Obama care vs. Christian Health Care

And this has to do what with Obama's healthcare plan?

BTW Carol I have been meaning to ask you since you are soooo against the government are you refusing your Social Security and Medicare?

I worked and paid into my social security, but do have my own healthcare. I couldn't survive on the poorly run Medicare. And Lori, you're suffering from redundancy, as you've asked this before.

Ask yourself this Lori F. Is Medicare bankrupt? Is Social Security bankrupt? And how effective is the other government run programs, are they efficient? Why would anyone in their right mind believe that government run healthcare would be any better?

Neither Medicare or Social Security is bankrupt. Medicare has an insolvency problem that can be cured: Social Security is solvent for another 30 years.

Use your head for something other than an echo chamber occaisionally.

Carol but you were paid BY the government.

Medicare isnt bankrupt it is actually run better and more efficient than a private insurance company.

Wow, Ali and Lori, you believe in the Tooth Fairy too, I'll bet.

Marilyn I know you are factually challenged but serioulsy have someone interpret a Newsweek article for you.

So if you're not a Christian, you're SOL?

What's your point here?

You did something commendable. Congratulations.

My point is I have been accused of not being Christian because I don't support socialized medicine.

Your wisdom shines brightly in a dark and fallen world, friend!

Yes it does, her wisdom shines brightly.

Huh?

You really think all welfare should come from private citizens? It is super when people add to welfare on their own, and they do and it isn't just a religious thing. But without government doing it the help would be spotty, fickle, and most people needing it would starve (like how it was before government welfare).

And that's "christian" ??? It's cruel because the result would be horrible to so many of the needy people. The streets would have a lot of beggars on them.

Carol's story is nice, but what does it have to do with helping a Nation's worth of needy people?

I commend you for what you did, because I don't think any health care given by a government would have done that, they would have instutionalized (sp) the child and be done with it, if not worse.

I am not for socialized medicine, I don't think "Christian Care" would be a good name for a health care program.

If what I read where non profit insurance comes into play, I think we could actually have a winning idea.

If not that I think the health care programs should very gradually be turned over to the states since Federal is not doing a good job of it.
Mooch

She was on her way to be institutionalized when I intercepted her.

Good post. Christian care works best. Plus it would stop people taking advantage of the healthcare system.

Not a damn thing since I am not Christain. But I did hold a dying child in my arms....does that count?

Yes, that's counts.

Carol I have in the past brought into my home several kids who were for one reason or another homeless. I was not paid these teens were all over 16 and therefore not forced to stay at home . I feed them and loved them and they were of many colors and of many backgrounds.
Oh and If you as a Christian can not embrace a non- Christian then your a liar !

Oh and all but one ( for health reason ) is a productive and well standing adult with families and a job Including my birth children

Thanks Vivian. I believe everyone should share in their own way, not the government's way.

Obviously everyone is NOT going to pay his or her own way, so if that is the case (which it appears as if it is), I want MY way to be paid! I'm sick of working hard and paying taxes so that everyone around me can get free food, free medicaid and pay no taxes. If we're going to do healthcare, then let's do it for EVERYONE!

However, it seems as if once again we'll be paying for people w/out healthcare to have it while still paying our OWN atronomical healthcare dues, and that, is NOT okay to me! If they're going to do it, then I want them to do it right!

That's exactly the point, Rachel. In other countries EVERYONE pays 50% of their income for health care - whether they're working or on pension. They also pay high sales taxes and some of that goes toward health care. If there was anyone willing to say that every individual would pay for government controlled health care, I would think they were serious. But it cannot be done with only half of the US citizens even paying any taxes.

The few who need health care should be added to Medicaid. Yes, that will cost us, but not as much as completing re-doing our entire health care system.

50% of their income huh? Dont have anything to back that up do you?

My guess would be no.

Well obviously then the christians aren't enough to save the world. There's still a health care problem - and other welfare problems. People are still needy. So we need something bigger than the christians. We need a government.

We need a government.


We? you got a mouse in your pocket?

PETER YOU NEED JESUS CHRIST

Jesus lived in a world with a government, too. Bummer it was the Romans, but, hey, that was a while ago.

I think you missed the whole point of her post, Bryan.

Maybe I miss read yours Bryan.

A good Christian never brags about what she has done for others. It is expected of her.
Even though I have stepped away from our believes, that is something I still do believe.
Matthew 6 1-8
take care not to perform righteous deeds in order that people may see them; otherwise you will have no heavenly recompense from your heavenly Father. When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets to win the praise of others. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that almsgiving may be secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.

There's a difference between bragging and being forced to prove that you're not good enough.

Abigal what is this religious affiliation: unknown on your profile?

There's a difference between bragging and being forced to prove that you're not good enough.


That's for sure . We have 2 in this thread that do not understand.

Abigal grew up Amish.

if you talk the talk you should walk the walk....

good for you......

That's right Jack

Carol, what you did is wonderful.

But one does not have to be a Christian to do it.
I know others who have taken in kids with difficulties, and they did it out of love and common decency...

There is something seriously wrong with how medicine is viewed in these United States...

If there is cause for a British aid worker providing poor Americans with free health care then there is a serious, unadressed problem in the system.

No system of organized health care that I know of is perfect. But at least there is one. And if you went to Germany or Great Britain or Sweden, and if, God forbid, something happened to you, you would receive care. You might have to pay a little, but it would not in any way be like what someone using Emergency Room services in the US has to pay:
$1,200 for an Xray and 5 minutes of the doctor's time (Celebration Health, Florida, January 2008).
This was not some special price for a tourist, this was the normal fee.

We had friends from the US in Germany, and one of them had a heart attack. It happens.
We took him to the hospital, they had him in Intensive Care for 5 days, put in a stent, 2 more days in a regular room, to make sure all was well and the medication that was prescribed was doing its job, and then we took him home. 2 Days later he flew back to the States.
Total cost? Euro 5000, about $6,500 then.
When I asked why, I was told "He told us he has no health insurance, so we charged a flat fee equal to what the least paying health insurance would pay us for it."

Care to inquire what it would cost to have the same amount of care in an American hospital?

What Obama is proposing is not perfect. But it is a start. Must we go without forever just because there is no perfect plan?

I am not for Obama's health care reform. But when you listen to him talk. Like he did here in Montana this week. He makes it sound so good. I think he could sell a swimming suite to an Eskamo. He is the best salesman I have ever heard

That he definantly is, Deloris...

Indeed. He should be a salesman. Very smooth talker.

Wonder if he could sell a clue to Marilyn?

Or a dictionary to Deloris.

I am sorry I got a little off track. don't think being Christen is the question here. It is just being a desent person. helping some one in need. Or taking a child off of the street. Because it is the right thing to do.

Carol, you've given an EXCELLENT example of Christianity caring vs the world's lack of, for folks to think about! Some will, some won't, as despite ANY examples or truth provided them, they jump to readily reject, deny and then proceed to attempt to tear apart..Sad indeed.... Those of us who still have a "functioning" brain, and btw, there's not a lot of us left in this evil age, know exactly the comparison you were making and also know full well that you were NOT blowing your own horn, as they wish and cite that you were.. lol... Your example merely offended their nearly non existant concience.. Now that's quite an accomplishment for the Lord and another death blow to the enemy! BRAVO my friend! Just let the chips fall where they may.... Time will prove beyond a shadow of any's doubts exactly what you and many others are trying to warn folks about...

lol..

thanks for sharing

cAROL IS NOT BOASTING. Thank you Carol for a compassionate heart. Back before people wanted everything for what they think is nothing guess what? Families took care of families and if there were widows or orphaned child the church took care of them Lets go back to the basics of life. Let's go back to compassion for our neighbors and for our nation.

Thank you, Randi for understanding.