You know how the Republicans and others with the slightest skills of observation have been able to discern how so many Obama supporters adore him for no particular reason except for their undying faith in his hope and change promises, to the point that he sits on a pedestal at the same level or higher of the most glorified deities?
Every time I've seen someone accuse an Obama supporter of this Messiah syndrome, however, they become defensive and even abusive to those who would dare call them out on their illogical evaluation that would suffice to deem him worthy of the office of the President. Well, it seems that they now know that he is the Messiah and you can say whatever you want now because they have proof. They won't be angry if you accuse them any longer.
Now you may wonder how they came to this conclusion. Has Obama performed some miracle to bail us out of the financial debacle? Are we suddenly without debt and in no need of any plan because Obama has changed paper into gold?
Have they gotten phone calls from their loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan telling them that Obama has miraculously ended these wars, and they will be flying home to US turf on the next plane? Has he captured Osama bin Ladin? Certainly, any and all of these wand wavings might deem the man a Messiah, but is it because he has accomplished anything even remotely like this that they are now willing to admit that he is, indeed their Messiah?
No, folks, it's because, well...it's because of free market America...in a very broad sense. It's because someone has developed, marketed and distributed... are you ready for this?
A BUMPER STICKER that says, Jesus was a Community organizer; Pontius Pilate was a Governor
Hey, don't believe me. Read the comments.
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"Relieving," pathetic, and deeply disturbing at the same time...
Tennessee Rep. Steve Cohen riled Republicans Wednesday after he compared Barack Obama to Jesus Christ and suggested Sarah Palin is akin to Pontius Pilate.
The Tennessee Democrat, who supports Obama, was on the House floor giving a one-minute speech when he offered the comparisons.
“If you want change, you want the Democratic Party,” Cohen said. “Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor.” http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/tennessee-rep-compares-obama-to-jesus-suggests-palin-is-pilate/
They're even spreading the word on the House floor! Hallelujah and praise be!
I imagine Obama will be lots of fun at parties when he turns water into wine.
Mark-John, very disturbing, very, very, very.
Are you calling me a dog, Mrs Flintstone?
Now, what exactly Jesus was, is another matter altogether . . . and no doubt some will rationalize away his actual story, with some home-made version, but that bumper sticker itself is drawing a false conclusion. If Mr. Obama is a messiah on those grounds . . . he's a false messiah. It pisses me off no end that the Repubs have manipulated that Book's teachings for political advantage, and if the Dems take up such things too . . . well, me hears the sound of clocks winding down.
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's,
and unto God the things that are God's.
Let me see if I have this sized correctly now.
You betcha! hehe
I think she was talking to me, Lera. I responded above.
Good night, hon!
Now I could be wrong here. There might be some Gnostic Gospel out there, (just as there is one that talks about a homosexual Jesus) that might show Jesus as a “community organizer” but the four Gospels certainly don’t do this. Jesus was an itinerant religious teacher who had a close group of followers and a larger group of groupies. He went into the communities dealing directly with people. Like a doctor who seeks not the healthy but the sick, he sought out the sinners to get them to reform their lives. He ridiculed the common perception that bad luck was due in part to ones own sinful life and deliberately avoided anything that would be considered “community” related.
wink*wink*
Nite!
Acorn, Acorn, Acorn, Acorn, Acorn, Acorn, do your research people. It is already changing millions of voters over to McCain/Palin.
I love how the Liberals pushed for the sibprime lending, then blocked any regulations of it. Now have the audacity to blame everyone but themselves for it. But then again, isn't that the way of the liberal?
The problem is, when the Republicans tried to regulate this out of control spending, none had the gonads to stand up to the lefty machine. THey were too worried about the fallout that would effect their next election chances. I wonder how many will be effected by this now?
We need a major overhaul of our Government and need to get rid of a lot of the people in there now.
It was of course a barb directed at Sarah Palin for her mockery of community organizers.
Now if you want to take that and twist it and turn into some blasphemous episode have at it, party on. You are who you are.
Oh, thanks so much for your edification, Julia. Perhaps you missed the article I wrote on liberal projection?
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That's true, Rita.
Sue B.© The Sting IS Worse Than the Buzz, Oct 6, 2008, 8:37am EDT "
I read your article top to bottom. My comments were in reference to the comments on your on your post not the post itself. I guess you missed that.
By the way, I meant to congratulate you. You made the list on my tally, Liberals Don't Remove Comments.
1. I tend to like the people who support the Right more. Most of them are far less hateful and vengeful than most of those on the left, at least from what I've seen on this site.
2. This site is already replete with posts bashing the Right.
3. The liberals take criticism far less graciously, and it's so much fun to watch them get exercised and drool all over themselves when they have no legitimate argument.
"What you just did, Carla, is part of the 3rd reason. When I pointed out that the reference you cited for Acorn was that of a biased organization, instead of admitting that it was, you totally ignored it and, instead, chose to change the whole focus to an entirely different issue, that although shows legitimate liability from the side you don't support, is nonetheless denial of your own side's wrongs. If that's the way you like to determine your truth, that's your business, but don't expect it to go unnoticed. "
It's the Liberal way "Links before Logic"
LOL ;-D
So you didn't answer my question about your byline.
Americans have been so starved for this type of individual, that when one comes along they DO get excited and energized. Obama is this same type of person - the person who unites, who reminds us of the really good part of who we are and what we can do if we band together.
I am not ashamed of my excitement. I don't see it as mindless idolotry. I see it as being inspired after years and years of being depressed and condescended to by the GOP powers. I find the symbol of unity and the re-establishment of intelligence and hard work together as a sign of respect for ourselves as a nation. I see it as hopeful, not discouraging or silly.
Too bad you can't, too. What I find silly is the "Joe Six-Pack" foolishness, the downgrading of our abilities and self-respect that this nation has put through over the past 8 years. I much prefer the heroes of my time...and I see the same potential in Obama and his goals and vision.
Sarah Palin instantly became a sort of Messiah figure, in her own way, for Republicans. It's funny how they yinged and yanged like that with each other - Democrats and Republicans now getting one.
I guess we see him differently, Sheryl.
It really is beneath you and rather disappointing.
Please be reminded that there are many people who see McCain as a man with experience and intelligence who also offers a vision for America's future that may not be the way you or I perceive him, nor the way he really is either, but that doesn't stop you from making jokes about him, does it?
Contiguously following your 5:43PM comment here, you quipped, in reference to McCain:
"That was then.....this is now. Can you say 'Alzheimers'?"
Sheryl O., Oct 6, 2008, 5:54pm EDT
Is your humor more palatable, generally speaking, or is it just more palatable to you and those who support your candidate?
That, to me, is indicative of the source of the vast majority of both the "conflict", and silliness surrounding the whole political realm at this time, and indeed most conflict and silliness in the world. There is an assumption which I can see most humans on the planet accept, for no good reason, that "visions" are beneficial, even required, for any sort of positive interaction between people to take place. History, however, reveals quite clearly that such "visions" are how masses of humans are manipulated into all sorts of destructive and violent behaviour.
Mr. Hitler was a master at this "vision" stuff, as were the Stalins and Maos and throughout history, who led vision inspired people to do things they simply would not have done without that dreamy crap dominating their approach to themselves and the world. People were essentially suckered into believing things which only existed in their imaginations, as if reality. As if such visions were themselves born of some magical source of truth, and to be "inspired" by them was to be noble, brave, educated, empowered, etc., etc.
Of course, the visions themselves were quite flattering to those that took them up, and that is obviously WHY they took them up. Always these "visions" include concepts of those motivated through them being noble, brave, educated, empowered, etc., etc. There is no coincidence there, says I, that's what we're really discussing; Visions of a world (future), wherein those following the "visionary" are proven right and good and wise, for trusting in the visions and visionaries that conjured them.
Mr. Obama, and Mr. McCain, and most all seeking positions of authority and power, employ this technique unashamedly, and that in itself causes many to recoil at the whole "process" of selecting from among the "visionaries" offered up as choices to lead the wee folk on the next adventure in vision based folly, which will almost surely be no more effective or benificial to actual human beings, than the others which have plagued our species all along.
It's just magical thinking, feel good stuff, but folks love magic and feeling good, so here we go again . . .
Hey, I loved the guy, but I progressed to Dragnet at some point, early on.
I'm doin' the Palin 6 thingie myself tonight, Mark-John!
I suppose it's an ongoing thing here, though. As I said above, if you look at the three reasons I give for taking a strong conservative side, it's because I do see the hatred so intense on the side of the liberal faction and I'm not as good a Christian as I should be, turning the other cheek and all, I suppose, so I feel the need to give back to them what they spew out to some conservatives who may not give it back themselves as effectively as I feel I am able.
I just had 3 or 4 comments removed from a Christian whom I felt was being very unfair to Obama and his supporters. I just have a habit of writing what I feel like writing here. I guess I feel safe from physical harm here, so I can say things that I would like to say in person, but can't.
I hope others will answer your question too.
Honest, I just "helped you out with this" . . . it's the "vision" thing.
All sorts of "right now" non-sense is made acceptable in the context the "visions" create. Haggling and defaming are "justified" by the visions ultimate fulfillment. The visionaries, and their followers, speak of the need to "right now" do various distasteful things, so as to keep the possibility of the vision eventually coming real, alive. The German's of the dark time, were led to treat some terribly, in the name of a future where terrible treatment would not occur.
The war on Iraq is an excellent example; "We" had to get rid of a bad person, by doing distasteful things to human beings, so bad things would not happen in the envisioned future. "We" just had to torture people in the "right now", to stop bad things in the future. "We" just had to accept being spied upon in the "right now", to prevent bad things in the envisioned future.
The approach the Book recommends; Don't do distasteful things to people . . is just not good enough once the visions take root. In the visions, that approach seems impotent to stop the envisioned bad things from ruining the wonderful envisioned future. So, folks are tricked into doing bad things, to prevent bad things from happening, in an imaginary future.
Without the envisioned wonderful future where bad things won't happen, there is no reason to do distasteful things to folks right now.
I appreciate that you hold "christians" to a dissimilar standard. Let that also enable you to identify them.
Stupid.
This thread.
Does that satisfy your anal side.
This so often seems like such a war. And I do not mean in the media [frankly I wish they would all kill each other] But reasoned argument or debate does not seem to happen here. And I am not choosing sides, at all. I am friends here with persons of both persuasions. My dearest friend here has left because there is no civil debate...........and he very conservative. I am gratefully neither conservative or liberal. Perhaps a mix of both.
Actually I think that generally there are many people who do not know or who could not state clearly what principles it is that they follow that makes them either a conservative or a liberal. I was shocked to find several staunch conservatives who either take a government handout or worked hard to make there case for one. One of those was my brother. SHOCKING! Others are here on Gather. I have never taken so much as unemployment. Then again I have a sister who lives life on your nickle and mine. I really do not get it.
Sue, forgive me for saying this but I am not exactly drawn to Christians here upon this site. When Christ came into my life I was given two commandments, pass judgment upon no one and live temperately in all things. Of course those were things given to me not others. Although I have generally worked my ass off at the first one I kinda winked at the second command and said: "Are you sure you are talking to me? I mean excuse me Lord....it is my personality we are talking about here...nah, you are not directing that towards me." Well, I have suffered for that.
Things are going to become bad here in the USA................very bad. We are going to have to support each other rather significantly I believe. How can we do that if we hate each other? Oddly enough with my "left-leaning" Libertarian views I actually have numerous conservative friends.
Here you go, Sue! ;)
Thanks, Mark-John, or should I say, thanks, Mark-John? :)
Interesting, if you will consider; The Right believes that the Left is merely confused. The Left believes that the Right is Evil.
If you re-read, I did not refer to "Right," politically, but to Right.
Thank you for the response.
I generally write poetry. And I work with veterans. I see such horrific suffering within these men and women who have fought for OUR freedoms, freedoms clearly being eroded as we speak. Maybe I have simply become so old that I see the vitriol [and I am not measuring it] as counterproductive.
If I have political views and they are important to me then I am going to wish to get others to think my way. I will wish t