She needs to apologize! And zip her pie hole.

I agree, she needs to apologize, and do it PUBLICLY!

Senator Boxer's comment, taken in context, was aimed at pointing out the Bush administration's disregard of the soldiers in that we have not armed them correctly, sent guns that went missing and ended up in the hands of terrorists, plus we didn't have a strategy to secure the country in 2003, nor do we now.

And the Administration's commitment to the war? Hmmm....I think the Bush's have 2 daughters of military age.... And they are? Oh yes, "vacationing!" And Bush has raised taxes how many times so that the wealthy could give something to the war effort? Oh yes, none! In fact, taxes have been cut, with 90% of the tax benefit of cuts going to the upper 1% of the wealthy.

So....the commitment of the wealthy and the administration. Zero.

If I were a senator, I'd be a bit peeved about the commitment they have made too.

The comment was completely valid and entirely within the context of the discussion. The apologies need to come from this vile administration that has lied and manipulated this country into an illegal, unnecessary war, thus causing the needless deaths of over 3,000 Americans and countless innocent Iraqi's.

It seems rather unlikely that, had ANYONE in the filthy white house had their family member's lives invested in this diseased debacle, it would've been unfurled in the first place.

The only thing that this corrupt administration has invested in this montrous disaster is their political legacies, which won't matter one bit to them as they're reaping the financial rewards of their charade in the coming decades.

"they talk a good game about race, and play the race card against any republican/conservative"

What exactly does race have to do with the fact that she's has never had a child? Are you suggesting some sort of racial bias towards or against having children, and why would you make such a racist comment?

No apology needed by Boxer.

When will Bush apologize for defaming and demeaning all our European allies who correctly foresaw that an invasion of Iraq was far less likely to contain Saddam or reduce terrorists than the UN sponsored economic sanctions and fly-over surveillance.

Better intelligence, better political leaders, better understanding of the use of power.

Vive La France !

The thing that just blows my mind is Boxer is a feminist.
Reverse the role.......any liberal woman who would be subject to the same questions would be screaming sexual discrimination.

I wish that the article would have had the qoutes of Boxer implying that Rice and Bush were expecting X number of troops to die.

"bush admitted mistakes...liberal never do"

That's absolute bullshit. Bush admitted that "mistakes were made." He's NEVER admitted that HE'S made a mistake.




You wackjob wingnuts are once again inventing things out of thin air, in a desperate attempt to demonize that which you cannot touch. Boxer's comments had nothing to do with womanhood or race. They were in reference to the FACT that this vile administration has NO BLOOD invested in Iraq of their own, while they continue to ask American families to be sacrificed.

Perhaps, if you children weren't such blind ideologues, you wouldn't constantly find yourself making such ridiculous comments.

"I don't recall the lack of fruit from Janet Reno's womb figuring heavily into scrutiny of Waco or l'affaire Elian"

What war had the Clinton administration launched at the time, that had sacrificed 3,000 + American lives? Do tell.

Regardless of what she "meant" by her comment, there was no logical reason, no matter what context, for that comment. As I said before, since when does having children become a requirement for political office?
What if the roles had been reversed, and a Republican man had said that to a democratic woman? He would be hung, and each and every one here knows that to be true.

Clark, do you ever spout anything other than the party line or are you so closed minded that you can't see anything else. As a liberal, the self proclaimed protectors of minorities , women and everything else, you should find this offensive. Your blinded by your illogical hate.

Is her question inappropriate? Probably. However, to a liberal or her liberal constituents she is a hero. Just look at the support she is getting from our liberal Gather brethren. Boxer is well on her way to getting re-elected. She is a smart politician.

"Regardless of what she "meant" by her comment, there was no logical reason, no matter what context, for that comment. "

In your mind. In the minds of those who aren't blindly partisan, however, her comment is seen as completely logical and valid. Face it, you will hate her viciously forever, simply because she's a democrat. Nothing that she ever says or does will pass your test.




"As I said before, since when does having children become a requirement for political office?"

As I said before, this has NOTHING to do with having children. It has EVERYTHING to do with this administration having NO BLOOD INVESTMENT IN IRAQ, while American families are being asked to do exactly that.




"What if the roles had been reversed, and a Republican man had said that to a democratic woman? He would be hung, and each and every one here knows that to be true."

Wrong. This has nothing to do with womanhood, child-bearing ability, gayness, or race.




Clark, do you ever spout anything other than the party line or are you so closed minded that you can't see anything else."

I'm not a democrat, and thus have no allegiance to them. I have no difficulty in pointing out vile behavior on their part. YOU, on the other hand, are quite OBVIOUSLY married to the republican party, which is why you take something like this particular comment by Ms. Boxer, and turn it into something that it's clearly not, and then are so blinded by your own ideology that you cannot see the failure of your position.





"As a liberal, the self proclaimed protectors of minorities , women and everything else, you should find this offensive."

This isn't about race, sex, sexual preference, religion, or even party allegiance. This is about an administration that has zero blood investment in Iraq that continues to ask American families to supply their own blood investment, for a cause that is immoral, unjust, unnecessary, and illegal.





"Your blinded by your illogical hate. "

This is an idiotic comment. The sure sign of an ideologue who has nothing to stand on but his own blind allegiance to his ideology. Killing the messenger only comes into play when somebody knows that they've got nothing else. Weak.

I think Condi needs to call the ACLU and see if they will pick up the case against Boxers discriminating comments. Yeah right, what am I thinking. If the shoe was on the other foot, and some conservative said this about a liberal, then the media would blast it for days. And the ACLU would get involved. And people like Clark Kent would spit major dissagreement with the comments against it. Clark Kent, you always say you speak for whats right and just, yet you always find a way to defend your parties actions, no matter how offending they may be. This just goes to show you are not an understanding person. Just a bias mind, typing away to defend your perfect liberals in the world. You never see eye to eye with anything unless it supports your cause, or your views. In stead of defending what is really right , deep down. I think you have fooled yourself into always thinking this way. God Bless.

"I think Condi needs to call the ACLU and see if they will pick up the case against Boxers discriminating comments. "

On what basis? How are Ms. Rice's civil rights being violated by having someone point out the fact that she has no blood in Bush's illegal war in Iraq, at the same time that she's asking other Americans to contribute more of THEIR blood?




"If the shoe was on the other foot, and some conservative said this about a liberal, then the media would blast it for days."

Yes, of course, because the media is so "liberal."




"And people like Clark Kent would spit major dissagreement with the comments against it."

Not at all likely.




"Clark Kent, you always say you speak for whats right and just, yet you always find a way to defend your parties actions, no matter how offending they may be."

That's not true at all. I have frequently spoken out against the actual crimes that Bill Clinton committed while in office, and just yesterday, bellyached about the fact that the DOJ had not indicted Sandy Berger for his alleged crimes of stealing classified documents.





"This just goes to show you are not an understanding person."

No, it does not do that at all. In fact, it would appear that I'm being QUITE understanding on this particular topic, while the rightwing is not.




"Just a bias mind, typing away to defend your perfect liberals in the world. "

We're far from perfect.




"You never see eye to eye with anything unless it supports your cause, or your views."

You keep saying this, but it's simply not true.




" In stead of defending what is really right , deep down. I think you have fooled yourself into always thinking this way."

What is REALLY right about an illegal and unnecessary war? These sons of bitches in this filthy administration SHOULD be called to the carpet for what they've done. I have NO PROBLEM with what was said to Condi about her not having blood in Iraq. It was a factual comment, and it had great relavance to the line of questioning.

You see, this is what some people have a really hard time accepting. You assume that just because my opinions are different than yours, I "don't stand up for what is right." In YOUR mind, YOU are "standing up for what's right," but that doesn't necessarily mean that everything that you believe is "right," any more than everything that I believe is "right."

When you and I stand up for what we believe is right, we do so based upon our own opinions (hopefully), which are driven by (again, hopefully) a gathering and digesting of factual information at hand.

You and I can have completely different viewpoints on a given issue, and still both believe that we are "standing up for what's right." I have stated my case, and I have read opposing viewpoints. I've yet to see any sign whatsoever that anyone on the opposite side of this issue has read my position statements. I have seen both sides, and will continue to stand on what I've said.

My your just cull the newspapers and link to any incendiary article you can find.

What BS. Boxer's comment could have applied to Bush as well. He will not be paying for it with any immediate family because his twin brats are gallavanting about "teaching" working in musuems, and gettign drunk like dear old dad.

"Were you the only black man in Salt Lake City?" -- George W. Bush to a Hurricane Katrina survivor who had survived on canned goods for days before being transported to Utah. Apology pending.

"You fucking son of a bitch! I saw what you wrote! We're not going to forget this!" -- Bush to Wall Street Journal columnist Al Harris (Apparently poor Georgie didn't like what he wrote). It was in the late 80's, but curiously the so-called liberal media never brought this up during campaign seasons 2000 and 2004. Apology status unknown.

Bush: There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New york Times. Cheney: Yeah, tell me about it. -- Bush and Cheney's pleasant conversation being caught by live microphones that were right in front of their face's. September 2000. Apology pending.

"We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all thses years either." Sen. Trent Lott, referring to Mississippi being one of four states to carry the vote for Strom Thurmond's 1948 presidential run. Lott was forced to apologize, but as we know, he was just reinstated into a leadership position by Republican senators.

So far, every Democrat that voted to give Bush the authority to go to war with Iraq (except for Hillary and, of course, Lieberman) has apologized to their constituents and to the nation. Just as Bill Clinton has apologized for his behavior several times.

It wasn't until this past year that Bush finally attended the service of a fallen soldier, which every wartime president before him has done. It should be noted, though, that it was over three years into the war and that it wasn't until the Press had mentioned the fact that he finally did.

And Clark was correct, he didn't admit to any mistakes. He said "mistakes were made, and the responsibility for those mistakes falls on me" -- a far cry from 'I've made mistakes and I am sorry for the Americans and Iraqi's who have died on account of those mistakes.'

Keep in mind that it wasn't but months ago that both Bush and Cheney told interviewers that they would not have done ANYTHING different if they could go back and change something about the way the war was carried out.

When will Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, architects of the worst foreign policy blunder in our history, apologize for their treatment of General Shinseki?

A great story in the NY Times today:

..."the president's new strategy, with its explicit acknowledgment that not enough troops had been sent to Iraq to establish control, was a vindication for General Shinseki, who as Army chief of staff publicly told Congress as much just before the war began in 2003.

First vilified, then marginalized by the Bush administration after those comments, retired and faded away, even as lawmakers, pundits and politicians increasingly cited his prescience. "

This was a career military man who spoke the truth to the Senate, (at the same time that Bush refused to share the documents -now acknowledged to be false and fraudulent -regarding WMD in Iraq)). For his honest appraisal, he was publicly rebuked by Rumsfeld (the dimmest Secretary of Defense ever) and piled on by the neo-con hangers-on like Wolfowitz who said that Shinseki was "wildly off the mark"

This week, Bush says "mistakes were made", we failed to secure the peace in Iraq, the number of troops was never sufficient, -and he apologized to General Shinseki and commended him for his insight, his courage and enormous dignity.

Yeah, right.

Can any of the "Friends of the Snorter in Chief" give ANY EXAMPLE of a Conservative apologizing in the last six years?
Just one??

Bill Frist for his "telephone diagnosis" of Terry Schiavo that was flat wrong?

Cheney for telling Patrick Leahy to "go f**k yourself" on the floor of the Senate??

Liberals will say anything? Liberals never apologize? What bullshit.

That's absolute bullshit. Bush admitted that "mistakes were made." He's NEVER admitted that HE'S made a mistake. - Clark Kent

The situation in Iraq is unacceptable to the American people -- and it is unacceptable to me. Our troops in Iraq have fought bravely. They have done everything we have asked them to do. Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me. .George Bush - Address to the Nation January 10, 2007

Good point Greg.

Clark I agree, we may both be standing up for what we think is right even when we are on different sides of the spectrum. We both have the same common goal. But I am a right winger and you are wrong winger. Just kidding LOL

Hey, we weren't the "Right" untill the left called us that.

Right on Greg.

Defenders of the President are DEAD wrong again on this issue. It matters a LOT who is paying the price in Iraq and not just on a personal level. We are being told this is the struggle to determine the course of history, yet this war hasn't been deemed important enough to justify raising taxes or bringing back the draft.

So, who is paying for this war? Unfortunately it is those unfortunate enough to find themselves in the armed forces and reserves when Bush became commander in chief and future generations who will find themselves paying off this war debt. There are also hundreds of thousands of avoidable Iraqi deaths caused by our invasion.

Meanwhile some of today's war-mongering, rich, investor-types [in the likes of Haliburton] are actually profiting from the corruption and bloodshed. You all should be ashamed. This is immoral and un-American!

There has been right and left for over 100 years. I think it is important to take her words in context. She also stated that she didn't have to make the ultimate sacrifice since her grandchildren were so young and her children were too old. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her words. Talk about making something out of nothing. This article is it.