Several weeks ago there were rumors floating around the Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore not a natural born citizen. In an effort to dispel the rumors, left wing blogger Kos obtained a copy of Obama's "Certification of Live Birth", later posted on Obama's Fight The Smears website, and declared the rumors "debunked". Unfortunately for Obama, the release of this certification raised more questions than it answered.
Polarik at Townhall raised some of these issues last week, including:
- Use of a second generation reproduction of the seal of the State of Hawaii at the top
- Blacking out of the Certificate number in an attempt to prevent it from being traced
- Absence of any official signature or seal which typically appear on such documents
- Crudely arranged borders inconsistent with a professionally produced official document
- The use of an identical typeface for all text items on the page.
I had neglted to write about this at the time because I generally try and avoid being involved in rumor spreading whenever possible. After further research however, it appears that Polarik has proven rumors of this being a falsified document may actually be true. He has obtained a certified Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii and compared it to the one the Obama campaign released, and it does indeed appear that Obama's was a fake.
The most noticable difference between the two documents is also the most important, and that is the absence of the embossed seal. Israel Insider recently spoke with Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health who stated "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
The question over Obama's place of brith is an important one, because if the rumors of him being born overseas are true, he would not be elligible to hold the office of the Presidency.
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Comments: 104
I am not an Obama supporter (undecided, in fact) but this is just silly stuff put out there by people who can't be bothered to write a cogent argument against a candidate.
Based on just your icon and sources, I'm guessing that you have clear philosophical differences with the man, so write about one of those. I'd rather people write articles in favor of their candidate, but if you feel that you must write anti-Obama articles for some reason, please base them on his policies, approach, advisers or fashion sense (oh wait, not that last) but not this tripe. sheesh!
How do you prove that something "may actually be true"? You don't need proof for that. If there's none against it, it may actually be true. It appears that I have proven that the person three comments above me (picked completely at random) may actually be Britney Spears.
Now, back to the issue of people's birth certificates--isn't the way to verify those to contact the issuing authority? Do you think the Democratic Party hasn't done that?
I heard the same rumors,Sandy, and a quick examination of the evidence indicated that the rumor was true.
To determine if this was an example of sliming, I am asking Gather for a declaration that articles posted on this site are factual and reasonable.
It has not been their policy to supply these guarantees.
Quick - warn everyone!
... Wait, maybe it's Ryan Seacrest.
come on, believers: let's all offer up prayer to Tim Russert and George Carlin. I'm "certain" they'll help us.
As I fall back I also phoned Dan Rather. Left voice mail. He's been looking for those National Guard files.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
I don't want to spread rumours either . . . but not ONE shred of proof has been shown to me to discount this! LoL!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle I <~~~~~
I'm thinking Pulitzer prize here.
How asinine is this?
For that matter, I have never seen proof that those rumors about his Bohemian Grove activities never happened either.
*I will use any opportunity to quote Ferris Buellers Day Off*
My children were all born within 5 miles of each other here in Texas. My daughter and my son's birth certificates (11 years apart) look nothing alike.
Just sayin'. None of what's here seems even vaguely conclusive.
You have infuriated the koolaid crowd by blaspheming their messiah. See how they came out from under the rocks to heap abuse on your article. How dare you question Obama on anything. He would NEVER lie...would he?
go to theobamafile.com
I was FASCINATED that Mark Walsh of the Democratic National Committee could be SO anti-Democrat. The man is HIGH in the Democratic party after all. But a quick check of the address reveals something entirely different! (I know . . . shocker, more GOP lies) . . . the address belongs to Greg Watson. Gotta wonder why the VP of AOL lives in Greg's house, eh? Anyway, Greg is the guy behind the lies. Way to prove the filthy tactics everyone. For what it's worth (yet again), Obama has never . . . not for ONE day . . . been Muslim. Frankly, I couldn't care less if he HAD been . . . he's against toture and war. HAHAHAHahahahaaa . . . fricken' PATHETIC!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
You have infuriated the koolaid crowd by blaspheming their messiah. See how they came out from under the rocks to heap abuse on your article. How dare you question Obama on anything. He would NEVER lie...would he?
Don B., Jun 25, 2008, 11:04pm EDT
Yup. Lord knows the right never, ever tries to defend their candidate. Noooo. Never. Nope. It's just those reactionary Lefties. Damn fools.
*watch your shoes - the sarcasm is just dripping off this comment*
Nick K > WHAT you said, sir!
Roy Hilbinger > Yup, these two ducks ARE quacks.
I read Kate C's comment with interest and agree with her. She is one smart lady in general and very smart when it comes to this type of thing.
Charles you should be ashamed of doing this article.
You lost any credability that you would ever have had.
Obviously, Obama can choose to be whatever religion he wants to be, but HE DOES HAVE A MUSLIM BACKGROUND.
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Dumbasses. I win again!
Even if he was Muslim, it wouldn't matter. What matters r his policies....
Guess we'll see in November.
Wait! He HAD some? Really?
"...response to my 'he's a muslim' comment :) (oh, and really, he is...)"
LMAO ! ! ! Shocker. It LOOKS like you claimed (and I quote) . . . "He's a Muslim" and followed that with an "Oh, he really is..." comment!
So . . . when your lying websource is revealed and you're publicly bitch slapped for being yourself . . . you respond with "he does have a Muslim background" and "dumbasses. i win again"! Oh Dear GOD can it get more pathetic? Please, get your lips back, dust off those knee pads and stand up again . . . how much can you spineless wimps take before you get the liplock off the booshie tushie? Yeah . . . he's heard of Muslims . . . to bad the Deserter-in-Chief hasn't!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
*please see footnote from my previous post*
Exactly... who cares. I won't be votting for him because he is a moonbat liberal.... but I do enjoy watching the libs squirm when you mention that his FAMILY is MOSTLY MUSLIM and that his middle name is definitely MUSLIM. Barack Hussein Obama! Say it with me!
Clearly, I win.
"And the "dumbass" comment really drives it home!"
Yeah... I only respond in kind schmuck. Read the previous posts asshole.
Being the better person is how I roll. You have my apologies.
"Clearly, I win."
Yes, clearly you win at being the most delusional crack-smoking neocon nutcase in the room.
"That's how I roll. "
You roll like an idiot.
So, what about Obama's birth certificate? I want to know more. I want to explore every insane angle we can find on this guy... my friends, please visit theobamafile.com.
http://www.fraudfactor.com/ff2kelectionfraud.html
" he was in bed with Enron,"
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=21
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/enron_bush.htm
" he was inside the 911 job,"
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
" Iraq war was planned by 'neocons' in the 90's and acted upon with lies,"
http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200709/20070910_PNAC_Revisited_Iraq.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
"then George Bush don't like black people,"
There's no proof of this.
" Bush and his cronies need to be tried for war crimes,"
http://www.bushcommission.org/
" killing the constitution,"
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=20723
Bush caused oil to go up and all his buddies are getting rich
When he stole office, oil was less than $30/barrel. It's increased over 4 times since.
Oh, and all of his buddies are, coincidentally, in the oil business. Go figure.
"THE SAME OLD CRAP over and over and always without substance"
Huge difference, though...the crap about Obama never seems to be backed by documented proof.
"Oh Clark, when you talk so tough"
Billy boy. Your mommy is calling you.
Understatement of the decade. :)
IF Obama'a Father was a Muslim; if he was the Father of Barack; it makes no difference where he was borne. According to Muslim Law, he was borne a Muslim. IF he was borne a Muslim, he is a Muslim. This according Islam, not according to me. IF he WAS a Muslim, and converted to Christianity, he is now a Christian. AND, an APOSTATE. You ARE aware of the dictates of Shari'a Law, where the fate of an Apostate is concerned, aren't you???
To take it just a step further; can we all agree that there does exist a percentage of the Islamic "religion" that could be considered "radical?" Can we not also agree, that, among some of these Radicals, there is a "Duty," according to Islamic sari'a Law??? Any one care to hazard a guess as to what that "duty" might be?
I know what you mean though; my birth father was Catholic. Now since I have never been inside a Catholic church, have never studied their doctrines or follow their message and don't see the Pope as holy but was "born" Catholic, I guess that makes me a Catholic. Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me.
I actually heard that he was an alien from the planet Ork and his real name is Mork and that he is going to pick Jor-el as his running mate. Clark when that happens you will be a very proud man that your daddy is going to be the second in command of this whole country!! ;-)
Mark, are you saying that you are now a full believer in the Koran and the teachings of Islam? Wow, what a turn of events that is!!!!
Peace!
Of course. Every reasonable person sees how ridiculous this is. Do you honestly think they just let anyone run for office without checking these things first? Remember when Cheney used an address in a state that wasn't really his . . . oh wait. What did happen there? Somebody checked it out and let him run. And when people cried that Hillary Clinton had no right to run in New York? I think somebody probably checked that out, without needing our advice.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~