A Florida same-sex couple is in an unusual custody battle. The two women are no longer romantically involved and the birth mother left the country with the child, unbeknownst to the biological mother.
See, one woman donated her egg that was fertilized in the other woman. The egg donator is referred to as the biological mother and the other as the birth mother. The child was 2 years old when the family split up and the birth mother moved to Australia. The biological mother tracked them down by private investigator. The child is now 9 years old. The biological mother has not seen her child in SEVEN years!
The Florida court is treating this as a case about defining motherhood? A question of egg and sperm donors rights? A gay issue?
It is about time Barack Obama step up to the plate and declare DOMA unconstitutional and publicly support gay marriage. The Republicans are already criticizing him for repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. He might as well jump over the fence instead of continuing to straddle it just to appease the gay-hating, ignorant members of society. They aren't voting for him anyway. Their vote is already promised to Santorum.
As it stands now, some states allow gays to marry while others are passing constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage. This is creating a mess in the courts. And, it is definitively UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
This case is as simple as a parent taking a child away from another parent. Unless one parent is unfit, the courts should protect the rights of both. If the Florida same-sex couple were legally married and then had to go through divorce, there would have been a custody hearing at that time. Problem eliminated.
Aren't lawyers just chomping at the bit to make more money off of same-sex divorces?
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The court is looking at "who is the mother", "what is the definition of motherhood", etc. How many laws are we going to have that define words? Words and laws meant to alienate a whole segment of society?
It's absurd.
I don't think the courts should be defining motherhood.
And I DO think marriage and divorce provide avenues for dealing with these types of issues -- gay and straight -- whereas the courts don't have a path to follow.
Sounds like your son's ex stole the child and then he re-stole the child. Why didn't he go through the court system and handle it the proper way?
And that's yet another example of the discrimination because if the biological mother had re-stolen this child, she's probably be in jail.
And the sad thing is, people do it every day.
Children are not a PRIZE.
Exactly what homosexuals refuse to acknowledge, Char. I implore them to transcend their own narcissism and think of the CHILDREN. They refuse.
The point I've been making about homosexuality all along; it is very detrimental to the Child, and to the Health of our Society, as a whole. Lora just can't seem to pull it off to understand.
I feel sorry for you if the mention of God makes someone abhorrent to you, or defers an otherwise valid argument. How ridiculous. I can assure you I have no such reaction to liberal or gay, but liberal does make me think of liar...I can't help it. Mostly they believe it, but only because it has been repeated so much they figure it must be true, after all everyone they know says so....
The Bible is full of verses that say to kill others for various "sins." Yet, we are a nation that does not condone murder.
Homophobes selectively quote the Bible. It's funny to me that the most "religious" people always quote the most hateful things and the things that they hate themselves.
Nobody is quoting:
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)
OR
"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)
OR
"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)
OR
"Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth, these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination." (Leviticus 11:42)
No, instead they choose to quote:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)
So, is homosexuality and eating shellfish, having intercourse during a woman's menstrual cycle, eating animals that walk on four legs --- are all these things equally as sinful to you? Because they should be. Afterall, God says so.
Apparently God thinks you are an abomination if you eat anything other than chicken and vegetables. So, every person that eats lobster or crab is equally as sinful as a homosexual because there are no varying degrees of abomination.
THIS is my problem with referencing God or the Bible as any kind of justification for a thought or an opinion.
If you'd come right out and say it's your own belief that you came to on your own...that YOU decided you don't think homosexuals should raise children because of nothing more than your own prejudices, that is indeed your prerogative. But do not say it's because the Bible told you so because the Bible says a lot of stuff.
Nobody is willing to stand behind their own prejudice beliefs though because it's not "christian-like", now is it?
And, Lora, there is also this Truth: Morality comes from God.
If I believed that a good Conversation could break out, I'd comment further.
It won't.
Abortion in the first trimester is a woman's right to choose regarding her own body.
Abortion after that is something else.
LOL I simply cannot see why a country such as ours would treat a segment of society so horribly. But, given America's history of how we treated blacks up until just 50 years ago, it's not surprising I guess.
I know blacks don't like to be comparing civil rights with gay rights but the similarity is that it is a group of society that can be visually identified (usually) and discriminated against. Gays cannot change their sexuality any more than a person can change the color of their skin. It's absurd to say otherwise because it is the equivalent to saying that a straight person could also "turn" gay. Simply not true.
I can promise you that I know of gay households that are a 1,000 times better environment for children than some straight homes I'm aware of. The morals are higher, the standard of living is better, the education level is higher and the overall kindness is higher. To say that a home is unfit for a child simply because it doesn't conform to an outdated model of a fictional society is wrong.
Not so long ago, America was waging war against inter-racial marriage also. Who was upset about that? It was not the liberals. And it that is certainly not a "live and let live" philosophy.
Second, the abortion pill, As far as I knew, the pill was taken only right after sex to induce a spontaneous miscarriage. if there is a pill for later, I am unaware of it. I think every way of killing a growing fetus is denying that child life, and if the truth be known a violation of the constitution.
Only in your dreams can straight homes be considered "an outdated model of a fictional society"! What a reach! A fictional society??? LOL. Thousands of years beg to differ with you...
Lora, the fact that same sex couples can't procreate is part of the choice they make when they choose that lifestyle. Nobody has proven any differently that they have no choice. You may say they cannot do differently, but I believe that is wrong, and until someone proves it to me, I will continue to believe that, so let's don't fight over that.
But that is at the root of every one of these legal issues involving same-sex couples.
BTW - this is PRIME example demonstrating that liberals are indeed the open minded ones and "conservatives" are closed-minded bigots.
You force your views on others.
You want to "turn" gays straight.
You will not hear a liberal or a gay saying that straight people could "turn" gay if they wanted.
Do you realize how absurd that thinking is? To think that someone can change their sexuality?!
And what a double-standard. It's OK for straight people to manufacture a baby with donors or "whatever science they see fit." But it's not OK for gays to do the same. ABSURD!
And it is indeed a fact that I have know of two gay households that are more suitable to raising children than two straight households of people I know personally. Penis/vagina sex does not automatically create a moral, model home. You're delusional.
many gays adopt. My daughter and her partner have a beautiful child that they recently adopted while living in Kenya. I am now a proud grandma of a beautiful lt girl (she is 4 yrs old) and yes, she is from Kenya as that is where my daughter lives also. (my daughter is adopted btw...of the heart)
My brother who is also gay (and a professional drag queen) has three children, two adopted, one by surragent (sp) and lives here in US...so many gay parents have children.
shows a true spirit that everyone should be left alone to their own beliefs, mores, practices, and decisions, without ridecule.
i applaud your defending others rights to make their own decisions, and not be forced to conform to yours ??????????
you should be ashamed.
i was going to comment on the subject at hand - but after that display of hatred and prejudice - why bother.
he persoanly has an opinion about homosecuality - a view i do not share.
but what has he ever said, to make fun of them?
he has stated his opinion, and stated that he could not, and would not, impose his beliefs on others.
too bad you seem to not be as open minded as he is, on other peoples rights to decide.
I do not believe for one second that a guy like Rick Santorum is not going to "impose his views on others."
This guy thinks racial profiling is OK. He thinks Satan is coming after America. Who do you think he's referring to there as Satan? (Muslims, perhaps? Anyone not white?)
He thinks men are not going to be able to control their libido if women are in combat next to them.
He's declared Obama a "non-christian." Seeing a pattern here? This guy hates anybody who is not white and christian and straight.
He even referenced black people in the context as though they are the only ones getting welfare checks.
Come on.
This guy is full of hate. Or he's just plain ignorant. We all know ignorance breeds hatred.
So, you don't think he's going to implement racial profiling in cities across America if he becomes President? You think the situation in the middle east will be better if he were President? You think a guy like Rick Santorum would make America safer?
You're in a fantasy land.
His response to a question on gay marriage was that perhaps three or four men should also be allowed to marry. And in another interview equated homosexuality to child molestation and bestiality! What kind of ignorance is that?
This guy makes George W. Bush look like a saint.
By wholesome, I meant grass roots American family. They come in all races, we are a melting pot. They usually are typified by a religion that holds to a standard of behavior that includes a religion, and family as their core concept of life. They seek to pursue life based on established principles of self reliance and community involvement. That kind of wholesome, not the gimme stuff we have going on now.
i find it amusing, that you insinuate with the picture, that he is actually gay, as if that were something to be ashamed of?
are you a double secret homophobe?
reminds me of ehsat happened my cousin - i worried for over 30 years, because he seemed to fall off the earth, we were really close in high school - then finally found him - he said he was always terrified, that i would hate him and reject him for his lifestyle choices. amnd that i was the one person he could not handle looking down on him.
we spent 6 months discussing it, and how - no, never would, still wont, reject him for that. he was supposed to come visit when he was in town, i had a bed prepared, and favorite beverage for him and his partner ......
but two days before they were to be here, i mentioned i do not like obamas socialistic policies...... he told me in no uncertain terms he never wanted to speak to me again ..........
and hasnt ............ been two years .....................
so - demand tolerance, and acceptance - but reject people for thinking differently?
do you REALLY not see the problem with that?
and stop trying to bring all the other crap into it - a guy like rick santorum ....... how would you knmow what he is like - because of snips you read?
come on - you are smareter than that.
adn still have the grey goose in my cupboard waitin for him.
and then turns around and says "Gay marriage will destroy society" or "Any straight home is better for a child than a gay home."
You're saying be gay but we straights don't want to see it, hear about it and do it in secret where you are not part of "normal" society.
It's a hypocritical stance. You cannot support gay friends and family member and oppose gay marriage, gay adoption and gays in the military at the same time. Not how it works.
where in the world did you get this: You're saying be gay but we straights don't want to see it, hear about it and do it in secret where you are not part of "normal" society.
to claim i said that, is a flat out lie!
obvioulsy you are projecting your own predetermined opinions of what i think or feel, and condemning me for it.
how dare you!
either show me where i said that (and the other stupid things you seem to think i believe), or apologize!
I apologize if I implied that you felt or said the direct words I wrote.
I simply can understand where your friend may have felt a double-standard at play.
What straight people need to understand is that giving gays the same rights as straights is not "encouraging" gayness. It's not going to make a straight person wake up one morning and say, "Gee, well, since I can marry my best friend I think we'll just get it on and become homos so we can marry each other and piss off the straight people."
I think that those opposed to equal gay rights somehow think it's going to turn everybody gay or that it's some sort of declaration that "gay is good."
So, Americans accept other religions, but they do not support them?
those are economic policies, not social policies.
you are interjecting a TON of thoughts and feelings on me, as a straight person, that you have no right to!
you want to lump all straight people into a single group that you imagine is unable to think, discern, or feel!
you reqally only half read what i say, because you decided a long time ago, what i think, what i feel, what i beleive, and who i am!!!!!
see - i said socialistic NOT social ................... and i most certainly said, my cousin - not my 'friend'.
get off your high horse, of believing you have the right and the ability to judge me. you have NO right to decide that all people that are straight, are exactly like the worst of the worst.
based on that - i would have to believe that all gays are like the rape posees of the early 70's.
and by the way - you did not imply that i said or thought those things, you stated it as a fact.
and yes, there was a double standard at play - his - which you seem to be employing as well, in your "better than everyone" attitude, of thinking you need to 'school' me on what i need to understand.
that really is either some huge ego, or huge chip.
oh - and on dadt? i believed the crap that was sold to us by the left when it passed, that it would make things better - i also understood after it was implemented, it actually was worse and needed to be repealed.
my cousin also knew that was how i felt!
And you have no idea what I really think about you.
The point of the story of the two women fighting for custody in Florida is proven here. At the root of all the pro-gay and anti-gay legislation is a belief that gay is a "bad and dirty" habit that can be fixed or changed. And that is why straight people won't support or accept gay marriage.
It's a bigoted and IGNORANT view point.
If your story, Del, was about you and your gay cousin disagreeing about welfare, obamacare and whether Obama is a socialist, why the hell did you include it on this post?
I think the dude realized you have a deep seeded, hidden prejudice for gays. Plain and simple. You will rant and rave and post back a million reasons why this is not true and I'll try to tediously get through every, single word.
Del, I know you will answer for yourself about your story, but I took it as a way of relating to the reactive way those who really do try to live and let live are treated. I thank you for the story, and I appreciated the intent you had for telling it. It is as MJ tried to tell me, impossible for those mired in this problem to stand back and see anybody else's side, and they are not going to try to, that is obvious.
So, gays and their children are going to be criticized? This is what needs to stop. Why criticize? Especially if you're under the philosophy of "live and let live." Ah, because you're not.
And, no, I have not received any criticism for being gay. (besides on Gather) I guess I've managed to keep better company than that of small-minded, hateful people. Or perhaps it's easier to say hateful things from a distance through the computer screen.
the reason i brought my cousin up, was because it shows the hypocricy.
he told me at that time, he was a deeply devoted democrat, and anyone that was not is scum, and how dare i critisize anything about obama.
and came here to express that you are doing the same thing with santorum.
you dont like what he believes in, so he is a scumbag homophobe. that is incrededibly prejudiced, and hypocritical, from anyone that demands acceptance of all.
thought you were smart enough to understand that.
you see - i am smart enough to evaluate the charactor of an individual, and not make snide remarks, in generalities, against people whose thoughts are different than mine.
i can seperate the issue from the individual.
instead of trying to "tediously get through every, single word,"why not think about what i actually said without a preconceived delusion about my charactor, that you instantly assume is low.
gawd - why do i waste my time .........
I don't think every Republican is scum.
I've even been called a Republican on here. LOL Because I was agreeing with something on the right, don't remember now.
There are hypocrites on both sides -- that's what I don't like. People who say one thing and act a different way. I choose to pay more attention to someone's actions that their words. That said, it is impossible to judge someone based on ANY of these posts for the person they truly are.
We can battle over word choice - make inferences based on that - but I don't know you and you don't know me.
I can tell me about someone when the debate gets heated because more of what the "really" think comes out because they edit themselves less.
I don't think you're a bad guy. I don't hate all Republicans.
I don't like Santorum. I knew I didn't like him the first time I ever heard him speak and that was LONG before he was doing well or even mentioned in the press. I don't like what he says, I don't like his mannerisms, I don't like his record in the Senate.
And I do think he might be a closeted gay guy. There have been some of them in the Republican party, just sayin.
This post was meant to express my views on how insane these laws are where one state gives legal rights to gays and another takes them away. It is a mess. These women deserve the same treatment under the law as a straight, divorced man and woman do.
That's it.
But, boy do they stick to the conservative rhetoric when push comes to shove.