I find it REALLY ODD that we complain about immigrants working in our country but we are willing to provide FREE MONEY with NO return on our investment (not even a measly U.N. vote when needed). Strange, how we would rather GIVE it away than allow people to actually WORK for it…..
The U.S. is the world's largest single country donor of foreign aid. Official development assistance nearly tripled from $10 billion in 2000 to $27.5 billion in 2005, including:
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Migrants send billions home
Study says Latin Americans will send a record $45 billion to relatives this year
PABLO BACHELET
The Miami Herald
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WASHINGTON- Latin American migrants in the United States will this year send a record $45 billion to support their relatives back home, according to a new study released Wednesday that sheds light on the powerful economic forces that are driving young migrants - both legal and illegal - to America's labor-hungry regions.
With 12.6 million migrants born in Latin America now sending an average of $300 every month, remittances from the United States should grow a brisk 51 percent since 2004, according to the Inter-American Development Bank, the biggest official lender to the region….
…Hispanics, said Luis Alberto Moreno, the president of the Inter-American Development Bank, are "ready and willing" to move wherever the jobs are, "contributing to the U.S. strength."
The bank commissioned the polling firm Bendixen and Associates to interview 2,511 adults about their economic realities in the United States and in Latin America. The results were cross-checked with data from the Federal Reserve and Central Banks in Latin America.
Bendixen warned that if the United States shut its door to Hispanic immigrants, as Congress is attempting to do, the U.S. economy would be "close to collapse." Bank officials pointed out that the immigration benefits were not a one-way street: about 90 percent of the income generated by Latin American-born migrants stays in the United States, or about $460 billion.
About 20 million households in Latin America receive more than $60 billion annually from remittances worldwide, a number that dwarfs what countries receive in aid from the U.S. government and development institutions like the World Bank. In fact, remittances even exceed the $40 billion private companies are expected to invest in Latin America this year, according to data by the Institute of International Finance, a private group.
"You can see in these numbers the changing map of migration in the United States," said Donald Terry, who heads the Multilateral Investment Fund, the private-lending arm of the bank that has been tracking remittance trends for seven years.
Florida was the nation's fourth biggest sender of remittances with $3.1 billion estimated for 2006, a 26 percent jump from 2004, according to the bank. However, the study excluded Cuba, which according to earlier reports obtained more than $1 billion in remittances. This is because the bank can't cross-check the remittance data to Cuba because of U.S. sanctions against the island.
California topped all states with $13.2 billion sent, a 37 percent increase over 2004.
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I keep saying this...that the immigrants contribute far more than they take from our economy, but there is a widespread belief that they represent a burden...always cited are the emergency rooms that are overburdened with illegals, how they collect welfare, unemployment, and get free schooling at taxpayer expense.
Most of this is just anti-immigrant propaganda, I think, but I haven't researched it.
May I suggest that you take this on as a project, and refute these oft-repeated claims regarding the burdens that immigrants lay on the rest of us.
Facts and numbers if possible. Let's put it to rest once and for all.
Haha...I know better. Even if you proved conclusively that they contribute hugely to our economy, the same people would ignore everything you said and go on with their diatribes.
It's like my continuing struggle against the people who claim this is a "Christian Nation" founded by a bunch of devout Christians. My fingers are sore from all the articles and comments I have written refuting this monstrous myth. No matter. I see it repeated every day by people who have decided to believe it and do not want to be confused by facts.
You face the same opponent. It's called ignorance, sometimes WILLFUL ignorance.
I think this takes looking past the fear and shock that some of us have suffered since "May Day." Many millions of us assumed they were legal or simply didn't think about it at all.
It's great political rhetoric to make a nation scorn an entire population. We don't even realize the spin that is thrown at us most of the time.
Bert: No matter what is said - even the FACTS that are consistently leveled at those who have no clue - very little gets thru to some. HOWEVER, a few have calmed enough lately to have some really interesting debates and I can sense that they are thinking about the issues - not just relying on anything they can find to support the one article they read lately.
TO EVERYONE ELSE: So, on we go. These are people - they deserve our time because they are people.
If they were from Africa, dying of AIDS - they would still deserve our time. If they were from Ireland or Germany or Spain, they would deserve our time.
These are workers - NOT terrorists.
Not all immigrants are created equal. Some arrive to work - others to commit crimes. We have the technology and manpower to weed them out - we just have to decide to use it.
It's just too risky to allow the border to remain open. It's stupid to mass deport and what's more - it will never happen because this group has found a place in our workplaces, our schools and churches.
The one thing that would benefit the people of this country more than anything is to realize what we stand for and who we are. It isn't just words on paper - it is what makes this nation run - it is fuel. It is more important to our future than oil could ever be.
We MUST shut down our borders. We MUST protect ourselves - we are hated by more than a few countries and coveted by even more.
We can only do that when we realize which countries benefit us and which do not. Which people are here to contribute and who is not. We simply CANNOT survive without recognizing what drives our economy. It may be horrible to some - it may seem extreme - but it is a FACT.
WHY has our economy remained stable during a bloody and expensive four-year war with Iraq? WHY? WHY is it we can blow billions and billions of dollars overseas and not suffer economically - in fact, we are solid as a rock according to the DOW.
THINK.....
Bert, I think you're right on target as usual. Some facts are just too real to be real when we've been brainwashed by hopeful thinking and a nationwide will to drown out truth for ulterior agenda. BTW, I'm trying to get to your "Religon on Welfare," I'm just swamped at the moment. I think the word you're trying to get out is equally important and you present it well. I wish more would listen. (Sorry for the TJ, Jackie!)
Janet! What channel? When? I would love, love, love to see the ramifications played out as tho they were in real time. Nothing brings it home the way these mocumentaries do. Did you see the one about the oil last year, right before Katrina? WOW!
Even as we lose faith in government, we somehow exclude those with another, similar agenda...sigh...if we don't wake up soon - the embarrassing corrupt nature of our nation will only become worse.
Illegal immigration is not new - using it as a scare tactic is.
Hey Debbie: I think we should either recap/republish at some point or provide links to existing articles. We've got some "newbies."
I just figured that any terrorist with enough money for a cell phone would come in on a plane...
One more thought on the money that goes 'home' from immigrants, I imagine that that money is a more effiecient way of improving peoples live in other countries since it goes directly to those who need it (less some cost to money transfers). Kind of like those personal loans that just got some forward thinking man a Nobel prize...
You generalized about the amounts of money that was kept here and that amount that was sent out of the country. How is that relevant to weather an individual is here legally or illegally? Oh never mind it isn't relevant at all. If they sneaked in and don't have documents it shows they have so little regard for our country that they are willing to make their very first act in this country one that is breaking the law. That is the only issue.
Jackie, those numbers are AMAZING. But like someone (maybe you) said, most people don't want their happy realities confused with pesky facts.
I worked on the Mexican border for years and dealt with literally tens of thousands of illegal aliens as they made their way back to their home countries (mainly Mexico). Illegal aliens are the most arrogant and despicable individuals in the world. They portray nothing but contempt for the United States and the laws of this country. They mock our values, gloat at our stupidity for allowing them to enter this country at will to plunder our social systems and sneer at our laws.
They take billions of dollars out of this country, much of it unclaimed as income, without paying the proper taxes on that income. Many of them also steal thousands of motor vehicles from American citizens to take back to their home countries when they go home for vacations or Christmas (What.........did you expect they'd spend the money to fly home?). I suggest you quit reading all those left-wing, pro-illegal alien activist blogs and get some real statistics to back up your claims.
"Grab your pen. Which figure are you going to write down? Will it be $1,522.50 to deport, or $900 to support, tighten the borders, and end the problem in a way that will actually benefit our country over the long haul?"
I've done the numbers.
Part 1: The Economic Sense of Wholesale Deportation
Interesting analysis. Based on what you said then the rest of us should not be here in this country then because we were all somehow has some relationships with immigrants (whether we are a direct immigrant or descendent of immigrants) and we should leave since we will be consuming a lot more on resources then what we produces.
BTW, heritage foundation is one of the foundation that's a true anti-immigrant foundation. Everything i heard quoted from this foundation were all has that anti-immigrants sentiment tone to it. I guess based on what they said, unless you are white, you are not welcome in this country. Very interesting.
Also why does it matter whether this company was founded by immigrants or American. What's your definition of American anyway. Seems to me the two guys who cofounded intel, Robert Noyce and William E. Moore, two good old wholesome, American boys and they can only be good old wholesome, American Boys because they are white? What is your definition of a true good old boys American anyway?
Please enlighten us?
Unless you are native American, I believe your ancestors were also immigrants, correct? Am I missing something?
Your argument holds no merit. The numbers are out. The amount immigrants send home will total 45 million. The amount that stays in the U.S. 486-500 million.
The fastest growing area of employment for CITIZENS: Healthcare by a landslide - 40% of ALL new job creation. hmmmm.....how ironic is that considering our hospitals are SUFFERING so DREADFULLY?????
Really, duane. Remove those rose-colored glasses. Step away and look at the FACTS.
There aren't enough of us to do the necessary entry-level labor.
They were allowed to come in - we unenforced legislation to allow them here - because they are NEEDED.
We are only upset now because we see just how many are here - and we're angry, confused and scared.
Illegal immigration has been a huge boon to our society - we could have done it right - we chose not to.
They DO contribute and once they are given permission to remain - this will become a non-issue.
(Please note 5 nobel laureates signatures below, along with 45 other noted economists. References are included with the original article.)
Dear President George W. Bush and All Members of Congress:
People from around the world are drawn to America for its promise of freedom and opportunity. That promise has been fulfilled for the tens of millions of immigrants who came here in the twentieth century.
Throughout our history as an immigrant nation, those who were already here have worried about the impact of newcomers. Yet, over time, immigrants have become part of a richer America, richer both economically and culturally. The current debate over immigration is a healthy part of a democratic society, but as economists and other social scientists we are concerned that some of the fundamental economics of immigration are too often obscured by misguided commentary.
Overall, immigration has been a net gain for American citizens, though a modest one in proportion to the size of our 13 trillion-dollar economy.
Immigrants do not take American jobs. The American economy can create as many jobs as there are workers willing to work so long as labor markets remain free, flexible and open to all workers on an equal basis.
In recent decades, immigration of low-skilled workers may have lowered the wages of domestic low-skilled workers, but the effect is likely to have been small, with estimates of wage reductions for high-school dropouts ranging from eight percent to as little as zero percent.
While a small percentage of native-born Americans may be harmed by immigration, vastly more Americans benefit from the contributions that immigrants make to our economy, including lower consumer prices. As with trade in goods and services, the gains from immigration outweigh the losses. The effect of all immigration on low-skilled workers is very likely positive as many immigrants bring skills, capital and entrepreneurship to the American economy.
Legitimate concerns about the impact of immigration on the poorest Americans should not be addressed by penalizing even poorer immigrants. Instead, we should promote policies, such as improving our education system, that enable Americans to be more productive with high-wage skills.
We must not forget that the gains to immigrants coming to the United States are immense. Immigration is the greatest anti-poverty program ever devised. The American dream is a reality for many immigrants who not only increase their own living standards but who also send billions of dollars of their money back to their families in their home countries—a form of truly effective foreign aid.
America is a generous and open country and these qualities make America a beacon to the world. We should not let exaggerated fears dim that beacon.
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Tony, please refrain from painting me with a brush that has not been dipped into my "color" just yet. I do make the distinction. If you had really read any of my work, you would know that. My entire stance on the issue is based on finding solutions that could work in the real world. I have no interest in declaring the argument null and void on the pat, trite, and unhelpful rhetoric tossed about on both sides. I do my homework before I speak. So many of my comments contain source references because I'm after facts and answers, not opinon handed down by political talking heads who call themselves newscasters in 5 minute sound bites.
If you have neither to contribute, I have very little use for your commentary.
The illegal supporters have no real facts/stats to support their points. Therefore, they pull out the racist and xenophobe cards. They will search for one article---against the thousands indicating the opposite---that supports their point of view. They are just getting nervous--as they know that cities like Hazleton, PA; Escondido, California; and Phoenix, Arizona, etc.--are just the beginning of their end.
If they want to do the illegals a favor, they should be helping them to pack and make their moving arrangements. Soon, they will have no place to live or work--and no access to the social benefit freebies. They need to go to Mexico to fight for these people in their own country--where they belong.
The illegals have the right to be treated fairly and humanely until they are deported.
It seems that the only time that you have a problem with someone posting articles/information from sources--is when it is not you, and when it does not support the illegal invader agenda.
Maybe you would be doing a lot better with your free time if you began packing, or started to help your illegal brothers and sisters to pack and make their moving plans.
I think that we all understand why you--and the other illegals and illegal supporters--are nervous and getting very worried. However, living with your delusional beliefs is not going to help.
Please come in from left field. I haven't seen you cite a single source or study in any commentary I've ever read by you. Debate is a good thing. I heartily enjoy it. Tossing your opinion around, c/p chain mails from others, making assumptions based on no real data and resorting to name calling do not constitute debate.
And for the final time, what makes you think I am going anywhere, that anyone in my family is going anywhere or anyone I KNOW is going anywhere? You know what they say about assumptions? It's working on you. (Check with Porgie T., he'll tell you why I'm not packing and am not worried in the least!)
Anytime that I include an article/information from another source, I definitely cite my source and include the link. You can easily go back and look at every example of my posts. Actually, I would love it if you would post just one example where I did not do so.
You made very many points that are true. For example, you are correct--the protests woke up a lot of US citizens and definitely turned the majority against the illegals. This will not be changed, as the majority of legal US citizens feel that this was definitely a true reflection of their attitudes, loyalties, and goals.
Source for "majority?"
Also, polls have indicated that the majority of US citizens have indicated that they do not want amnesty/citizenship for these people. They want the 14th Amendment revised and applied properly. They want our borders closed/secured. It seems that the citizens are willing to deal with whatever pain it takes to get them out of our country!!
Source of "polls?"
However, the majority of US citizens do not want the illegals currently here to receive amnesty/citizenship.
Source of "majority?" (Especially since this and the packing thing seem to be used verbatim throughout your comments.)
I have read at least 3 articles stating that Castro and Chavez have been helping to assist with fraudulent documents, IDs. They are doing this to help the illegals to invade our nation, and also to help terrorists to easily be able to enter our country as well.
Citation for "3 articles?"
I have read at least 5 articles indicating that there is now a link/union of MS-13/Mexican mafia and cartels and radical/terrorist Muslims. They use the recent, numerous beheadings as proof. They admire the Muslim terrorists and their methods of dealing with those that get in their way.
Citation for "5 articles?"
They are trying to say that the illegal drug smuggler had over $650,000 worth of drugs, but no weapon. Yeah, right. They have stated that them not reporting the shooting was always, normally handled with a slap on the wrist. They are using these agents as appeasement to the Mexican government. The illegal was given immunity against all charges for testifying against the agents. In addition, he has filed a $5 million lawsuit against the US government. Also, finally, a few days before their sentencing hearing--three jurors came forward and testified that they were coerced into giving a guilty plea--even though they did not think that they were guilty. This alone should have at least been the cause of a mistrial and/or granted them the opportunity for a new trial.
Who is "they" and where did you get this information?
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Same question. Where is your information coming from? You've listed several links, but haven't really said where you got what. Or did you just copy the entire article, oops, I mean comment, from somewhere else?
If a candidate mentions comprehensive immigration reform and/or support for a guest worker program--it will mean amnesty/citizenship.
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We will be turned into a third world country-- the economy and wages will be depressed forever, and our resources/social services/schools/healthcare systems will become over-extended failures. US citizens will face increased problems in trying to obtain decent jobs. In addition, your taxes will increase--as the illegals will be eligible for MORE social benefits (welfare, food stamps, WIC, low-income housing, etc.)--once they receive citizenship!!!
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Source for this "double meaning?"
All of this will happen according to whom?
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I could go on with these as long as you have comments, but I think that's enough of a threadjack for one night.
Would you like direct links?
BRENDA"-Anytime that I include an article/information from another source, I definitely cite my source and include the link. You can easily go back and look at every example of my posts. Actually, I would love it if you would post just one example where I did not do so.
Well thats a horse of a different color. As much as I am anti illegal alien I am pro immigration. While that may seem an anomaly to some but it makes perfect sense to me.
While we should not heap disdain upon the heads of children we equally should not ignore the crimes of their parents. There must be an accounting for their crime. There must be an equitable solution. We are a nation of laws and those laws must be applied equally to all. The alternative is anarchy and that is not acceptable.
I dont have the answer. I wish I did. For me its not an issue of race its an issue of the law. Law is what maintains our liberty. When we decide that the law is no longer convenient and should be set aside we open the door for any number of chaotic forces to eat away at those liberties.
BTW, I do not think I will live to see 215 million of us "outnumbered." "They've" only got 20 million now, growing by a few million a year (at highest estimates from FAIR.) I'm going to be too senile to care, if I'm still here 70 or so odd years from now. And, maybe my glasses are rose colored, but I think we'll either cease to exist or come up with a solution long before then.
The letter I gave you may paint a somewhat rosy picture. But it does come down on the side of economic benefit, albeit a small and limited one. There are others who come down more firmly on either side. I chose one that presented much of both.
I will happily look up George Borjas, first chance. Thank you for pointing me in that direction.
Regardless of our mutual banter, we MUST get control of the border. We MUST stem the tide of illegals entering this country for ANY purpose. We MUST deal with the economic drain AND the economic ramifications to our dependent industries. We MUST stop our slide into obsolescense by exporting our manufacturing, hi tech, and skilled jobs and importing all of the goods that come from cheap labor pools elsewhere. (If we don't import the cheap labor, our companies go find it elsewhere. )We're going to be left with service positions, PERIOD if we don't figure this out.
Above all, we MUST stop spouting crap given to us by politicians posing as newsman and find some REAL solutions.
Brandon, you are so intent on drawing a line between us, you refuse to see that our ideology is relatove. We differ on solutions, but not on what the issue IS. I'm no more leftist than you are. It's a matter of coming at Mr. Rooster from beak and from talons. Take up either sharp point you wish. The meat is still in the middle.
I find it almost funny....you must agree that illegal immigrants are less than human to be accurate these days....What truck did ya'll fall off of, anyway?
I have it on good authority that many who consider themselves "anti" think Dobbs gives the issue a black eye. The politicians and others like them who vomit and twist issues, frightening people and justifying discriminatory behavior also vilify the anti stance. In reality those radical opinions are just as preposterous as Atzlan - bottom line is, the majority of citizens do not feel that way about human beings, on either side of the spectrum.
Most level-headed citizens who are not prejudiced or have other underlying psychological barriers when discussing other races and cultures, see the need for control in this country. We see the need for honesty and safety and fairness - for everyone.
The question is: Can we achieve that and if so, how?
It is no longer about whether they are here. It is no longer about where they come from. It is no longer about what they contribute. We know all that. It is about creating a country that continues to be fueled by new Americans while balancing safety and control. And THAT can't be accomplished by attacking illegal immigrants. The only way THAT can be accomplished is by communicating with politicians and groups aligned with moral and fiscal responsibility, participating in polls and concentrating on a solution.
We learn more almost every day. The trick is to LEARN, whether you like the facts or not. Do not rely on La Raza, Aztlan or FAIR or ALIPAC....rely on studies whose very intellectual reputation is at stake. Rely on facts from the most trusted, reputable think tanks in existence today. Do not base our future on some new organization with a decidedly hard right or left viewpoint - that's just insane. It's like electing an 18 year old for President of the U.S.
Bendixon didn't reveal the status or location percentages of their 2,511 person sample. The sample itself represents only 1.9 -4 or less than 2 tenths of one percent of the target group. Not a very scientific survey considering the lack of pertinent data and the low sample percentage.
I'm sorry but you don't get to use irrelevant data to support an argument just because you say so. I would like to peruse those economic models myself but I have yet to see one made available from either side of the argument. Believe me I have looked for it. Those guys dont want to give up the real numbers for some reason.
Even the letter you present states that poorer US citizens will and have suffered depressed wages and then it writes them off as if they are irrelevant. Its not xenophobia to stand up for law and order. It is our responsibility and right.
Bert,
While its true that the gentlemen that actually were involve with the declaration of independence were of diverse religious conviction. It would be a stretch to say the vast majority of the people they represented were not christians.
I think the law and order aspect of this is very important. I, in no way, endorse an amnesty program. (BTDT and we're right back where we started.) However it is quite clear that the current system of law and order is flawed. It isn't working out for us and it isn't working out for them. There has to be a better way. I think it's high time we reviewed our laws and our order and came up with a way to get our bases covered by anyone who wishes to cover them, legally.
In my opinion, and I make no bones about that, we're going to have to come up with a guest worker program. This will accomplish several goals as I've been slowly pointing out through my series, issue by issue, along with legal and systemic reform.
Those who do not wish to become citizens but wish to work here, may. Those who wish to stay can use the channels we've always had. The wage base comes up because those living in fear will no longer be afraid to demand it. We control the border. We control the flow. We hire in needed sectors, sector by sector according to employer demand. Above all of these, however, security is my biggest concern, I think and removing the fear and hiding aspect of living for these folks would allow us to improve that greatly too. It's the only option I have seen, (and no I'm not fond of Bush's plan. Stay tuned for my own in my series.) that accomodates the legality, security and economics that render us a divided nation today.
I think the economic impact to the U.S. would be minimal with a <3 % decrease in the gdp spending. From a real money point of view. But what about the other side of the fence? What if all at once the 20 billion dollars in gdp spending power ended in Mexico? Think of what that would mean. Mexico has always been one stumble from socialism. It's not a big fall from socialism to a dictatorship.
In the long term it may be cheaper to keep her. I mean most impovershed countries lean toward socialism and a greater number are either economic protectorates of a larger wealthier country or flat out dictatorships.
Of course this is a disconnected dot. I'm not exactly sure if its a real potential issue or if my natural paranoia is coming to the surface. I must be looking into this.
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/publicop.html#amnesty
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John Tanton's Anti-Immigration Groups
John Tanton, who started the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and also founded the Center for Immigration Studies headed by Mark Kirkorian, wrote a memo on July 11, 1986 stating, "To expand our fund-raising machine, we created the Center for Immigration Studies last year. We need to get CIS fully funded and entrenched as a major Washington think-tank, one that can venture into issues which FAIR is not yet ready to raise."
Tanton, on his own Web site, says that he helped to start other anti-immigration organizations, such as Roy Beck's NumbersUSA. "Other organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and NumbersUSA, both of which I helped to start, but on whose boards I do not serve, have also made stellar contributions to the immigration reform debate." (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/puppeteer.html) Also on his Web site, Tanton lists the various groups he funds under U.S., Inc., which includes Beck's NumbersUSA. (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/usdesc.html)
Tanton has founded and financed other anti-immigration groups as well. He sits on the advisory board of American Patrol, now also American Border Patrol. (New Times Los Angeles, BeelzeBubba, May 7, 1998; The Tallahassee Democrat, Anti-immigrant groups: simple answers for simple minds, July 13, 2003)
"CIS is part of an anti-immigration syndicate founded by John Tanton, a retired ophthalmologist from Michigan who also founded NumbersUSA and the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and also funds American Patrol - the group that sends vigilantes to the southern border to capture illegal immigrants who sneak in." (The Denver Post, Facts expose 'illegal on welfare' myth, January 16, 2004)