John Kerry was mocking the PRESIDENT!!!

I agree with you 100%..while his comment was stupid, I think it's being taken the wrong way..I don't think he meant it to sound like it did....I think he merely chose his words wrong....and i'm the daughter of a career military man....

Thanks Laura. I am glad I am not the only one to interpret his comments as I did and I really appreciate your feedback given your military family background.

Yes, I get Kerry's joke but Bush has no sense of humor after getting 2800 US
Soldiers killed in Iraq since Bush has stated that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

I think Kerry and Jane Fonda are two of the same. You dont make jokes at someone else' expense. It was disrespectful to say that anyone who is in the military is uneducated. He doesnt even have enough common sense to know that while putting others down, he is also, putting himself down. He and his wife are full of crap. why, didnt he choose to apogize for his remarks. Oh, thats right he will blame the Republicans. He is another one who does not take responsibility for his actions. I think that they should ask for his resignation.

"disrespectful to say that anyone who is in the military is uneducated."

Vickey- I COMPLEYELY agree that it is disrespectful and also incorrect to equate military service with a lack of education or intelligence. However, that is NOT what Kerry was saying!! People have misinterpreted h8is remarks. They were delivered badly, but he was trying equate a lack of intelliegence with Bush's lack of miliatry strategy in invading Iraq.

Logically, why would a politician ever insult the troops? It's like saying yoouhate puppy dogs- not a popular idea.

This spin does not fly.

John Kerry knows that George Bush is better educated than John Kerry.

Bush has an BA degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. Kerry has a BA from Yale and a law degree from the not-too prestigious Boston College.

Kerry is not content to just throw the 2004 election, now he is attempting to throw the 2006 election.

Finally, a voice of reason in this whole thing!

Sondra Granberry,
He had been campaigning all day against Bush, and his Iraq policy. He said that Bush used to live in Texas, but now he lives in a state of denial. Tehn he said "if you make the most of it, study hard and do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart you can do well. If you don't you get stuck in Iraq." As in, Bush, who didn't study hard, got Cs all the way through, and is now figurativly stuck in Iraq. He never said a word about our troops, and is arguably a lousy joke teller, but this is all Rove spin, and patently unfair.

Char:

Let's assume for a moment that you are right and Kerry meant the comment to be a snide remark against the military. Hmmm.....so you are saying that the last Democratic Presidential Candidate would ridicule the armed forces to get votes....how do you think he would even imagine that would work?

On the other hand, if you listen or read his remarks at the campaign stop, he had made a series of remarks about Bush, Bush, Bush.

Should we discuss now the number of times Republicans have claimed that their statements have been taken "out of context?" Hmmmm.......

Greg:

So you want to compare C student Bush who has never had a successful business and hung around Alabama and Texas during Viet Nam with A Student John Kerry who served in Viet Nam and was a District Attorney before becoming Senator?

Yes, Greg, I would bet if you asked 25 people at random with their records, Kerry would be considered a better student and at least an equal in terms of service to their country.

"Bush has an BA degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. Kerry has a BA from Yale and a law degree from the not-too prestigious Boston College. " Ever hear of the term LEGACY, Greg? I also attended an Ivy League school, and I can tell you from my own experience, that schools will cater to wealthy and famous alums like the Bushes by admitting their functionally retarded progeny.

Oh, and Boston College is a very prestigious law school.

Kerry could not get into Harvard, Bush did.

Kerry went to Vietnam and turned on the troops there, now he turns on our troops in Iraq. Kerry is a relic as are most of his supporters.

What I am curious about....is where was John Kerry when Pol Pot was murdering millions of Cambodians for "crimes" as trivial as wearing glasses?

Where was Mr. Kerry when the Vietnamese Communists set tens of thousands of their citizens onto the open ocean in little boats for the "crime" of being (part) ethnic Chinese?

For a man with such a fine tuned sense of puritan morality concerning the behavior of the United States, he sure turned a blind eye to the behavior of the people he put into power by his protesting.

Oh, and Boston College is a very prestigious law school.

Harvard MBA ranks #1
Boston College Law School ranks #19

Greg, I want to know why you are so concerned about John Kerry and what he says. If you believe he is such a fool, why would his statement even matter? What do you fear? As for defending Bush's education, I think that works against him. There is nothing worse than an educated fool, because we know he had the opportunity to do better and blew it.

Kerry could not get into Harvard, Bush did.

Kerry went to Vietnam and turned on the troops there, now he turns on our troops in Iraq. Kerry is a relic as are most of his supporters

That's your opinion, he was trying to get them home alive, instead of body bags. Not to mention he was quoting vets he met at an anti war demonstration, not his own words.

What I am curious about....is where was John Kerry when Pol Pot was murdering millions of Cambodians for "crimes" as trivial as wearing glasses?

Where was Mr. Bush? Hepped on cocaine?

Where was Mr. Kerry when the Vietnamese Communists set tens of thousands of their citizens onto the open ocean in little boats for the "crime" of being (part) ethnic Chinese?

Where was Bush, drunk on his ass?

For a man with such a fine tuned sense of puritan morality concerning the behavior of the United States, he sure turned a blind eye to the behavior of the people he put into power by his protesting.

You don't know that, and I'm betting he was sober, at least.

Harvard MBA ranks #1 and Bush got Cs
Boston College Law School ranks #19 And Kerry got As

OK Greg, using your brilliant logic, I went to a better school than you did and got A's so that make sme smarter so I must be right and Kerry was referring to the president.

I don't care if someone has 50 PhD's if you started the Iraq war based on faulty intleligence not expecting an insurgency or civil war than you're stupid and could have been better educated,

Ron's right. The school isn't important if you didn't study, and ESPECIALLY if you were onyl accepted because your last name is Bush. If Kerry's father was a president, you can bet he'd have been accepted in Harvard as well.

Kerry need not apologize to anyone. He never said one disparaging remark about our troops, and merely insulted a man that richly deserves it, our Prez, Mr. Bush. Rove has the spin machine running, and it will probably affect the election, but I hope he doesn't apologize, because he has nothing to apologize for. First they swift boat him, now this? And it's all from a bunch of Chicken hawks who hid under rocks when it was their turn to serve. Whatever you think of Kerry, he served, and with distinction, those that criticise him, have had the nerve to smear vet after vet. McCain, Murtha, Kerry, and they will smear more, because they have no morals, no shame, and no other thing to campaign on.

And, let's not forget how often Bush 'screws up' trying to make a point. Here's one of my recent favorites.

Maria Bartiromo: "I'm curious, have you ever googled anybody? Do you use Google?"
President Bush: "Occasionally. One of the things I've used on the Google is to pull up maps. It's very interesting to see -- I've forgot the name of the program -- but you get the satellite, and you can -- like, I kinda like to look at the ranch. It remind me of where I wanna be sometimes." --interview with CNBC's Maria Bartiromo, Oct. 24, 2006

Plenty more here

And these ignorant statements from Bush weren't even supposed to be jokes . . .

'My answer is bring them on.' —on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces

'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'

'Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.'

'There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.'

'If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.'

What a political boob

A mediocre, scripted joke , so what? He recited it wrong, leaving out the last phrase "as Bush did." [get us stuck in Iraq] and he didn't say anything about the troops. The students got it, anyway,and laughed. I saw it on tape and it was clear to me he was referring to Bush. Let's face it , Kerry has utter contempt for Bush, who wasted his expensive schooling and couldn't find Paris on a map, having been abroad once,briefly, to visit his father in China.

Its funny how an article gets posted on a debate on what Kerry says turns into a BUSH BASH!!! I do agree Kerry probably did not mean to insult the troops. But that does not deny the fact THAT HE DID!!! Yes it would be political suicide for a politician to say rude remarks like this so close to an election. But it was said. This just shows how incapable he is on being a good leader. He did turn on our troops when he was one and continues to even now. Yes I am a veteran of Desert Storm, and I think he is a discrace to our country and our military. And lets not forget the other great comments about our loyal troops he so firmly supports. Said we are ravaging through cities killing women and children. What a loser. He should be shot.

Jason, he did not insult the troops - he insulted Bush fans who want to say he insulted the troops. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Hey Sandy, thats exactly what I figured a liberal would say. Great Post Char, I agree with most of what you said.

That's your opinion, he was trying to get them home alive, instead of body bags.

Kerry and the anti-war crowd are DIRECTLY responsible for putting U.S. troops into body bags.

The strategy of the Vietnames Communists as well as the Iraqi Insurgency is to kill as many American troops as possible so as to strengthen their allies in the anti-war movement.

It is no wonder that the people leading the current Anti-War/Anti-Iraqi War is A.N.S.W.E.R., a front organization for The World Workers Party, ie. the old communist party.

These are the people who were funded by Saddam through the Miriam Appeal to protest sanctions, then oppose the war against Iraq.

From Wikipedia

Act Now to Stop War and End Racism—also known as International ANSWER and the ANSWER Coalition—is a radical American protest organization involved in the post-9/11 anti-war movement.

Formed on an emergency basis within three days of the September 11th attacks, and officially founded on September 14, 2001 by Ramsey Clark and members of the International Action Center, ANSWER was one of the first organizations formed to protest the policies of the Bush administration in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Its first major action was a September 29, 2001 "Anti-War, Anti-Racist" political rally and march in Washington, D.C., primarily in protest of the then-impending U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Subsequently the organization has organized rallies drawing crowds in the hundreds of thousands, including several with record-setting numbers of people.

ANSWER characterizes itself as anti-imperialist, and its steering committee consists of socialists, Marxists, civil rights advocates, and left-wing progressive organizations from the Muslim, Arab, Palestinian, Filipino, Haitian, and Latin American communities. Many of ANSWER's leaders were members of Workers World Party (WWP) at the time of ANSWER's founding, and are current members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a Marxist-Leninist organization that formed in 2004.

Wow great info Greg, I am going to do more research on these commies

Harvard MBA ranks #1 and Bush got Cs
Boston College Law School ranks #19 And Kerry got As

Ron,

Check your facts (for once)
Boston Globe: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

improved his average with a lot of As, you mean

So Kerry is responsible for them too, you are an ass. You quote Wikopedia? Anyone can post anything in there. Not a good source. I don't care what the North Vietnamese wanted. If Kerry and others would not have changed the attitude of the american citizen, that war would have drug on forever. We were doing the same thing we are doing now, in Iraq- go out clean the enemy out of an area, then walk away and turn it back over to them. You can't win a war that way. It will, however keep Haliburton and it's subsidiaries in our pockets forever.

So what's the Dems plan for Iraq, besides cut and run....you bleeding heart anti everything liberals are loved only by the terrorist.

Stephen Desmonie,
Don't rag on cut and run too quick, my friend, your president is figuring out how to do exactly that himself, "but we'll call it victory, and maybe I'll fly me one uh those navy thingys uh jets and land on a carrier, and I want me this huge sign, and I'll say mission completed. Uh..........."

Regardless of what he meant, it was probably an ill-considered statement. Bush unfortunately has some degree of immunity as far as making idiotic remarks -- he's already in office. The unfair truth is that the party out of office has to be especially careful, and I don't think that Kerry's joke or mis-step or poorly-phrased speech or whatever the hell it was has done the Democratic cause much good. Not that it matters who is in office, really . . . the country is run by big business regardless. At least the Republicans are honest about wanting to fuck the world to keep America in its position of top aggressive consumer, whereas the Democrats pretend to care what the world thinks of us.

So what's the Dems plan for Iraq, besides cut and run....you bleeding heart anti everything liberals are loved only by the terrorist.

Stephen, the better, more pertinent question is what is BUSH's plan for Iraq. Afterall, he's the one who started the mess, is still in charge, and hasn't stated a plan.

Bonus: "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

And, David, caring what the world thinks of us (as well as caring ABOUT the world) is not a pretense for most Democrats.

Bottom line...Yes, Bush went to a more prestigious school, but did Daddy buy his way in or were his academics so good to ensure his spot? Hmmm, think on that for a few . If you don't know, look it up on "the google". If he were a college kid today we would call him a coke head, drunk, slacker. At least Kerry earned his A's.

Sandy Knauer,
Yeah, but Kerry is more intelligent, so it's unforgivable when he does it, right?

Where was this outrage for someone insulting soldiers when the whole Republican convention donned purple hearts to denigrate one. That was an insult to every soldier that ever got a wound in battle, fighting for our country, but you hypocrites weren't outraged then, were you?

Sheesh. Step away from Gather for a little bit and return to your posting to see an all out political war erupted. I'm happy to see that I'm not the the only one who read Kerry's remarks to refer to the president and obviously not the troops.

Reagardless of one's political sentiments, I think it's pretty obvious Kerry is getting swiftboated again by Rove's spin machine. They jumped all over his remarks and interpreted thenm in the least logical way. Sometimes I wonder if Dems are going to have to stoop to their level of dirty tricks to stand a chance of winning.

Kerry is the one that needs to be the mayor of Bagdad. The esteemed Nam vet with an ass full of rice did some very dispicable things. Read the stuff Greg posted.

Kerry has had military-envy since he ran. Not more than a handful would appear anywhere near him, only born-again pacifists.

Now he has done double duty for Arabs - belittled our troops and our President- Real gut busting funny guy. I'm sure him and Hugo and Uncle Aj had a pee-their pants funny moment on the phone! They'll be dancing in the streets in Arab land, It will be a holiday, maybe his own town Kerry-stan!

I know God is alive and well when a shit-for-brains politico of his stature opens his mouth and loses races he's not even in!

Scumbag bastard will have a statue of HIM in Bagdad. What the hell is with Mass. voters- a drunken murderer and a ball-less whinny vet that hates the military and his country! Real funny guy, makes me hold my gut hes so funny and witty and wise. Oh so pretty, he's so pretty, pretty and witty and wise. and FULL of himself and fecal matter.

Sandy K.: Is that the Koran you studying on the porch, better brush up or pray for an early demise.

Sandy -- I really don't believe there's any difference between Reps and Dems in high office other than the level of lip service they give to the legitimate concerns of the people who vote for them. I do believe that Democrats who vote Democrat are sincere in caring what happens to the country. I also believe that all politics in America is (yes, I use "politics" as a singular collective noun) funded by business interests, and all business interests are exactly the same: to have a controlling interest in world resources. I can't believe anyone thinks that the war in the Middle East has anything to do with terrorism or anything at all other than resource control. If we have a Democrat president who formulates and executes an exit strategy, I will glady recant and apologize. But I don't think our country's actions will change at all regardless of who is in office . . . I think a Dem president would apologize for it more, that's all.

Kerry will be on Wolf Blitzer's program this evening, so maybe his side will get out, Snow did a snow job on him at a press conference this morning, and our nations only senior drive by shooter is planning to blast him this evening so time will tell.

Lauren,
You nailed it. The Repubs are "swiftboating" not only Kerry, but all of the Dem candidates this fall. The attack ads in Ohio are insane, and outrageous lies. Some TV stations are refusing to show them because of the inaccuracies. Like this situation, they take one tiny fraction of truth and spin it into something its not. Much like our current administration, huh?

Grateful 1.,
Take a breath, it will be ok, uncle Rovey the chickenhawk, with his other chickenhawk friends are smearing another vet for you. They must of run out and decided to start over, of course, they can't hit McCain, the guy sold his soul to them for a shot at the presidency, so Kerry is next, and they'll get around to Murtha just before the election. Chill dude.

All you troop loyalists, why aren't you fuming over Bush's decision to let the guy that got captured over there twist in the wind. He's knocked down all the roadblocks and left the guy without a prayer, because the Iraqi pres ordered him to. Where is your outrage over that. Bunch of hypocritical twits.

Greg do you get much sunshine? Ever get some fresh air outside the bomb shelter?

This gaffe is mother's milk for Bush and Co. This their forte, their great strength and the fortress behind which they've built an empire of corruption and the spilled blood of Americans. This is how they won the last few elections. The plan? Make the discussion point about ANYBODY but you. Greg knows this well.

Bush and CO are a house of cards that like Greg in the bomb shelter can't stand the light of day. The best defense is a good offense. This good "offense" won't of course bring back 3,000 Ameicans dead in Iraq or heal the 21,000 wounded or help the grief of Iraqi families who lost 50,000 of their loved ones. It won't stop the deficit hemmorage of $800,000 per minute and 8.5 trillion. Won't restore accountability by giving Congress balls instead of kowtowing to Karl Rove. Won't expose the NSA, the extent of torture, the incest between Bush and the oil industry and on and on. It will however deflect attention, change the subject and perhaps rattle the "base" who have grown disgusted with Bush, Republicans and politics as usual. Perhaps they will crawl from their caves and vote for truth, justice and what they think is the American way.

Gosh Sam, I am flattered (blush)

regardless of intent it it's hard to deny that it was poorly handled.

This is part of the reason I just couldn't vote for the guy last time and a lot of others couldn't as well.. (if there had been a solid majority no amount of stuffing would have saved the republicans, so lay off the 'we wuz robbed' stuff, huh?),...

Kerry, like poor old Al, 'I concede, HEY WAIT A MIN?UTE!' Gore are just simply not men of the people.. dubya ain't much either come right to it but he pulls it off better in a pinch.

Bush,??? No sense of humor??? can you EVER foresee Kerry with a look-a-like standing next to him live mocking his words, Bush did it at the Press club and it was hilarious.

this is politicking, that's all, it wasn't an insult to the troops, Kerry isn't that stupid, (regardless of how he acts at times), he stepped on his "appendage" and the GOP rammed it back where it should have been..

lets not take the media at face value, shall we?

Come on everyone, we all KNOW the Kerry, "didn't insult the troops intellegence, before he insulted the toops intellegence"!

This is John F-ing Kerry for Christ's Sake! He's a genius! Just ask him!

(Welcome to the world within the Twilight Zone)

"Bush did it at the Press club and it was hilarious."
Did yous ee hwat he did the year before when I crawled under the table wondering aloud where are those WMD? Truly embarassing.

I would take a competent man or woman than a popular "man of the people" anytime

Sen. John Kerry issues a statement saying: "I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended" by comments he made about being "stuck in Iraq."

Even though Kerry is not running, he is a very influencial character in this country. Therefore, these are comments about the war. Which is a very important issue. Of course it is a talking point to help in the GOP campaign. Why shouldnt we see what kind of idiots might become more powerful in our country. Man we are doomed if more people think like Tony S.

No matter why, it was a stupid thing to say, and then he made it worse.

"No matter why, it was a stupid thing to say, and then he made it worse."

Um, no. No one would be paying attention to this if the republican spin machine didn't jump all over. He was taken completlely out of context. I knew he was referring to the president as soon as i read the quote and i had to read the spin to figure out what al the hullabaloo was about. liberal media my a$$.

Greg the rose on your cheeks IS attractive but pull up your pants for Gods sake.

Geez, folks. Kerry just flat screwed up. He attempted to tell an inappropriate joke. Just admit it and let's move on!
All this blaming the Republicans of some sort of conspiracy is just ridiculous! Conspiracy to do what? Show Kerry to be the humorless, pompus ass he is? What's the point? We already KNEW that.
Or .... maybe that's the way Kerry REALLY feels ... and the rest of you defending his "joke" do, as well. And THAT'S the reason for all this caterwauling.
To paraphrase old Billy S., "Me thinks the Dems doth protest too much."

Actually, Lauren, the reason it is a big deal is because an alert reporter noticed the clip on a local california tv station and posted it on the web. Otherwise, Kerry could have noshed on toejam and sucked on his foot in heavenly peace.

John Kerry: Joined the service after his Fifth deferment was denied. He joined the navy because they are on the ocean and not in the jungle. Volunteered for Patrol Boats because at the time they patrolled the coast, suddenly they were sent up rivers, oops!
He went to Cambodia at Christmas without really going to Cambodia at Christmas. He got wounded once and injured himself two or three other times and put himself in for a purple heart. He left his shipmates as fast as he could (good esprit de corps). Left the service before his enlistment was up.
He went to Paris to support the communist North Vietnamese during the Paris Peace talks. He accused the entire U.S. military of war crimes (except for him that is). He received an Amnesty discharge from jimmy carter. Voted against every military program that is currently in use.
He ran for President and lost (did you know he was in Vietnam?). He said he would release his military record without really releasing his military record. Voted for the Iraq war before he thought we would actually go to war and then he voted against it. Continues to put his foot in his mouth and refuses to apologize.
He apologizes without really apologizing, blaming others for not understanding his "nuanced" jokes

He has disdain for everything that is not himself. Does not respect the military, mocks the President during wartime. Why is anything john kerry says worth reacting to?

"Joined the service after his Fifth deferment was denied"

Dick CHeney had FIVE deferments and never volunteered. Kerry actually volunteered. When did Cheney volunteer?

just Joe,
I think a bit of that was opinion, and not very intelligent opinion, at that. You know nothing about why he did anything, or what he thought, or what actually happened in several cases you claim to know. Kerry isn't my favorite guy, but it might have been a little dumb to go in front of congress and testify while awol, and a few more things there are a little skewed, nahh, let's just say it, what a crock!

I think there is really only one thing left to say.... thank you Kerry, keep up the speaches!

Joe you see the world, or rather a small distorted corner of it, thru pop bottle glasses. That record is right out of Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh trash can, even too stupid for them. You pose a collection of distorted fiction and call it facts then consider it credible comment. You talk show wannabes are getting tiring.

Ron W. You are right; there is some opinion in there. I thought that's what this was all about, expressing opinion? I misspoke on a few points. john kerry went to Paris to meet with the communist North Vietnamese delegations in 1970/71. I did not date the timeframe originally. I also said he joined the navy, I was wrong about that, he joined the Navy Reserves.
John kerry DID go to Paris and met with the communist North Vietnamese and DID council them. He did accuse the entire U.S. military of war crimes. He did say he would release his military records and has not. He did vote for the war before he voted against it. He most likely received an amnesty from jimmy carter. All he has to do is release his military records which includes his DD214 and all mystery would be cleared up. But he won't because he would no longer be able to deny it all. Look it up yourself, do the research. That way you can't say I gave you a bogus source.

SAm C. is that all you got, o'Reilly and Rush?

So just out of curiosity, how many of you who have posted on here about the shamble of a war in Iraq have been there since it has started? I was there, and all I want to say is that you as an average american citizen DO NOT KNOW everything there is to know, nor should you. Kerry's comment, whether it be against Bush or the troops was not warranted. John Kerry is not privvy to the same intelligence as those intimately involved in the war. He was very bold making his comment hiding behind his ignorance.

... and now comes along Brian forgetting the party line that Kerry 'did know; what Bush knew about the situation in Iraq because he read the 'same' info that Bush did from the CIA ... make up your mind neo-CONNs you can't have it both ways ... unless you are liars ... gee, I wonder if that could be the case ... duhhh.

If it were not for Rush, the other talk radio crap and FOX, YOU rightwingnuts would have nothing to say because you would have no leader to follow along behind with your nose up their a$$ ... it is for sure that none of you are able to think for yourselves ... you just all keep on repeating what Rove dictates to you ...

None of you are smart enough or honest enough, or just decent enough to use your own minds and look at the big picture ... of anything. You just take your little selections out of context and spin them for whatever it is that you do ... sorry, people are wising up to you ... you had better change your tune.

Even John McCain gave a trashy interview insisting that Kerry had meant to insult the troops rather than the president. What a bunch of crap ... you folks are really getting creepy.

Well, gee Jerry, it's nice to see you're trying to raise the level of discourse on this topic.

I'd be more than willing to debate you on this, or any other topic, on a purely intellectual and reasoned level. Unfortunately, from the tone and tenor or your comments, the condescension that drips from each and every word you've posted and your penchant for ad hominem attacks rather than a civilized recitation of FACTS to support your position.

No sir, in an intellectual and reasoned debate you are apparantly woefully overmatched.

Can we Nancy Pelosi to chime in before the elections PLEASE, that should clinch it for us with Rangel and his reference to the VP as a SOB.

And I'm SURE Howie Dean-o has some valubale input to offer.

Yeah Jerry, I love the I was lied to because as a US Senator I could not read a UN reprot or an Intelligence Report and I had no reason to believe our CIA chief (Tenet under Clinton AND Bush) would lie to me or hold back any information and I was too busy to really ask any questions or state MY concerns about the vast historical knowlege I posses about the historical turmoil in the Middle East.

Jeeez EVERYBODY knows Muslims just love to take the opportunity to blow up other MUSLIMS! Jeeez - EVERYBODY KNOWS that a sunni could NEVER live with a Shia and damn I just knew those Kurds did not really mind being gassed by CW and buried in mass graves (I KNEW we would find them WHEN we got bogged down over there about 300,000 that I knew of).

I KNOW Kerry is a puke of a human and has a HISTORY of showing it. He laughs at your sorry ass and puts his arm around you at the same time.

At least Bush has something no Lib possesses: CHARACTER and CONVICTION. Yours and your ilk are sore losers who still want to cling to 2000 and wonder what if? In other words Bitch and Complain and spend an exorbinate amout of time defending 'foot in mouth" outbreaks. LOSERS by historical fact.

Fox, Linbaugh HIGH ratings (listeners).

Air America and Lib Dems: BANKRUPT. Financially, morally and politically.

Enjoy the sinking ship. ALL Aboard!

"his reference to the VP as a SOB."

Or maybe we can get CHeney to tell Leahy to Go F--- himself again. Better, yet, maybe we cna get Cheney to SHOOT a man in the face again!!

Chehey's popularity rating is 18%. You ar emore ikely to find a dentist that does't recommend brushign your teeth than someone who approves of Dick CHeney.

David Bealle you are hilarious. More than that, I agree with you! lol

Lauren;

The only popularity contest that counts in the world of national politics is that one that say 270 votes wins -- electoral votes. Cheney has received more than that number twice.

Kerry? - 252
boop boop; Sorry. Thanks for playing!

P.S.

Leahy NEEDS to go F--- himself; maybe it would loosen him up a bit.

David Beall needs to go f--- himself.

David, I KNOW you are an intelligent person, I am only average, yet I see the fallacies in this administration with much less intelligence, what is your excuse ? It must be that you are 'upper' income, of which you want to protect very much, that and your anticipated future 'earnings', so that the accumulation can be left with your children with no taxation. That way your offspring can also amass a dynastic fortune like the Bush's and others to insure your progeny have a hand $$$ up in advantage to control the masses and fool them into being followers and blind supporters, complicit in screwing the common people that just want to mind their own business and make an honest living.

I do not 'debate' those that seek to do so as a kind of competition where they can claim to have 'gotcha' when ever they want to think they have a valid fact … which nine times out of ten is but another contrived lie that only they (you) believe. No thanks, I have better things to do.

But every once in a while as I read all those sick comments, where it is obvious that they were fabricated in the rightwing nuts think tanks being put out for gullible consumption of the ignorant masses that have not the smarts or ability (or desire) to come up with an ad hominen comment that was uniquely their own.

At least mine are mine. There is nothing 'civil' about your distortions and lies either, let alone ad hominen, just more mantra crap from Rove and Co. So yes, you can consider yourself a 'winner' however and whenever you want if it makes you feel good … and I am sure it does, but you are only fooling yourself and other imbecile 'follower'. Enjoy taking 'your' country down the tubes to Fascism. Your Gratefuls will be grateful … at first … then a 'new' reality will set in … and then they will change their tune. But probably not you, as you are intelligent enough to be the leader and commander enjoying all of the 'perks'. There is one in every crowd … that is where we get the blind following the Blind … the situation of the rightwingnutcases … enjoy it while it lasts.

David Beall needs to go f--- himself.

Lisa B. commented Nov 2, 2006

I used to Lisa, but I'm married now. But, thanks for caring.

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Now, Jerry;

You're making my point for me, in that you said:
"It must be that you are 'upper' income, of which you want to protect very much, that and your anticipated future 'earnings', so that the accumulation can be left with your children with no taxation. That way your offspring can also amass a dynastic fortune like the Bush's and others to insure your progeny have a hand $$$ up in advantage to control the masses and fool them into being followers and blind supporters, complicit in screwing the common people that just want to mind their own business and make an honest living."

Jerry, I'm just an ordinary American, no more no less. My wife and I have a combined annual income of $75,000 and rent -- not own -- our home. We face the same problems as any other problems any other middle-class family faces; stretching our paychecks to keepthe roof over our head, put food on the table, and put money aside for the kids college and our retirement.
We also take responsibility for ourselves, not seeking a handout from the government -- EVER. I was laid off of job 10 years ago and spent 6 months looking before I got the one I have now. I didn't take a DIME of unemployment -- I didn't even file. That's because I don't want to leach of society, Jerry. And, I don't appreciate it when other want to leach off of me.
You sling around what you obliviously consider epithets, like "ring-wing" or "conservative" like I should be ashamed of myself for supporting those who encourage a strong work ethic and self-reliance over those who advocate the "me-first-and give-me-what-I-want-and-need-because-I'm-too-freaking-lazy-to-take-care-of-myself" crowd. Well Jerry, I'm conservative by my well-informed and highly-educated choice and a loyal, flag-loving American by the Grace of God.
You, and all the other liberals in this country are free to believe what you want and to live any way you want. But, don't get pissed at me when your way doesn't work out for you. I won't feel obligated to pull your asses out of a jam because of the piss-poor decisions you made and how they screwed up your life.
(taking a breath)
Now, that said. The topic of this thread is what a jerk John Kerry showed himself to be Monday, and those of you on here who are trying to explain away what he said, or excuse the inexcusable. Do I expect ANYONE to accept my arguments as to why what he said was despicable? No, I live in the real world.
And, when it comes to being a Kool-Aid drinker, Jerry; I'll leave that to the Dean/Kerry/Pelosi backing crowd. You know who you are. I prefer an ice cold Budweiser on a hot summer day, sitting proudly under the American flag flying in my front yard.

Have a great day

Well I was going to comment more, but David Beall said everything for me. Hey David, Mind if I stick a couple Michelobs in your cooler and sit under your flag with you.

David Beall,

Doesn't work for democrats, we don't have uncle Rovey
Kool-Aid drinker= indoctrinated, brainwashed, losing all personal judgement- stemming from Karl Rove going to committee rooms in congress on the guise of pouring kool-aid from big pitchers, for the party faithful, and talking them into supporting bad bills, astonishing even themselves, at times. I can't believe I have to explain that to you.

Well David, maybe I got a couple things wrong there ... maybe what I said about wealth and intelligence ... enjoy your beer.

Jerry K:
Kerry had to 'marry up' twice to accumlate his!

"It must be that you are 'upper' income, of which you want to protect very much, that and your anticipated future 'earnings', so that the accumulation can be left with your children with no taxation. That way your offspring can also amass a dynastic fortune like the Bush's and others to insure your progeny have a hand $$$ up in advantage to control the masses and fool them into being followers and blind supporters, complicit in screwing the common people that just want to mind their own business and make an honest living."

It USED to be quite a nobel gesture, and a mark of honor, to leave more for your children in money and oportunity than you started with (sacrifice). Now YOU want it to redistribute to the less fortunate (less motivated).

Quite frankly, in reading the rest of your unly ramblings, I thought I had flipped over to MoveOn.org or MediaMatters. Was that Geroge Soros arm up your bum making your fingers type that hateful blather, or was that REALLY all your own flashes of brillance (lacking originality).

Jerry,

Your people reading skills be slipping. Readjust the aluminum foil hat to improve reception, the Soros-bandwith is fading.

Ron W. Ditto.

Anyone defended the Kerry is a lying asshole theroy yet?

"Why would a soldier with a purple heart who actually fought in a war, make fun of the troops like that. Plus he's a politician. To demean the troops is a cardinal sin for any politician. His words were clearly polished and reviewed by a team of writers. Only someone as stupid and ineffectual as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter can get away with saying total crap. People are completely misreading Kerry's words."

Agreed.................so why did Kerry make this stupid joke?
It was a cardinal sin, and now he has to do a million Hail Marys on Fox News (LOL) for forgiveness. As I understand it, Kerry had a polished speech prepared, but felt so passionately about what he wanted to say that he went off-script. This makes his comments even more revealing.............and the end-product even more contemptable.

Grateful 1.,
We don't have to wonder who's arm is up your bum, do we, could it be Foley? As for the Kerry situation, at least he served, unlike your bunch of coward chickenhawks. You hypocritical wastes of human tissue tear him down, while you let your smirking chimp abandon a soldier in Sadr City because the Iraqis wanted him to? You get all bent out of shape about Kerry making a remark that was in your tiny little minds, and nobody says a word when your whole national convention puts on purple hearts and jokes about it, dishonoring every soldier that ever got one in combat? You're pathetic, no, you're worse than pathetic, you're offal, toe lint, infected vaginal discharge, you are, GRATING 1, a total ass.

Marc L.,
Sounds pretty intelligent to me.

I plead self defense and throw myself upon the mercies of the court.

Nostradamus, Even though I normally disagree with most of your points. I do agree with this. Very True. And we are all guilty of it. Great Point.

Apparently you don't know much about Mr.Kerry Lauren , because you answered your own questions. MR. KErry upon returning to the United States from his tour in Vietnam did bash his fellow servicemen and in doing so got a lot oif them killed and tortured for his lies of atrocities that he claimed were commonplace among his fellow servicemen.
MR. Kerry has a disdain for the military that only he can answer as to why it runs so deep and cold.
If Mr. KErry had anyt integrity and character he would find it beneath himself to insult and deride a sitting president publicly and especially in a time of war. It serves no purpose other than to embolden our enemies and demoralize the troops. THAT is what he was and is activley trying to do, that is the Democrat way. He and his party want us to fail, want us to lose. He himself said there is a certain level of domestic terrorism we should all be able to live with. Are you kidding me? The only level I 'll accept is ZERO.

Keith,

Absolutely no level of domestic terrorism is acceptable. So, let's get out of the business of war and into the business of infiltrating terrorist groups and thwarting their efforts.

lord Nostradamus,
You are right about one thing, this serves no purpose, Grateful one, you've got a free shot, I'm out of here. Keith Kalish, wrap yorself a little tighter in the flag, and you'll cut off the rest of the circulation to your brain. You also have a free shot, don't waste em.

Joe T. I guess we finally have a common ground of thought.
No level of terrorsm is acceptable.

Ron I don't apologize for being an American Patriot, if you mean a free shot is to take a dig at you,why? I am not involved here to toss epithets, what good is that?

Can we Nancy Pelosi to chime in before the elections PLEASE, that should clinch it for us with Rangel and his reference to the VP as a SOB.

And I'm SURE Howie Dean-o has some valubale input to offer.

Yeah Jerry, I love the I was lied to because as a US Senator I could not read a UN reprot or an Intelligence Report and I had no reason to believe our CIA chief (Tenet under Clinton AND Bush) would lie to me or hold back any information and I was too busy to really ask any questions or state MY concerns about the vast historical knowlege I posses about the historical turmoil in the Middle East.

Jeeez EVERYBODY knows Muslims just love to take the opportunity to blow up other MUSLIMS! Jeeez - EVERYBODY KNOWS that a sunni could NEVER live with a Shia and damn I just knew those Kurds did not really mind being gassed by CW and buried in mass graves (I KNEW we would find them WHEN we got bogged down over there about 300,000 that I knew of).

I KNOW Kerry is a puke of a human and has a HISTORY of showing it. He laughs at your sorry ass and puts his arm around you at the same time.

At least Bush has something no Lib possesses: CHARACTER and CONVICTION. Yours and your ilk are sore losers who still want to cling to 2000 and wonder what if? In other words Bitch and Complain and spend an exorbinate amout of time defending 'foot in mouth" outbreaks. LOSERS by historical fact.

Fox, Linbaugh HIGH ratings (listeners).

Air America and Lib Dems: BANKRUPT. Financially, morally and politically.

Enjoy the sinking ship. ALL Aboard!

LoL @Grateful. Good point.

Joe -

I think you're misunderstanding - the business of war IS the business of infiltrating terrorist groups.

And personally, I think that taking the fight to the enemy on its home turf is the only way to make them expend all their energy, money, and venom. When we eventually do leave Iraq, I doubt we'll hear from Al-Qaeda again. They'll be totally spent.

Iraqi insurgents may fight on, but they'll be a lot less super-charged.

I was just reading Howard DEan's comments to reporters att the Vermont Democratic HQ, he goes on to call Bush incompetent....worse than Nixon
Why does name calling pass for political prowess in the DNC
Anybody can throw mud at an opponent, only real leaders can come up with plans and have the wherewithal to execute them.
Like Bush or not, it is a fact that he inherited a recession and we have a growing, stable economy with historic lows in unemployment rates, we were attacked and he is fighting back, what else would you expect from our Commander in Chief