If gay marriage is good, what about pedophiles and incest? Pedophiles believe it is there right to love. Who are we to say sex between an adult and a child is wrong? Where does it stop?
What is happening is we have lost morality and the President of the United States has taken a sacred tradition and said sure do as you please. Where does it stop?
It stops at my door. We know sin when we see it, but when it benefits us, we say it's love. Do you think pedophiles will not claim there right to their sexual orientation? There will be a price to pay when we mock God's laws.
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The pedophilia is involving children who's decision making has insufficient experience to be accepted, especially with regards activities which can have terrible consequences if mishandled. Children are rightly not allowed to make certain decisions.
Homosexuality as practiced by consented adults is the responsibility of those who participate.
I thought you could perceive such a difference for your self. Little did I realize that you could not tell why the one was acceptable in our law and the other was not.
If you wish to argue morality on the basis of religion then you must specify the religion since various religions have had different positions on these issues.
Gay marriages are between two adults, who want the same as what I have, the right to see a dying husband, or benefits from her job. Pedophile take the innocents of a child, who they(child) know no difference,, now incest, again with adult and child it like the above, with two kids they dont know unless taught the truth..
I think adults people who love each other, should have the right to benefits all from that love, I would hate to have someone tell me I could not see my dying husband.
Of course.
The bigots need to learn to think about that ...
Are not
This is not only question of < strong>consenting adults opposed to - usually -"men abusing children" but, in your mind, it seems to concern any other sex position detailed in the Kamasutra which do not fit into your brains.
You recall me that some years ago a French sexologist came to Geneva (Switizerland) to extend a conference on sex habits ... and to open an bank account.
However the 8:00 AM flight has been cancelled bacause of the Pilots strike;
the flight of 9:00 has been cancelled due to a strike initiated by the Stewards
the flight of 10:30 AM is being cancelled due to unexpected strong winds, ...
So the professor finally decides to go to Geneva running his car, feeling that he could make it this way, before the banks closing hours (4:00 PM) as 5 hours running is the limit thanks to the high ways.
He went running the faster he could, got 2 fines for speeding and reaches the bank at 4:01 PM.
Swiss precision. Doors closed.
He get disappointed, angry and exhausted so when the conference starts he tells the many, many attendants that he would like not to be interrupted and that he will be willing to answer some "few" questions after the expose.
So he starts: There are 44 different ways to make love
... and from a seat quite far from him a voice utters : 45!
I repeat, he said already angrily, I beg you to avoid any interruption:
- So there are 44 ways to make love!
... and from the same seat, the same voice utters : 45!
Another interruption and I leave, the professor uttered very angrily, I DON"T WANT TO BE INTERRUPTED. OK?
So, he started trying to calm down, - there are 44 ways to make love.
The very first one, is when the man holds and kisses the women lying over h ......
but he couldn't finish: the disturbing voice was already uttering:
46 ... I was not aware of it!
Maybe, before talking about pedophiles and pedophilia, you should, Carol, visit some Indian and Japanese exhibitions. Some variation may drive some happiness to you.
Among adults, my own one is "do what your partner(s) like, if I like it as well" or, if you prefer, "enjoying your partner pleasure is love".
1. we do lack statistics from other (non white) countries
2. We have not the same age set for becoming adults than many other countries (in many countries a girl between 5 and 18 can be married. A lot are married at 12-13 in ME and Eastern countries).
I heard often that girls of 5 (five) years old were already pregnant when I was in South America.
It seems to me that your statement goes a bit too fast. Altogether the Judeo-Christian people barely exceeds 1 billion in regard to the 7 billions of the planet.
In Africa, per ex., girls of 13 are often pregnant and somegirls I met in Africa, South America and even Italy told me that they have been raped at 12 up to 15 (usually by family members).
On the reverse side, the question of how many young boys have been raped, either by women (could be even conventional* after 14 usually) or, worse, by men (sodomy) is completely ignored.
Conventional: An agreement due to society pressure which considers that a boy should not be scared when practicing a sexual act. This goes usually after his religious confirmation and is usually performed by members of the family.
Interesting to note that such compelled social convention has its far more painful equivalent as far as females are concerned: the excision,on the "excuse" of much less desire and as guarantee of fidelity.
Pedophilia, as an example, has been penalized relatively recently : "Pedophilia was first formally recognized and named in the late 19th century." (Wikipedia).
So I don't get your reference to the Bible which, IMO (LOL), is a bit older, and describes other ways you may enjoy.
What about them? The problem with incest, and it's probably a legitimate social concern, is the effect of lethal or damaging recessive genes on the offspring. OTOH, inbreeding is a common technique in animal husbandry. What most people in the US today would consider incest was permitted in other societies. In some places, e. g. ancient Egypt, people in the royal family were expected to marry siblings. Hemophilia among royal families in Europe during the 19th century was very common due to what we'd think of as an unacceptable degree of inbreeding.
Pedophilia is about the abuse of power. Small children can't defend themselves. Forcing children to have sex with adults is similar to beating them over the head with a club. Societies have differed on the definition of pedophilia, or at least at what age people may have sex. Arranged marriages in some societies have involved at least one partner being well below what we'd consider the age of consent today in the US. In the past some US states have permitted marriage with parental consent at ages much lower than most people would consider acceptable today.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794584/posts
There are comments on Gather where gay rights supporters also want age of consent laws done away with. But like I said, I'm not going trough months of comments and link to all of the articles.
I also don't appreciate you calling me a liar. Pretty sure that's a violation of Gather's Terms of Service. Odd coming from you who has had numerous conservatives booted from Gather for violations of Gather's TOS just because you disagreed with them.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981151365
Timothy V. May 15, 2012, 12:17am EDT
Well, I didn't have to go back too far after all. You can also find a couple of comments right on this thread. Check out some of Gilbert's comments.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981151365
That article is about the ultra sound law in Virginia and Gilbert didnt even comment on it...opps you must have put up the wrong link.
As for the rest total nonsense as usual.
Lori, I said to check out Gilbert's comment on this article....not the one that I referenced. Try to keep up here.
If God had intended for the same sex to marry, why, does he say to go out forth and multiply? Why, did he design the woman to have waazues, and men to have shrinky dinks? You cant have children one without the other... It just doesnt work that way, so I would think this should be evidence enough...BUT then again, when does anyone pay attention to the BIBLE? There was a time in this country that it was a big scandal to get knocked up and not have a daddy, no big deal today... at one time it was a scandal to get knocked up and not know who the daddy was but with alot of woman on welfare this became the norm due to them NOT wanting the welfare to go after the father for child support and of course, there are the woman who really didnt know who the father was as they were having sex with anyone they chose too, because they were liberated and could act as a man does and do it with as many partners as they wanted to... At one time these same woman would of been called whores or sluts but not so much today...AND YES, there are perverts out there that think having sex with young kids should be allowed... Many forget that we are not of olden days, we should have evolved but it seems that in some ways, when it comes to sex, I dont think we have evolved that much... Wasnt it the Greeks in ancient History who had sex with young boys?
ACLU defended pedophiles and they defend gays. Pedophilies are also protected under the Hate Crimes Act.
It's the Overton Window being flung wide open. Except Obama's stance on gay marriage has lost him some voters, so who is right and who is wrong?
And, priests and schoolteachers do not become pedophiles; pedophiles become priests and schoolteachers.
Some islamists also have sex with minors, boys and girls.
Here let me help you out though.
One very remarkable thing about Mary is that she would almost certainly have been 12-14 years old when the angel Gabriel appeared to her. We know this because the common custom at that time was for girls to marry early, at that age. The Bible never gives Mary’s age when she got pregnant or gave birth to Jesus, and that is because when something happened that was common in the culture, nothing was said about it. We write the same way today, leaving out any details that everyone knows by custom and culture. If we read in the newspaper that a thief drove down the road for miles while being chased by police, we do not think, “Drove? What is ‘drove?’ I wonder how he got down the road all that distance?” We all know what “drove down the road” means, so we exclude the details when we write about it.
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1168
How can one be so ignorant and think they know so much?
Why do you think the Iran nutjob says there are no homosexuals in Iran? They kill them all.
Yet you don't see a difference in people who believe marriage is between a man and a woman from people who hang homosexuals?
WOW!
As you pointed out, unintentionally I am sure since your critical thinking and reasoning skills dont support that you did this on purpose, is that BOTH Muslims and Christians persecute gays for their way of life.
And while the Muslims is state sanctioned Christians just act as vigilantes think Matthew Shepard.
When was the last time a gay man was thrown in jail in America for sodomy?
You do know that DOMA is not a Christian concept. It's the law of the land signed by Billy Boy Clinton himself.
I must have missed the part in the story that said the boys that killed Matthew Shepard were ALL Christians.
Do you realize that you talk nonsense, further making yourself look like you don't know what you're talking about?
Michael Hardwick was a bartender in a gay bar in Atlanta, Georgia who was targeted by a police officer for harassment. In 1982, an unknowing houseguest let the officer let into Hardwick’s home the officer went to the bedroom where Hardwick was engaged in sex with his partner. The men were arrested on the charge of sodomy.
Bath houses were shut down to save lives.
Why don't you check the timeline before you comment? Unless minors were involved and then that's called something else altogether.
Your knowledge of the subject of sodomy is...rather creepy.
What was preventing 16 or 17 year old boys from entering that theatre?
I'm not the one who had exact dates and places. YIKES!
Anyway I am leaving this conversation it is getting too weird with your obsessions. There is help out there.
Now that's a downright silly statement.
We all want to protect our children, no matter where we live in the world or which religion we may have. However, pedophiles have always been around through the ages across the globe, but that doesn't mean a society will or should sanction it.
The poor and the unprotected or plain unlucky children have always suffered. Selling your child is still a desperate act, poor parents have resorted to this practice.
Looking back over the centuries it is clear that the socially acceptable age perimeter for girls for instance to be married has changed significantly.
At 12 years of age neither boy nor girl would really be considered a kid, they had the life and responsibility of a young adult in our society and to this day they still do in poor countries.
The morality lies in the question of consent between two adults, a child cannot make that decision, but even a child knows it's wrong to be forced into a sexual act.
There are those who believe sexual orientation covers pedophilia. Just research it.
And I believe pedophiles should get the death penalty, just so you know where I stand on THAT sexual orientation.
It's a slippery slope they went down and we do need to ask, "Where will it end?"
Yes I agree most are far right wing organizations
DOH!