fled absolute misery
and poverty to share in "the American dream"
that some would vigorously deny them solely
because they entered the US without legal
sanction (which our quota system would have
denied them legal entry anyway).
I agree that a percentage of these folks have
behaved criminally since they came here, and
I do not know what that percentage is. I also
know that "illegals" can well be a strain on
health and education systems. I would contend,
however, that if we had a more accessible
health care system in this country, not only
might some of these folks get care at
reasonable cost, but so might the 45-47 million
"legal" residents who are cut off from that care
for lack of insurance. Education benefits the
society as a whole regardless of the status of
who gets it.
We say we need workers of all types. Yet more
and more jobs are outsourced, more and more
jobs are downsized or moved to other countries
(such as in the manufacturing area), and then
these individuals are accused of "competing for
American jobs" because a chunk of Americans
now have no other place to go in the labor market
but downwards, where "illegals" have "traditionally"
filled a niche since the 1920s - harvesting, maid and
cleaning services, janitorial work, landscaping and
various kinds of food service (at the least, I'm sure
there are other categories). Now, some Americans
are desperate enough to take those jobs and resent
both the below minimum wage pay and the lousy
working conditions these illegals gladly endure
because it's so much more than the $1-2 a day they
would earn a day in Mexico, Haiti, El Salvador,
Honduras, Guatemala, Belize, Cuba and further
south.
But, all manner of draconian ideas have been and
are being thrown about in terms of dealing with
"border security" and "keeping those people out" -
English only laws, virtual and real walls (although
I hear the proposed 135 mile wall to be built in
Texas is bitterly opposed by a majority of Texans),
deportation of all twelve million "illegals," fines and
felony records for those caught here without our
permission, severe jails sentences and fines for
employers daring to hire "undocumented workers,"
and now, I heard this morning from an eyewitness,
some 8,000 "illegals" are incarcerated in Texas in
"detention camps," barely one step above the
concentration camps of both Boer and Nazi times.
As I've said before, what has happened to America's
welcoming of those who wanted to come here? As
an immigrant historian, I know that since 1840, there
have been several streaks of "nativism" in our past
history, where multi-generation Americans were
abusive of, and hostile to, one wave of immigrants or
another. Germans, Italians, Jews, eastern Europeans,
Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Vietnamese, Koreans,
and Cambodians in the past, and Hispanics today,
have taken a fair amount of heat for being "different"
(and generally "poor").
However, I would contend that over the roughly
400 years of European, black, Asian and "brown"
immigration to this country, the same pattern,
roughly, has occurred in all cases - the first
generation comes, learns English poorly (if at all),
yet works hard, pays whatever taxes they can,
and pushes both education and work upon their
children. Their children, the second generation, are
generally bilingual, become citizens (maybe their
parents do go for citizenship, many do not), pay
taxes and work. Their children become fully
assimilated, the "home language" often no longer
spoken, and they also work, although often infected
with the same "comfortability malaise" that most
Americans have - aspiring for all the toys and goodies
that most of middle class America has, which the prior
two generations may have eschewed in favor of
education and a home.
Every prior "wave" of individuals who have come here
have assimilated, with only two having taken longer,
and that because of generally rotten treatment by the
white majority - blacks and Indians. The latter group
still struggles with lower life spans, more disease and
poverty, and more alcoholism, than the mainstream.
But, there is upward mobility still for any individual who
is willing to work hard to achieve a better life, although
it can be harder today than in prior times.
America is no longer a welcoming place. These people
can be absorbed as well as their predecessors were,
whatever terms we impose for that to occur will be
met by tens of thousands of them save for one condition
I believe to be ludicrous and unreasonable (I think) -
going back to where they came from and begging
admission to come in. We have shown since the 1882
Chinese Exclusion Act, the two quota immigration laws
of 1921 and 1924 that folks from elsewhere are not
desired by lily white America, whose population
convienently forgets where they came from decades
or centuries ago.
Perhaps 9/11 turned the spigot of American compassion
off, although I think this hostility about those from
elsewhere has been with us for at least 170 years in a
very pronounced way. Our society has been greatly
enriched by every other influx that has come here. Yes,
each group has had criminals - the Irish gangs of the
Civil War period and after, the Italian mafia of 1890 to
the 1930s, the Russian mafia of the 1980s and 1990s,
the drug runners and gangs from Central and South
America from the 1970s to the present have been an
unwelcome part of the immigration story. But, these,
I would contend, have always been a minority. These
current immigrants are like all others who have come
here before them - seeking decent employment, a plot
of land they can call their own, educational opportunities
for their children; in short, coming here to better
themselves as did everyone else who came here.
I find the rhetoric over the pending immigration bill to be
rather sad, and amazinly exclsionary. That so many are
willing to be punishing, negative, and hostile is staggering
to me! I personally believe that this bill will not pass.
I wish something would, because I suspect the partial "
solutions" that will probably emerge if the bill fails will
probably be primarily for punishment and enforcement,
not for welcoming, guest workers, or a "path to citizenship."
I also believe that this wall idea, as I believe also about
the wall in the West Bank, is stupid, counter productive
and anti-American (or at least anti-American ideals, which
I think most Americans have lost sight of). But, I know
security *is* a concern, although why primarily only the
southern border mystifies me - if we don't want anybody
coming here, why not "Fortress America?" (sorry for the
sarcasm) I think, in the long run, America will regret that
it turned away from these folks, for the most part I believe
they would be as enriching to our society as has been the
long trail of all those who came before them regardless of
"status" or the problems they may engendered in the short
term. In the end result, America has become a richer place
for those who came here from wherever they came. VMS
17 June, 2007


Comments: 19
Now lets talk about what is going to happen with all us pissed off Americans if somehow we get our Senators to pull there heads out and Vote no for Amnesty. Are we going to go back into our status Quoe holes and let this problem go away by ignoring it? The problem doesn't stop at getting our Senators to Vote No on amnesty. Think about the uprising this is going to stir up in the Illegal Imigrant Community and I am not just talking about Hispanic I am talking Red, White, Black, Brown, Olive, Yellow. We are fighting a huge problem and it needs to start being fought by not getting complacent and allowing what has happened over the last 25 years to continue to happen. Enforcement is everything and its not always going to look pretty when we are enforcing the laws that need to be enforced. Next problem is all the bleeding heart liberals that are going to start screaming when they see a Imigration officer putting a Illegal Mother and her kids on a bus and shipping them back to where they come from. Oh they cant do that its inhumane. Maybe our bleeding heart liberals should see the conditions that the governments of the countries these people are coming from and then judge our Imigration officers. Why dont we start looking at our policies regarding where our kids can work. Why is it that my mother and father could work in a field picking cotton and harvesting vegetables but our kids cant. Is it because they might miss some time behind there X-Boxes? We couldn't have that but we can put Illegal Imigrants in the jobs that we wont put our kids in??? Lets stop and think about this problem a little more than what we are. I dont think giving Illegal Imigrants amnesty is the solution to this problem but if we are willing to complain about this problem lets see it to its solution not just yell at our Senators and say thats good enough.
I for one have seen the living conditions and societies in third world countries and I don't want my country to become one as well. Yes, we want to "discriminate" and allow people to come here who speak our language, can read and write, and who have skills we actually need here. Our government is not taking care of our own citizens and our own problems, why in heaven's name should we turn around and give away (out of our pockets by the way) the very things we will not give our own?
Yup, some illegals are taking jobs. But, our country is also sending jobs away, it's not all the illegals' fault.
Also, Carolyn G., I'm glad you asked why it should be us who take in the world's "to take in the world's uneducated, illiterate, unskilled people?" I've been wanting to ask people if we are going to take down the stature of liberty since it seems so many Americans don't agree with the sentiments on it. And, I'd also like to ask, so are you full-blooded Native American then? Your family weren't immigrants who came here looking for a better life?
There is another options, we could always completely lower the economic structure of the USA and get on the same playing field as the rest of the world. What if the $750,000 house your setting in was worth $75,000 and the $250,000 house is worth $25,000. Of course the money is worth the same your just getting paid less and we lower the amount for the goods we buy. Would big bisuness alow this to happen? Where would there profit margins go? I would ask that we start looking at what is happening in America. Our jobs are being sent to countries like China, Costa Rica, Mexico. Ask yourself who is to profit from it? Is it the person who is getting laid off here in America? Is it the top dog in the Bisuness that laid the American worker off? Ask yourself how much the worker is willing to work for from these countries and see where the greed starts to come into play. Its not the worker in the other countries its the top dogs in our companies. We as Americans need to stop this visous cycle. What is happening is that the Middle Class Americans are slowly getting cut out to bump up the profit margins (If We dont have to pay there Healthcare, Disability Insurance, pention plans we will make more money).
We also face hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers who are here in the UK quite legally as they are citizens of another EU state. However, many of them are badly educated, have no skills and add nothing to the UK's economy.
Some, like the Poles are welcome - others like some of the other 'Eastern bloc' countries are just here for the handouts. Families of 20+ are arriving at Victoria bus station without a penny. They and their families are a tremendous drain on local city and town governments, in terms of housing, medicine, schooling etc. We have to provide all of those services - as they are fully entitled to receive them from any EU country. It's just that the UK has almost the best unemployment benefits within the EU, so most choose to come here... and they're LEGAL!
You'll have to remember, however, that they came here sometime around the turn of the last century.
I am sorry you think we are or should be the dumping ground for all the world's problems and that we as citizens are somehow bound to pay for every other person in the world who isn't living well. Personally I figure when we solve all of our problems and are taking care of our own then is plenty of time to turn around and begin taking care of everyone else. We give more in charity than almost any other country. I don't see why we should be willing to sacrifice our life style and our prosperity so we can have crime-ridden barrios such as those I saw in Caracas and elsewhere. Do we really need cardboard boxes and tin shacks lining our hillsides so we can accommodate every poor, illiterate, unskilled, and uneducated person in the world? Why don't we just open the floodgates and invite all the victims of AIDS in Africa as well?
From my perspective we need to take care of our own. Then we can allow in those we need who possess skills we as a society need. People are fond of pointing out that we're not the world's police force (though under Mr. Bush that is questionable). Well, we're not the world's human dumping ground either.
Many democratic politicians recognize that the Hispanic vote is growing rapidly and can see the writing on the wall. This will be a large voting segment. Look at how quickly these individuals were able to mobilize and march. Their leadership is quite vocal.
Many republican politicians are simply looking for cheap labor. Why pay Bob $10 per hour, when Jose will work for $6. Unfortunately, when Jose becomes legal he'll want $10 also, and Miguel will have to sneak across for $6.
Caught in the middle of these two powerful forces are the American people, who feel genuinely sorry for the "economic" refugee. Let's look at this from a different perspective for a moment, without the violins in the background.
What if neither Jose or Miguel could enter the country illegally? What would they expect begin to expect or demand from Mexico? Is it possible that eventually the same Jose - who marches defiantly in America waving a Mexican flag and making demands - would eventually make demands on his own country. What if the Hispanic leaders, began to fund and encourage revolution in Mexico? Think of how wise Mexico has been in this issue.
They allow their young, poor workforce to leave. These are the very same ones, who would eventually take to the streets in anger and demand change. Consider what would happen if young men and women actually had to continue to live in Mexico. Think of the outrage that would build and eventually boil, until the country exploded with the natural force of a strong willed people.
But, then again... our politicians wouldn't have the extra votes or the cheap labor. What would happen to American wages? What if a company couldn't get Jose or Miguel? Gosh, what if they were forced to deal with Bob and his unreasonable demands for fair wages and benefits. Perhaps some companies would leave the US. But, then perhaps eventually, American consumers would get angry and cry foul at products being produced overseas and shipped in.
Oh, but we can't seriously be discussing deporting 12 million people. Right.
I saw an news special on television one night where a young Mexican woman - illegally came into the US, but decided we weren't friendly enough. You'll never guess what she did. She left. She went to France, instead.
What about breaking up families? How could we consider such a thing? Separating women from their babies... That's been one of the most interesting comments, yet. This is something that happened during slavery. I assure you, it isn't happening now. Well, unless you count the time, well meaning folk in Florida attempted to keep the little Cuban boy against his father's wishes.
As a mother, my children go where ever I go. It really is that simple. I don't care what their nationality is or becomes. They don't anchor me. I anchor them.
My fear is that every day we "well meaning" Americans sympathize, we delay Mexico's day of reckoning with its people.
I wish I had your way of getting a point across, I have been trying to say that very thing in most every post I make. Imigration shouldn't be our problem, it should be the countrys problem where they come from. Question is are we going to play the come into the USA and we will take care of your problems or are we going to make these people stand and fight the injustice in there own countries. The points I have been trying to make in my posts is we are fighting our own battles. One trying to get the Bisunesses to quit promoting the cheap labor. Two getting our own Government to start enforcing the labor and imigration laws that would take care of the problem.
Be prepared to be sick to your stomach not from graphics just content. Hope all of the Tax Paying Legal Americans see this.
http://www.forthecause.us/media/ftc-video-CNN-AmnestyBillsWorstProvisions_070523.wmv
Oh! I just thought of an answer. Lets vote the Republicans in for a few more terms and hope they continue to 'stay the course', and keep lowering taxes. The national debt will get so high that our funders will call in the chits, and our national economy will plummet causing such a depression that no foreigners will want to come here. Maybe they will sneak into China and India, instead.