So then the government uses force to overtake the principle industries of the country and cronies of the government are now given jobs running these industries making them even poorer and more mismanaged. International corporations leave, business owners leave, and the rest of the people are oppressed and ruled with an iron fist. Of course, the people now in charge will have all the luxuries while the "common man" gets stepped on. Look a Lil' Kim, in North Korea or Castro in Cuba.
Ah Marxism............. the unequal distribution of poverty.
Why did you choose Venezuela? Venezuela is a petrolist state. Thomas Friedman NYT columnist defines petrolist states as the states either with weak institutions or authoritarian governments that are overwhelmingly dependent for their GDP on oil.
The US and the rest of Latin America will never follow the Chavez model since our GDP's are not overwhelming made up of oil.
I believe what you are saying is as the poor get poorer we will turn into a socialistic state, i.e., Europe.
I guess I sort of see us moving more towards a Russian model. People here don't really respond well to public corruption but if we privatize it, give everyone the chance to share in it's ownership, then reintroduce the element back into the public sphere, then maybe it might slip past the slower members of society still thinking that the laws apply to everyone not just them....Hey, wait a minute...
But the poorer get poorer under a Socialist State too! They just have fewer rights and less chance at moving up the social ladder. Keeping the fruits of your labor! What a concept!
Eventually, fewer and fewer people will want to be productive because it's too easy living off the wages of productive people. SO WHY WORK? Let someone else do it, let some one else pay for it, or I'll pay a little and let someone else pay a lot. Eventually the productive people leave or stop working. That is if you can leave.
CUBA is so confident of their economic system that they won't let you leave!
I told some scruffy chinned kid with a beret and a "Che" t-shirt at a coffee shop in Eagan the other day that "Che isn't cool". He gave me a dumbfounded look. What a joke.
'Why did you choose Venezuela? Venezuela is a petrolist state. Thomas Friedman NYT columnist defines petrolist states as the states either with weak institutions or authoritarian governments that are overwhelmingly dependent for their GDP on oil. '
I chose Venezuela because the poor folks overwhelmingly voted for Chavez because of the need for a place to live, street repair and food.
And if that were to happen in the US where there becomes a greater need for those things the votes would probably wind up the same some day in the future, as I would see it, as the poor do have a vote.
The polarization is sure leaning that direction it seems ... the ever increasing wealth at the top with the ability to use the entire world as their 'home' never needing national loyalty except to butter their bread ...
And the little people all more and more alike, with no middle class as before, just a lower class squabbling for jobs ... maybe not so distant in our future as some prefer to think.
" The poor get poorer because they continually do things that made them poor in the first place. The rich get richer by continually doing things that made them rich in the first place."
It was just so incredibly deep and thought provoking I had to repeat it. Thank you for helping me to see the light.
How do you define Fascism, Jerry? sounds like when your argument is weak you resort to name calling.
Fascism? Like not allowing people to have the choice of whether to allow a legal product on their own property? A product that is government subsidized. Tobacco?
I think there are an awfully lot of very rich people in this country. I also feel the standard of living for the "poor" has increased steadily over the past 20-30 years. What shocks is comparing the rest of the world, the third world countries and their poverty. Then ours doesn't look so bad.
The people who fought for our freedom valued it, so they constructed a government that was intended to protect their newly won freedoms from criminal and foreign threat.
The original institution of government has morphed into an instrument to enslave us to its whims. The primary purpose of government (and of political parties) is now used primarily used to transfer wealth to its friends from those who don't pay their dues to the current ruling class.
This is not a Democrat vs. Republican rant. The primary difference between these parties is merely their list of friends.
Tonight President Bush is going to do something nice for one of his classes of friends called corn farmers. Those of us not in this class will be paying much much more, for not only our cornflakes, but eggs, poultry, dairy products, pork, and beef as well as all the the natural gas used to make this government moonshine.
You wont read it in the "news", which has devolved into a mouthpiece for one party or another but even today Mexican peasants (those not here illegally) are facing enormous depravation due to a 30% rise in the cost of their basic food; corn meal tortillas, tortillas made with corn largely imported from the USA. Mexico is already suffering under the misuse of food as an energy source. We will soon be joining them.
This is not a blast at Bush; since the next president will simply have a new set of friends that can use his power to get helped out. The Democrats have friends among both billionaires and those of more modest means too; in this respect they are no different than Republicans. The government is simply the tool of the winning party's repression of the out class. Usually it's the middle class who must live according to the dictates of an open market, the others hope their friends get elected.
I do expect political feedback from the poor in the US at some point in time. But I don't know when the fed up will rebel against this thing that we in the US call a government. But this rebellion of the poor against the wealthy will occur at some time in the future. Just as in France, and other countries, it always happens.
It will be ugly, ya know the off with their heads sort of thing.
When it happens, some of the most nasty will be today's neocon supporters who eventually wise up to how they have been duped ... (as if they did not allow it willingly).
I guess I'd sort of like to think our people would be intelligent enough to see the ballot box and alternative of removing political parties from excessive influence in a very good system of governance as a viable and less destructive option than the civil war / revolution like we're seeing in Iraq today.
I have no doubt that it would be a very terrible and destructive thing here, and unlike Iraq which didn't have the peaceful option when events turned down this poor path there, we do. I hope we can see our way through the marketing of the Crown Parties because change is gonna come.
They said it 200+ years ago and we will have to say it again, sooner or later, one way or another: "No More Kings". It's what our nation was founded on and the hope that prevails still, I hope we are intelligent enough to say it at the ballot box.
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Ah Marxism............. the unequal distribution of poverty.
Why did you choose Venezuela? Venezuela is a petrolist state. Thomas Friedman NYT columnist defines petrolist states as the states either with weak institutions or authoritarian governments that are overwhelmingly dependent for their GDP on oil.
The US and the rest of Latin America will never follow the Chavez model since our GDP's are not overwhelming made up of oil.
I believe what you are saying is as the poor get poorer we will turn into a socialistic state, i.e., Europe.
Eventually, fewer and fewer people will want to be productive because it's too easy living off the wages of productive people. SO WHY WORK? Let someone else do it, let some one else pay for it, or I'll pay a little and let someone else pay a lot. Eventually the productive people leave or stop working. That is if you can leave.
CUBA is so confident of their economic system that they won't let you leave!
I chose Venezuela because the poor folks overwhelmingly voted for Chavez because of the need for a place to live, street repair and food.
And if that were to happen in the US where there becomes a greater need for those things the votes would probably wind up the same some day in the future, as I would see it, as the poor do have a vote.
And the little people all more and more alike, with no middle class as before, just a lower class squabbling for jobs ... maybe not so distant in our future as some prefer to think.
" The poor get poorer because they continually do things that made them poor in the first place. The rich get richer by continually doing things that made them rich in the first place."
It was just so incredibly deep and thought provoking I had to repeat it. Thank you for helping me to see the light.
How do you define Fascism, Jerry? sounds like when your argument is weak you resort to name calling.
Fascism? Like not allowing people to have the choice of whether to allow a legal product on their own property? A product that is government subsidized. Tobacco?
The original institution of government has morphed into an instrument to enslave us to its whims. The primary purpose of government (and of political parties) is now used primarily used to transfer wealth to its friends from those who don't pay their dues to the current ruling class.
This is not a Democrat vs. Republican rant. The primary difference between these parties is merely their list of friends.
Tonight President Bush is going to do something nice for one of his classes of friends called corn farmers. Those of us not in this class will be paying much much more, for not only our cornflakes, but eggs, poultry, dairy products, pork, and beef as well as all the the natural gas used to make this government moonshine.
You wont read it in the "news", which has devolved into a mouthpiece for one party or another but even today Mexican peasants (those not here illegally) are facing enormous depravation due to a 30% rise in the cost of their basic food; corn meal tortillas, tortillas made with corn largely imported from the USA. Mexico is already suffering under the misuse of food as an energy source. We will soon be joining them.
This is not a blast at Bush; since the next president will simply have a new set of friends that can use his power to get helped out. The Democrats have friends among both billionaires and those of more modest means too; in this respect they are no different than Republicans. The government is simply the tool of the winning party's repression of the out class. Usually it's the middle class who must live according to the dictates of an open market, the others hope their friends get elected.
I do expect political feedback from the poor in the US at some point in time. But I don't know when the fed up will rebel against this thing that we in the US call a government. But this rebellion of the poor against the wealthy will occur at some time in the future. Just as in France, and other countries, it always happens.
It will be ugly, ya know the off with their heads sort of thing.
I have no doubt that it would be a very terrible and destructive thing here, and unlike Iraq which didn't have the peaceful option when events turned down this poor path there, we do. I hope we can see our way through the marketing of the Crown Parties because change is gonna come.
They said it 200+ years ago and we will have to say it again, sooner or later, one way or another: "No More Kings". It's what our nation was founded on and the hope that prevails still, I hope we are intelligent enough to say it at the ballot box.