This started out as a response to a comment on my post. Since it is such a good question, I thought I would make it a post.
Here is the question:
Can anyone name what a McCain, or a Romney would have done differently in the Middle East? Do you actually believe that Romney, McCain & Associates would have stopped the Arab Spring, the takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood and the Libyan uprisings?
My response:
As far as McCain, he is a crazy RINO, I am actually glad Obama got elected over him. At least Obama's blatant constitutional abuses are so profound, many have woken up and people are paying attention to history and the founding documents (including myself).
I can't stand McCain - but I can say this - he was very worried about the Muslim Brotherhood.
From the article:
SPIEGEL: What is your assessment of the Muslim Brotherhood?
McCain: I think they are a radical group that first of all supports Sharia law; that in itself is anti-democratic -- at least as far as women are concerned. They have been involved with other terrorist organizations and I believe that they should be specifically excluded from any transition government.
Now, McCain lost me when he threw Michelle Bachmann under the bus for her very legitimate concern that that certain high-level roles within the government have not been given proper security clearances. But that seems to be just me.
Since Romney is running, let's focus on him.
First of all, I highly doubt the Mitt Romney would have supported the Arab Spring with the giddy endorsement the Obama administration did, supplying radical Islamic militants with weapons and crying "We Came, We Saw, He Died"! when Gaddafi was sodomized on the street and literally torn apart by the people who now have hold over the region, killing "Gaddafi loyalists" (aka Scapegoats) at will.
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Great Job, Hillary!  According to a report by Amnesty International, "Lawlessness still pervades Libya a year after the outbreak of the uprising which ended 42 year of Colonel Mu’ammar al-Gaddafi’s repressive regime. Hundreds of armed militias, widely hailed in Libya as heroes for their role in toppling the former regime, are largely out of control."
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Egypt: Was Mubarak worse than Morsi?
"For all his faults, Mubarak was credited in Washington with resisting three decades of pressure within Egypt to break the Camp David accords with Israel or loosen its alliance with the United States."
Morsi embraces radicalism and has even demanded the release of the "Blind Sheikh" - whose "detention has become a cause célèbre among hard-line Salafi Islamists" - you know who he is, right? The guy in jail for the terrorism attack on the World Trade Center. He also was suspected in the murder of the former Egyptian President - oh and he was good buddies with Osama bin Ladin.
Why would Morsi support the Blind Sheikh's release if he was an ally to the United States?
In Egypt, 100,000 Coptic Christians fled Egypt in the past six months amid persecution by Islamic fundamentalists, (many Christians being persecuted in the middle east).
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While Obama Supported the Arab Spring, Many on the Right were Concerned, including Mitt Romney
Back in 2011, Romney said,
“We're facing an Arab Spring which is out of control in some respects because the president was not as strong as he needed to be in encouraging our friends to move toward representative forms of government.â€
Romney's concerns were not shared by Obama, who pledged money to support the Arab Spring, drawing criticism (shared by Romney), that Obama was not paying attention to the ramifications.
So, it is only speculation where those countries would be today if Romney was in the White House. Now, assuming that with Romney's reservations, the Arab Spring - which he would most likely not have funded, such as Obama did - ended up exactly where it is today..........
So, what would have happened if, all things being equal, it happened to be Romney leading up to the attacks on the embassies?
Would Romney have missed 43.8 percent of his intelligence briefings? Who knows? If Obama went to the briefings, instead of hanging out with people like Letterman and Beyonce, he may have known that the group who likely murdered Americans "carried out several terrorist attacks within the last few weeks and also the killing of some Libyan officials, especially in Benghazi,"
and if he had gone to his intelligence briefings, perhaps he would have realized that "Senior diplomatic sources say the U.S. State Department had credible information, 48 hours prior to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya and the embassy in Cairo, that American locations may be targeted, however, no warnings were issued, no “lock down†orders given."
Now, it did not occur to Obama that even though there were recent deaths of Libyan Officials in Bengazi, that the always sensitive 9/11 anniversary was coming up, and the fact that the embassy in Bengazi itself had little security, nobody thought to raise any warnings. Â Would it have occurred to Romney? Who knows?
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The Aftermath
In a BBC Podcast, Martin Fletcher describes the scene. He said that there were two "striking impressions". One was how "poorly defended" the consulate was, surrounded by easily scalable walls and few guards.
So, four Americans were killed. To add insult to injury - AFTER the murders,
The other thing that struck Fletcher was:
"We were walking around what is effectively a crime scene, entirely unaccompanied, unescorted, free to go wherever we wanted; to touch anything. It didn't bode well for the investigation that the authorities have promised."
The crime scene was never secured. Would it have been secured under Romney? Pure speculation. And who have you seen asking that very simple question? Why has the crime scene not been secured? Simple question. Nobody is asking. It is likely that valuable evidence has been destroyed, so now we will probably not even get justice for the murders.
Chances are, the Libyans will blame "Gaddafi Loyalists" (aka skapegoats) and continue to receive $$ from the American taxpayer so that they continue to hate America and destroy their own centuries old shrines, (as has been promoted in a recent "fatwah" from some loser "cleric"). There won't be any accountability for the loss of their national treasures, count on that.
Just like there has never been accountability for the vigilante justice against Gaddafi.
Would Romney have stood for the YouTube Movie being promoted as the "cause" of the protests?
The stupid YouTube video is being promoted as the reason for the "spontaneous" protests, the MSM in the US is covering up the fact that the Obama Administration knew about this threat, and did nothing (and that it was never about the video, which was only used as a tool for incitement).
The protests were actually for the Al Qaeda guy that was killed in the drone attack in June and the release of the blind sheikh, the announcement went on on August 30 and there was a tweet on the Monday before Sept 11. Would Obama have known this if his staff was not completely clueless? Or perhaps they just didn't bother looking into it, since he most likely would not be at the intelligence meeting, anyway.
We already know that Romney did not have the same enthusiasm for the Arab Spring, so who knows where the region would be without America's $$ supporting the militants. Assuming that all else being equal, would Romney have gone to his intelligence meetings?
Pure speculation. But my guess is YES.
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Comments: 37
I mean, not that many people in these countries speak English (or even have computers) so what is the explanation as to how so many of them saw this clip as to create mass demonstrations?
I am trying to think of the article I read.... but it was basically saying that people mentioned a video, many of the protesters were aware of it but had not seen it themselves....
Sans McCain.
"The Socialist Alliance enthusiastically welcomes the “Arab Spring†revolts in the Middle East and North Africa and the exciting new anti-capitalist movements in many of the advanced capitalist countries which these revolts have inspired, such as the Indignado and Occupy movements and other European anti-austerity mobilisations. "
"Obama was all excited - the MSM was all excited, as were the Occupy people, and oh yeah, the socialists." -
Yes! Which was as effective as reading in The Book that this "Arab Spring" was complete RUBBISH. Yes...we are in strong agreement. The insightful knew what "theatre" this was from the beginning. Utopian-drunk dreamers (Leftists and pantywaists), just LOVE to believe that it is all about "love"....
'Truth' might have something to say about that...
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Which of the two idiots (and their followers in the "media" and at the Polls) would more likely have been enamoured with the wet-dream of a "successful Arab Spring?" ;)
The same question you've asked, really...but with a twist.
"Mark-John "Mr. Subtle" K."
What I don't like and cant stand is Clinton laughing and joking as to the demise of Gaddafi its in very poor taste and shows her for what she really is. Responsible human beings do not joke like that even when we kill our enemy's, the taking of a life no matter who it is is no joking matter.
And she gave a typical politicians answer by fudging the question even when asked the second time. What a sickening woman
I concur...there is nothing more solemnly and profoundly disturbing...Enemy, or no...
Graham, I think that with a stronger America, they may not be quite as emboldened. What do you think?
If your strong in your belief that you are in the right and if every citizen gets right behind their country when something like this happens instead of giving succor to the ones that have done this evil deed and if retribution is fairly dished out to the ones that have done wrong to your country then you will find that next time they will think twice.
I said these few words thirty years ago and some of the words reflect on your question.
When you are strong and decisive your enemy will always think twice before attacking you, when you are weak and indecisive your enemy will always attack you. When you attack your enemy, be bold and aggressive but always temper that aggression with mercy and justice after the battle, never be like your enemy before you who would enslave you and your countrymen who we have come so far to free. Do not fear them as they fear you, you are better than them in so many ways, always remember as you take the battle to the enemy in front of you on these cold slopes that right is on your side, be proud stand tall and do your duty for the world tonight is watching the outcome of this battle.
Now make your peace with the world before you and if you believe in your God say your prayers because as we take the fight to our enemy many will fall so that the people on this small island can remain British.
Three minutes later, we moved out of our positions and showed our enemy our strength and boldness and after hours of bitter fighting on the slopes of Mt Longdon they retreated to the safety of Stanley. Just over a week later, the enemy surrendered and since then although they have sabre rattled in the last thirty years have never come close to doing what they did in 82.
You have to be strong or they will walk all over you.
The Dems are worried that folks have started calling Obama "Jimmy Obama" and Romney "Ronald Romney". In other words, Romney would have shown strength where Obama shows weakness.
I find it kind of hard to envision him as having done any worse than O.
Would we have gone to the moon if Goldwater had been elected president?
Would we have fought in Korea if Henry Wallace had been elected president?
Would we have entered WWII if Wilkie had been elected president?
Would we have had a revolution if Strom Thurmond had been elected president?
Would we have had the Great Depression if Al Smith had been elected president?
This is the kind of thing that's mainly interesting for killing time or for people who enjoy alternative history fiction.
Who knows? Romney articulates a foreign policy based on saber rattling and jingoism but what would he be like if he became president and had to deal with foreign relations in the real world? Would he continue with a fantasy based approach to international relations or would he accept reality?
...no, I don't believe he will continue with Obama's "fantasy based approach to international relations" and I also believe he has and always has accepted reality. There aren't any stories of Romney on drugs.