An atheist sign meant to provoke those in the Pensylvannia legistlature to do away with honoring the Bible, has instead provoked anger from all. The billboard depicts an a slave who is black and a sign with a biblical quote: "Slaves obey your master."
According to the Huffington Post, "Perce and the atheist sponsors of the billboard said they are dismayed that people were offended by the image instead of what he called injustices in the Bible and legislators naming 2012 'The Year of the Bible.'"
Perce has received death threats because of the billboard. No one it seems understood their message. So what is their message: There message is to take the Bible out of context to promote their own message of hate and not love. Love is the message of Christians and their Bible, and because of their own hatred and mean-spirited billboard, the atheists have lost this round.
The billboard is hateful. No one wants to be reminded of the awful past of racism, and least of all, does anyone have the right to use those images to provoke hatred. The sign was a disgusting disply of racism. The good news is the billboard was taken down withint 24 hours, and no one got hurt.
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Eph 5:21 for both, Eph 5:25-33 applied to both, not making one gender the head of the other, children obey your parents, parents don't provoke your children, and that crap about slavery can burn in Hell!!! That's what I have to say to those who take the Bible literally.
My Presbyterian minister said to take it in context, that we should all love eachother the way Christ loved the church, and that the reason why wives were expected to submit, that the husband was the head, was that wives were not much better than slaves in those days, in the days of the Bible, and that husbands, of whatever ethnicity didn't constitute slavery in those days, were the "masters" of the era.
it discusses love, honor, cherish, obey, slow to anger, not to envy, be jeolous or boastful.
for BOTH genders.
paul can have certain versus taken to construe many things.
like, better to be celibate than married - which is ione the roman catholics keyed in on.
paul has to be rad in entirety to have full context.
ask any promise keeper, how they view their wives - it is a mutual obediance, and a celebration of the differnt talents.
foir example, many men have a slight edge on objective logic, but women ..... never ever, doubt the the inuition of a woman, as her pure enotional logic will outshine a man every time.
it is fully to be equal - not the same - but to celebrate the differences, embrace them, use them for mutual support, and the 2 together will be 1000 times stronger than the 1 + 1 of them.
not provoloing your children, does not mea to let them do what they want - but instead to take their actions in context of their age, maturity and experience and DISCILPLINE and teach them as needed.
npow - th4ere are some old testement quotes, where women were trated as a pure 2nd in command.
but as the new testement says clearly, FChrist brought us a new covenant - the times, they were a-changin, even then.
Eph 5:21 Submit one to another. OK fine. When I say something about money, my husband listens, because he knows that's one of my specialties. When it came time to get a new TV and get it set up, or get better internet, he totally took care of it. Does that mean he's my head, or that sometimes I use my left hand for certain things, and other times I use my right hand? So what if I'm lefthanded, cut off my right hand, and I guarantee I would not be sitting here typing 120 wpm!!
I said NOTHING about not provoking children meaning they could run wild. Parental authority over children? Fine, as long as parents don't abuse that authority. A parent (even a very young one!) will know more about life and safety than a toddler.
Yes in Paul's letter to the Corinthians he spoke of love being patient, kind, etc. It was in Ephesians that he started dividing things up into genders. "Respect each for the unique abilities" is one thing, but in the bible the woman is actually mentioned as the WEAKER VESSEL. OK maybe we're not all as physically strong as men, but when a MAN tried to pull me out of a cab and attack me, I fought back and won. Different but equal perhaps, but there is no room in equality for authority. If someone has authority over me, then he is NOT my equal.
but where in an equal partnership is there room for a HEAD?
being the head does not mean the master in any real mans opinion.
i think it was cosby said, i am the head, but my wife is the neck, and tiurns me anywhere she wants me to go.
i believe in the bible, that it talks about all parts being equal - the head is no more important than the legs etc.
yes, at the time it was written - the woman was coinsidered the weaker vessell, and in many instances still is - but that does NOT mean she is helpless, dumber, or has less abilities.
If someone has authority over me, then he is NOT my equal.
that is true - and if you have authority over someone, then they are not YOUR equal.
the point is that authority is a shared obligation.
again, talk to anyone that has ever been involved in 'promise keepers' .
do not want to rule you, do not want to be ruled by you - simply want a fully equal status, that sees the differences, and utilizes them, so the 2 are even stronger than the 2 individuals added together.
"The whole submit thing is to treat your spouse better than you treat yourself. "
That is a nice thought, but why not use "selflessly love" as opposed to "submit?"
Dictionary.com defines "submit" as:
submit
[suhb-mit] Origin
sub·mit
[suhb-mit] Show IPA verb, -mit·ted, -mit·ting.
verb (used with object)
1.
to give over or yield to the power or authority of another (often used reflexively).
2.
to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3.
to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
4.
to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usually followed by a clause): I submit that full proof should be required.
verb (used without object)
5.
to yield oneself to the power or authority of another: to submit to a conqueror.
6.
to allow oneself to be subjected to some kind of treatment: to submit to chemotherapy.
7.
to defer to another's judgment, opinion, decision, etc.: I submit to your superior judgment.
I love how you see this verse, but if this is really what it is supposed to mean, I would have expected the translator to come up with a much better word than the one defined above.
Here's the link to where I found this definition.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/submit
The head/neck quote was also referenced in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." It's everywhere. However, I am of the belief, and know a lot of people who share the belief that I am capable of thinking for myself, thus I need not influence anyone to make a final decision for me. While it is true that you can not have a head without a neck on which to place it, a body may not be the most accurate team-of-working-parts to use when trying to describe certain relationships. Sure the head/neck may work for some, but not for everyone.
When a person steers their car, their hands and arms work together. When someone walks, their legs work together, otherwise they'd be limping. My husband and I learn from eachother, and influence eachother in that our different thought processes make up one unique combination that is our TEAM, but we are equal. I don't need to influence him to always make final decisions, because he's a MAN. To see the two of us work together, is to watch two feet climb a latter, to watch two hands steer a bicycle, to watch two oxen pull a cart, to watch two people tied together in a three-legged run.
Someone asked him just the other day if he was the head of the house. He said "the only way I'm going to be the head OF the house is if my wife is headless." If someone were to ask me if I was the head of the household, I'd respond that the only way I'm going to be the head Of the household would be for my husband to become headless. What about the old saying "two heads are better than one?"
My favorite description of a woman is the Proverbs 31 woman. What strength. What business sense.
to never know the true mental and emotional intimacy of a shared process - true converstation, actual mutual decisions, unified goals and agendas.
where submit also means (as in the refernce) present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usually followed by a clause): I submit that full proof should be required.
verb (used without object)
keep in mind, transalating from hebrew, greek, latin, etyc etc is not an easy task, and the translation is also limited to the known words at the time of translation.
pretty sure that in ancient times, that a translation would not include 'curvature of the earth', or 'electricity' or 'cell phpone'.
that is why there have been many newer translations - kjv, good news, niv, nas just to name a few.
that is also why it is vital to read all of it, and go for the meanings, and teachings and not get bogged down in semantics.
pretty sure God doesnt worry much about which word was used!
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart as to Christ,
The Bible also been used to demean women:
1 Timothy 2:11-14
A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet. For Adam was formed first and then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived, fell into transgression.
The Bible has been used to deny freedom of religion:
Exodus 20:3
You shall have no other gods before me.
The Bible has been used by Kings, tyrants, and dictators to legitimize their rule:
Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God.
A few days ago I received an e-mail from my bank, telling me that my account had been suspended, and that I should send them my e-mail and password to unlock it. I refused to be deceived, so I did not send them my info. It was a SCAM. I wen to the website, logged in as usual, and went about my business.
Adam is as guilty of eating that apple as Eve. Then one could also argue that the two are one, and that Eve was the one talking to the snake at the time, not Adam, just as I picked up a burning coal in my right hand, and then tossed it into my left hand. If the two are one, even before tossing that coal into my lefthand, is my body still not equally burnt? Thus, was Adam not equally deceived when Eve was deceived? I just don't buy the fact that Adam was not the one who was deceived.