It's only Pepper Spray. The GOP Would Classify It As A Food Source For School Kids. Like Ketchup.

Less lethal, now there's an interesting framing exercise. Less lethal than shooting them, less lethal than throwing a hand grenade, ok, but as we have seen they almost killed a vet, and many have been injured.

And when the hell does it ever become OK to hurt non violent protestors, exercising thier constitutional rights, in any manner, less lethal or not?

Like the 80 year old lady who the cop tazed when she got out of her car after a traffic stop? Ever seen that clip?

That's exactly the problem with the "[mostly] non-lethal" weapons, Ron. They are used against people in cases when lethal weapons could never be used.

You've had your say now it's time to go home!

If you CHOOSE to stay then you accept the consequences.

Luckily, Corporate Boy, you arent the authority on this, the constitution is

***sigh***

You're not supposed to read my political stuff - you know that it upsets you, lol.

Hey, I've gotta be in here supporting you. Besides, occasionally I actually learn new perspectives. Surely that can't hurt.

Not at all, but it's a battleground out here. Just thinkin' f you. lol.

I leave all the battling for you, but only for as long as you want it. You can quit whenever you are ready. (Ha! Like you need my permission.)

Giggle.

Hi sis!

I know that you've got my back, Tanya. Hey, as long as you're there, would you mind rubbing my left shoulder?, lol.

Hi, Pam - where have you been?

Got it. Feel better?

Yep.

Hi Jim and Sis! Got a virus in my business computer. I now have one I can use for Gather, but still need to get my settings right. Missed you.

"the global market for "less lethal" weapons is predicted to triple by 2020"

Guess we all know one industry we ought to be investing in.

BTW
weren't some of the latest uses of non leathal weapons under the direction of Democratic city mayors ?

Capsaicin is an important nutrient. Recent studies by the Katz Institute have shown that regular black pepper, present on many tables, doesn't provide nearly enough. Even the kind from the monstrous pepper grinders waitstaff wield in restaurants isn't enough. Pepper spray dispensers ought to be freely available in the produce and condiment areas of grocery stores.

Um, Nippy? Are you confusing peppercorns with red peppers? As someone with a very low tolerance for nightshade plants (which contain poisons like solanine and nicotine) I'm not thrilled that they call pepper spray food. After all, aren't we trying to stop the use of nicotine products by children? Spraying them with red pepper is the first step in a life-long addiction - a kind of gateway drug leading to cigarette use. Pepper spray should definitely be reserved for use on people over 21.

Jim, there are also a number of cops who help the protesters -- like the one that almost killed the vet in Oakland and the ones that pepper sprayed the seated students in Davis. If you don't think that helped the Occupy Movement, just remember that even the Main Stream Media covered that.

Yeah, George. Inadvertantly, they are helping out the movement, which they don't have common sense enough to realize. (As long as the protesters keep their cool.)

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

Thing about it Ron,
T.J. would roll over in his grave at the ideals and goals of the OWSers!

Betcha he wouldn't. He, after all, was a revolutionary, an OWSer type back in his day who helped overthrow the establishment and aided in creating a whole new way of governing and a whole new country. Think about it.

Well said, Susan. Is OWS a minority? It was a minority of U.S, citizens who had the courage to rebel against the British in the Revolutionary War.

What, Dan, you think TJ would disagree with those opposing the wielding of unprecedented power by way of purchasing our government one representative at a time? I sure don't. He hated tyranny from any quarter.

Socialism, redistribution of wealth, more government control over society.

The OWS movement is NOT a movement promoting FREEDOM...It promotes the reduction of freedoms of a certain part of the citizenship namely the 1%.

T.J. was an ANTI- federalist, A constitutionalists.

TJ may not have been a part of OWS, Corporate boy, but he would not stand by while wall street turns this country into a fascist paradise either. I am very familiar with his views, having read almost every word still existing from his hand, and the subjugation of the 99 at the hands of the 1 is something he would have never tolerated, that is a fact.

Try as you will Ron,
You will never be able to make the case that TJ would support the ideals of the OWSers or any progressive redistribution of the wealth bigger government push.
The only thing TJ would agree with is their right to protest.

You are a BDL Ron, you don't have the ability to read a single word of TJ's with an objective eye, the fact that you think he would be in support of the OWSers makes that evident.

Thomas Jefferson was no fan of money influence in government, or lobbyists, Dan, and that is OWSs main goal, number one, getting the money influence out of government. Course you probably don't even know what their real goals are, reading nothing but rags like you quote all the time. And thanks for saying I'm on the best dressed list, lol

Doesn't matter what they say (or you for that matter Ron) they are pushing a socialist/progressive bigger government take from the rich give to the poor agenda, T.J would not have stood behind them

No, Corporate boy, what doesn't matter is what a paid hack like you says, and even if you were right, that would be class warfare from the poor and middle class toward the rich, and it is about time the class warfare waged on the middle class and poor, for over forty years now, was answered in kind. The end product of drastically lopsided wealth distribution throughout history is revolution, and the only thing you dolts have to decide is whether it will be peaceful, nonviolent revolution, or the other kind. Seems to me it is up to your handlers. Keep on busting heads, and some heads will eventually get busted they don't count on, right now.

T.J. was a member of the 1% Ron,
He supported the freedom of people to become wealthy and not be restrained by a federal government, he would not agree with a government that you would have that takes away money from some and give to others, others that you see as deserving.
You can not equate the thoughts and actions of the founders of our country with what liberals are today, you all are about as divorced from their ideals as you can get. And your claiming that you have any similarity is a delusion in your mind trying to justify your violent and hateful actions.

Dan, if you knew as much as you think you do about Jefferson, you would know he struggled to keep his home and its enterprises afloat his whole life, and what he would of agreed with is questionable, considering this country is nothing like he envisioned it becoming, nothing like it was in his day, and I think considering his moral sense, something you entirely ignore, basically because you don't possess it, or even anything like it, you are wrong. I highly suspect that he would not care to have a man like you speak for him, either.

The founders were far past liberals, Dan, they were revolutionaries, and conservatives, that take a name that virtually signifies their resistance to change, have about as much in common with revolutionaries, as they do with Jesus.

"he struggled to keep his home and its enterprises afloat his whole life,"

And if you and your's would have had you ways back then you would have caused the demise of his enterprise because you would have taxed him out of business!
Yes they were revolutionaries but that in no way makes them anything like you or your ilk. You are trying to link yourselves to them to give your selves credibility you don't deserve.

No Dan, we are linked to them, in a way you could never claim, they were the liberals of their day, and the Tories were the conservatives of their day, what don't you get about that? They railed against injustice, which was, in their day, the ruling class of the British, and their unfair taxes, but in our day, the insular graft of Wall Street influence is the unfair tax on us all. The unnecessary subsidies with our tax dollars, the unfair corporate tax laws they have bought with campaign dollars that allow companies like GE to pay NO tax. The deregulation that allowed them to gamble away our futures. When they do that kind of thing, Dan, the burden shifts from wall street to main street, and it is an unfair tax on us all. I have to think that even you can grasp that much, even though you are paid not to.

"what don't you get about that?"

I get it perfectly Ron, You want to believe that they were just like you, the simple label that you are trying to put on them "liberal" may have been appropriate to some limited extent, but in no way were they like you and your progressive big government should control our society, ilk.
If anything that is the one ideal of yours that makes you so distance from Thomas Jefferson, You want to grow the government and T.J. was against allowing the government growing to big.
You try to equate he as a revolutionary with yourselves when the only thing T.J. suggested a revolution against a tyrannical government, NOT against corporations or businesses or the rich.
What you want is to tear down the government down just enough to build it back up to put into place your agenda of taking from the rich to fund what you think should be funded.

Yeah right Dan, I want big government, just big enough to protect the citizens from the wealthy and corporate. Get your crew to act like decent citizens, instead of plundering assholes, and we would need a lot less. I seriously doubt Jefferson would care where the tyranny was coming from, but in point of fact, he was rebelling against the rich and the businesses of England that supported the laws imposing those taxes, to further lower their own tax load, he sure as hell was....

Apparently you choose to ignore that the greatest growth in government, and debt, pre Bush depression slash recession has been under your crews patronage.

Here let me ask the question one more time;
Show me the list of Dems who did not sign on to creating the department od home land security....the war on terror......the patriot act!

It is YOU who continue to deny despite the nearly continued reminding that YOUR crew signed on to all of those things too...the were in on causing,

"the greatest growth in government, and debt,"

Just one more example of your progressive delusion.

"Yeah right Dan, I want big government, just big enough to protect the citizens from the wealthy and corporate."

That's exactly what I said Ron, You don't want to fight against a tyrannical government like T.J. suggested you want to use that tyrannical government for your own purposes, to achieve your agenda. T.J. would never support your use of government to foist your ideals on other Citizens.

Dan, Reagan increase the debt and the size of government more than any other president, before him, since WWII, (star wars ring a bell for you at all), and little Bush did the same, with his wars, homeland security, etc, so go tell it to someone that wasn't around at the time. His percentage of debt increase in his second term is a little over five percent more, even, than Obama's first term, so far, according to CBO figures at +20.7% vs +15.4%. You might find the chart here edifying. Yes, democrats got sucked into the fear factor game that Bush was playing, but they did not start that ball rolling, your heroes did, with claims of WMDs, and fears of nuclear bombs in the hands of terrorists, etc., and the BA, in fact, caused it with their trumped up intelligence reports, etc.

Not only would TJ support my agenda, he did. No taxation without representation was the cry then, and with the undue influence of Wall Street running our government, and funneling all sorts of advantage their way at OUR expense, over the last forty years, it is, essentially, the very essence of the cry today, get real. Your assertions of what I, or anybody else, wants to do, otherwise, and your claims that TJ would not support those goals is a distraction, and secondary to the issue at hand. Get the money influence of Wall Street out of our politics, return representation to the people of this nation, ie taxation with representation, and the ballot box will again be the determiner of the direction this nation takes on other issues, as it should be. Right now, we have the same exact problem that Jefferson and the founding fathers faced, essentially, taxation without representation, and that is a fact, and an issue Jefferson most certainly would side with me on, of that I am certain.

Tell your corporate handlers to be afraid, be very afraid, the sheeple are starting to wake up to their game.

Hey....maybe we 99%er can afford to carry some of those 20 ft. range foam spray wasp killers? Or spray bottles of ammonia, clorox, or even vinegar....but aim for the eyes (and run like hell?)

Seriously, though, I wonder why there hasn't been much fire-hose action.

I read somewhere that U.S. police dep'ts ARE getting some of those fire hose trucks like they use overseas, Helen. I can't confirm that, because I can't recall where I read it. Nevertheless, it's pretty obvious that our police are becoming more militarized. BTW, that reminds me: did you ever read the book or see the movie "Fahrenhiet 451" that I recommended awhile back? They burn books with firehose trucks.....

Haven't seen 451. Just 911.

Wouldn't work, on the wasp spray, all of them have riot gear on, face shields standard...