Child Care Incident

I thought I knew my knots but I don't know what "dead lock" knots are. If it was obvious what she had done, of course you would expect the "teacher" to intervene. But if it wasn't obvious and Kyleigh wasn't complaining, I can see that the "teacher" might have reasonably been unaware.

...this is unacceptable from a Child Care facility worker. Totally unacceptable. The reaction was worthy of a scolding from you to that worker, and the necessary action on your part to see that it never happens again.

JOHN ~ I'm not so sure that the teacher was reasonable unaware ~ or unreasonably unaware -- I vote on the latter.

A person would have to be blind not to notice knots around a child's neck.

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I don't know what English word it is, but by "dead lock" I mean she tied knots one on top of another around her neck so I couldn't open the knots without using the scissor to cut it off.

Rene, thanks. I think the teachers were just not watching enough.

You said "threads", so I wasn't as sure as Rene is that it would have been obvious.

Hi JOHN and Selene ~ I'm back...

I see, JOHN you thought i was thinking like a little string or something ~ or NO, I was actually thinking "rope" -- and I may have been seeing something thicker than was the actual case in my mind.

Are you kidding me Selene? This is just so outrageous ~ seriously. Dead ~ lock KNOTS! You know what Selene and JOHN ~ in my mind I thought that it was like an actual thick (almost rope like something) around her neck. And in my mind's eye, I saw knots. I think I would have lost my mind on that woman.

Tell me Selene, who do you think actually put those knots around your little girl's neck? I don't think your daughter did that to herself ~ do you?

I just don't get the feeling that Kyleigh did that herself, and that is why I got so angry when I heard this. And, on top of that, the reaction of the teacher to what had happend was just outrageous. She was unconcerned, uncaring, and not apologetic about the situation. She should not have been scolding your daughter -- she should have been embarassed about what had happened, and scared that she may lose her job. Please tell me what became of this situation Selene.

Did anybody in that child care facility even SEE anything at all with regard to those knots being around Kyleigh's neck? Like her typing them around her own neck? Some other kid doing it? I really would be extemely cautious about that child care facility if they saw nothing at all. If kids can be in there typing knots around their neck or each other's necks, or whatever the case may be, -- that is alarming!

p.s. I'm rather dramatic when it comes to the safety of children. And I really never apologize for that, because somebody needs to be. Too much happens with little children these days. I just heard about a 3 year old who was killed in an accident (didn't have a seat belt on), and no parents in the car -- just young people...and so many other cases with different circumstances.

...I meant "tying" them around her neck -- not typing them around her neck (I'm sure you know what I meant) -- I must have typing on my mind -- I see I kept on saying "typing" knots around the neck in that comment above.

I'm going to type a knot around my own neck if I don't stop with the typos.

my apologies for being a zoned~out typer. geez ~

"No Kyleigh tied the string herself because she wanted to make a necklace."

oh my goodness! ~ well, now SEE how gossip gets started ~ lol ~ this is not funny JOHN and Selene.

Kyleigh wanted to make a neckace, and no one was watching her ~ well, I'm still mad, and I wasn't really clear that it was certain that Kyleigh had tied it and not any other kid.

Thanks for telling me that JOHN, because I was going on a real twist tangent about it all.

It is still upsetting to me though.

I am sure they don't have nearly enough help for the amount of kids.....after care is different.

I am sure they still have the teacher/student ratio they had to keep just like day care. There are 5 teachers (though I don't know how many kids they have in the room).

I agree with John, to a degree, but the teacher's offhand attitude is a bit scary. Isn't she supposed to make sure the children don't do anything dangerous? After all, that's why they're called children and the teachers are called adults.

That's what I thought.

Doesn't sound like you are overreacting to me. Watch what those kids are doing!
There were times when I was working childcare and I had more children than law allows....you have to keep your eyes on all of them!

Wow that must be tough keeping eyes on everyone.

I would see if there is someone above (such as manager) that child provider worker. That way you can explain what happened and how it upset you because you don't think it was handled properly.

Sorry this happen to your daughter.

I haven't called the organization because I wasn't sure if I was over-reacting. But it sounds like I should at least talk to someone else about this.

No you are not over reacting. Not when you have to use a pair of scissors to cut it out. One of the workers should have noticed that. You are very lucky you noticed it. It could of been alot worse if you had not.

Thanks for sharing on Getting to 3000 Together

That's really bizarre -- I would be inclined to get Kyleigh out of there permanently! Our Kalispell had an unfortunate incident at one day care center -- she actually flipped out of their arms and fell on the floor! So Ross moved her to a different center. What was the purpose of the string around her neck? When I first read it I thought it could have been that they were trying to bundle her up with a scarf when going outside. I would certainly ask a lot of questions and why are they blaming Kyleigh? Thanks for posting this and hope you get some plausible answers!

I agree. My mother ran a nursery school for 15 years. How many children were in the care of the caregivers? Here 8 children is standard. More than 8, and Mom would have had to hire an assistant.

No Kyleigh tied the string herself because she wanted to make a necklace. But it was way too tight around her neck and I couldn't losen it until I got the scissors. It's not the day care person who tied the string to her. But the way the strings were going around and around many times with so many dead lock knots, Kyleigh must have had to be working on it for quite some time, but no teacher was watching what she's doing.

There are 5 teachers but I don't know how many kids in the care room.

I am so sorry to hear Kali fell!! I would be so mad!!

I am not moving Kyleigh out because of this. I just hope they would pay more attention on her (or any other kids) and watch what they are doing.

I thought you said it only went around twice.

I don't think your expectations are too high at all!! It is the job of the care-giver to supervise!!! As for the care-giver's reaction, COME ON!! You could have done that yourself, by which I mean, you asked the care-giver to watch closer, and all she did was a symbolic scolding of a child, without actually taking her job into consideration. I'm 100% sure you were going to tell, or have already told Kyleigh, in a much nicer way, not to do that. I am willing to guess that you were asking the carer to do her job, but instead she just "symbolically" gave Kyleigh a scolding.

Children need supervision, and while children may be old enough to know better, they must still be taught, and reminded. If children were really old enough to know better, and did not need supervision, you would not be leaving her with a ceregiver. She would just simply stay home on her own!!! You are simply trying to prevent in a "care" situation, Kyleigh from getting into the kind of trouble ANY child would get into, unsupervised.

You did not expect too much, you did the right thing, and the caregiver handled things wrong!

You are correct. I was politely saying to the teacher/worker that she needed to pay more attention to the kids.

I did tell Kyleigh it is dangerous to do that. But how many times have kids do things they are told not to!?

Not only that, but it often takes time for things to sink in with kids, as to why they should not do them. We send our kids to child care, so that they can be supervised. Does this person have a boss or a supervisor, to whom you can complain?

If I were the teacher, or her mommy, I would have taken the time to explain WHY we don't tie things around our necks. She probably has no idea WHY this is not okay. She needs to know.

I sure did.

That's kind of scary. That teacher definitely should have stopped her, even if she is old enough to know better. And being the adult, she better know that's dangerous.

I think she's just not watching. All of them really. There are 5 teachers/

I agree, it is scary. It sounds like the caregiver was not doing her job, or the training was lacking.

Yeah I was just stunned that none of the 5 teachers noticed that Kyleigh was tying strings over and over around her neck tightly.

No, you don't. And 6 isn't necessarily old enough - I caught my 8-year old son trying to tie grocery bags around my daughter's neck. You can bet a month's pay I didn't just give a little scolding to - they lost all their digital privileges for a week!

WOW that is SCARY! I am so glad you caught it!

wow pull her out I know it may cost more yet get here into a better program

Ooooo that's scary! I'm happy Kyleigh is okay.