Video from Occupy Oakland march, November 2, 2011
 This video starts out with the marchers chanting, "We are the Proletariat, We are the Proletariat, We are the Proletariat" . . . Â
Then, low and behold, all of a sudden they are engaged in just that sort of diversion (with no police instigation I might add) as, at about time stamp 00:58, there's a loud report and a window is shattered accompanied by cheers from the crowd.
 It's true, some of the marchers do try to stop the violence after it starts... but then they neglect to call in anyone who could actually eject the ones doing the violence. Their solution seems to have been to yell at and do violence back at the ones doing the vandalism and violence. Further, what's their idea of a follow-through on that? They just keep marching as the "black bloc" perps are allowed to rejoin the group. But we were told, are being told, and will continue to be told to be fair and remember, as the Mayor said (is she still saying this I wonder?), the ones who did the violence are just a "small isolated group" so we shouldn't allow their actions to "mar the overall impact of the demonstration and the fact that people in the 99 percent movement demonstrated peacefully..." Really? Even though this "isolated" group remained part of the main group, and those who commtitted acts of vandalism and violence were allowed (time and again) to rejoin the other, "mostly peaceful," marchers even after they had/have committed acts of vandalism and violence? Really?
 At another interesting point in the video (time stamp 5:56 or so), a young man, bless his heart--- and I mean that genuinely... At that moment in time he was valiant in his efforts and dedication. This young man tries to get through to one of the masked people ... "What are you hiding?!" "Violence won't solve anything!" "Who are you?!" "Who are you?!" "Show your *** face!" "If you wanna stand up for something, show them that you're a *** person!" "Show them your face ... who are you?" He does his best but he, along with many of the other marchers, is probably in over his head (and possibly out of the loop as far as possible GA approved tactics -http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/01/occupy-may-day-factions-plan-violent-disruptions  and plans might be), passionate though he is.  And sure enough, at about 6:18 we see his impassioned confrontation had no effect whatever as, in another view of the same crowd, we hear them shouting something interesting over and over ...  It sounds like, "#@*# the property of the 1%!, #@*# the property of the 1%!, #@*# the property of the 1%!"Then more window breaking to the cheers of the crowd in the background (except for a very few voices shouting for them to stop it and a few others chanting, 'Peaceful protest, peaceful protest'); and yet still no one calls anyone who could stop the violence or help to remove the black bloc perps from their midst.  Near the end there is a guy with a megaphone who, in regard to the vandalism, says something like, "People being thrown out in the street is violent, people losing their homes is violent... this pales in comparison. These windows will be fixed tomorrow and you know it." He even seems to believe that because one happened the other is okay ...  "These windows will be fixed tomorrow and you know it..."
____________   The following video version of events gives another view of the black dressed protesters vandalizing Whole Foods ...  Since it's the same video but from a different angle, again some of the marchers try to stop a guy from breaking windows and they have him on the ground, while in the background we can hear shouts of "Let him go! Let him go! Leave him alone!" Among other more colorful phrases.
 Ah yes, in this version we also hear shouts of "no violence", and see that indeed some marchers are trying to protect Whole Foods property.
  Here is a short snippet of a conversation being had in regard to one or both videos above, which I think describes the situation very well. I found it among many similar ones on one of the many articles I skimmed through and have either lost the link or can't tell which link it belongs to. One commenter says:  Someone else responds: Do you seriously think that this vindicates OWS and thier failure to stop the problem instead of just band-aiding it?? Had OWS carried out their protests in a legal fashion and turned over the criminals to the police, this wouldn't even be neccessary. As far as "more would be inclined to act" is concerned, there were hundreds of people around in the two incidents I highlighted who did NOTHING and some even cheered. Call the police, stay next to the criminals and when the police show up, tell them to get this scum out of here and lock them away. No vigilantism neccessary, just doing what a citizen should do and taking responsibility to do what's right."   You can also see the video here:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYM_fNsndA&feature=player_embedded  |
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"Encourage the use of non-violence"? In a way, this statement condones violence, as it is not denouncing violent tactics outright.
This movement loses credibility when it does not stand up to the violence. Great article.
You said what I was thinking as read what OWS "stated." "Encourage the use of non-violence?" If the video in this article is indicative of what has been going on but which has not been captured on film, looks to me like despite what comes out of some of their mouths, they actually encourage the opposite (by letting them go and allowing them to stay).
Do you seriously think that this vindicates OWS and thier failure to stop the problem instead of just band-aiding it??"
So says one commenter in regard to these videos ...
The cause is not the imagined 1% but (in the same coin) about 30% who are smart, ruthless and capable who want to imitate or join the 1%.
Pure aristocracy never does or believed in looting.
This cry of "proletariat" in U S is unbelievable. The perpetrators of crime will be always among the groups. They just have to look around...
That's what I thought too A Parameswaran ... on both of those counts.
That's quite possible, Jan. But even if "proletariat" isn't a new word for them, I think they will be learning much much more about another fairly new (to those who's mindset doesn't go on these paths) idea/word - black bloc. And I have a sinking feeling that they will also learn (to some of their horror) about just how far those who claim black bloc tactics can and are willing to go.
LOL Jan, usually I respect your opinion but you do come out with some silly comments. I guess everyone has their blinders.
The blinders worry me, too. I'm afraid too many people are being distracted by a variety of issues and are not able to focus on the more serious situations.
Not completely, Jan. But you aren't completely blindered either.
Annnd, a readthrough of mine and many other's articles, if anyone was interested and had enough time ... (well, that narrows it down quite a bit lol) will show there is good reason to believe that is exactly what we are hurtling toward (if not worse) --- in increments coming ever closer together and affecting ever more facets of our Republic in deeper and deeper ways.
Rather like child birth, as the contractions come harder, faster and closer together. However, when this particular child is finally fully birthed ... well, let me put it this way; we'll all be Rosemary then.
The solution? Trust me when I say this because it's not something I ever advocate for for anyone, but in this is one instance I think partial birth abortion is the best solution. Come November 2012! Pro-Choice November 2012!
That's true, or seems to be. However I've been doing some reading of some of the stuff OWS members write.
Several of them have stated in one fashion or the other, the fact that OWS at some GA or other decided "to adopt the principle of diversity of tactics (at least it was discussed in a very approving fashion)", which means, "leaving such matters up to individual conscience, rather than imposing a code on anyone..." whether or not to be peaceful or employ more agressive black bloc tactics.
OWS is not big on individual responsibility ... seems to be more about group rights. However in just this one instance (so far) they seem to be trying to "protect" individual rights. Go figure.
Anyway ... the result of that seems to be what you saw here in this video; no control, little organization, as well as no consequences of any weight for those who use black bloc tactics (according to their "individual conscience").
As I mentioned to Marilyn below, this article may shed some light on why that is.
Yeah. That's what we did at TEA party events when infiltrators came and disrupted things.
You then responded: Yeah. That's what we did at TEA party events when infiltrators came and disrupted things.
And I agree with the commenter from the article as well as with you.
We were and are still totally dedicated to the idea of being actually peaceful (not mostly peaceful), as well as law abiding. And for the most part we succeeded.
Some have tried to prove we had arrests for cause ... and have failed or left the conversation before even trying to prove it or after it was shown they couldn't prove it.
The fact is, the few examples that might possibly eventually be brought forward of legitimate arrests for actual cause would never, Never, NEVER rival the number of arrests for actual cause that occurred in just the first month of OWS protests.
In addition to that, even if there were a time or two where a Tea partier got out of control, we did not just welcome him/her/them back into the fold at a rally (and as far as our own local TEA party is concerned, we even distanced ourselves from other groups that became a problem or were less than they should have been).
However that is exactly what OWS is seen here doing. Welcoming the perps back into the fold, "They just keep marching, as the "black bloc" perps are allowed to rejoin the group."
Ummm.... here is testimony from someone from OWS telling us why that could be.
However in just this one instance (so far) they seem to be trying to "protect" individual rights. Go figure.
Anyway ... the result of that seems to be what you see here in this video; no control, little organization, as well as no consequences of any weight for those who use black bloc tactics (according to their "individual conscience").
This additional article may shed some light on why that is.