Maryland man is arrested: had 25 guns, plenty of ammo.

by way of contrast, there was a separate instance that did not end so happily yesterday:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/28/justice/indiana-shootout/index.html

59 year old estranged husband went looking for his wife. He then ambushed 2 police officers, killed one bystander, and finished up with suicide.
He was armed with a military assault rifle. That is starting to be the "chorus" for these incidents.......

both policemen were wounded, then took cover from his overwhelming firepower, and lived.

Scary that he had to advertise the likelihood of becoming a mass murderer before action could be taken.

true David. What outcome if he said nothing, or if nobody paid any attention? Pitney Bowes is shot up extensively with several dead, probably ending with the shooter sticking gun into mouth. That's the normal script.

Guns can be dangerous in the hands of people. One would think that we would be trying to find ways to reduce the danger.

instead we are trying to figure out ways to get EVERYONE to buy into concealed carry.
Well, I ain't gonna be one of them. If I wanted to carry a gun 24/7 I could always move to Syria.

Chris,

As for me, I have lived long enough that I don't mind dying. Besides, I might have to take care of a grandchild one day and it's safer to just not have a gun around the house. :-)

On the other hand, if I ever need a gun I don't mind getting one.

Larry - I agree with you stem to stern on that, lol!

PS - Already have grandkids... they are wayyy overrated except when they come to visit. Then I don't want to let them go home again :)

Mom wants to know where can she get the T-Shirt

the humor of the t-shirt escapes me, especially with 12 dead at Aurora and apparent copy cats day-dreaming.

I day dream often just with people I don't like dying and I tend to think about torture first. And here's the technicallity, one they don't know if he really is mentally ill, two, he didn't kill anyone, they caught him before he could make good on a threat and if I got fired in this economy I'd make threats too. Third the shirt is partly true guns don't kill people it's the person that points the gun and pulls the trigger. Don't make assumptions on an issue you don't really have all the facts on yet.

"he didn't kill anyone, they caught him before he could make good on a threat and if I got fired in this economy I'd make threats too"

Then you would deserve to get a visit from the guys wearing blue, too. Your attitude mystifies me, Hev. Please explain how YOU would address the mass murder problem in the USA. Apparently you would let everyone buy all the guns and ammo they want, then extend free speech rights to people making threats to murder others?

Even the Supreme Court has explained that free speech does not extend to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater without being taken into custody for creating a public danger.

If you want to make a debate please write another post you were writing about this guy. This one guy in peticular that was aprehended before a crime was commited. My thinking is actually logical if you want to talk about it in general like the mass muder in the theater or the one involving the governor in arizona I think it was. There are so many murders by so many people that one that got caught before the crime was comitted is only a small victory. As for my quote think about this in the economy we have now you loose you job you practically loose everything. Another job just isn't as readily available like it used to be and once the job is gone your car and house are next therefore why not make a threat get arrested and be assured three square a day, ac and heat, and a place to sleep.

did it occur to you that he might have been fired for behavior exhibited in the workplace? That is the sort of guy whose home might contain 25 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo, yuh know.

"There are so many murders by so many people that one that got caught before the crime was comitted is only a small victory."

If it were your life that was saved, Hev, it would be a big victory. In fact, it would be the most important good thing that ever happened to you. You seem to be singularly lacking in compassion. If it's somebody else's life saved, who cares?

Wanna judge me I have tons of knives and swords but I'm not killing anyone. And here it is again making a judgment when you don't have all the facts like I posted above. You can't make assumptions when you don't have the facts. You don't know him and you don't know the situation.

I think that many people do look the other way even though they know that someone is dangerous , on drugs, on a mean drunk...especially if it is a family member... Many loved ones want to coddle and make excuses for this person... All the while this one could be a walking time bomb... Many people are enablers Chris... We have become a society that thinks if we do a crime by going into a courtroom and announcing that they have a problem with drugs and alcohol that somehow this makes it much better or justifies as to why, they did the crime.... We need people to become responsible for their actions...

Also, we need a judge and jury to do the right thing and make sure they get the maximum... If the maximum isnt enough then the laws need to be changed to a harsher set of rules.. Prison shouldnt be a resort area...

I agree to most of your first statement, Vicki. It's a human nature problem, however, wanting to avoid unpleasant issues with others. Especially when these days in the back of one's mind is the issue- what if he is a nut case and he shoots me? It happens.

Second bit, I don't think it's about how draconian we can be in the courtroom. Most mass murderers never see a courtroom. they glide under the radar, do the massacre, then often stick a gun in their mouths. And they are afraid of nothing, because they do not feel human.

A hidden factor is many of these incidents is that the estranged persons have been diagnosed already, with the fiddling around with drug prescriptions that accompanies diagnosis. Going on and coming off are dangerous times for individuals. People often want to come off cold-turkey because of side effects.

You can search the information on Kip Kinkel for an example, and other cases come up, the last time I looked.

Data from the clinical trials that contributed to the massive rise in the use of psychoactive drugs have come under increasing scrutiny.

One of the first major studies was that of a British researcher who did a regression analysis, where, in addition to questions about efficacy, he also found a significant and worrying correlation with dangerous behaviors toward self and others. Beyond a black-box warning, this drastically cut prescriptions in Britain, especially for youth.

There is now a genre of books questioning the rise in prescriptions for the huge number of maladies in a book called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV (DSMIV).

The DSM process is under attack, currently, by a number of journalists and by an editor of DSMIV, Allen Frances, who has posted quite a bit in the Huffpost.

Most people I know are guessing that the legacy, ad-supported press will largely be unwilling to discuss this, although there may be some exceptions.

You have to put in medications with the search for a particular person to get medication information. Some websites are keeping track.

Here is a mainstream press discussion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/virginia-tech-aftermath-d_b_46280.html

Here is another link. I am not sure whether to characterize the New York Review of Books as mainstream press. Sort of?

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/?pagination=false