Marilyn Monroe was being monitored by the FBI for "ties to communism," as found in newly released files that were previously heavily redacted.
KXAN reports that Monroe's association with Frederick Vanderbilt Field was particularly troubling to her inner circle, including her personal therapist. Vanderbilt Field, who died in 2000 at age 94, was cut off from his wealthy family for his extreme leftist views. Field wrote about Monroe, "She told us about her strong feelings for civil rights, for black equality, as well as her admiration for what was being done in China, her anger at red-baiting and McCarthyism and her hatred of (FBI director) J. Edgar Hoover." It is not surprising that Monroe, like many celebrities, had a far-left ideology.
One interesting revelation from the newly released FBI files was that Monroe and other actors were seeking visas to visit Russia.
The FBI files were anticipated largely in part to determine if any further insight could be revealed about the cause of the troubled star's death. The circumstances surrounding the Monroe's demise have always been a source of speculation; However, no new details were given on that front. Monroe likely died of suicide.
Monroe married playwright Arthur Miller in 1956, who admittedly had associations to communism (largely progressively sanitized), so the assumption that Marilyn Monroe sympathized with the murderous ideology was not rocket science on the part of the FBI.
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Was she a Communist or did she have Communist sympathy's I doubt it very much much I see her as a vulnerable woman that many men took advantage of to get what they wanted. In that era the FBI would not have known what we now know of her they would have seen her as a person who because of her profession had ties to suspected and sometimes communists.
Maybe you need to learn more than communist history and the VENONA Project can teach you a thing or two.
You sound a bit ignorant when you act as if the VENONA FILES don't exist.
Since YOU decided to drop the name of William Proxmire I saw RED FLASHING LIGHTS immediately. William Proxmire, a democrat, from Wisconsin (a communist hotbed), a member of the Military Intelligence Service during World War II (who surely should have been well aware of VENONA) and a reporter for The Capital Times and a radio commentator for the Union Labor News. He chaired the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee and the Joint Economic Committee, and served as subcommittee chair on the Senate Appropriations Committee (WOW I'm smelling the roots of "Overwhelm the System") and authored the 1980 Bank Deregulation Act OUCH!!! ...also worked tirelessly on the Federal Communications Commission's Fairness Doctrine ...and opposing the Supersonic Transport plane (SST), the B-1 bomber and other military spending he considered unnecessary. YES, a likely communist view.
AND, last but not least, it just so happens that William Proxmire filled the vacated seat of Joseph McCarthy.
Gee Wil, who fed you the name William Proxmire"
I would say that you just tried to feed someone some MORE COMMUNIST HISTORICAL REVISIONISM.
"...it just so happens that William Proxmire filled the vacated seat of Joseph McCarthy."
I know! That's why I thought the quote was particularly appropriate.
"Gee Wil, who fed you the name of William Proxmire."
LOL! Fed me the name? Well damn, Ted, I guess I'd have to say the name was "fed" to me by....history. But I double-checked the quote the well-known commie propaganda generator--Wikipedia!
Oh, the Venona files! Yeah, they totally prove that Joe McCarthy was right when he accused Marilyn Monroe of being a Soviet spy! It's true! Glenn Beck (channelling the ghost of Andrew Breitbart) said so! LMAO!
McCarthy was a disgrace. The anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s and 60s are another shameful chapter of American history.
None of your links prove that McCarthy was right, Renee. The existence of the Venona files don't prove that McCarthy was right. He falsely accused a lot of people. Of 159 people named in McCarthy's various "lists", 4 were identified as a "Soviet Espionage Source" in Venona. Based on other sources (particularly the Gorsky memo), it's likely that 5 (maybe 6) others were involved in spying for the USSR. That means that McCarthy was, in the vast majority of cases, very, very wrong. And that's the truth.
And that's why I find it so ridiculous when people cite the Venona files as evidence that "McCarthy was right." McCarthy was a disgrace. He abused and falsely accused scores of innocent people. The anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s and 60s are another shameful chapter in American history.
Were there similar anti-communist witch hunts in New Zealand, Renee?
None of your links prove that McCarthy was right, Renee. The existence of the Venona files don't prove that McCarthy was right. He falsely accused a lot of people. Of 159 people named in McCarthy's various "lists", 4 were identified as a "Soviet Espionage Source" in Venona. Based on other sources (particularly the Gorsky memo), it's likely that 5 (maybe 6) others were involved in spying for the USSR. That means that McCarthy was, in the vast majority of cases, very, very wrong. And that's the truth.
And that's why I find it so ridiculous when people cite the Venona files as evidence that "McCarthy was right." McCarthy was a disgrace. He abused and falsely accused scores of innocent people. The anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s and 60s are another shameful chapter in American history.
Were there similar anti-communist witch hunts in New Zealand, Renee?
Nope. I just don't think people ought to be harassed, threatened, persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, or whatever by the government just because they're communists (or even worse, simply suspected or accused of being communists, or having "ties" to communists, or some other nonsense.)
Yet, you're NOT pro-communist? Just a simple American Communist Lawyers Union card-carrying member who is concerned with "rights" huh?
TRUTH.
TFN is an "Activists-R-Us" website, like all the radical websites you recommend and site as sources. It's well noted that they all have communist ties and follow the communist agenda. Not at all unexpected from you Wil.
Clearly there were communists in the government. But the vast majority of the people Joseph McCarthy accused of being Soviet spies were innocent.
There are women in New Zealand who sexually abuse young children, but surely you wouldn't like it if a member of the New Zealand Parliament included your name (your real name) in a list of child abusers, made public accusations about you, and used her authority as an MP to harass and abuse you, would you?
You wouldn't think such behavior was justified if, years later, it was discovered that of the hundreds of women, including you, named and accused, 3 or 4 of them actually were child sex abusers, would you?
Maybe you're unfamiliar with the concept of the presumption of innocence, one of the foundations of the American system of justice.
"Plenty is available from the scholars who spent years going over them."
Yeah, I know. I quoted one of those scholars (Klehr). His comments about McCarthy's tactics were pretty scathing.
".I never tied Monroe to the Venona Files."
And I never claimed that you did. I find it a bit bizarre that you guys so quickly jumped from Marilyn Monroe to Joe McCarthy to Venona. It seems almost Pavlovian.
"You're trying to dismiss Venona by saying that since she wasn't included, Venona is rubbish."
No, I'm saying that Venona doesn't prove that the absurd claim that "McCarthy was right", because the vast majority of people McCarthy accused of being Soviet spies weren't mentioned anywhere in the Venona files.
"...and Wil, your link to TFN Insider... who ONLY endorse democrats"
The Texas Freedom Network is a nonpartisan, tax-exempt, nonprofit organization that advances an agenda of religious freedom and individual liberties.
Good point, Sandy. The whole concept of "original sin" seems bizarre, but some of the more extreme notions about it are seriously nasty. I guess it's not surprising that people who claim to believe in such things would have trouble grasping (or even completely rejecting) the presumption of innocence. Especially if they also reject (and actively work against) the separation of church and state.
Was he right about claiming to have been a tailgunner in the Army Air Force in WWII? Did he ever produce his famous list of names?
While there were certainly Soviet spies, including Alger Hiss, people like McCarthy exploited the fear of the Soviet Union for their own gain. McCarthy made it up.
LMAO!
And we'll stay that way as long as it takes.
One was that an incredibly high ranked person in Castros regime in Cuba, slept with her regularly - at the same time she was seeing Jack, and Bobby.
I can not resist saying - she certainly had a small part of communism in her somwhere.
And you know predators smell things like this on a person and they use people for their own ends and she certainly was used by all her husbands and all her men friends. When you think about it its a wonder she lived as long as she did.
The FBI under Hoover was two organizations. It was a pretty effective national police force, free from corruption and good at catching criminals. It was also Hoover's personal power base. He used it for blackmail and just plain voyeurism. Hoover either was obsessed in an unhealthy (i. e. well beyond the bounds of reasonable behavior) way with communism or used the communist threat cynically to further his ambitions and support his personal power.
Was the CPUSA a subversive organization in the '50s? Kinda sorta. It got money from the USSR and some members worked actively under Soviet direction. They were also pretty inept. Espionage and subversion were features of the Cold War. We had agents and supporters in the USSR and its client states too.
Whether or not some celebrity was a communist or supported left wing causes during the '50s is pretty uninteresting unless the tabloid type shock value appeals to you. One of the misconceptions from the '50s and before that hasn't gone away is the difference between communism and the USSR. It was and is possible to be a communist without supporting Stalin and/or the USSR. It's possible to be a communist and be against authoritarian government. The Cold War was never a battle of ideologies. It was about great powers fighting for dominance.
Hoover indeed had another hidden side - being a cross-dresser is one example of it.
Tho, in terms of History - it is less and less of a smear. Most today simply would not care what he wore in private.
The communists would be more likely to smear him with scandals that will ALWAYS be 'scandolous'.
But maybe.
Hey - my favorite comedian in the world is a transvestite! (an executive transvestite as he puts it LOL).
First of all you're confusing Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and a few others with actual communists. Second, I think hundreds of millions is a bit high, by at least one order of magnitude and maybe two.
So when did this "Progressive Movement" start? AFAIK, there were the early 20th Century progressives like Teddy Roosevelt, the somewhat later Progressives in Wisconsin led by Bob LaFollette, and the use of the word in the last ten years or so to characterize people to the left of center. Oh yeah, there used to be a magazine called "The Progressive" that was moderately leftist but to the right of magazines like "The Nation" and the "New Republic."
AFAIK there hasn't been a progressive movement, i. e. an organized political group, since before 1920 except for the LaFollette group that existed in Wisconsin.
This is a perfect illustration of the difference between "communism" and "communism." There were a bunch of authoritarian states and still are a couple that call themselves communist. Marx and Engels would puke at the perversion of their philosophy. Anyone can call himself a communist. It's not a term that is precisely defined the way the standard meter is defined. Personally I think of a communist as someone who actually follows the teachings of Marx and Engels, not a dictator who calls himself a communist even though he ignores the most important parts of Marx. George Orwell's "Animal Farm" wasn't a condemnation of communism. It was a condemnation of the way Stalin and Lenin chose authoritarian government over the principles of communism. The pigs became like the humans, i. e. the self-styled communists became like the leaders of the capitalist countries.
I was always on his side, thinking he was falsely accused - shame he had to leave the country for decades etc.
I knew Woddy Guthrie was but honestly believed Seegers line ..... even went to see him in concert at the state fair with Ronnie Gilbert, Arlo Guthrie and Holly Near in the mif 80's.
Then read an interview with him where he admitted it all.
Did you know he also proformed for Obama in 2009, at the Inaugaration celebration with Sprindsteen.
They did the openly commie Woody Guthrie song "This land is you land"
As I said, I felt like a sap for believing him, when he later admitted it - somewhere around 20 or 25 years ago.