Obama/Romney/Clooney and Best President Money Can Buy - Jack Engelhard

Umm...exactly what point are you making?? Obama raising 15 million in campaign funds does not have anything to do with the economy. Celebrities have all the money anyway, so if he can find a few who support him, why not?! Receiving campaign funds is a normal process...that does NOT go into their own pockets, so how does greed fit in?? Maybe Obama's policies are more appreciated than Romney's. Wealthy republicans can support Romney's agenda, too but I guess they have no faith in it.

The recession is over because the stimulus the President signed into law a few years ago took positive effect.

I do agree that the wealthy should do more to help the country. So, maybe if we all send letters requesting that our GOP leaders support that agenda and NOT BLOCK IT, we could probably get things done...

Oh, but it does... I think Jack has made a very good point... If this country is so broke, how do the rich still throw money out there? Why not give it to the needy? The libs always swear that they are so generous and the the repbubicans are the ones who want to throw grandma off of the bridge. Politics should not have anything to do with money... Maybe, it should be judged on what is in a candidates heart instead of how much he has in his wallet... If we got back to the issues in this country instead of a bunch of celebs(who dont even know what reality is all about) then maybe, we could come to the aide of our people that are hurting right here in this county/
This country is still unemployed and those that do work do not have the quality of jobs that they once had.... Many people have to do more work for less pay and hardly if any benefits... Is this the America that had come so far as to give people a better quality of life? We still need jobs... We need good jobs... We need benefits... We need gas prices to be lowered.... We need someone in the WH that is not all about race to try to get him another 4 yrs... Or someone who takes on the hard issues of this country not someone who wants to be a tv celebrity , throw lavish parties, and jet set all around the world for many vacations... We need a president who works for this country not against it... There are more people on some sort of assistance than ever before, we have a president who has driven up our debt more than any other president... We dont need another welfare president... We need one that listens to the people and trys to solve some of our problems not compound them..then does a song and dance around them...If he wants to be a singer, then he should of taken singing lessons and left the presidency for a decent person who took the job seriously...

Well said, Vicky W. Really well said!

Vickey W.


Oh, but it does... I think Jack has made a very good point... If this country is so broke, how do the rich still throw money out there? Why not give it to the needy? Or why not ask the rich to pay higher taxes as the president suggested instead of making the middle class and poor pick up the tab AGAIN. I agree with this portion as previously stated

The libs always swear that they are so generous and the the repbubicans are the ones who want to throw grandma off of the bridge. Well, the libs are trying to get the rich pay more and the republicans are protecting the rich...Why does it seem we are agreeing but it is still turned into a debate???

Politics should not have anything to do with money... I also agree, however, in reality it does

Maybe, it should be judged on what is in a candidates heart instead of how much he has in his wallet... Well, when a person supports Obama for this very reason, those on the right get ANGRY. AGAIN...I agree

If we got back to the issues in this country instead of a bunch of celebs(who dont even know what reality is all about) then maybe, we could come to the aide of our people that are hurting right here in this county/ AGAIN...I AGREE! The celebs come in because most campaigns need money to survive. They have money and they throw it at whom ever they support. Its not to say that the candidate is bought. In most cases they are, but, we cannot assume, either. Some celebs do have a passion for political issues so they throw their support behind any candidate who share their concerns. ITS NORMAL. If Romney cannot find a celeb's support to save his life, then that's his own fault.

This country is still unemployed and those that do work do not have the quality of jobs that they once had.... TRUE

Many people have to do more work for less pay and hardly if any benefits... Is this the America that had come so far as to give people a better quality of life? We still need jobs... We need good jobs... We need benefits... We need gas prices to be lowered.... We need someone in the WH that is not all about race to try to get him another 4 yrs... You sounded good until you got to the part of WH...You see, someone in the WH IS TRYING to get America the things we need. Its your GOP BLOCKING every piece of beneficial legislation. You had a very valid point up until you blamed the wrong person. If you feel Obama is doing this for another term, what do you think Romney is doing? Especially with his bad track record on killing jobs, against most women's issues, etc

Or someone who takes on the hard issues of this country not someone who wants to be a tv celebrity , throw lavish parties, and jet set all around the world for many vacations... We need a president who works for this country not against it... Name ONE THING Obama has done against this country besides being the first African-American president. Everything you named is what he has accomplished, so what is the real reason here...LOL

There are more people on some sort of assistance than ever before, we have a president who has driven up our debt more than any other president... We dont need another welfare president... We need one that listens to the people and trys to solve some of our problems not compound them..then does a song and dance around them...If he wants to be a singer, then he should of taken singing lessons and left the presidency for a decent person who took the job seriously...
And Obama hasn't? PROVE IT...because I know you are not telling the truth

What are you bellowing about Vickie?? We have a president who fights for Americans EVERYDAY. You just do not like him. You are willing to cut off your nose to spite your face which is DOUBLE DUMB in my opinion. If you are willing to castrate someone who has done good just because he doesn't look like you, to replace him with someone who mean you no good because he looks like you, that is the dumbest thing in the world to do. Name ONE JOB Romney created? I can name over 500,000 he destroyed. Name one Job Obama created? I can name over 1,000,000 but caNNOT NAME ANY HE DESTROYED. You have to look at the facts

We aren't, as a country, broke and never were. As a side note, China holds a whopping big 8% of our national debt. We do need to do more to get our money circulating in our economy instead of having individuals and corporations hoard/offshore as much money as they can. Still waiting for the "job creators" to create some jobs here in America. We've appeased them enough with major tax breaks, subsidies and remarkable lax enforcement of regulations. It's past time they held up their end of the bargain.

when the constitution was drafted it was arranged that the winning candidate became President and the runner-up became Vice President. there is language in the record that shows several of the framers actually did this so that the country would have the service of its best and second best men.

I have no idea how I am going to vote....if at all...but one thing I noticed as the years have passed is that the "best" people want nothing to do with the irrelevent scourging and character assassination that goes with running for high office. nowadays the ideal is somebody with no past. None.

Today we would never get a JFK. he used to say he'd get headaches if he didn't have [extra-marital] sex daily. then there was that poor governor of New York who had to PAY for sex. damn. his lowliest state trooper never had to pay for sex....but i digress.

I know this is sort of off the point but all that money going to...uh... the candidates that run for president these days just kind of adds to the farce.

Right on John. And Jack, I'm with you, I can't figure the figures these days either. Sense had gone to cents. Even so I'd rather have sense. Sometimes In broke all over. And our country is broken in many sad ways.

Yes it is. To paraphrase Lord Grey, the lights have gone out all over America. We shall not see them relit in our lifetime. It was on the front end that we got to witness the greatness of this country. The sad part is that with all the changes that were intended to bring about a more open and egalitarian society, people are less happy than they were 50 years ago. I think much of this unhappiness is engineered by some well-known agitators to keep the pot boiling so as to remain prominent… Clearly, it beats working. What a shame.

thank you Linda and John...sad that others don't get the point...that when we choose a president as if it were an auction, the winner going to the highest bidder, we're in trouble as a civilization...Lincoln would have no chance today...

Yes, were in trouble as a civilization.

Yes to what John said about well known agitators.

It's sad how easy it has been for them to infiltrate, and how easy it is to miss a point when it comes too close to undermining a needed falsehood. Thanks for condensing your point to even more balsamic clarity, but out still still be missed

Made some typos in both my posts, but no time to clarify... , continuing... still be missed IF readers need to miss it.

Jack and I have had occasion to compare the immigrant vs homegrown perspectives on Americana. As a Marylander I probably have a different conception of Lincoln than most....

to illustrate: the year is 2014 and B. Hussien Obama is hard at work on a constitutional amendment to repeal the two term limitation on the presidency. The Wyoming constitutional convention is set to vote on the amendment.

B. Hussien Obama gets word the measure will not pass. He orders the 11th Airborne to Cheyenne. Several members of the would be majority are arrested and thrown in prison. Attempts to file habeas writs are foiled as federal soldiers seize the documents and tear them up.

The remaning delegates meet and Wyoming enthusiastically endorses ther "President for Life" Amendment.

This is exactly what Lincoln did in Maryland.

ALSO....

Lincoln's strategy for winning the war consisted of throwing waves of federal soldiers against the Confederate lines. casualties were enormous as even the poor wounded federal soldiers were likely to die after limbs were amputated without pain killers.

If I were the parent of a federal soldier I would be OUTRAGED at this disregard for the lives of the individual troops. As you know I have had experience as the parent of a federal soldier in combat and I thank G-d Lincoln wasn't in charge.

Lincoln was one of those people who practiced the principle that the end justifies the means.

does B. Hussien Obama?

can we fault him in light of our history?

The despot's heel is on thy shore...
Maryland my Maryland
his torch is at thy temple door
Maryland my Maryland
AVENGE THE PATRIOTIC GORE
THAT FLECKED THE STREETS OF BALTIMORE
and be the battle queen of yore
Maryland my Maryland
AMEN

Boy did I stray from the topic. Sorry Jack. As you know O'Reilly, who would like to see us all living under underpasses if we had the nerve to be disabled even while in federal service [me], idolizes Lincoln. I've been DYING to get this off my chest as my wife insists on watching him.

This wasn't supposed to be about Lincoln, John...sorry I brought it up.

I'm sorry i got off point Jack. the one relevant point tho is that our history hAS its share of shady presidential dealings. I'm one of those people who NEEDS TO KNOW how bad things really are today. I'm tempted to say we've never had it so bad, but then the last half of the 19th century had some pretty awful moments and I wonder if maybe like then, this is just a phase. I don't know, I am just asking.

I hope it's true. As a Catholic I am truly fearful that official persecution of the Church will begin in 2013. I am very frustrated that once again the media controlled who the republicans nominated when they have some of the most capable men in the country.

first McCain...now Mittenhead.

Yes... I am "sore afraid".

yes we both view the past personally...and true there have been those "awful moments" from one generation to another...also true that each generation thinks it's "never been worse."...for me history begins with Auschwitz...or rather, 1932, Europe...and I see signs of history repeating itself to that year...the signs are all over the place beginning with a president who for two decades sat under a preacher who spoke vile against America and Israel...I tremble at a second term.

I agree absolutely on all counts, Jack.

yes, Jack, I see that too. and the stage is set to include Catholics as well. the Archbishop of Chicago has publicly stated that he believes the next archbishop will die in prison. My 'president for life' metaphor was not tongue in cheek.

but this is even more why I despise the nomination of a nitwit like Romney.this was NOT the time to do a McCain and ensure defeat.

it makes me sick but the republicans fiddle while Rome burns. whaT a time to turn on the poor, the disabled. the first thing those tea party swine in Congress do is figure where to cut medicare and social security while they pocket their criminal salaries.

I can't ignore these things. So I remember what the Irgun terrorist said in EXODUS. "if every Jew had met every Nazi with a gun...."

Like July 31, 2010...I'm not going quietly.

G-d help us all with a special blessing to you Jack. I've said before I just can't IMAGINE how awful this is for you.

Honestly, you can buy people books , send them to school and they still eat the covers...lol

Good comments, Vickie....tho I like my book covers and would never eat them.

What i fear from your side of the fence is the denial of benefits to those who earned them, when gangsters in congress make unconscionable salaries and have voted themselves pension arrangement that are nothing short of criminal.

I do apologize for rambling. As Jack knows tho, I try to forget about politics except when my blood pressure demands a blowoff.

Bless you and your good thoughts.

Money has bought every President since early in our nation's history. No surprise there. That's what money does.