The Movie is called "Loose Change" & a MUST SEE!
Watch it right on your computer as you don't need a theater:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q
=loose+change+video&hl=en
Then ask yourself... could both Towers fall in under 11 seconds from a plane crash in each?
Does Physics even make this possible?
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How could steel reinforced buildings fall inside of 11 seconds from the heat of burning Jet fuel, when they were designed to withstand such a crash & built much later than the Empire State Building, that had a Bomber crash into it & is still standing?
The point being, that at least I attempted to take in the information before expressing an opinion.
There are many that have their minds already made up, and they will never change, just scoff at any one that might question them.
Many planes have crashed into buildings in the past, but never has a building fallen like that ever known to me in history! Now when you are talking about a building designed to withstand that kind of crash, it seemed to me impossible! Yet it happened right in front of my eyes!
Now I am not willing to go "over the top" on conspiracy theories, but when we are talking about a reason for the USA to go to war, I do not put anything past the Administration, & definitely not "this Administration".
I mean it was Rice coming out right after this happening & saying Publicly "How would we ever known or suspected people would use planes?" When there is documented proof that not only were they warned, but had plans on doing such things themselves in past Administrations.
The question probably "should be" after you understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a plane to bring down a structure like that inside of 11 seconds, how was it done? Who did it? Who would want to do it?
I have always said that George Bush's Presidency when first elected, under such shady circumstances, was doomed for failure until 911 & he definitely had a rabbits foot in his pocket for it to happen, if he did not plan it himself.
Now there is lot's of proof that he has already lied to the American People. Just how devious might he be? Your going to vote. I think you should see this movie first.
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9/11 Mysteries (video)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
Loose Change, 2nd Edition (Recut)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501
9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=590053292130233240
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have at it.
even if you don't like bush, i don't think you have to subscribe to conspiracy theories.
It is impossible, against the laws of physics & again, only the luckiest thing that could ever happen to Bush's Presidency! They lied & were corrupt to get into power & they lied & were corrupt immediately after 911. They are still lieing & still corrupt! I hope every voter sees these films before they vote.
On a serious note, thanks for attempting to influence the American elections with your far flung conspiracy theory, stick to your own countries politics. If you really need proof that this exists only in your own mind, and a few others with nothing better to do than create a farce out of a tragedy, you can get actual accounts of what happened at the following sites:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
http://www.911-strike.com/NYTimes_WTC.htm
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
Unless you are some structural engineer who can disprove all the actual investigations and conclusions, please stop insulting those who died with such blatantly false theories.
The fact is, that there are video's placed all around the area that would have the footage & yet all that has been released does not show anything period!
Yet what we are talking about is the twin towers & there is no possible way that those towers could fall inside of 11 seconds, when a bowling ball in "free fall" could not make it to the ground in the same time, as it took either tower to fall!
I do not recall anything in the video that claims there was no plane that hit the towers! That is obvious they were hit! Anyone can see that! Yet the fact is that the towers were designed to handle not just one hit of one Jet, just of the same type, but could be hit by 5 planes & the structures would have still stood!
The fuel was not "hot burning enough" to do anything to the steel structure & it is virtually impossible to destroy the central core from such a fire, even if you wanted to believe the far out story that these planes brought down both Towers & Building #7 which was never hit period!
Now Steve ... pbs does not explain how the indestructible central core went down, even though they clearly over estimate the temperature the steel could melt or even sag! Watch the video's yourself & see the truth! It seems obvious to me, & I am just as intelligent as any normal person who might open their mind to do the same!
As for your cracks about Canada, we all have to live in fear on this Continent because of this crap you choose to swallow, & if you would take your blinders off... & watch the Video's Lo Tek left for us, you would have a really hard time disputing any of this.
NY Times: "The incredible energy generated by this blaze was estimated to be three to five gigawatts at its peak. A typical nuclear power plant generates about one gigawatt. All of that energy was converted to deadly heat that began weakening the steel."
University of Sydney: 'The fire wasn't hot enough to melt the steel'
"There has never been a claim that the steel melted in the fire before the buildings collapsed, however the fire would have been very hot. Even though the steel didnt melt, the type of temperatures in the fire would have roughly halved its strength."
'Why did the building fall so quickly?'
"The buildings did fall quickly - almost (but not exactly) at the same speed as if there was no resistance. Shouldn't the floors below have slowed it down? The huge dynamic loads due to the very large momentum of the upper floors falling were so great that they smashed through the lower floors very quickly. The columns were not designed to carry these huge loads and they provided little resistance."
Now can we stop....many people in this country died that day, and your insults do them no justice.
I made no 'cracks' about Canada, and have no problem with your country at all. We don't tell you how to vote, just requesting the same from you.
I don't agree with everything these people say on the other side, but there is one thing for sure! There is no possible way that a plane could bring down a tower in less than 11 seconds if the building was not also fitted with explosives! NO POSSIBLE WAY!
NY Times: "Under normal circumstances, fire suppression systems are designed to allow a high-rise blaze to burn itself out before the building collapses. But the report concludes that there were across-the-board failures in the towers' fire suppression systems, raising disturbing questions about the safety and integrity of other tall buildings in out-of-control fires. But the ultimate significance of those failures is extremely difficult to gauge, the report says, because of the extraordinary circumstances of the attack.
In fact, besides just setting the fires, the impact of the jets may have jarred loose the light, fluffy fireproofing that had been sprayed on steel columns, and flying debris almost certainly sliced through the vertical pipes that supplied water for the hoses and sprinklers."
Sydney: "The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."
And in the 5th point your true intent comes forward....keep your political opions north of the border....
Obviously you did not watch the movie, but if you watched the one he left us called Mystery 911, they produce all that evidence from all the sources you speak of. What remained of the WTC was shipped to China before it had a good chance to be examined, & it is not as if they were in a rush to build anything there, as after 5 years... nothing is being built! From the wreckage that was found, there are clear earmarks of explosive demolition as also explained in the movie... & you are yet to explain in any way how Building #7 (never hit) also fell just as quickly, which anyone can clearly see is a controlled demolition!
Now our Canadian Forces are in Afghanistan running after this Bin Laden, when there is no real evidence he was even involved anyway! Your forces are in Iraq killing innocent people for "God Knows What Reason" & it all begins with a VERY BIG LIE! This was an inside job! Hell even the supposed hijackers have been found alive!
Popular Mechanics' (.gov) sponsored dis-information campaign's 'chief editor', Benjamin Chertoff, cousin to Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security, which owes its very existence to the establishment version of the '911' attack.
Debunked: 911research.wtc7.net
Again: serendipity.li
Again: freedomisforeverybody.org
And Again: prisonplanet.com
LoTek
The air captured between each floor must go somewhere. The building was air tight until the plane hit. The explosion caused a pressure wave forced that was forced down the elevator and blew out the largest weakest windows on the ground floor. The debris that flew out from the building was a combination of compressed air and the outer walls having no lateral support. The floor is no longer there to hold the "tube" as the tube collapsed it was long thin segments. Stack 5 paper towel tubes in a column and thump the second one from the top.
As you can see in the video the windows in the upper floors were all still intact. The flames in the crash site needed oxygen and it appears that it was getting some through the stair cases and elevator shafts. When the collapse began debris could have already fallen to the sub basement, the smoke was forced down the elevator shafts and stairways. Which caused smoke to appear at ground level. Much like pushing a plunger into a syringe. The collapse increased in speed because after the first 20 floors began moving there was enough mass to instantly sheer the attachment points on the floor below which then added more weigh to the falling mass. The mass continued to increase with each additional floor.
Steel is strong, as long as it's limits aren't exceeded. Once the limits are exceeded it may as well be rubber.
What they called squibs. They are air pressure finding the weakest windows.
The wiring project could have really been a wiring project. We all know there weren't computers when the building was built. It would make perfect sense to add new circuits to handle the additional load.
The entire thing was speculation and science based on facts conveniently forgotten.
It doesnt bother me so much that lunatics such as yoursleves have created such far flung conspiracies, it was to be expected...the title of your article is what annoyed me the most.
I lost two friends in the towers, I was less than 3 miles from the Pentagon when it was struck...I am done arguing with such ignorance.
You look like a nice guy (I don't, I know)
But please get a life.
David you keep on going on about elevator shafts as when you said "The explosion caused a pressure wave forced that was forced down the elevator and blew out the largest weakest windows on the ground floor.", but sorry bud no go!
You see David the towers had 3 separate elevator rides to get from bottom to top. You go up so far & then walk over to another elevator that would take you another 3rd of the way & then walk over to another elevator to take you the rest of the way up. NO ELEVATORS WENT FROM THE CRASH SITE TO THE BASEMENT!
That throws most of your theories out the window, now explain then how a building so well constructed falls faster than a bowling ball in free fall from the same height?
Ahhh Hahhh... you can't! So as I asked in the blog, you have no answer & it is as I said... IMPOSSIBLE for a building of such construction to come to the ground that fast without controlled demolition. Again you have no theory on Building #7.
Now R.E. Bud... just as the USA was able to assemble the people to cheer & party during the pulling down of Saddam's statue... "now admitted as staged", it is fairly simple to get people to say anything. Sometimes you don't even have to pay them. Just let them know they will appear on T.V.
You seem to conveniently brush off the fact that the pentagon is equipped with anti aircraft weapons & tracking that are set up on "Automatic" unless someone turns them off & that there is "no way" a plane could get that close to the Pentagon. If you want to bank on eye witness accounts for such a ludicrous stance... then where is the video? WHERE IS THE BEEF? So many video cameras all over the place & yet the only video released shows NO PLANE! None.
Never mind that it is impossible for a Cessna 182 to fly closer to the ground than 15 feet at full speed simply because of aerodynamics! A Jet that size could not even come close!
Now if it was slowed down dramatically... it might do it, but the engines would hit the ground on its approach & there are no skid marks! No real amount of wreckage!
No bodies from the plane whatsoever? Most of the people in the pentagon who were killed by the blast had autopsies. Why not a bone from someone in the plane? Black Box anyone? How far do you want to go with this?
Oh & Bruce... thank you for your detailed description of your intelligent input.
The simple explanation on the speed of the fall Is it was not a free fall. It was more like a sledge hammer driving it down. After the top floors began falling 10 feet at a time the mass was sufficient to pound the next floor down and that mass was added to the pounding mass on the next floor.
There was no implosion as you can see the debris was blowing outward from the buildings.
Building #7 was the very same scenario. There were electric generators and diesel fuel stored inside the structure and oxygen generating equipment. Any one failure with an oxy acetylene torch would tell you the fuel oxygen mixture can cause intense fire. From the way the building sagged near one end it appears that that end was compromised by fire. After enough of the building had no support it had no choice but to collapse.
There is not a single question raised in the loose change video that can't be answered by the events that took place in plain view of the public. The explosions heard before the collapse started would simply be large chunks of floor sections falling, or parts of the steel frames falling down service shafts. The one building clearly shows 5 floors were cut through which would create large concrete and steel chunks that would shift and fall as the fires raged.
Again on the pentagon there is video of the plane actually hitting the building at very close to ground level. At the angle the plane hit nothing hit the ground before impacting the building. There is debris that was recovered from the site. The bodies were crushed and incinerated just as they were in the WTC. There were some small fragments identified by DNA and that about raps it up.
Next you will be claiming Katrina was really someone dynamited holes in the levies.
For the supporters of this Admin to think that the rest of the world, especially Canadians, should have no concern about what this country does in regards to who it elects, is a form of terrorism itself, as that is just what this Admin is perpetrating upon the world right now … in the name of peace yet !
Every time a half-baked conspiracy theory is presented or cooked up, it is always used to scoff at the presenters of all such, as if there was never the possibility of any conspiracy ever taking place. Most have been well indoctrinated by the mass media that is owned and controlled by corporate interests that daily practice their real conspiracy on us all daily. Those that will deny all conspiracy are those that defend what is going on.
I personally cannot conceive of anyone that seeks any kind of truth, that would not want to be aware of the possibility of their being conspired against. But then I am not a fearful conservative that believes everything my leader that I trust tells me.
As we are divided, we are conquered ! All of these polarized 'arguments' but further our division. Just what our leaders (controllers) seem to want. And if you think that it is just the puppet politicians that we know a little about, that are those 'really' in charge … you had damn well better open up to conspiracy theory … unless of course you really like what is being done to you … isn't ignorance bliss ? … damn those who would bring me a message to consider important truths … kill the messenger.
You see fire and smoke and say it couldn't have been hot enough. You see the top of the building drop onto the lower floors and start knocking them down. You say it wasn't heavy enough. You see windows being blown out of the side of the building by massive build up of air preasure. You say it had to be explosives. You see an apple fall from a tree. You say someone had to cut the stem. How smart is that.
The beems in the rubble the video makers clame were cut by explosives. Were cut with a cutting tourch during the clean up . the edges are jagged and unevel with slag dripping down the sides. They were cut in the position they stand in.
Some morons see a dent in the hood of a car. One person says a rock hit it, blown off a roof during a storm & the other says it was the kids playing baseball across the street & it was a ball that hit it.
Now comes in the third idiot who says "It had to be those damn kids & I want them out of the Community"! Then other morons join with him & make a protest so sure that the third moron was right!
Later when it is found out that the kids blamed on playing baseball were using a "tennis ball" to play with, yet that is not enough proof for all the morons that line up demanding these kids get out of the Community! Anyone who tries to show the loose rocks on the buildings roof next door are shunned!
They made up their mind "damnit"! They knew it was the kids & it is time to move them out! People egg the kids house & slash their parents tires & someone comes up with a video of the rock falling on the car & these people say "I DON'T WANNA SEE IT! ITS THOSE DAMNED KIDS & HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID?"!
Then when the next community hears of the strikes being thrown at the kids across the street & begin to see the morons for what they are & say "What the hell are you guys doing? There is proof the kids did not do it!" ... the idiots yell... "Your a Poopy Head & you don't know what your talking about! You never liked us anyway... look after your own Community!"
It just goes on & on, just as with 911. Yet for people who watch 911 Mystery, they can clearly see that a building cannot implode & fall down faster than a Bowling Ball can in free fall without controlled demolition! The rest are still screaming "Your a Poopy Head" as they refuse to watch the Movie & see the evidence themselves! Even if the floors could fall, the "central core" could not! Therefore it was not planes that made those buildings fall. It was planned & detonated explosions that did it!
Now we know what did it. Who did it & why? These people are still sure of who did it, although they cannot explain how it was done! They examine no evidence. They see no facts! They just believe their Administration & go on in their ignorance calling everyone else names who tries to show them the evidence that they will not look at. These are the people who refuse to watch the Movie 911 Mystery:
9/11 Mysteries (video)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
Your questions are answered in the Movie:
9/11 Mysteries (video)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
The WTC was not supported in the way you describe. Watch the MOVIE & you will see how they were constructed. There was no elevator in the Central Core! It could not have been destroyed by anything falling on it. Yet the wreckage shows how it was. Just watch the MOVIE.
For your well thought out & intellectual input.