Let's get this straight, when I say "only Romney," I'm not talking about the yahoos who still buy into & spin what Romney said in response to the massacre in Libya, or who criticize the President incessantly, no matter what he does/says. OK, do we get that part straight?!!
And, when I say "EVERYONE," that doesn't include the yahoos, either. Are we clear here??? I'm not debating what happened the night of September 11, 2012, I'm debating the blinders some people have on, with the facts right there in front of them in black & white, the headlines boldly screaming at them (see below), not 1 headline, not 2, but a multitude. Yet, what do they do, they spin, they twist the words to conform with their warped points of view~and they are warped, when you use name-calling and vile rhetoric and outlandish lies to get your point across...
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Let's take that word "spin," political spin, to be more precise, defined as:
Spin is cynically perceived as a form of propaganda: biased, manipulative and deceptive.
Hmmm, biased, manipulative, and deceptive. Perfect words to describe what Republicans are doing to win this election; perfect words to describe some of the outlandish posts seen on Gather; perfect words to describe some of the "hateful" (to use one member's fave word) people who SPEW ugly & unwarranted names at our President and other members, vulgar rhetoric, and vicious lies.
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I'm sick of it, I'm so sick of it, I had to do this post, and set the record straight. So for those closed & warped minds, those with blinders on, those who stand on their heads & spin wooden nickels (couldn't resist) this post isn't for you...it means YOU!!!
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Romney Criticized for Handling of Libya Protests, Death
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Romney, GOP Scrabbles After Ill-Timed Obama Libya Critique
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Mitt Romney Largely Stands Alone In Obama Criticism After Attacks
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Foreign Policy Hands Voice Disbelief At Romney Cairo Statement
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Romney Gets Bipartisan Scolding for Handling of Libya Deaths
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Foreign Policy Hands Rip Romney's Cairo Statement
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Note: I did take my time with this post, so hope all the links work~if not, they will be fixed at some point...
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Comments: 83
OK Vis, I'll bite, I haven't seen reputable info on this~if you got it, hey, my eyes are open!
I don't want Romney or Obama either one myself, but I am more into reading these political posts right now than I usually am to see just what others think.
Nope.
"...when NATO forces remove a leader by using a bayonet in a horrendous way,"
Uh-uh... The rebels in Libya weren't NATO forces.
Al Qaida (CIA's creation)
Absurd
And how can your policy oppose Al Qaida in one place and then turn around and support them somewhere else?
US Policy does no such thing.
But definitely the media consider Romney always guilty until proven innocent.
No, the media doesn't consider him guilty of anything. They consider him an idiot... but only because he is He made a typical Romney statement on this matter (stupid and off point), and the press pointed it out. Fools keep insisting his inane nonsense makes perfect sense, and the press keeps explaining why it doesn't.
Sums up the situation pretty well.
Long-time admirer of Maher - including his Religulous documentary. Enjoyed the vid, so thank you for posting this.
Dan E.:
Cannot a case be made that human male heterosexuality includes substantial feelings of misogyny? Judging from porn alone - never mind more clinical studies?
I even made a film about sex from the perspective of male heterosexuals. It showed up in a few theatres before going to YouTube. Maybe Egyptian T.V. will show clips from it and create some buzz? I think the crowds will go wild for it.
Until Egyptian television aired clips from it, and crowds in a number of countries went 'wild' over it.
I'm not familiar.
"Long-time admirer of Maher - including his Religulous documentary. Enjoyed the vid, so thank you for posting this."
He certainly knows how to shed light on important subjects. :)
Of course not.
While Rush is lambasted by the Lame stream media and nearly all of you progressives for calling political activist/professional student Sandra Fluke a slut None of them or you all are offended when Bill Maher calls Sahara Palin a cunt....Your snickering at Bill Maher's comment only highlights your hypocrisy as you act outraged by Rush's.
Slapping around some innocent Christians who answered him with goodwill not knowing his only intention was to belittle. No intellectual honesty, just cruelty.
A smug and shallow lightweight.
And by the by, I don't think that language is appropriate and I'm pretty sure it's a violation of the TOS.
No, no hypocrisy here.
Yes Tony you are a hypocrite just like most progressives.
"I'm pretty sure it's a violation of the TOS."
Well you be sure and check on that newbie.
Last I checked, Maher isn't a member of Gather, so he doesn't have to worry about the TOS.
"Gee how did I know the empty suite was going to try and justify Maher's misogynistic remarks? LOL!"
First off, it's "suit", not "suite" and I fill mine out rather nicely, thank you. Secondly, your comment lacks any substance, so I'll take that to mean you have no answer for what I said. Surprising.
"Well you be sure and check on that newbie."
If you want to get snotty about it, I'm sure I could have someone of authority check it for me. Keep pushing.
Deny it all you want I've watched you progressives do it for years and you are no different.
Push push push!
Nicknames, huh? How adorable. I wasn't referring to their statements, I was referring to the language being used in this thread. Reread the conversation for clarification.
"Your trying to justify Maher's misogynistic remarks is a reflection of your own misogyny as well as a sign of your hypocrisy.
Deny it all you want I've watched you progressives do it for years and you are no different."
Awww, more labels, I'm flattered. I'm not justifying anything, just using reason and logic. You should try it sometime.
I never said it wasn't found in their statements. If I wanted to talk about a rap song, I certainly wouldn't post all the profane lyrics, and then hide behind the assertion that I was just quoting the artist. That is, if I was trying to adhere to the TOS.
Which does not violate the TOS.
Deny deny deny! You can say what you want, it's there for all to see and your denial isn't effective when the proof is in writing.
To be honest, I cuss like a sailor, but I know there might be others reading this that might not appreciate that word, that's why I spoke up. When mingling with mixed company, it's always a good idea to keep a civil tongue.
Deny deny deny! You can say what you want, it's there for all to see and your denial isn't effective when the proof is in writing."
Really? Insults and unsubstantial comments? That's all ya got? How boring.
I know how to read and I read what you posted and it doesn't matter what you posted after that, what you posted was a justification of Maher using the C-word (in honor of the Lady). simple as that, and the rest of your postings has bee Bart Simpson style denial....'Nope you can't prove it Nope ya can't ya can't".
BTW,
Sometimes I engage in these discussions just to highlight how far you progressives will carry the denial even despite the proof being right there in front of us.
..."worthless dribble," Mr. "Reason and Logic?"?
No substance whatsoever...
What would the male equivalent of *unt be? Would that be misandry?
Or would the answer not be proof of misandry, but depend on other statements & actions by the user?
Oh, really? Well then maybe you can debate what I said, in a point-by-point analysis, instead of just making opinionated, irrelevant comments? Since Dan couldn't explain how Maher's insult was gender-specific, I'll gladly let you pick up the torch for him and explain to me how it is.
"Perhaps you should pay attention, Tony. Mark-John knows more about worthless dribble than anyone else on Gather, being its prime dispenser."
Heheh, I'll have to take your word for it, not having had too many run-ins with the man with two first names. ;)
"Does calling a man a *ick, *rick, or *lut intend misandry (hatred, dislike, or disdain of men)?"
Exacyly my point, and one that Maher accusers can never answer. Not to mention, it's not unheard of for a man to be called a c*** either, and that completely throws the theory of misogyny out the window.
Here's some headlines for yah!
"FNC's Kirsten Powers (democratic strategist) Slams 'Utterly Insane' Media 'Obsession' With Attacking Romney"
"Islam’s Media Apologists Keep Excusing, Ignoring Violence"
"The MRC@25: The Worst Media Bias of 2001
The 100 most biased media statements since 2001.
Just saying.
You don't use blogs?
You think you'd find something critical of the media anyplace else?
Oh! Here's another.
"Obama’s Horrible, Gaffe-Laden Week Goes Unreported"
Not when I want to back up my posts &/or opinions with facts.
For the uneducated, I could see where there might be a resemblance.
Which puts most institutions of higher learning to shame.
Laughs!
Who's laughing now, chuckles?
http://imgur.com/r/pics/7znnX
Looks like he was having a great time.
It makes you think. What if 9/11 had happened in 2000? Or 2004?
Stevens, et al, are almost secondary. It's not right.
They have the money, and they can afford to do whatever they are doing.
Frankly, a lot of things don't make sense, unless we are dealing with a sinister propaganda machine, well organized, by Goebbels himself.
We should not forget that since Reagan, the neoconservatives have been working in the background, and set up in place laws that would take a few decades to reverse. This could have not been done, unless it was well organized and based on goals that were supposed to be implemented over a long period of time.
Remember Tom Delay? He did not happen overnight...
I might have read too many spy novels and I might be corrupted by them, however if one analyses those years and the way things evolved, one can't find a reach a different conclusion.
We are at war. In a way we are in World War III right now. The difference is that the enemy is not a well defined state, as we are used to, but we have all elements of a war, besides the one declared officially... America has been going crazy before, it is what makes America what it is, and wonderful. However it seems that it has never been as divided, or at least as set against each other.
I have the feeling that we are in a new undeclared Civil War...
Nothing make sense. America was at war before. However it had never been in such a war, in which you wonder who are the real enemies.
I am sure that there were Republican Conservative during FDR. The country was in an economic depression like had never experienced before. The campaign was not really clean, however it was not as destructive as it is today, and when events happened, the partisanship was set aside for its survival.
It seems that today, all is wanted is to change the White House, and to undermine all efforts of defending the country, only to make a political gain.
Call me crazy, but I think that what Romney and the GOP are doing right now, at this particular moment in time, is nothing short of official, subversive activity against America...
Black, white or a mutt, Obama is the head of America right now, and in order to be effective at dealing with this situation, less hatred against him would be helpful. It is not that the GOP if fighting the Democrats. It looks to me, and to anyone who take a closer look at what is happening, that the GOP will do anything to get rid of the Black Obama, not the Democrat Obama...
I can't believe that at this time, when the world has to see unity in America, and a desire to survive, all we are doing is getting after the president because his genes are not "pure white"...
I've given this a lot of thought, but I have to come back to formulate them into words...As always Crin, thanx for your input!
Seriously, now seriously, AL, do you actually believe this administration would admit the warnings???? It would be political suicide for all powerful Dems...
They have no choice but to lie and spin.
Secondly, the FBI is investigating the attacks and STILL say it is too soon to 'blame' a video, as this administration has done, over and over, even noting it at the memorial service as the four dead arrived back in the U.S. TACKY!
Their preliminary reports note it was a forceful, PRE-PLANNED attack, due to the nature of how it happened - rockets et all.
Seriously, seriously AL, do you actually believe this administration would ADMIT the attacks were pre-planned and missed the intelligence "rumblings"???? Again, political suicide...
In fact, it is worse, the Department of State's report on this had been deleted - however, if you know anything, ALL deleted files are recoverable. Am doing a posting on it now...
Dereliction of duty by many, but the buck starts and stops with Obama, and CIC!!! Obama was OWOL at numerous intel meetings, this administration's OWN public records show this.
When the administration QUICKLY blamed a video, w/o investigation, without credible evidence, it should raise some questions, even by his own supporters! over and over and over they continue to blame the video even while investigations are on going. Guess we should call this as we see it, this administration has their own 'conspiracy' theory... *grin
Well, at least you admit the Dems have power, & the only way the Pubs can take it away is to lie their way thru the election campaign. And, the rest of your comments are full of holes~if there were warnings & you have links, where are they??? I'm not talking blog BS either, as those are strictly opinion pieces & don't offer any more evidence(credible) than your comments. You asked me this twice, & my answer remains the same.
Libyan president: 'No doubt' attack 'preplanned'
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981637551
He said on "Face The Nation". "It was planned, definitely." Is THAT from a blog?
If you are to arrogant and/or too lazy to look at my posts for the links, then the ignorance will continue to prevail.
Gather is a 'blog' with links, much like YOUR posts!
I'm going to Pinterest for some stress relief from brain-off lib/progs...
IF you KNEW that, you would understand the hesitancy to trust - they ALL get the same talking points... spin... propaganda... half-truths... then repeat and can call it brainwashing!
Figures about Pinterest... *grin