Why Conservative Blacks Vote Democrat

That is correct. I know one Black guy, he is center-right politically on most things but voted for Barack Obama because Obama is Black. (Technically, Obama is a Mulatto, half-Black/half-White, but if you show a picture of him to one without that knowledge, most would say, "he's Black.") Digressing, there is a side of me that should be angry, then again, we have the right to vote by acting on our prejudices as they may be, even E.G. Marshall said so in the 1968 election. Still, I did not have any anger at all, honesty is one of my most valued traits a person can have and although I do not like that answer, at least he's honest about it.

White people have been voting for white people for years when there is another racial makeup in a given political race. No one ever saw anything wrong with that. Aside from which, president Obama is not a liberal (despite the screaming and shouting from the right), but rather a centrist. Conservatives are not conservative. They are reactionary, at least right now.

if you show a picture of him to one without that knowledge, most would say, "he's Black.")

Maybe to white people, but those of us who are Bi-racial (& I detest the m-word), can identify people like ourselves.

"president Obama is not a liberal"
Nope, he is a progressive Willy...And we conservatives ARE conservatives. nothing more nothing less.

"Technically, Obama is a Mulatto..."

Technically, according to gene sequencing, almost every black person whose ancestors lived in the US before the Civil War has some white ancestors. During the days of Jim Crow, the legal rule for blackness was a lot more strict than the rule for Jewishness in a certain European country in the 1930s.

Obama isn't very left of center. He is considerably to the left of the right wing lunatic fringe folks who seem to have taken control of the Republican Party these days, but then every president in the 20th century was to the left of them. Like Bill Clinton, Obama is more of what they used to call a moderate Republican.

As the father of J. C. Watts said, "A black man voting for a Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."

Little Danielle, you wouldn't know a progressive if he had his boot up your backside.

Windy Willy! LOL!
You are a progressive Willy plain and simple.

J.C. Watts is a Republican..Right Willy?
It was Republicans that fought for the right of blacks to vote as your perferred progressive Democrat party fought against the right of blacks to vote. as a matter of fact the people of your party elected over and over and over one of the most racist politicians ever to hold office in modern times, Robert Byrd....Not only was he a clan member but also a paid clan recruiter.
And the fact that he used the term "white ni**er" on national T.V. many years after he claimed to stop supporting the clan only goes to show that he was no less a racist.
Naw Willy,
Your kind likes to make believe that you are the ones supporting racial equality...but they are nothing more than empty words in lite of the facts.

Obama is black. Blacks voted for Obama because he is black. Obama has done nothing to help the blacks but they will still vote for him in 2012 just because he is black. It's just a fact. If I were black I would vote for him. It's just a fact. Blacks still maintain OJ is innocent because he is black. It's just a fact. That's the way it is.

Herman Cain isn't voting for Obama.

Why are you posting under two names, jj? I think one of you is enough.

You are probably correct in saying Herman Cain isn't voting for Obama. But isn't Herman Cain a conservative? Black Conservatives will never vote for a liberal because then they wouldn't be a conservative. Black conservatives just like white conservatives think alike. We all share the same outlook. We see Obama's left-leaning views as being not what we want for our families.

Blacks voted for Obama because he is black. Obama has done nothing to help the blacks but they will still vote for him in 2012 just because he is black. It's just a fact.

So, it's not a fact afterall, eh?

Yes it still is a fact. Most black people will still vote for Obama in 2012 even though he hasn't done anything to help them for the past 3 years, for the simple reason Obama is black. Sad but it's a fact.

Indeed, Diedre. You are precisely correct. In fact, Leftists have been using Blacks for decades...

Oh. isn't that cute? Little Danielle is back calling people names because he can't put together a cogent argument. Kind of sad, really.

Blacks don't vote as block anymore than whites vote as a block. They vote for what they feel is in their best interests, like any rational voter. And all of you know this, as you illustrate the reason that the Republican National Convention looks like a white power rally.

The Republican Party has not done 1 thing to address the needs and concerns of the black community. They do not reach out to the constituents and they seem to be completely apathetic to any specific issues. Conversely they espouse policies that directly hurt many members of the black community (healthcare policies, tax policy, abortion, women's rights, etc) to such a a great extent that even a "conservative" black person would be voting against many of his self interest if he votes Republican. Blacks are not chickens pecking at a ballot with a black square and a white square. Blacks vote their self-interest just like everybody else. We have been voting for white presidents for years. How do these academics explain that?

Abortion is NOT a woman's issue. It was born out of racism and white supremacy. Search "Maafa 21" on youtube. Abortion is Black genocide.

And the biggest threat to the Black community is the war on Drugs. It was racist in its origin and racist in its implementation. It allows the police to violate our civil rights in our homes and in the street. 10% of the black population has at some point been incarcerated for non-violent drug offences (5 times more that whites, even though whites and blacks use and sell drugs at about the same rate). And what happens when you get a police record, you're cast as a second class citizen for the rest of your life, relegated to either a life of crime or a life of abject poverty. Modern day slavery and Jim crow all wrapped up in a shinny big-government authoritarian bow. So, as far as I (a black person) am concerned, if a politician is pro drug war, he's anti-Black People.

And Obama is Pro-drug war.

Margaret Sanger was a noted racist and yet she is still hailed as some kind of woman's advocate. All lies. I have dug into this issue, it is shocking, Lisa.

"10% of the black population has at some point been incarcerated for non-violent drug offences (5 times more that whites, even though whites and blacks use and sell drugs at about the same rate)." Wow, and it is true that having a criminal record will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Affirmed so yesterday. This deadly, wasteful, useless war has gone on all my life with no sign of ending.

Margret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, wasn't just some ordinary back woods racist. She was so badass that Hitler took pointers from HER!!

Sanger wasn't homicidal. That sick bitch was genocidal. And yet she gets praise today from the likes of Hillary Clinton (who called her a "strong woman"), and Barack Obama. It makes me want to vomit!

"The Republican Party has not done 1 thing to address the needs and concerns of the black community." -- Team

You must be joking. And, not reading and comprehending. Take a look at all of the failed Inner-Cities, Team. Then, do a bit of research. Who has been running those Cities for DECADES? Who have Blacks been voting for for DECADES, and how have their Lives improved??? Please tell me where their lives have improved!!!

Leftists have done nothing but deepen the poverty, the slums, the misery...wake up, and stop buying this nonsense.

And, stop looking to Repubes to do it...if you want the lives of EVERY AMERICAN to improve, look to Conservatism.

Abortion is not a woman's issue?!? Is it a man's issue? A politician's issue? I agree that the drug war has been extremely destructive to the black community but blaming Obama for the drug war started 40 years ago is a LOOONG stretch. Also tyring to say that Obama praises MArgaret Sanger is also a bi stretch. Anyone can try to twist the truth to fit their argument but we should all be better than that. Obama does not "endorse" Margaret Sanger when he supports Planned Parenthood. He advocates for the millions of women who use the service to get mammograms , family planning and all the services that Planned Parenthood offers.

To Mark-John: Your argument is extremely short-sighted. There are many factors that have undermined the black community, most of them having to do with institutional racism and bias that has gone on for years - perpetrated by corporate interests who have preyed on the poor. Redlining, stop-and-frisk, the roundup of blacks on minor drug offenses, disproportionate drug sentencing laws, supermarket redlining, inequity in schools, and on and on and on. Too many politicians on both sides are in the pockets of the mega-corporations who exploit the poor to make more wealth. If a Republican or a Democrat can fix that I will gladly vote for them!!

What good is a breast exam without a mammogram? Any woman can do her own breast exam. Planned parenthood is all about birth control.

Team, thanks for the reply.

Nonsense. Which is why you've made no attempt to reply specifically to what I've said. Deep down...you know I speak the Truth. If you'd had any Courage, and Truth is what you Truly seek, you'd have responded to that which I've said in challenge to your false assertions. The Leftist has done NOTHING for Blacks...but to use them.

"If a Republican or a Democrat can fix that I will gladly vote for them!!" -- Team

Rubbish. There, you see...? You hadn't paid attention to a word I've said. This, I've specifically said to YOU:

"And, stop looking to Repubes to do it...if you want the lives of EVERY AMERICAN to improve, look to Conservatism." --

If you want to make progress...Read!...and wake up.

"Margret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, wasn't just some ordinary back woods racist. She was so badass that Hitler took pointers from HER!!" Don't get me started on Margaret Sanger! I have learned more about her than I ever wanted to know when I was challenged for this article. It is amazing that she is so revered. It makes no sense.

"Abortion is not a woman's issue?!? Is it a man's issue? A politician's issue?", it is a child. The child never has a say.

Mark,

I'm not going to go around the board repeating what I said, so very specifically - I do not believe that "Leftist" government officials are primarily responsible for the troubles in the African American community. I read your statement and replied with a few of the myriad of reasons why blacks have had struggles over the past 30-40 years and not much of them have to do with who was the mayor or governor or city council members. Because of this I did state that either Democrats or Republicans could step up to help address these issues much better.

To put it another way so there is NO misunderstanding:
I will vote for the politician (Dem or Repub) who ends redlining
I will vote for the politician who ends stop-and-frisk
I will vote for the politician who curbs corporate excess
I will vote for the politician who levels the tax playing field (rich and poor paying the same)
I am not going to go on forever but I hope that you get my point (for more of this check this link).
I do have courage Mark and I speak the truth. I also write for a living on these issues and more. I have no reason to "Lie" and I'm not trying to "win". Just having dialog, that's all.

it is a child. The child never has a say.

Actually, the medical term for "it" is a zygote from the time of fertilization, lasting 5 days. On the 5th day, it becomes a blastocyst. This goes on for up to 8 weeks, then it becomes an embryo. "It" is known as a fetus from the 9th week on.
It becomes a "child" when it's born.
So, Republicans care about zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses and allegedly children. How about grown, human adults?
That's another story, now isn't it?

j - it has to be a "viable" fetus in order to be charged.

Most conseverative Blacks I know are Libertarian. A few are Republican. Very few are Democrats. And I am in the deep south.

Very few are Democrats

Is that because of their attachment to guns in the deep south?

I'm glad they're libertarian and attached to firearms. The good thing about the South is that it is the closest we have to a warrior culture. I admire the Southern ideal and lifestyle.

You mean vigilante culture?

Joy, it pains these libs to hear that yes, there are blacks who vote their own agenda. There are blacks who vote for the candidate who fits their own idea of how government should be run. Lora, not all blacks vote for Obama just because he is black. There are blacks who do not espouse Obama's view and they will not vote for Obama just because he is black but because they don't share his philosophy.

BTW - this question "Is that because of their attachment to guns in the deep south?" was a universal reference to all southerners regardless of color.

Trust me, if there comes a time when you need to use a gun against someone in your own government, you're already dead so you may as well lay the gun down.

So, why do they keep their guns? To protect your home. Fine. I have a gun in my home.

What should be outlawed is concealed weapon permits. Nobody needs a gun outside their home.

"I will not vote for Obama because I believe in the Constitution and Liberty. I believe in the sovereignty of the nation. I will never vote for a socialist/ Marxist/ totalitarian regardless of the color of their skin." -- jj

Notice that this comment goes ignored, jj. Leftists cannot stand a Man who tells the Truth...

Go down the list of socialist/communist goals and Lora will agree with each point. So, what's there to disguss and have a conversation about? There's nothing intelligent or genius about socialism or communism. Lora only has half the story of communism, the lies part.

Do you know the origin of "Mulatto"?
Why do you use that term?

I guess you're addressing me. First, I am not afraid to express my thoughts in words that are not PC, most people I know know that and I pull no punches. I really don't find the term offensive at all, it is just a description.

IIRC, it is of Spanish origin describing a person of mixed race, Black/White or Black/American Indian. It is also traced to Galacian-Portuguese word, "mula" and even further, Latin, word "mulus." It comes from the meaning of "mule," resulting from a horse father and a donkey mother. Mule is also used in many other animals too like a "mule duck" is a result of an offspring between a Muscovy duck and a Pekin or Mallard duck. GEtting back to the origin, the Islamic Arabs used a similar word as well.

And you find nothing demeaning about that term? Or Perhaps that was your point, to demean the POTUS.

I thought mulatto was a commonly accepted word, just as mestizo is accepted in Hispanic culture. It is used for a mix of European/Native American descent.

"I really don't find the term offensive at all, it is just a description.", I think he meant it just as he said, William, a description. Why not give the benefit of the doubt?

Well Hours later we hear nothing from Winston and Windy Willy...I guess just like most progressives they just assumed the term offensive...since it was spoken by a conservative! LOL!

Yeah ,we cannot be afraid of words. Heck, I'm multi-cultural myself, made up of many background so I've been called almost every name in the book. For the most part I shrug it off, but since I was bullied a lot as a kid, I'm a typical amateur radio nerd, if I'm physically attacked that's when I fight back.

Demeaning to the POTUS, he does that quite well himself.

If they vote Democratic, then they aren't really conservatives. They may not be full fledged leftists, but they certainly are not conservatives.

So how should a fiscal conservative but liberal on social policies vote? If they vote Republican, they are throwing their civil rights and freedoms out the window. If they vote Democrat, they are going against their spending principles.

"If they vote Democratic, then they aren't really conservatives. They may not be full fledged leftists, but they certainly are not conservatives." Of course.

"If they vote Republican, they are throwing their civil rights and freedoms out the window." Of course that is not true.

If they vote Republican they are throwing their civil rights out the window!
Hogwash!!!! A lot of blacks are going to vote for Obama no matter what simply because he is black. A lot of blacks are also going to vote their conscience irregardless and vote for the candidate which espouses their own values and beliefs no matter the color of the candidate.

At 9:51 on the morning of June 10, 1964, REPUBLICAN Senator Robert C. Byrd completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier. The subject was the pending Civil Rights Act of 1964, a measure that occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays.

DEMOCRATS passed the Civil Rights Act and REPUBLICANS did everything they could to stop it.

Why would a black person ever cast a vote for a republican?

That's reason enough for every black in America to vote for Obama.

Lora, Lora, Lora, this is 2012 not 1964. Give us some credit. The current Republican party lives and breathes in 2012 (unlike the Dems still trying to squeeze some more juice out of the Kennedy years). We espouse many values which appeal to conservative people of all color. Our values are timeless and appeal to everyone no matter creed or color. I think more so than the leftist leaning, Marxist, Socialistic, Communistic thinking Democratic "one for all and all for one" Obama liberals.

Our values are timeless and appeal to everyone no matter creed or color

BS! Republican "values" apply to white, male, straight, christians only.
You should read the Democrat party platform and compare it to that of the GOP (if you guys have one - you probably don't put to many of those "values" down in writing though, I would assume)

The Republican values apply to all in this great country. Show me where we specify anyone not welcome. We want to bring this country back to greatness and stop the descent toward socialism espoused by the Dems.

" Show me where we specify anyone not welcome. We want to bring this country back to greatness and stop the descent toward socialism", awesome, Deidre! Perhaps there is a list somewhere..?

As if the Republicans are conservative. HA!! Romney consrvative??? MY ASS!!

Obama = Romney with healthcare

[I'm a Black libertarian (registered Republican), and I support RON PAUL!!}

You're black and you support Ron Paul?! Have you seen his newsletters?!

He didn't write the news letters.

His name is at the top of the letters. They represent his views.

The author of the racist articles is a retired journalist who wrote for Forbes Magazine. They do not represent his views. They don't even represent his writing tone.

Ron Paul was not aware of the articles until 10 years after the fact. He has since disavowed them and apologized for not being more vigilant. He didn't write them. Let it go.

""The author of the racist articles is a retired journalist who wrote for Forbes Magazine. They do not represent his views. They don't even represent his writing tone.""

"his" meaning Paul's

Some moths are just drawn to the flame. No one knows the reason.

A guy with newsletters being published with his name in bold letters at the top, and he's not aware of the contents...this is someone qualified to be president? I think not.

So that's what you have against Ron Paul? Articles that he didn't write? Sad.... no, pathetic.

A fervent defender of the 1st Amendment was lax in his non-existent duty to censor a libertarian rag nigh 20 years ago, and it's trotted out like he burned a cross yesterday.

That's the best anyone can do to besmirch the man, he's that straight. It's so ridiculous it amounts to an endorsement.

Last chance to give this man his due.

If it makes sense to you to put someone in charge of something just so they can claim no responsibility when it goes horribly wrong later, you are the one that is pathetic.

He did claim responsibility for the newsletters, and he apologized.

Got any legitimate claims against Ron Paul? No? Moving on then....

Lisa, I like Ron Paul, but I am concerned about his "hands off" approach with foreign policy...

Like any low-life community activist, they just make things happen. Gee, how could anyone blame them for their actions. Leftist, liberal progressives never take responsibity.

The Republican party can't win elections without the bigot vote. They need to rally the anti-gay bigots, the anti-women bigots, the anti-Muslim bigots, the anti-black bigots, the anti-science bigots, the anti-any-religion-not-the-right-religion-bigots, the anti-whatever-lie-they-feel-like-making-up-bigots, etc, etc, etc.

Notice how the tea party swarmed to their "savior-of-the-week" right after that person issued their bigoted edict. [Good examples include Donald Trump after he went birther, Herman Cain after he expressed his anti-Muslim bigotry, Newt Gingrich after he appealed to the bigots in South Carolina, Rick Santorum after he reminded everyone of his anti-gay bigotry (and subsequently his anti-contraceptive bigotry)] See a trend? Yep.

David K. You are so wrong. The Republican party is a huge umbrella which covers everyone. Reading the posts on this thread it appears to me the liberals (especially you) are the only ones posting bigotted views. The tea party is a very small part of the Republican party.

If it's not "RACIST" it's "BIGOT" because they have NOTHING else. Feeble minded morons the whole lot of them.

You got it JJ. They are all frauds led by the biggest fraud to ever hold the office of President.

"The Republican party can't win elections without the bigot vote." Isn't it interesting that it always seems to be the left bringing up race?

It certainly is...

maybe true conservatives need to get behind the Libertarian third Party

Dream on. It just ain't gonna happen. Ron Paul just ain't gonna count for nothing so you have to pick your poison.

Most third party "members" are Democrats posing as something else because they're embarrassed.

I'm a Black conservative, and I didn't vote in the last election. However, I can see how a Black conservative could have chosen for Obama over McCain. McCain is an in-your-face blood-lusting lunatic. Obama's blood-lust is a bit more subtle (but it was always there if you looked close enough).

And between Obama and Romney, I see NO difference at all what so ever. If you're going to vote for one of them, you may as well stay home because it makes no difference.

The difference is Romney has so many faces, you don't really know which one he will show in the White House.
With Obama, you can be more sure of what you're voting for.

"""With Obama, you can be more sure of what you're voting for."""

Absolutely!! With Obama, you know you're going to get more corporate bailouts for his buddies at Goldman Sachs, an escalation of the war on drugs against Black people, a dismantling of the 4th amendment, no habeas corpus or due process, more wars, more TSA molestations. Yeah, we ALL know what you get with Obama. And after Libya, I can't WAIT to see what fucked up thing Obama does next to Africa.

Hi Lisa. I haven't had the pleasure.

Lisa, can you not see that it is about race only for Leftist Dems, when race has nothing to do with anything a'tall?? Just have a go at the title of this piece. Its premise alone is based on race; ridiculous.

If racism plays any part at all, it would be the racism fostered by Blacks that would induce a Black Conservative to vote Leftist. Wouldn't you agree that you'd pay Hell to Blacks for voting Conservative, moreso than you would to anyone else?



"And the biggest threat to the Black community is the war on Drugs. It was racist in its origin and racist in its implementation. It allows the police to violate our civil rights in our homes and in the street. 10% of the black population has at some point been incarcerated for non-violent drug offences (5 times more that whites, even though whites and blacks use and sell drugs at about the same rate). And what happens when you get a police record, you're cast as a second class citizen for the rest of your life, relegated to either a life of crime or a life of abject poverty. Modern day slavery and Jim crow all wrapped up in a shinny big-government authoritarian bow. So, as far as I (a black person) am concerned, if a politician is pro drug war, he's anti-Black People." -- Lisa

Additionally, I encourage you to reconsider your opinion on the "drug war." It is nothing of the sort; Illicit Drugs are illegal for the harm they do to SOCIETY. Including the harm they do to Blacks.Your assertion that it has anything to do with "race" is, well, a racism of its very little own. You've used statistics to back your assertion that this is a ruse against Blacks; nonsense. Firstly, if you know statistics and Math, it is Whites who are disproportionately incarcerated. Sorry for the inconvenient Truth. Also...Drugs are equal-opportunity Life-Destroyers...you might reconsider, and laud the effort to help ALL; Black, White, Latino, Brown, Yellow....

If you don't find it incredulous and tragic that most Blacks aren't Conservatives (which I most certainly do, for the following reason), please have a look at the most pathetically-FAILED Cities in the United States; the Cities with the most poor; the Cities with the highest Poverty, misery, failed Families, inner-city slums, and violent Crime. Then, take it a step further, and investigate who has been running these Cities for the last 5 decades. Then, you might ask yourself who votes in the inner-City. Then, to suspend disbelief even futher, you MUST ask yourself why Blacks would continue to vote for those who Truly enslave them; Leftists. If this doesn't give you pause, it should.

The worst thing Humanity can do to itself is feign a fraudulent pity upon Humanity. This is what Leftists have been perpetrating upon Blacks for DECADES. ...

...and would you care to tell me to what end? How has the Leftist improved the Life of the Black?

Answer: It hasn't.

Ummm, like i said above, I am a conservative Black person. A Ron Paul Republican to be exact. There is no way in hell I would ever blindly vote for anyone no matter what ticket they are on, which is why I didn't vote in the last Presidential election. Obama sucks, yes. But then so did McCain and so does Romney.

As for your argument on the drug war, you are mistaken:

1) "Compared to Non-blacks, California’s African-American population are 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana, 12 times more likely to be imprisoned for a marijuana felony arrest, and 3 times more likely to be imprisoned per marijuana possession arrest. Overall, as Figure 3 illustrates, these disparities accumulate to 10 times’ greater odds of an African-American being imprisoned for marijuana than other racial/ethnic groups."
http://cjcj.org/files/Misdemeanor_marijuana_arrests.pdf

2) The drug war’s main focus is on Marijuana - a non-toxic non-addictive substance that has been used as a medicine by human beings for over 5,000 YEARS. And in that time, there hasn't been one death from a marijuana overdose. More people have died from aspirin than have died from Marijuana.

3) Prohibition is the main source of death & violence surrounding drugs. Alcohol prohibition gave rise to Al Capone. How many gangs are out there now killing each other over moonshine they made in their bath tubs? Ridiculous right? It’s about as ridiculous as incarcerating millions of people for possessing bags of dried flowers (aka, marijuana).

"Sorry for the inconvenient Truth."

"2) The drug war’s main focus is on Marijuana - a non-toxic non-addictive substance that has been used as a medicine by human beings for over 5,000 YEARS." -- Lisa

Rubbish.


"3) Prohibition is the main source of death & violence surrounding drugs." --

Nonsense. You've been lied-to, Hon.

"Ummm, like i said above, I am a conservative Black person. A Ron Paul Republican to be exact." -- Lisa

Oh? Though I like many things about Paul, his Foreign Policy is indistinguishable from that of the Leftist. ;)



1) "Compared to Non-blacks, California’s African-American population are 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana, 12 times more likely to be imprisoned for a marijuana felony arrest, and 3 times more likely to be imprisoned per marijuana possession arrest." --

Sorry, Hon; this is only nearly-True, and is so only because they commit the majority of the Crimes (proportionately).

Sorry for the Inconvenient Truth.

"Marijuana becomes focus of Drug War"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/03/AR2005050301638.html

"Whites and African Americana use and sell drugs at about the same rate"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-rushing/the-reasons-why-so-many-b_b_883310.html
{Racist much, Mark}

Prohibition IS the source of drug violence:
http://reason.com/archives/2003/01/29/prohibition-violence

And Paul's non-interventionist beliefs are historically CONSERVATIVE

Thanks for playing Mark. You lose.

NEXT!!

Laughs!!!

Drone. Another liar...a Leftist who calls herself a "conservative." You need to be told by morons what to believe. Learn to think for yourself.

I didn't say Whites and Blacks use and sell drugs at different rates, genius; you might consider to get yourself familiar with the definition of the word "PROPORTIONATELY." I've spelled it for you; you should have no problem finding it. ;)

Wrong again, Hon. Pacifism is not the "historical" policy of the United States. Ask the Barbary Pirates.

Check and Mate, Darling.

Oh my God, you're an idiot.

Well Thank You!

I rather like you, as well. :)

Prior to Lisa and Mark-John delving into the drug issue, the thread was common-sensical. Guys, put the drug shit aside. Lisa I feel your pain. McCain was a total war-monger (look at how hard he is trying to get the US involved in Syria right now). Romney is a total ass-wipe. Obama is a complete sell-out to big corporations. Poor us. What to do? What to do? Methinks we will have to hold our nose in November and do what our conscience tells us, but do vote no matter for whom but do vote. Many lives have been lost over the years protecting our right to vote so consider your vote precious and exercise it. All will be well in the end.

"""With Obama, you can be more sure of what you're voting for."""

Yep, you can be SURE you're voting for a communist.

Nate Ted you are so correct. Obama is such a socialist at heart. It just kills me to see all the European countries which adopted socialism after WW2 (although in their defense at the time they didn't have much of a choice) but now they are all being brought to their knees economically with the astronomical costs of the "welfare state" and shouldn't America see that instead of going down that same road? It's just such a no-brainer. Duh!

Remember when Obama was running and all we heard about was what Europe thought about this and that. We were actually only hearing from the socialist/communists from Europe with a connection to the socialist/communist/democrats here.

You have some moments of lucidity, Diedre...try to pay attention. You wax poetic about voting, and sing about its import, and yet we have a Girl here who is completely misguided with regard to the Truth. One who also has a vote.

Don't ever tell me what I can or cannot discuss.

Stop! Obama is not a Communist. Obama is a Socialist. There is a difference. Obama wants to put every citizen in the US under the care of the government. That is socialism. Obama will drain our country dry of money in order to equalize our society. Free healthcare, free money to reproduce, free money for riding the bus, free money to buy food, free money for everything and the government will pay for everything. It's called Socialism. Obama will be dead and buried when the bill comes due. What the fuck does he care?

And in the meantime what pays for all this social welfare for all? Taxes people. We are currently at roughly 1/3 of our pay going for taxes. When all the social engineering programs get going (if Obama gets his way) you can see your taxes at the same level of those poor Europeans at around 80% of your pay going for taxes. You got to pay for all the wonderful benefits the government will be giving you for "free". Wake up America. Look to Western Europe to see what is ahead if you vote for Obama. Sure you will get cradle to the grave government taking care of you, but it ain't "free". Personally, I like it better now.

now now mark-john - are you positive she was waxing poetic about voting? maybe she was waning poetic .... or even wafting a faint essence about voting?

we dare not be too hasty you know! unless it is hasty pudding - which is a completely different matter!

free money to reproduce

So, you disagree with the Catholic church and you DO want women on birth control? Cuz that ain't money to reproduce. That's money to stop the inbreeding.

"There is no way in hell I would ever blindly vote for anyone no matter what ticket they are on." Go, Lisa!

"we dare not be too hasty you know! unless it is hasty pudding - which is a completely different matter!" Del, made me laugh ;-)

"You clearly don't know what communism is." Well why don't YOU educate me oh brilliant one.
"Firstly, a TRUE communist environment has never existed." Why do I think you're about to tell us how true Communism is done.
"So how would you, who never crack a history book or any book unless it's a Bible, know anything about Communism?" Ah, here comes the communist hatred for the Bible.
Shall we start by talking about the hundreds of millions of human being murderd under Communism? Shall we talk about all the great "equality" and "freedoms" under Communism? What is it that you could teach me genius?

so now you are saying The poor and minorities are inbreeding?

If you consider Catholics poor and minorities, yes.

Well why don't YOU educate me oh brilliant one.

If I had a free decade, I would teach you. However, I do not have the patience nor the time. Look it up for yourself. I know you conservatives are used to having your information spoon-fed to you. Take some initiative. You might actually learn something.

"free money to reproduce"

Lora, Isn't that just so like you to pick up on just that one aspect of all the items I listed that socialism will bring. I grew up under a socialist government in a country that had no choice due to WW2 and while it was necessary at that time, that country is now at the brink of economic collapse due to the weight of "government welfare" (i.e., socialism.) Biggest reason being the population of that country has completely exploded due to socialist government immigration laws which has brought them to their current state. The grand socialist experiment did work until the influx of so many immigrants. To institute that type of socialistic "welfare state" which Obama espouses in a country as large as America just ain't gonna fly!

Way to go, Lisa! We need more people (instead of "sheeple") like you. We have to give up the herd mentality. Sure there are times you need to band together, but you need to think for yourself too. I admit I'm more of a Santorum guy, although Paul has it correct on fiscal issues as well and domestic issues, the foreign policy, not so much but any of the candidates we have are heck of a sight better than what we have now. I'm afraid I have to go with Romney, yes, he's not my first choice and there are some reservation I have, but at least he is not an America hater and a Communist. We also stand to get most of what we want with him, not so with Obama. You might disagree, but that's just my take on things.

This post started out to be "Why Conservative Blacks Vote Democrat". I don't think they do. Conservative blacks vote for the candidate who espouses their view no matter Dem or Republican. Truly, most of the blacks in the US are going to vote for Obama simply because he is black. True conservative blacks do not have a "sheep being herded" mentality and will vote for the candidate who expresses their concerns no matter color.

"Why Conservative Blacks Vote Democrat" is an insane title. It must be a leftist lie.

Actually it is a conclusion based on a discussion -- "Racial Identity and Political Attitudes" -- by political scientists.

Actually Lora, Conservative Blacks would never vote Democrat since then they would not be Conservative would they?

Deidre you are so right. It is such a stupid claim. This type of BS is just a newer leftist lie tactic. All they do and say is nothing but a pack of lies.
A liberal conclusion to a predetermined goal. What a farce.

"If you want blacks, you have to deal with the image of the Republicans as associated with racism. They're ripe for the pickings if Republicans would ease up on that part of their image." So manipulative and quite arrogant....academia speak. It is so wrong.

There are plenty of Blacks who get it and see the manipulating from the left, and more and more are seeing it every day. We don't need any liberals telling us what we need to do.

Unfortunately, Opinate, that's not quite True. I know Blacks who do "get it"...but, that still leaves roughly 93% of the entire Black Population...voting for Obama...

It makes me ill...

having a wife that was raised in senegal, and a fair number of relatives that were born and raised there - some of whom will get downright rowdy at the phrase "african american" i personally know more than a 'few', and read blogs by many, that are black, and would NEVER vote for obama, or any other socialist. they also recognize the dems have always been the party of choice for the majority of the kkk.

Yes; but that doesn't account for or explain the other 93%.

it certainly doesnt

Did I already say how stupid the title of this article is?

Did I already say that anyone who takes the time to comment that what they are commenting on is stupid is even more stupid?

No, but I'd love to get that lesson on communism from you. And along with it, I'd love to hear about the wonderful track record for communism. Why don't you enlighten me since you think you're an expert on the benefits of communism.

<<< CRICKETS >>>

Once you bring that up, Nate, they clam up and all you hear is crickets chirping.

Yeah like it's all a big secret (lie). I guess ya had to be there. How many times have you heard a useful idiot tell us that we just don't understand communism.

I'm not Fox News. I'm not going to spoon feed you the information I want you to know and repeat.

"I simply stated that you didn't know what Communism was and that true Communism has never existed." So that's their response to the criticism of communism? Tell that to the hundreds of millions of human beings who were murders under communist rule. "True communism" never will exist, it's a pipe dream, a utopian dream. Have you ever heard the old saying "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is"? Well, as far as communism goes, that statement is true. Talk about lazy, not getting facts, being spoon fed information, you're right there like a child being bottle fed. You follow the MSM without questioning the obvious lies, then you repeat and repeat it like a parrot. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what I don't know about communism. What keeps a genius like yourself hanging on to an imposible dream. Tell me how the rest who have tried communism failed and how America will do it right. Tell me, I want to know. In reality, you know you can't explain, yet you follow believing and trusting in a failed idea, because in reality, common sense and logic come into the picture. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." You can continue to live in Oz, and NOT look at the man behind the curtain, just as you've been told.

What a crock. Perhaps talking to black conservatives would help people understand. Racism? You bet - in the Democrat party.

Pick up a history book Marilyn. It will blow your little mind.

I don't know where you found your history book, but it was the Democrat party who created the KKK. It was the Republicans who fought to free the slaves, for Civil Rights, and for the right for Blacks to vote. It was the Republicans who fought for a woman's right to vote. And it was the Democrat party who fought it all the way. Robert the KKK recruiter Byrd was elected again and again and was muched loved by his fellow Democrats.

Absolutely correct, Opinate.

Opinion, you're absolutely right. And I guess they have amnesia when it comes to Sen. Byrd, and the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually wrote the Civil Rights Bill that the democrats would not pass.

They fought JFK on the bill too and it wasn't until LBJ that they finally passed it.

It's so easy to look this stuff up for those of you who weren't around when the Civil Rights Movement was in full swing.

When they've got nothing, they try the insults. Stupid calling the professor dumb.

Here's how the votes broke down -- keep in mind a "Southern Democrat" is the equivalent of a modern day Republican and the "Northern Democrats" are modern day Democrats.
Now, which party supports Civil Rights?


The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

So easy to look up

So, in other words, black is white and white is black, earth is above us and the sky is under us. How stupid is that?
Arguing with idiots.

Lora, God Bless You for trying to get some of these people to read a book and learn some history. The Southern Strategy is real. The change in the parties after the early 1960's is real. NO ONE can use the argument that Democrats or Republicans of the pre-1960's have the same racial beliefs as those post 60's. Anyone who uses that argument is UNINFORMED!

With that said, too many people just want to "win" an argument instead of using logic, TRUTH and then subjectivity. Good luck with the thread. You have work to do (ha, ha!).

Opinion Nate and others: Please READ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

TA, we can look at today's Democrats and SEE that they're racists, whether they're black or white. Just look at our president. RACIST through and through.

This thread is AMAZING! I cannot believe how many distortions and false truths there are in America and many of them are exposing themselves in this thread. First of all it is ridiculous to call Obama or any candidate for president a socialist or a marxist. This is just rhetoric and it has no place for a logical and civil discussion. Just because you believe that the government should have a role in taking care of its citizens does not make a person a socialist - it makes him a person who has a heart and who cares for his fellow man!

Second, for all the comments from people referring to the history of the democratic and republican parties as a justification for the present - history is history. Both on the left and the right should study the period of the 1960's and look up the "Southern Strategy" that in effect flipped many southern (and racist) democrats to the Republican party.

We cannot "cherry pick" history to suit our own agenda and we cannot use the past as absolutes for our future (the world is a lot different than it was when the constitution was written as well as when Margaret Sanger ran Planned Parenthood).

Hope everyone has a good day and chill a little on the rhetoric. Black people who vote for Obama are not racist - that is an insult to the intelligence of every black person who votes for him. All people of all colors SHOULD vote for their candidate based on the issues and not the drivel that the media spoon feeds the masses.

I do not think the government should have a role in taking care of people. No, I don't believe that everyone should be cut off, but come on! Every heard of tough love? I am doing more for my children by teaching them how to get through trials and troubles than bailing them out of every bad thing that comes there way. And that makes me heartless? And as for black people not voting for Obama because he is black........come on! Really? I can guarantee people, black and white, voted for him because he was black (at least some), just as I am sure that some people voted against him for the same reason.

The world is just not fair and America has not been fair from its inception. The government will never right its wrongs and the corruption in politics will always remain. Government shouldn't help everyone but they shouldn't screw people over either link.

Teach your kids and raise them well Devin. You are doing more than many parents!