Amanda Knox Smeared: Father of Murder Victim Speaks his Mind

Plumber, above, could just as easily be another PR operative as not. (-;

Just like CBS, ABC, Google, Wikipedia, Gather, CPJ.... who else have I missed, Kate??

Those you name are pr victims, if you like. Used.

"Hopefully justice is eventually served for the Kercher clan. It must be absolutely unbearable to not only lose your beloved daughter, but to see the trial surrounding those responsible turn into a veritable circus sideshow."

It must be absolutely unbearable to lose your daughter in such a horribly brutal manner and witness the murderer's parents on TV, repeatedly lying and twisting the story to the PR mouthpieces, who love to sympathize and ask, "How's Amanda doing?"

It must be absolutely horrible to lose your daughter in a horribly brutal manner and then have the quest to find her justice needlessly dragged on for four long years, spending precious time, effort, angst and money prosecuting the wrong people - in vain - after being lied to by an Italian justice system and your own lawyer, who should have put your interests first, but instead put their interest of preserving their own pride and "honor" above all else.

Eventually, they will know how horribly abused they were by the Italian justice system. Unfortunately, their heartache isn't going to subside for a long time. Let's all pray that cassation requests a retrial. It's the only hope for justice.

True justice for Meredith - increase Guede's sentence to the sentence he should've gotten 4 years ago, and stop spreading the lies that overshadow Meredith's memory and keep the focus on two people who were not involved.

It's YOUR lies that cause disturbance.

They weren't abused in any way. It's all a pack of lies the PRs use to distract from the truth.

You must claim a conspiracy by crooked officials. Pack of lies.

Woof woof

Appalling business.

Who wasn't abused? The Kercher family? They most certainly were abused by the Italian justice system who botched this investigation from the very beginning. Guede left a bowel movement in the toilet - that is the single most abundent and most easily tested form of DNA you can get. They could have had results on that DNA within 24 hours, he could've been apprehended before fleeing to Germany, and we wouldn't be here discussing this right now.

The Italian justice system is absolutely to blaim for the horrible, tragic mess that this family had to endure over the past 4 years. Guede murdered their daughter, he sexually assaulted her, and he robbed from her, and thanks to Italian justice, he will be eligible for release in as little as two years - THAT IS NOT JUSTICE. THAT is appalling.

I am not a child, Kate. If you want to discuss the evidence, or have anything intelligent to add, I will engage you. I don't need to be barked at. Save it for playtime with your friends.

Well you know you have the option to stop trying to have the last word. Do you get a bonus for that?

No, I'm pretty sure Joe Plumber's for hire, and not to fix Sollecito's pulled-apart kitchen sink drain. "He" hits a lot of selling points, and puts the boot into John Kercher too much to be legit. A normal person would refrain from such figurative beatings of a bereaved father.

As unpleasant and cruel as the posts are by Joe Plumber to the Kerchers , they will alert new readers to the lengths the Ak supporters are willing to go. Getting people to think beyond the PR and question those comments may be the start of further research on their part. So post away even the fake Maresca , Mignini ,Guede...

Yes, and it gives the guilters ample distraction from the evidence and fuel for their favorite type of discussion - personal attacks on those who they don't agree with.

I don't agree with Mr. Plumber, and most of the people who believe Rudy Guede was solely responsible for this murder are very respectful towards the Kerchers, but that won't stop you from grouping us all together and milking Mr. Plumber's words for all they are worth.

Funny thing is that we don't group all of you into the same category (i.e. the "kate phillips" category) - If you're respectful, we are respectful. And, most of the time, if you're disrespectul, we attempt to redirect you to discussing the evidence (as best we can) or we just ignore you.

We don't sing it on the mountaintops and bring it up in every comment section on every anti-knox article we read. That would be childish and would do nothing for the point we are trying to make - that there is no evidence to link Amanda or Raffaele or anyone except Rudy Guede to this brutal murder, sexual assault and burglary - lunatics on either side do not change that fact.

Defense's expert - "In any case there is nothing there which could lead me to think that there was more than one attacker." [Massei, page 145]

Prosecution's expert - "He was unable to provide an explanation for such a disproportion, which he held to be compatible with the presence of more than one person, but also with the action of a sole person who acts in a progressive manner" [Massei, page 153] - very convincing..

Massei himself - "there are no scientific elements arising directly from forensic science which could rule out the injuries having been caused by the action of a single person" [Massei, page 368] - That one was right before he goes on to conclude, without the forensic expertise required, "diverse morphology of the injuries and their number and distribution lead one to consider that those participating in this criminal action were more than one." [Massei, page 371]

Massei's logic - I don't need experts. I'll conclude the exact opposite of what they tell me - if i use words like "morphology" the guilters will eat it up and ignore the fact that I've contradicted the forensic experts or the fact that I have a law degree, not a degree in forensic science.

It seems you're all so easily distracted. Glad there are some who are not distracted by these sneaky tactics. When all is said and done, the evidence is uneffected and clear - it is on our side, and no matter how much you point out the shortcomings of a few on our side, that's not going to change.

Massei' logic is not bad at all. Hellmann and Zanetti, on the other hand. Let's wait to see what the Supreme Court (Cassation) has to say. It won't be that much longer.

You write lies. Demonstrable lies, no alibi, footprints in blood, Proof Amanda and Meredith were bleeding at the same time, whiich AK also dated by saying it wasn't there the afternoon before the murder. accusing Lumumba, telecom evidence, computer evidence, witnesses and physical evidence in both RS' flat and the cottage.

Why did both AK and RS express concern about the knife? Sollecito made up a complete fabrication about having accidentally cut Meredith with the knife. She'd never been to his flat. Why would he do that? The only reasonable conclusion is that he knew it was possible traces of Meredith might be found on the knife. Strange, huh?

Sneaaky tactics, eh? Like the PR astroturfers? Really? You lot will say anything. Hi Bruce. Hi Seth.

You don't even know the logic they used because you obviously don't understand, or haven't read, the court documents at all. You read what you can understand, and that is the garbage that is posted on TJMK and PMF. It is written for people like you who obviously don't bother, or don't have the intelligence to read the court documents.

Prove to me that there was mixed blood. Prove to me that Meredith and Amanda were bleeding at the same time. Here are the official court documents-

Massei: http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf
Hellmann: http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com/

Please tell me the page numbers where "mixed blood" and "bleeding at the same time" is mentioned.

Amanda obliged the officers by imagining that Patrick killed Meredith. They were suspiscious of Amanda on the first day, before any evidence was collected, as testified by Giobbi. They becamse suspiscious that Patrick was involved due to his texts to Amanda on the night of the murder. They presented Amanda with those texts and accused her of setting up a meeting with Patrick that night - a meeting to sexually assault and kill her roommate. Telecom evidence supports Amanda and Raffaele's version of events, computer evidence does as well (and it'd support it even more if the police's COMPUTER EXPERTS didn't completely destroy the 4 computers - how did that happen????), there were no credible witnesses with any incriminating evidence, absolutely zero physical evidence, and you are bringing up points that in no way point to guilt - desperate much???

Raffaele knew how corrupt the police were. He was familiar with Perugian justice having been living there. He was deperately trying to counter police lies with plausible explanations. There was no blood on the knife. There was never blood on the knife. The prosecution never even claimed there was blood on the knife - except when they lied to Raffaele about it. How could a knife be involved in a bloody, violent murder, but be left with not a trace of blood on it?? Not even a LCN sample?? How is that possible? Why was this the only knife tested??? Why were none taken from the girls' cottage?? According to the MASSEI court document (not TJMK), investigators collected this one and only knife, among all the other knives at Sollecito's home and the girls' cottage, simply because it looked "extra clean" (Massei, Page 264). Interesting...

Also, since we are asking questions here (and I could go on all day with the questions I have for the Prosecution), Guede was captured in Germany, after fleeing Italy, with a small pocket knife in his posession - the exact size and type of knife that investigators testified had been used to kill Meredith - why wasn't this knife collected and tested for blood, or tested against the wounds on Meredith's body??? Wasn't this a potentially crucial piece of evidence??? Wouldn't that be obvious - especially to investigators?? Can you give me any credible reason why this wasn't collected and tested? What purpose would it serve to the case in neglecting to collect/test it, and what purpose would it serve in finding true justice for Meredith?

Tell me why Cand V did not test the material they foun on the knife, even though they were charged to do so by Hellmann and there are newer techniques for testing teeny tiny amounts? What's all that about? Were they afraid of what they'd find?

What makes you think Rudy's knife wasn't tested? Cite, please.

You're just making this shit up.

Guee, Sollecito and Knox are all three guilty. All three.

Kate, they did test the knife sweetie. They found nothing on it but bread starch. How is it possible for a knife to be used in an extremely bloody, violent murder, and be left with not a trace of blood on it, only bread starch??

They did not test. They said it "looked like rye bread" which is impossible to determine. They are useless, C and V.

They didn't test.

Hellmann charged them with testing, and they didn't.

I hope the knife will be retested with the latest techniques in due course.

They found matter on the knife. They tested it. It turned out to be bread starch. Nothing else was found on the knife.

Have you even read their report? Obviously you have not because they dedicate a significant portion to their methods and what was found on the knife.

You literally just read TJMK and report what they say verbatim, irregardless of the blatant contradictions with the court documents.

They lied, you lie.

They did not test.

You lie.

They said it looked like rye bread. That doesn't constitute testing.

Mixed blood of Knox and Meredith on the bathroom tap.

They were bleeding at the same time. Knox even dated it by testifying that it wasn't there the day before.

They were both bleeding at the same time that night in the cottage.

That's not rye bread, either.

hear hear!

Thanks for your input, Chelsea.

Kate, the independent, court-appointed, italian experts who reviewed the evidence lied?? I assume you believe the report they wrote, painstakingly detailing their work and results, is fabricated as well??

Why would they lie and fabricate a very detailed report? They weren't working for anyone but the judge. They were completely independent of the defense and the prosecution. How would they benefit from lying?

They tested the knife. They found a substance on the knife. They tested the substance to see what it was. It was bread starch. That's it in a nutshell. If you want more details, refer to their report. Here is a link to it: http://knoxdnareport.wordpress.com/

There was no mixed blood. I don't know how many times I am going to ask you to prove me wrong about this. It's as simple as citing the source of your information. I've given you the links to the court documents - both of them, Massei and Hellmann. The link to Massei is also available on your favorite hate site, if you don't trust my links.

PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. Show me where mixed-blood is discussed in the court documents.

Mixed blood. Look it up yourself.

Bleeding at the same time.

Repeated lying attempts at an alibi.

Faked break-in.

Raffaele's DNA on the bra clasp.

Weird behaviour.

Woof woof PR dogs.

There was no mixed blood, and they weren't bleeding at the same time. I have looked it up. That's what I keep telling you. It's not in the court documents. It wasn't testified to in court. It's a lie that your friends told you over at TJMK, and I keep asking you to prove me wrong and show me that it's a fact by citing the page number it can be found on in the court documents.

No "repeated lying attempts at an alibi." Amanda and Raffaele told the investigators the same thing over and over and over again in the 40+ hours of interrogation or "interviews" they endured in the 4 days prior to the last interrogation. They said they were at Raffaele's all night, smoking and eating and doing the same mundane things they had been doing all week at Raffaele's apartment - basically just enjoying eachother's company, being in the "honeymoon stage" of their relationship. The investigators didn’t want to hear it. They knew exactly what they were doing, and what they wanted to hear, and how they were going to get it out of them – no matter what. That’s why 12 officers were brought in from Rome to assist in the all-night interrogation. Why else would you bring 12 officers in from another city, working overtime, overnight?? Was it just a coincidence that Amanda’s mother was due to arrive in Perugia the very next morning – a fact that Mignini knew?

The break-in was real and was committed by the same person who robbed from Meredith and sexually assaulted her - Rudy Guede. If commonsense doesn’t tell you this, Massei goes into all the reasons why he concluded that the break-in was real. It's very clear. You should read it.

Raffaele's DNA was not found on the bra clasp. The DNA that was found on the clasp was supposedly amongst various other unknown DNA profiles, none of which were found on the bra itself, on any of Meredith’s clothing or anywhere else in her room. The DNA claimed to be Raffaele's could also be seen as a match for the independence experts or Judge Hellmann himself, but that doesn't mean any of them were involved in Meredith's murder. The DNA evidence is inconclusive, at best, but Raffale's DNA was not found. Read the C&V report. I've referenced in my post above. There is no way you can read it, seeing the tactics and methods Stefonini used to get to her results, and not realize exactly what she did here. The whole idea of "framing" or "railroading" becomes very real. It's not like the "claims" of a worldwide PR conspiracy funded by Curt Knox, VP of Finance at Macy's - lol, there is actual real, concrete, clear proof that evidence was "made" to incriminate Amanda and Raffaele. It is not surprising that this "evidence" didn't stand up to the scrutiny of independent experts.

Weird behaviour - like consoling eachother in the cold outside after discovering your roommate and friend was just brutally murdered in your home? buying underwear after you've been wearing your boyfriend's clothes for the past few days because all of your clothing is off-limits, as part of an ongoing crime scene investigation? Doing stretches in a police station, as you have been spending almost every waking hour in the same small room, being questioned over and over again (not a kartwheel, as the tabloids reported, stretches), etc, etc. The tabloids embellished every little thing Amanda did, even before the trial had even begun. She was judged guilty in the court of public opinion before evidence was even analyzed. Since the jury was not sequestered, this sealed her fate in court. That is why her family hired a PR firm to secure them interviews. They were trying to counter the lies that were being told. They saw no other way of doing this, and if it were my daughter, I’d do the same.

"It's a lot easier to fool someone than to convince someone that they have been fooled."

Kate, I really do feel bad for you. Being so gullible will probably get you into some troubling situations in life. I really hope that you will see the light some day.

More lies.

I can't even believe you remind us of the cartwheels and splits in the police station. It wasn't yoga or simple stretching. It was bizarre behaviour. It isn't made up or exaggerated per tabloids.


If you don't manage the Last Word bonus, I'll happily recommend you for recognition for your rifling through the vaults for older, less frequently repeated lies from years ago.

All the lies all the time, eh, 'Candice'?

she was interrogated for 20,000 hours straight, Rudy is black so he can scale a 20 ft wall without leaving a trace of himself and can also managed to leave a bloody foot print in the bathroom yet leave no other bloody footprints anywhere else.

Actually it was over 50 hours in 5 days (more than the average day job), the last interrogation went through the night finishing in the early hours of the morning and involved 12 officers that had to be brought in ahead of time from Rome.

Rudy has been playing sports pretty much since he could walk, so he was very athletic. Also, in the days leading up to Meredith's murder, he burglarized a building by throwing a rock through a second story window and then entering through that same second story window.

ONLY 5 - out of the over 400 samples of evidence taken from the cottage - were from Filomena's room - none from the outside wall or ground - nothing outside was photographed or tested. The investigators concluded the break in was staged upon the very first glances inside - probably around the time Det. Giobbi concluded that Amanda was involved, on the first day, before any evidence was even collected. They had a theory from day one, and they didn't test anything that could have disproven their theory.

Rudy, HIMSELF, testified in court that HE cleaned himself off in the small bathroom - of Meredith's blood before fleeing the cottage. He left behind only LEFT sneaker prints in the murder room - don't you find this odd?? What happened to his RIGHT sneaker prints?? An explanation for only the LEFT sneaker prints could be that he lost his RIGHT sneaker in the struggle, thus leaving only left sneaker prints in the room in Meredith's blood. Then, he went to the bathroom, literally one or two steps away - it was the door adjacent to Meredith's, to clean his right foot, which obviously became bloody after losing his shoe. He cleaned himself of Meredith's blood in the bathroom, as HE testified. He cleaned his foot, and then stepped on the mat, leaving the one diluted print in a mixture of Meredith's blood and water.

You guilters really have trouble putting the pieces together, don't you? I don't know how you can't figure these things out. What happened is so obvious that most 8th grade science classes could figure it out. You must hate puzzles! lol

You invent pieces and throw out others.

There's no evidence of Rudy Guede in the bloody bathroom.

Lies.

Liars for hire. Vermin.

Guede testified that he went into the small bathroom to grab towels and clean Meredith's blood off of himself. It's in Guede's own words, and it was never contested. If this isn't evidence that Guede was in the bathroom, what is?

That's not physical evidence. No evidence that he washed his feet or anything of the sort. Nothing.

GUEDE SAID HE WENT INTO THE BATHROOM AFTER HE WAS IN THE BLOODY BEDROOM. We can corroborate his story with the missing towels and the towels in Meredith's room that Guede said he brought there. Also, only his left sneaker prints were found in Meredith's room. He obviously lost his right sneaker in the struggle, and then he would need to clean the blood off of his right foot after losing his sneaker. That's what a logical explanation looks like, Kate.

This is not a logical explanation - It's Sollecito's footprint because the prosecution's expert said so, and we need it to be his to link him to the crime.

It's his footprint because it is. It could not be Rudy's.

Are we back to lying prosecutors? Jeez. Big conspiracy against Knox and Sollecito? Not. Ridiculous.

Woof wooof woof

Rudy is black so he can scale a 20 ft wall without leaving a trace of himself


That was probably the most idiotic racist ass comment I've yet to see on this thread... unless that was a joke of some sort?

I think it was a sarcastic remark. He was trying to show how our arguments are rediculous - by completely blowing them out of proportion and exaggerating them to the point that they would be rediculous.

Clever bunch, aren't they?

And they deliver such compelling arguments - "It's his footprint because it is."

The measurements rule Rudy out and Raff in.

What are you doing here if the 'debate' is not up to your standards? What do you expect after years?

Why does Knox need a PR army? Why do they abuse the victim's family? Call for a boycott of Italy? Slime the Italian officials? Just ridiculous.

Last time I checked I was not plural.

Kate, the Prosecution's measurements rule Rudy out. The Defense's measurements, along with the picture diagrams they referenced, show how the print was a perfect match for Rudy and how it's impossible that it is Raffaele's due to a deformity of one of Raffaele's toes. Read Hellmann. It's there in great detail. This is why I call you gullible - your reasoning for why you believe it's Raffaele's is essentially, "the prosecution said so." Do you have a mind of your own? Have you looked at the pictures? You have to be blind or you're just choosing to be ignorant if you can't see that the print first - could not possibly be Raffaele's, and second - is a perfect match for Guede.

There's no PR army. No one has abused the victim's family except for the Italian judicial system and, obviously, Rudy Guede. Curt Knox has not called for a boycott of Italy - In fact, Amanda loves Italy and she, herself, said that she would love to go back in the future once all of this is past her. The Italian officials have done this to themselves. We have just shone a light on what they've done. You could say we've "slimed" them if you want, but is that the right word if what we are saying can be backed up with facts and proven??

Pulease.

How can you possibly 'know' there are no PRs operating in the way Gogerty-Marriott themselves describe?

You really doth protest too much.

Woof woof.



The Italian police and prosecutors are not all crooked

I know this because you claim that all of the major news outlets in the US who have more money than they know what to do with, plus a list of some of the most popular, respected websites and organizations in the world, are all being paid by Curt Knox and his "PR army."

I don't think I even need to offer any proof of how rediculous that notion is, but you know me, I am a stickler for proof...

You're lying about what they describe they're doing for the Knox family. This is what they describe, straight from their website:

"Early in November 2007 the father of Amanda Knox called Gogerty Marriott to ask for assistance with the barrage of media calls the family was getting from around the world. His daughter, Amanda, had been arrested and imprisoned in Perugia, Italy for the murder of her British flat mate, Meredith Kercher.

From that day forward, there has been continuous intense pressure from national and international media to talk with members of the family about their daughter. Gogerty Marriott has sought to relieve as much of the media pressure from the family’s shoulders as possible. At the same time we balanced the family’s need to have the truth told about their daughter’s innocence with that of the legal constraints of her trial and now her appeal. All the media accounts and leaks of inaccurate information occurred within the framework of a markedly different legal system than that in the United States. At the same time, we were helping the family get the truth out about their daughter, we also tried to help them maintain some sense of normalcy in their lives.

Complicating the handling of media on such a broad scale is the difference in language and translation of key facts and legal issues, as well as the time differences and the ability to meet media deadlines. Gogerty Marriott’s work for the family has brought them in touch with all major U.S. news networks – ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox News, as well as independent programs such as Oprah Winfrey and a host of national and international magazines and newspapers."

They obtained interviews for the family, so that the family could voice the truth about their daughter. They did not "pay" reporters to to report "lies," or pay average people like me to comment on random articles - lol.

"The Italian police and prosecutors are not all crooked"

I never said ALL of them were.

Maybe just almost all? For the defense narrative to work there has to be a lying conspiracy of scientific police, prosecutors, witnesses, etc. Even the Kercher's own lawyer, for pity's sake.

Their footprints in blood revealed by luminol.Knox and Meredith bleeding at the same time, Meredith's DNA on the knife from Sollecito's flat that matches the fatal wound and his story about how it got there. Multiple proven lies that still never yielded an alibi. Staged crime scene including the faked break-in. How could Sollecito possibly know nothing was stolen when he said so in the phonecall to police if it had been a real burglary? (oops)

I never suggested that reporters were paid. Bruce and Seth and so on are not journalists. Neither is 'Sfarzo', come to that. He is a chancer-blogger.

Let's see... A 20-year old college honors student and her studious boyfriend, both known within their own cities and neighborhoods as gentle and kind, smoke some marijuana, a tranquilizing drug, while in his comfortable apartment on a cold night. Suddenly, they decide to go out into the night to meet a drug abusing thug, who does not speak English while the girl does not yet speak Italian. The girl is supposed to have grabbed a very large kitchen knife to take with her for no known reason, since all agree there was no premeditation. While the students are in love, each have comfortable bank accounts and have everything to live for, the thug is desperate, penniless and is about to be evicted from his apartment. So doesn't it make sense that the students would want to help the thug assault, murder and steal from the girl's roommate, knowing there is no benefit to themselves and if caught, their happy lives would be thoroughly destroyed. In truth, I am afraid that this is the easiest case ever. The local police and prosecutor wouldn't divulge that the thug, to whom all the real evidence pointed, should have been in jail at the time of this horrific crime. A simple survey of local burglars who broke windows and climbed into a second story window to commit burglary would have led police to Rudy and the cuts on his hands within 24 hours of the crime. Sadly, the father has not recognized the insanity of this prosecution. My heart goes out to this man for his loss. I hope he comes to realized that he has been manipulated by charlatans and will live to see the day when they are punished and their justice system is repaired.

Robert.......you have touched on the insanity of this case. But what really floors me is how easily the people here, pronouncing their allegance to the lies that have been perpetuated by tabloid journalists like Hoffman, repeatedly take the bait.

It's kind of disturbing.

@Robert Smith,

You forgot to mention that Sollecito categorically stated in his witness statement that Knox went out for approximately four hours on the night of the murder and she repeatedly claimed that she was at the cottage when Meredith was killed.

These "gentle" and "kind" students repeatedly told the police a pack of lies. Everyone else who was questioned gave cast-iron alibis that could be verified. When you're innocent, you have no need to lie deliberately and repeatedly. Nobody has ever provided a plausible innocent explanation for the numerous lies Knox and Sollecito told.

These "gentle" and "kind" students couldn't be bothered to attend the memorial held for Meredith in Piazza IV Novembre.

At the police station on 2 November 2007, whilst Meredith's friends and housemates were crying and comforting each other, Knox and Sollecito were kissing each other and laughing and joking.

A number of facts contradict the wholesome image you're trying to create for Knox and Sollecito. They both had previous brushes with the police. Unlike Guede, Knox had a criminal record record at the time of the murder. She was fined $269 (£135) at the Municipal Court after hosting a party that got seriously out of hand - Crime No: 071830624. In September 2003, Raffaele Sollecito was found in possession of 2.67 grams of hashish. According to Amanda Knox's prison diaries, Sollecito had reminisced about the highs he had experienced on heroin and cocaine. He had unnatural, stomach-churning sexual proclivities; he was monitored at university after being caught watching hardcore pornography featuring bestiality. He said he admired the notorious Italian serial killer the Monster of Foligno, Luigi Chiatti. All these inconvenient facts have been brushed the carpet by PR creep David Marriott.

Harry:

Raffaele didn't state he and Amanda were apart from 9:00pm and 1:00am on the night of the murder, they were apart for this time period on Oct. 31st. The police were desperate and therefore told Amanda her partner had turned on her to get her to "spill the beans". Cops do this all the time to get information, especially when the cameras are turned off!

Amanda and Raffaele did net "repeatedly" tell the police a pack of lies. The police interrogators, using brutal third-world interrogation techniques to break Amanda, told her that there were sources who would swear she was at the house at the time of the crime and that if she didn't go along and agree that she was at the house at the time of the murder, the court would assume she was complicit in the murder and would spend 30 years in jail. Broken, she "confessed" that she was in the kitchen when the murder occurred and "confusedly" remembered Patrick Lumumba (the one person in Perugia she otherwise would have thought had a perfect alibi) committed the murder. Some confession! Outside of these "lies"/confession, her statements were remarkably consistent and honest.

None of the girls in the apartment attended the memorial. They thought they would only attract cameras.

Amanda was once pacing by Raffaele who saw her seriousness and pulled her into his lap. She laughed and kissed. They were hardly cracking jokes and Amanda certainly did her share of crying during this period, though not all publicly.

Amanda's "criminal" record consisted of a $269 fine because the music at the house of her going-away party was loud enough to be heard 75 feet from the dwelling after 12:00am. Big deal! Harry, you should know these facts better. Probably numerous similar tickets could have been handed out on that campus that night had the police gone searching. As for there being anything more "out of hand" that night, such as suggested rock throwing, it didn't happen. There are no witnesses and no charges, just internet fabrications - don't be taken in! As for Raffaele's hashish, 2.67 grams is less than 1/10 of an ounce! There is zero proof of heroin and cocaine, but if Raffaele did say this to Amanda, it should come out in her book. It certainly didn't come out in any testing. The pornography/bestiality viewing charge - I hope he has sowed his oaks, but let's not charge him with murder!

@Robert Smith,

You wrote:

"Raffaele didn't state he and Amanda were apart from 9:00pm and 1:00am on the night of the murder, they were apart for this time period on Oct. 31st."

This is complete and utter nonsense. If you actually read his witness statement, you would know this. His account of the night of the murder was shown to be false by his computer and telephone records. Judge Massei writes about this at length in his report.

You seem to be suffering from a severe psychological disorder and think that you're omniscient and omnipotent. I'm sorry to disillusion you, but you're not in a position to give detailed and definitive eyewitness accounts of what happened at the party or the questioning of Amanda Knox.

Harry:
Please direct me to the subject witness statement of Raffaele's to which you refer. You say that his witness statement shows something and then you say his account was false. Which is it. Also, his computer records don't show much since the police virtually destroyed all of his and Amanda's hard drives. The telephone records are at best inconclusive. Judge Massei writes confusedly about much and remains unconvincing. Judge Hellman absolutely destroys his logic in his summary report from the appeals trial. Harry, please stick with the facts. Judge Massei's ramblings will get us nowhere.

@Robert,

What do you think about Sollecito's claim that he had told the police a load of rubbish?

"In my previous statement I told a load of rubbish because Amanda had convinced me of her version of the facts and I didn't think about the inconsistencies."

Thanks in advance.

@Robert,

Here's a translation of Sollecito's witness statement:

[Re: Nov 1st]

“I know Amanda for two weeks. From the evening I first met her she started sleeping at my house.

The first of November I woke up about 11.00, I had breakfast with Amanda, then she went out and I went back to bed. I then met up with her at her house around 13.00-14.00. In there was Meredith who left in a hurry about 16.00 without saying where she was going.

Amanda and I went to the [town] centre about 18.00 but I don’t remember what we did.

We remained in the centre till 20.30 or 21.00.

I went to my house alone at 21.00, while Amanda said that she was going to the pub Le Chic because she wanted to meet with her friends.

At this point we said goodbye. I went home, I made a joint. Had dinner, but I don’t remember what I ate.

About 23.00 my father called me on my house phone line. I recall Amanda was not back yet.

I web surfed on the computer for two more hours after my father’s phone call and I only stopped when Amanda came back in, presumably about 01.00. I don’t remember well how she was dressed and if she was dressed the same as when we said goodbye before dinner. I don’t remember if that evening we had sex.”

[Re: Nov 2nd:]

“The following morning we woke up about 10.00 and she told met that she wanted to go home to have a shower and change clothes. In fact she left at 10.30 and I went back to sleep. When she was leaving Amanda took also an empty bag, telling me that it was to put the dirty clothes in.

At about 11.30 she returned to my house and I recall that she had change clothes. She had her usual handbag.

She told me that when she arrived at her house she found the front door wide-open and amounts of blood in the small bathroom. She asked me if I thought it was strange. I answered yes it was and I suggested to her to call her friends. She told me she had already called Filomena, while she said that Meredith was not answering.”

The going back to the house:

Together they go to the cottage. And this is how Sollecito reconstructs that moment:

“She opened the door with the keys and I went inside. I noticed that Filomena’s door was wide-open and glass on the floor and the room was in a mess. Amanda’s door was open and instead everything was in order. Then I went by Meredith’s door and I saw that it was key locked. First I looked if it was true what Amanda told me about blood in the bathroom and I noticed drops of blood in the sink, while on the bathmat there was something strange, a sort of mixture of water and blood, while the rest of the bathroom was clean… The rest was in order. At that very moment Amanda entered the big bathroom and came out frightened, strongly hugging me telling me that before, when she had the shower, she had seen some feces in the toilet that as opposed to now was clean. I asked myself what was happening and went out to see if I could manage to climb to Meredith’s window… I tried to breakdown the door but I didn’t succeed and at that point I decided to call my sister and get her advice because she is a lieutenant in the Carabinieri. She told me to call 112, but in the meantime the postal police arrived. In the previous statement I told you a lot of crap because she [AK] convinced me of her version of the facts and I didn’t think of the inconsistencies.

Robert's done a lot of fine hand-waving here, minimizing the prosecution's case and playing-up weak character evidence. Dempsey's unsourced claim that Meredith's English friends and Filomena and Laura didn't attend the vigil is contradicted by Follain who says Meredith's friends, at least, did attend. Are we trying to get to the Real Truth here, or is this simply an exercise in crafting an imaginative legal defense? If it were the latter I could give you points for effort. Unfortunately...

And with that Joe you have........crickets.

How do you guilters brush off the relevant past behavior of the officials associated with this case as inconsequential? Why are you so willing to give them a pass when it comes to the blatant comparisons that make the alleged treatment Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba claimed they endured credible?

Just mud slinging. That's what you're reduced to when the facts and the truth stand in your way. It's what you professionals do,after all. Too late the filthy cat's out of the bag. Curt Knox' hired thugs are bullying and lying their way round every comments section to try to stop the truth and the proof is exposed here:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/PRtellsJKtoSTFU

Over on Worldcrunch Seth Chandler, Axol

Harry & b mull (if you're not the same person)

I'm not sure where you are coming up with Raffaele's "statements". I would be delighted to find an uncensored and impartial source for these statements. Are these the late-night statements he gave to his brutal interrogators after they turned off the cameras and denied him an attorney? Why don't we rely on some logic and his statements made in an Italian courtroom? He was cross-examined.

Let's see, according to you guys, this intelligent, cold-blooded killer, without having the police present any evidence against him, suddenly throws Amanda under the bus. Why would he implicate someone without the pressure of any real evidence, a person who would then immediately implicate him in return? In addition, why would the supposedly cold blooded Amanda, without the pressure of any real evidence, then implicate Patrick Lumumba, the one person she knew had a perfect alibi since he had texted her that he was at the bar? And why, in the statement above, would Raffaele say he went back to his apartment alone at 21:00 with Amanda heading to a pub when a credible witness had already seen Amanda at Raffaele's 20:40, a fact that was never contested by the prosecution. Why would Raffaele claim to have known Amanda for two weeks when he had only known her for 7 days. Also, the feces had not been flushed from the toilet and Filomena's door was not open when he and Amanda went to her apartment. It seems these statements are so bizarre and illogical that we can't rely on any of it. Let's stick to the facts we know. There is no solid evidence against these two!! Conjecture based on questionable statements made under duress should not suffice. Let's put Mignini and his thuggish cohorts away for a long time and introduce better checks and balances into the legal system so that this kind of barbaric injustice doesn't occur again! Oh, and Harry, thank you in advance.

And, there you have it. They'll never come back with their sources. They never do, unless it's their favorite biased hate-site that we know is riddled with proven lie after lie.

**crickets**

Lies lies lies.

Is "lies lies lies" a source? Is it a tabloid? ...It'd be a fitting name ;)

Great name for your very own PR agency.

I doubt your source of information is our PR agency. We don't have one. Maybe you meant to type "our" instead of "your." Be sure to tell Mignini that we won't be silenced, but please, still milk him for all he's worth.. ;)

Mignini doesn't know you exist. He is a busy professional, not the evil villain of Doug Preston's or anyone else's imaginings.

Lunatic rabble-rousing.

Mr Maresca,

If you are so keen, as indeed you should be as lawyer purportedly representing the Kerchers, to find out the truth about Meredith's killer(?s), why have you and other members of the prosecution consistently opposed doing DNA analysis on the semen stains on the cushion on which Meredith's lifeless body was found? I should have thought it pretty obvious that IF it belongs to Rudy Guede then it would be supporting evidence that he killed alone (as Hellman, Zanetti, and the appeal court jury clearly think). If, on the other hand, it belongs to another man, and that man is not Giacomo Silenzi (Meredith's boyfriend, who we know was not there on November 1st), then you should try and find out who that man is.

Another man’s DNA would give some credence to an early statement by Rudy that he was there but didn't do it, and open up a new and important line of investigation. In a UK case I was involved in many years ago as expert witness, (the murder of Lesley Molseed and the overturning of the false conviction of Stefan Ivan Kiszko), such a test 30 years after the murder, led to the conviction of the actual murderer Ronald Castree.

So why have you consistently failed to ask for, and indeed opposed, such an elementary test? Semen, after all, is virtually pure male DNA. In any case please will you now insist in the interests of the justice you espouse for all concerned, that this test is now carried out.

David Anderson

@David,

The poster is clearly pretending to be Maresca. He's trying to be humorous; Italy and mafia - geddit? It doesn't take much to pull the wool over your eyes, does it? Please stop embarrassing yourself like this in public. It's time for your medicine and bed. If you get any e-mails from a Nigerian prince asking for some financial assistance, ignore him.

Sorry HarryRag, but in this world where sneaks and their anagrams like your good Gollumoid self can make comments hiding behind ridiculous rhyming slang pseudonyms, and slander innocent youngsters on behalf of the dead, it is entirely possible that this comment was in fact made by the REAL Avvocato Francesco Maresca. Who knows? Do you? Are you really so sure? Have you asked him? If not, please do so.

MY real name, by the way, IS Dr (alias Professor) David C Anderson, and I shall gladly exchange a full and honest CV with you if you would please be good enough to reveal your real reptilian identity. Fair's fair, now, Harrimus Raggimus, you Maharajah of Misrepresentation, you Salamander of Slander, you Immoral Innuendist of the Innocent, you Bull of Bullscheisters, you.....

In the meantime, perhaps whoever you are would be good enough to answer my question for the Kercher family’s long-haired legal slim*maestro Maresca himself. Or at least refer it to him for his esteemed opinion. And then report back. Come on Harry, fair’s fair innit, in blogging as well as love and war? Please get him to answer my question, there's a good anonymous.

Speaking of embarrassing yourself, Harryrag, why haven't you crawled back into the hole you came out of after you were proven to be a bonafide liar when you claimed you had "inside sources" that said Amanda's appeal was going to be rejected? Seriously.. your level of obsession over this girl has gone from pathetic to plain stalkerish. Hopefully, one day the Knox/Mellas clan will file slander and defamation charges on you and the rest of your worthless crew on "truejustice." At this point, we all know none of you care for Meredith or her plight. You all have ulterior motives and I can't wait to see it blow up in your ugly face.

Yawn Jamie, more threats from the Knoxii.

Put up or shut up.

Harry Rag, whoever you are. I do find it interesting and somewhat unaccountable that one of the entries on this post purporting to be by Francesco Maresca has beside it his unmistakeable cigarette-smoking profile picture of the blessed advocate. So are you maintaining, I wonder, that BOTH entries under this name are by someone(s) other than the Kercher family's prosecutorial lawyer? Shome mishtake shurely? So if not, which is the real Kercher truth-seeking champion Francesco Maresca, and will he please answer my question even if I inadvertently got the pseudo-Maresca first time? Being close to him as I presume you are (since you perpetually sing his tune), maybe you can ask him and let us know his response? There's a good boy now Harranonymous.

I can't believe this. You gotta be joking.

It's all apart of the PR strategy to insult and lie and bully. We're so onto you. Woof woof dogs barking bull to the shite.

Hi, here is probably what really happened an two antisocial individuals, one who sleeps around and brags about drug use (who was not an honor student according to classmates at Seattle Prep and was arrested for disturbing the peaces in Seattle a few weeks earlier and who also had known cocaine dealers from Perugia in her cell phone) and the other who has a knife festish and animal porn liking call their cocaine dealer Guede. Meredith comes home and sees this and notices that her rent was stolen by her roomate to by drugs, she threatens to call the police and wants Amanda to move out of the flat. In a fit of rage Amanda gets in a fight with meredith, Raffaele and Guede hold Meredith down and Amanda high on cocaine grabs a kitchen knife and in a fit of rage stabs Meredith.

And Amanda and the foakers are vultures

Amanda was never arrested for disturbing the peace or anything else. She threw a party that got out of control. The police showed up, told her to quite down, gave her a citation and that was it.

The only substance in Amanda's system at the time of the murder was marijuana. That destroys your theory, but lets pretend for a moment that she was high on coke and killed Meredith in a rage attack. Where is the physical evidence like DNA or fingerprints that places Amanda in Meredith's room? Surely Sollecito would have some defensive wounds from holding down a girl that had experience in karate. Why was there no scratches or bruises on him when he was arrested?

Meredith and Amanda were friends regardless of what has been said. Less than a week before her death, Meredith accompanied Amanda to a classical concert where Amanda ultimately met Raffaele. It sure sounds like they had an epic rivalry! Sorry, but your scenario has no subsistence

There's not really any coming back from being exposed as professional bullies. None.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/PRtellsJKtoSTFU

True justice for Meredith Kercher.

Well said, Jaime. Kate follows up with an article SHE wrote on TJMK - a site riddled lies that are proven by the court documents. You'd think this was an article that Kate wrote on the compelling evidence she insists exists in this case, but NOPE - the article is about... wait for it... bashing someone who believes Amanda and Raffaele are innocent. YUP - compelling and convincing, isn't it? lol

Kate, why don't you ever make reference to the court documents to support your claims?? They are the most unbiased source you are going to get in this case. How would you respond if I posted a link to an article I wrote on IIP bashing a guilter - insinuating, somehow, that it's further evidence that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent?? Would you laugh? lol

True justice for Meredith - increase Guede's sentence and stop spreading lies.

Thta's the tactic now, isn't it? Make it all about Guee. Well, that dosn't wash.

The article is about another PR dog caught out. Ask Seth how he's gettinng on.

Woof woof. 'Candice'. No one who has been paying attention finds your

can possibly find you convincing. Liar for hire.

Kate, we are just following the evidence. The evidence is "all about Guede." It does "wash" if you read the latest court document, the Hellmann report.

You ask Seth "how he's getting on." You're the one who's obsessed with him, writing articles about him and mentioning him every single opportunity you get. I don't know him, and no offense to him, but I have no interest. It's apparent that this is your way out of discussing the evidence. Keep on personally attacking others and avoid talking about the evidence if you think it's helping your case. I don't think it is, and I think everyone can see right through it, but that's your prerogative.

I am still waiting for you to give me the page numbers in the Massei motivation where "Amanda and Meredith's mixed blood" and "Amanda's footprints in Meredith's blood" is mentioned.

Let me know when you're done throwing insults around and want to talk about the evidence like a civilized adult.

Woof woof woof

Outed. Paid to spread the defense lies.

Luminol footprints. Computer evidence and telecom evidence proves they were LYING. (as in Raff's statement above...no phone conversation with his dad at 11:00pm, for example).

Staged break-in. Witnesses who saw them, contradicting their stories.

Woof woof.

Source??

pitiful! you don't know much about the case, do you?

lol

Why do you always avoid the question of where your information is coming from???

I know this case, front to back, because I have read all of the court documents, front to back.

In a language you are familiar with?

Yes, they've been translated to English from YOUR friends on YOUR favorite site. If they do exist in that document, I would surely not direct you to it, would I?

Here it is again:

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

Notice the website it's from - your favorite :)

Go look. Find "mixed blood" or "bleeding at the same time" or "Amanda's footprints in Meredith's blood."

The blood on the tap in the bloody bathroom is a mixture of Meredith's and Amanda's. This is determined by the relative proportions of their DNA present. Mixed blood. Too much AK DNA to have come from touching or saliva or other.

Knox dates the bloody deposit by testifying that it hadn't been there the day before the murder.

Knox had a welt on her neck and disturbance to her piercings on Nov 2nd.

Then there was a shirt of Sollecito's which a drycleaner testified RS brought to him after the murder asking for it to be drycleaned when it looked to him as though it had been freshly washed but unironed already.

They took the knife with them to the cottage.

"you are roaring lions" -- why thank you!

Full-on bullying.

calli rasper

another pro.

And what are you kate?

Someone who knows the score. Just ask your mate Seth.

What's the score kate? I didn't realize we needed to keep score????

http://tinyurl.com/PRtellsJKtoSTFU

kate.....the only thing this link shows is how deranged of an individual you are. You, my dear, have a problem. The conspiracy theories you have filled your brain up with are derailing your ability to decifer between reality and fantasy. Just a word of advice......most people who are experiencing these things do not possess the ability to view themselves as the rest of the world around them does.

Please....get help. Or maybe a hobby?

No, it exposes your mate Seth Chandler of Axolotl AB PR and advertising as a bully for hire. Repeat the selling points and smear and try to silence everyone else.

Calling me deranged doesn't touched the evidence..it's all there for everyone to see, but it's your job to try to stp them. Good luck with that.

Busted. There's no way back. Woof woof. POS

All where for everyone to see? TJMK - a biased hate site that reports proven lies?? Or the court documents - Massei and Hellmann?

Massei: http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

Hellmann: http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com/

Woof woof. Flea.

'Candice'

It's just "Candice," not "Woof woof. Flea. Candice." You can also call me "Miss Roque".... or in about a year, you can call me "Mrs. Brown" or "Candice Brown" ;)

You're a PR barking dog.

Professional crap writer like Seth and Bruce.

You're paid by Mignini. He can't bully US reporters into silence, so he's hired you to riddle comment sections with his POV. Sadly, all you do is bark. He must be very desperate. That's understandable.

I don't bark. I'm a lady. :) You should try behaving like one. Barking all the time is really unbecoming.

Hilarious.

No, Mignini is a real person who is a real prosecutor in the real world. He is not a character in a Douglas Preston conspiracy-novel.

Fortunately for the world it isn't just all about one vested interest against another. The truth matters to more people than you give credit for.

Woof woof woof PR barking dogs can't make Knox innocent.

Bleeding at the same time. No alibi. Computer and telecom evidence proving they're lying.

Why the story about pricking Meredith with the knife when she had never been there? Lying to account for traces of Meredith he knew might be found there.

Knox expressed anxiety about the knife, too.

September is not very far away.

There was no bleeding at the same time. They have an alibi until 9:15. Meredith likely died before 10 p.m, according to her stomach contents, clothing she was wearing when she began bleeding (outside coat and shoes), and the phone call to her mother, initiated around 9:05 and never went through or tried again. Computer and telecom evidence supports their alibi. Prove me wrong - show me where it says otherwise in the court documents.

Raffaele lived in Perugia. He was familiar with their brand of justice. The police lied to Raffaele by saying that Meredith's blood was found on the knife. It was never found anywhere on the knife - ever - this was never even claimed by the prosecution; they only claimed to find an extremely small amount of her DNA - no blood. Raffaele was desperately trying to counter this lie with an explanation. He never needed one, because there was never any blood on it.

Amanda expressed anxiety throughout the whole process. Her friend was just murdered in the home they shared, and she was being interrogated every single day for a rediculous amount of hours. When she had an anxiety attack, it was in the cottage, when police brought her back there for MORE questioning. I'd have anxiety being in that house again too, especially having to go over everything again and again, literally steps away from the spot your roommate was lying dead, on the floor, in her own blood. It gives me anxiety to even think about it.

I can't wait for September. It can't come fast enough.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

No wonder she was anxious. She was trying to get away with murder. That can send one's stress levels soaring, I should think. Accusing the utterly blameless Lumumba got her out of a tight spot, though.

She was so anxious that she made out with Sollecito and played bizarre face-pulling games at the police station shortly after Meredith's body was discovered.

That isn't quirky that's highly suspicious. Along with all the lies they told, their luminol footprints. the mixed blood on the tap, the 'desperate' attempt to locate Meredith by letting the phone ring 3 seconds, Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp Meredith's DNA on the knife from Sollecito's apartment, Sollecito's lie about pricking Meredith.....

perugiamurderfile.org

Brutal third world interogating techniques like offering her food and tea, so brutal.

bahahahahhahahahahha "12 officers, brought in from Rome, to bring Amanda 'tea and crumpets'" lololol you guilters are funny!

12 officers brought in to help solve this ghastly murder, not specifically for Miss Foxy. Blimey. A suggestion of sadistic porn gets the supporters' attention, eh what?

Hey Guilters don't you get it, Amanda and Raffale are innocent, there is no reason the police should have ever have been suspicious of them. I mean come on, its perfectly normal to be caught at the crime scene, its perfectly normal to take a shower next to a bloody footprint and have no reason to call the police. Its perfectly normal to show no sympathy for the murdered girl and you know what there is nothing wrong with skipping the memorial service. Alibi smalibi, who needs one of those, the Police should just pick on of the three or four stories they gave and believe it.

I see no reason why the police would think these two normal kids could do such a thing. I mean I would be proud of my daughter if she had sex with random strangers and trains and brought strange men home. Don't get me started and Raffale, just a normal kid. If I had a kid who liked to read comic books about woman being raped and killed I would just say "Boys being boys". Also, if I found out my son liked to watch animal sex I ask you this, can you tell me you never ever ever got turned on by that, I am sure Mr. Anderson does.

Now back to the actual crime, only an idiot would not get it. Rudy is black and he plays basketball, since he is black he knows how to break in and steal things like all black people. You all have seen Lebron James, everyone knows black people can jump 20 ft in the air and manage to slip under a window and leave no trace anywhere outside or inside. Not to mention the fact that he has secret powers, he can float in the air. That is why there are random bloody footprints all over the hose without any other tracks anywhere near it. In fact he flew out of the house leaving no trace of footsteps leaving. He also took a dump, all criminals take a dump, its like a calling card.

You mention DNA, thats easy to explain. You see Mignini is an evil wizard who uses his magic to make Raffaele's dna float from his skin and onto the bra clasp and he used a spell to make Amanda's mixed blood show up. Duh!!! Guede's was all over the place, you see there was that palm print and his dna on the outside of the purse a little bit less DNA then Raffaele and Amanda left, but Mignini magically made theirs so it doesn't really count.

Case closed.

"You see Mignini is an evil wizard who uses his magic to make Raffaele's dna float from his skin and onto the bra clasp"

Yes.....Raffaele's and 17 others. I guess Mignini was just covering his bases. As a matter of fact, I believe your dna was found too.

Woof woof. Faker, faking fake.

To the person who said none of the roomates attended the memorial, prove it, that's a new one I have not heard before

@Andrea West

Amanda Knox and Meredith Kercher were not friends. Numerous witnesses have testified in court describing how their superficial friendship deteriorated quickly due to Amanda's erratic behavior.

There is no such thing as a best friend. They were just friends. Only with time you will know if you have a real friend. They knew each other for only a very short time.....

Poor "Andrea" has never had a best friend. All together now, "Awwww".
Usually when someone speaking about a dead friend says "I only knew them for a short time", that would be followed by..."but they made a big impact" or "but I was very fond".. NOT "So I'm just getting on with my life"
Ouch. That really clangs, doesn't it? I have to conclude that as Amanda gave the the last version.....that she really wasn't ANY kind of friend at all to Meredith by the night she died. Out of her own mouth...

Indeed? A lot of nonsense you say, why you say that?

I can simplify this for you Andrea - the only person who believes that Knox and Kercher were friends is Amanda. The girls in the apartment said they started off ok but the relationship was cooling. Ditto Giacomo and the guys downstairs. The Kerchers and the British girls knew how Meredith really felt as these were the people who Meredith confided in and not one those people said that Meredith liked Amanda, in fact, quite the opposite. Meredith's closest confident in Perugia was Sophie Purton. Read what she says about Amanda and Meredith and also see what she endured at the hands of the Italian police. She, despite very limited Italian, managed to tell one story, and managed to not place herself at the scene of the crime. On top of that Sollecito was Italian with a sister in the Carabinieri, if he can't handle the cops then they really must have been there involved or at the very least, Knox was.

Let me clarify your post Andrea: if the British girls were to say that Meredith loved Amanda like a sister, that would be OK? But because they told the truth, thats not OK? I think thats what stinks, the double standards of the Knoxii.

The other roommates, and Meredith's Italian boyfriend (Giacomo) testified to the positive relationship between the girls. If you read Massei, as I have numerous times, you will see that this was what was testified in court. They had their differences here and there about normal household things, but overall they shared a positive roommate relationship. They often went out together, had meals together, etc. This would have been evidenced by pictures both girls had on their computers, but those computers were completely destroyed by the police's "COMPUTER EXPERTS."

There was absoultely no reason for Amanda to kill Meredith. Even the Prosecution admitted this when each motive they claimed existed fell apart one after the other. There was simply no evidnece to support any of their ideas for a motive, and that's why they finally concluded that there wasn't one.

HMMMM.. no motive, no murder weapon and no physical evidence...? hard one to figure out, isn't it?

Oh, they had motive alright.

Great point, Kate. "Oh, they had motive alright." Very convincing.

You think I'm trying to convince you of anything? Don't make me laugh.

Faker faking fake PR

Curt Knox paid his money and bought you lot.

Knox and Sollecito are guilty of Meredith's brutal sexual assault and murder.

Kate, I actually picture you laughing like a madwoman constantly, for no reason.

Curt Knox must be a millionaire! On a VP of Finance at Macys' salary? I doubt it. Where does he live again? LA? Miami? Oh, that's right, Seattle. In a regular, middle-class neighborhood, in a regular, middle-class home.

Where did he get all of that money from that he is supposedly paying EVERYONE? Especially after having to refinance his home and clear out his retirement fund to pay for trips back and forth to Italy and for Amanda's legal costs.

I'd love to get paid just for voicing my opinion on this case, but I wouldn't take a dime from Curt Knox if he offered it to me.

Curt Knox acknowledges that he hired Gogerty-Marriott straight away.

G-M acknowledge their involvement and techniques.

You're on the payroll. If you're not, you should be pretty angry. Or did you roll over for flattery alone? D'oh!

Yes, G-M acknowledges that they were hired to obtain interviews for the Knox family. That is all they were hired to do. They weren't hired to pay every single average person who believes Amanda is innocent to post on the millions of random articles that are written about this case.

They also use spamming and bogus blogs.

You should visit their website.

I have. They mention nothing about spamming or bogus blogs.



lol

lol

Merediths friends testified otherwise, looks like another foaker lie

Meredith was a mature and diplomatic young woman she undoubtedly tried to help Amanda. She intervened when Amanda dumped a drink over the bar employee. The flatmates including Meredith discussed Amanda's behavior including her lack of cooperation with housekeeping duties , the men she brought home and the very annoying singing and strumming without regard to others. It was a situation where a final straw was likely to come. When Amanda first appeared before the judge she spoke about her roommates and these issues to down play them. It was how she introduced herself, the first thing on her mind.

I have never for one single second believed that Amanda Knox had anything to do with Meredith Kercher's death. People often behave oddly when something this shocking happens.

Oddly as in hiring a P.R. team to spam everywhere with lies? Trying to silence with bully tactics?

http://tinyurl.com/PRtellsJKtoSTFU

Even if that were true, it would be evidence that we're dealing with a murderer??? By that logic - OMG, maybe Mignini killed Meredith.... ?!?!?!!

Read about his bullying tactics here, from an unbiased, internationally-recognized organization that has no affiliation or opinion with regards to this case:

http://www.cpj.org/search.php?cx=002635367788333464843%3A1kfp8mbluhy&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=mignini

Bullshit. Specially created bullshit.

This is not unbiased. It's bullshit. Woof Woof.

How is it not unbiased? They are recognized internationally, have no opinion either way on this case, and have handled many other cases of journalist abuse throughout the world.

What is unbiased in your mind, Kate? You don't like the court documents, you don't like CPJ.org - TJMK?? lol

Thay acted upon false information.

"Frank sfarzo" is a flea, too.

He was hawking around nude photos of Knox. Weird bunch!

Frank wasn't the only person they wrote letters for. If you'd actually go to the link instead of spouting things out hysterically, you'd see that they've written a long list of letters of complaint in regards to Mignini.

Oh, weell. Letters prove so much! Like astroturfing does.

0_o

Official letters, from internationally-respected, not-for-profit organizations, with no affiliation to the case, prove a lot.

You really think that Gogerty-Marriot is paying the not-for-profit CPJ? Add them to the list, I guess. I guess anything's possible if you believe they're paying people to comment on Gather articles 0_o

No, I never said that. I said they were manipulated by false information. Likewise Wiki etc. But you know that. Part of the service.

Project managers get paid. Good ones recruit without spending a dime. Flattery, razzle-dazzle, promises....books...

That doesn't prove anything. AK and RS footprints in blood must prove something....

Now you're just being the typical guilter. Footprints in blood? That's an old one...I thought you were different kate?

you can't bully me away.

Yup. Raff's clear as day on the mat, and both of theirs revealed by luminol. Blood. Not turnip juice, not bleach, not anything else.

Why weren't those prints that glowed in the luminol smeared then? How did they remove the blood from them without smearing the prints? If the luminol was so reliable, then why was the TMB administered by the investigators AFTER the luminol was sprayed? Why does the FBI also use TMB after luminol?? Why was the TMB negative negative on the prints?? Why does everything I've read on TMB testing say that although false positives are possible, a false negative TMB is nearly impossible??

More bullshit.

Woof woof. Busted.

Thank you. That answers all my questions.

Giacomo Silenzi says otherwise:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494740/Merediths-boyfriend-reveals-moment-suspected-Foxy-Knoxy-killed-lover.html

verp.....you are actually using a story from a rag dated from 2007 as your proof? How does one take anything you say as serious when you do crap like this? Stick to the testimony and court documents.....not your tabloid fodder.

Really, I'm embarassed for you.

You're not embarassed because you're not paid to be. The jig is all the way up. Monster.

I've said it before and it fits perfectly here......you guys do have quite the imagination. I'm no more paid than you are to be here. But it sure fits your narrative to accuse anyone who doesn't parrot your mindset of being part of the "PR machine"......doesn't it?

Monster? You guys crack me up. Such a flare for the dramatic!

Well, that's the trouble. Once "one" of you has been caught redhanded, it sort of spoils it for all of you. Why would anyone believe anything else you have to say?

Keep it up kate!

I'm sure you'll convince someone I'm a big bad employee of the mega million dollar pr machine.

In the meantime, explain to us all how Knox and Sollecito participated in the murder yet left nothing of themselves that would corroborate the prosecutions theories of a sex game gone wrong? No hair, saliva, secretions, semen, fingerprints, oh yah.....no DNA?

How'd they do it kate?

No sex "game" just brutal sexual assault and murder by your "Bambis".

verpasquale:

Guede was an excellent athlete. The distance from the ground to the window ledge was only 11.5 feet and there were burglar bars on the window beneath it. He would easily have been able to climb up into the second story window. He did leave a trace of himself. At the base of the curtains in Filomena's room, as shown in photographs on the site injusticeinperugia.com, he left a dusty footprint. The police either did not photograph the exterior of the house beneath Filomena's window or destroyed the photos they took - you decide.
Yes, he probably did stay a few minutes and cover the body with a duvet so he would not need to look at what he did. We can't be sure why he left only one heavily diluted bloody footprint in the bathroom. How does this knowledge implicate anyone else in any way?

Just like Injustic for Perugia conviently leaves out the picture of the 6'4 defense attorney who couldn't manage to climb the wall. First I have heard about the footprint but if your source is Bruce Fisher I don't believe it. Hey, heard Raffaele was an excelent Kick Boxer, funny how he couldn't kick down that door.

Actually, that picture is on injustice in perugia. Obviously, you haven't gone to the site - why not?? We visit your favorite hate-sites regularly. After all, how can you form an opinion if you're not fully aware of the oppostion's POV? I believe that might be somewhere in the definition of ignorance.

Also, the defense attorney did climb up the wall. The pictures show it just fine. He did not climb through the window, as he was not allowed to. As valuable evidence, the window, and the glass that remained, had to remain untouched. Rudy Guede was an experienced athlete, not a defense attorney in dress pants. He had broken a second story window with a rock and entered through said window to burglarize a building in the days leading up to Meredith's murder. This attempted, and successful (he stole Meredith's rent money, credit cards and cell phones from her purse), burglary was a repeat of his past behaviour.

Just crap. More lying faker fakery.

Woof woof.

4th picture down....

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry2------c.html

meow.

Woof woof.

PR lies.

Calli, explain to me how Guede who was a skinny 5'10 guy was able to climb a 15ft wall leaving no traces on the ground or on the wall (on a rainy night) and then leave no trace of himself in Filomena's room. Explain to me how a skinny kid was able to subdue Meredith so much that she had no defense wounds and then stabbed her 42 times. Do you expect us to then believe he stayed a little while and then dragged the body and covered it with a duvet. Explain how he managed to leave a bloody footprint in the bathroom without any other bloody footprints anywhere near it and then explain how his footprints in the room suddenly stop. There were no footprints leading out of the door, hmm.

Here's the thing verp......you are way too misinformed as to what's what that I couldn't even begin to unravel the yarns you've spun in your mind.

I could go down your checklist one by one and explain everything, but you know the arguments.....you've been around too long not to. Nothing I say is going to make a bit of difference to your narrative. You think they did it and are willing to soak up any information, no matter how erroneous, that validates your belief.

Like I've said before....your too far down the rabbit hole to be reasoned with. And the simple fact that you use tabloid rags to argue with is proof of it.

Calli try to debate the evidence your not off the hook. Insisting and throwing a fit if others don't answer your questions is your style, so go ahead and try to tackle them . We would all like to hear your reasoning really.

dylan....I have debated the evidence with verp, as well as, you. BIG waste of time.

How do you debate someone who uses falsehoods and myopic observations as their weapon of choice. What purpose does it serve?

you can't debate it so you don't simple

I'm just reporting what was presented in court not what a bunch of PR hacks made up and fed to the American public.

Only one who is spreading lies is you

time tells no lies....lets wait.....

Public Relation firms tell lies because they get paid to do it

I'm just saying, as it is the most logical thing to do....

Filling up the thread with baloney to move the thread along from the threatening truth. you're so freaking transparent. Woof, woof, my porcine friend.

I want to try talk to you like normal people talk, not just stand here and bark...like you...

Its called satire, she is making fun of the way FOA attack anything negative written by Knox like a pack of hungry dogs.

Its called Chelsea's Devil's radio....

It's called childish. All she can come back with is "woof, woof." My 8 year old daughter can converse with more intelligence.

Faking faker liar.

Liar fir hire.

^^ point proven. :)

Explain, I speak Italian, live in Florence not to far from perugia, am a lawyer and read all official court documents. You probably don't speak Italian and get your information from usa media and Bruce fisher. I will trust my sources of info over your dirty American sources.

Which court documents did you read?

Yah, the daily mail is just a fountain of truth.....uh, huh.

verp.....I just can't let go of one thing.....why was it necessary for you to reference my sources as "dirty American"? Is that what you think? American's are "dirty"?