Occupiers Want to Rid the World of Capitalism - Shame on the Democrats for Supporting Them

Oakland is getting what they want, they voted for a dithering mayor who contrubited heartily to the recent events.

The President and the Democrats are getting what they want, media coverage a of a few hundred people justifying the President's and Pelosi/Reid etal condemnatino and blame heaped on the wealthy.

I have to bleive that they wealthy funding the President and the Democrats are getting what they want, chasizement for their being wealthy and not willing to work for pennies. It is almost like penance one religion had required for forgiveness.

It is a media and political event that the rest of American is not past of nor has interest in.

I hope you're wrong about the rest of America having no interest. I hope that we've learned that not paying attention is what created the mess we're in today.

People are watching but the what is being said by the protestors is not relevant to the vast majorites concerns. Oakland it a good example, the mayor dithers becuase she wants to look concerned and caring, but her action are causing the protestors to cause more trouble and cost the city much more money, they don;t have, it is driving away businesses and jobs in the city or at least that part of the city. Why chould the local citizens care, even those in San Fransico, aside from it disrupting thier lives and showing them that the protestors only cost money and don't want to do anyhting that will create jobs and money locally.

Have you seen Pelosi walking arm in arm with the protestors? There is no traction.

The MAIN central theme of the Occupy movement, the world over, is to fight corporate corruption, and get justice for the worker.


As usual, not everybody can agree on how to get there ...

Instead of protesting those who bribe, wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of those who accept them? And....speaking of that....why aren't they also protesting in front of unions? Union bosses make a ton of money too and they bribe politicians.

Anyway... "not everybody can agree on how to get there..." So you're thinking that violence is okay?

Peter said: The MAIN central theme of the Occupy movement, the world over, is to fight corporate corruption, and get justice for the worker.
As usual, not everybody can agree on how to get there ...

Marilyn said: Anyway... "not everybody can agree on how to get there..." So you're thinking that violence is okay?

Seems like... since I hear very little (if any) reproach coming from the left for anything that's happened at ows groups.

It's all excuses (it wasn't us, or the 1% made us do it, or the police keep trying to stop us making us react, it's police brutality, it's the mayors are against us, it's the system, it's the corporations making us do these things for which we get arrested ...); it's never their fault. Sound familiar?

It may be that not everyone agrees on how to get where they are going, but it seems for the most part they all agree who's to blame (not them of course) for their personal free will decisions to rush police, refuse to obey laws, push, shove, invade private property... er ... 'occupy' private property while vandalising same. etc.

Marilyn M. Nov 4, 2011, 11:07am EDT
Instead of protesting those who bribe, wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of those who accept them? And....speaking of that....why aren't they also protesting in front of unions? Union bosses make a ton of money too and they bribe politicians.

Anyway... "not everybody can agree on how to get there..." So you're thinking that violence is okay?

OWS is condemning the Oakland occupy for this....I dont recall the TP doing the same after Giffords got shot or when racism was displayed at tp events...all I heard was a bunch of denial and defense.

Lori, remember, Giffords was shot by someone on your side who had never been to a site that showed targets. Nice try. But a big fail on your part once more.

Lori, Democrats have been challenging protesters to get violent for weeks now. It won't get better.

Lori, remember, Giffords was shot by someone on your side

Yes that is one of the excuses I am talking about. But in reality the guy was a libertarian and a registered Repub. Plus the Palin crosshairs over Giffords.

OWS doesnt support one political party over any other. OWS includes Repubs, Dems and Indies.

And I dont recall anyone of those groups challenging protesters to violence.

Guess what, Lori. The TEA party also includes the big 3 parties.

The Gifford shooter was a nut case, Lori. He had tried to contact Gifford and she ignored him. Everyone knows that the liberal spin that this was the fault of anyone except him is bogus. Intelligent people know that, anyway.

You can play the "rules for radicals" all you want, but repeating something does not make it true. We're on to your silly games and it doesn't work any more. Nice try.

Oh, and, Lori, did you forget that the DNC had targets on their web site too? Guess you did.

More excuses Marilyn. Is that all you have?

Marilyn the DNC had STATES not PEOPLE your girl Palin had people. You cannot shoot a state you can shoot a person....take responsiblity and stop making excuses for the criminal behavior exhibited by your irresponsible leaders.

And OWS so-called "condemnation" of the Oakland thing isn't a bunch of denial and defense? lol That has yet to be seen.

As for the other things you mentioned, I recall many recriminations of that shooter. Plus, we didn't do the Giffords shooting, it didn't happen at any TEA party event during which anyone pulled their guns or threw molotov cocktails, and the guy who did it was a simple nutcase. And, no TEA party people were ever arrested for taking any part at all in that shooting (much less groups and groups of them the way it happens at OWS protests).

As far as the racism ... you may indeed run into true racism in your life because it's not eradicated; but so far your particular idea of racism on Gather is the silliest bunch of made up, unseen, read between the lines crap I've ever seen. And because of that I'm not sure you can even actually recognize the real thing anymore because you 'see' it so much when it's not there - and refuse to condemn it when you do see it.

For instance, you "understood" how someone could use the actual textually readable racial epithet a fellow progressive used to describe Obama; without ever actually calling him out on it or condemning it. "House ~n" I think it was. You understood that bit of out and out racially insensitive blather (and along with other progressives on that comment thread, went on to attack me because I was offended at the comment - rather than ever actually addressing the comment); but can't seem to understand that what you generally "perceive" as racism for the most part just is not.

'Understanding' an actually racist comment while simultaneously attacking comments that are not racist? Your perceptions seem to be a bit unreliable. You see my point hmmm?

Lori F. Nov 4, 2011, 11:57am EDT
OWS is condemning the Oakland occupy for this....I dont recall the TP doing the same after Giffords got shot or when racism was displayed at tp events...all I heard was a bunch of denial and defense.

there was that incident of racism and hatred, and violence - the guy said something about 'Cut that n~~~~ers nuts off'.
never heard the tea party tell that guy he had to bot be a member.
and who would have thought that jesse jackson would be in the tp anyways huh!

Yes I can see more excuses....now would someone please put up a link showing how the tp or any of the GOP since they are one and the same has appologized or condemned the violence at tp or GOP rallies.

And no Lee nice try but its not a bunch of excuses it is condemnation now I realize you arent familiar with that word unless it applies to Obama but believe it or not there are those of us who dont approve of this type of thing.

Good grief, the nutjob that shot Gifford was just that, a nutjob, not a representative of any political movement or ideology. The TP doesn't need to condemn him as one of their own, 'cause he never was.

Right, Matthew. He's not a TEA party member. And, Lori, what violence has there been at TEA party rallies? I don't recall any....unless you're talking about when ACORN members perpetrated violence on TEA party members.

Lee Y. said: I recall many recriminations of that shooter. Plus, we didn't do the Giffords shooting, it didn't happen at any TEA party event during which anyone pulled their guns or threw molotov cocktails, and the guy who did it was a simple nutcase. And, no TEA party people were ever arrested for taking any part at all in that shooting (much less groups and groups of them the way it happens at OWS protests).

Lori F. said: Yes I can see more excuses....now would someone please put up a link showing how the tp or any of the GOP since they are one and the same has appologized or condemned the violence at tp or GOP rallies.

Matthew M. said: Good grief, the nutjob that shot Gifford was just that, a nutjob, not a representative of any political movement or ideology. The TP doesn't need to condemn him as one of their own, 'cause he never was.

Hmmm?

Hoo boy, local news covered the general strike day intensively. The closing down of the port happened with zero violence, zero vandalism. The mini-riot in the middle of the night was generally condemned by most of the people involved in the protest. Some of them got together with cleaning equipment before dawn and did their best to remove spray paint from windows etc. It's hard to generalize about a large group of people with organization or hierarchy.

What right did they have to close down a port, Nippy? That's vandalism in my book.

what right did the tp have to spit on people? or throw things at disabled people?

there was a tp member who tried to shout down anyone including Tom Harkin at a town hall meeting..what right did they have infringing on other freedom of speech?

And this happened all over the country.

Or the girl at the Rand Paul rally who got assaulted by his supporters aka tea party members..what right did they have to injury this girl?

The tp is very vioent and calls for violence are standard yet like Marilyn eveyrone makes excuses for them.

OWS supporters are condeming violence by the Oakland group that did this.

Here is an one clip of tea partiers beating up a non supporter..want more?

ok the video - palin/mccain campaign - a heckler interupting the speech repeatedly, being escorted out - may have ebeen pushed pr may have stumbled on bleachers - you decide - some of them sure look like they are trying to catch him - not a mark on him sooo i wonder.
but
tea party did this?
lets see - tea party started in 09 - mccain palin election was over in 08 ......... based on that - why not claim he was a member of ows - no more silly than blame the tp, for something that happened before they existed!

rand paul rally - girl charges pauls car - a man in a suit (presumed pauls security) is there - one idiot does put his foot on her head and presses down (hard to 'stomp' when the foot never loses contact - so lets at least be accurate) he should have been arrested. yet police were being yelled for - were there while the 'perpetrators' held her, and no arrests were made - do 'angry violent mobs' call the police in?

looked extensively can not find anything on harkin being shouted down - maybe need a location or date?

spitting on people - i am sure you mean at that infamous rally - claims of spitting and racial slurs. i have watched that video at least 30 times, in slower and slwer motion - can not find a single place, where spitting occores - oc=ver zealous shouting and spit
blow by' ? yea maybe - the n word? cant find it (can only hear chanting 'kill the bill') - no one can (100M reward offered - no claims) - including the police officer standing right there escorting the congresswman - if there was spitting and radial slurs - why would she not react?

are all idiots in the world automatically tp members?
did the tp cause the riots in selma?
maybe the tp started the koren war conflict too?

lori,
as you know i do agree with y9ou at times, but you seem to display a deep hatred for the tea party, that taints your perspectives.
they are not satan. they are not all saints.
but where is the attitude of fair play, and fair judgement when it comes to them?
claiming they were responsible for an incident that was before they started is simply making things up - and throws every comment you make in reference to them suspect at the least.

Del my point is that we should, no matter what side condemn violence. It is never right for one side to do and the other not.

Marilyn seems to be under the impression that when the TP says or does violent things it is somehow Ok but when OWS does basically the same it is worse than what Bundy did.

My other point was that OWS and most of its supporters dont condone this they are speaking out regarding violence.

As for the heckler..had that been a TP member at a Dem function you would have said he was expressing his freedom of speech and been outraged that he was lead out and roughed up.

I have watched the spitting video too and SEE where the congressman wipes the spit off his face but I love how excuses are made about the whole thing.....NO ONE should ever have to endure that EVER. YOu have no right to spit on another person ever.

Watch this video..about 4 seconds in Cleaver reacts and then about 8 seconds he wipes the side of his face.

And ask yourself why?

as i said.
if someone sprayed on me while shouting, i would wipe my face too -wouldnt you?
the nimrod was what - less than a foot from his face? repeating over and over to 'kill the bill' without stopping to swallow? of course the dipstick sprayed - but is that intentionally spitting on someone? can you honestly tell me, that you have never ever ever been angry and yelled till you saw spittle spray? or had it happen to you by someone that was angry?
that is a far cry from making it sound like the guy hacked up a huge loogie and aimed it at him!
and there has not been one single arrest or even a charge against any tp member for violence, for assault, or even public disturbance.
the few instances where people tried to align themselves with the tp, and haqve displayed bigotry or called for violence, they have been chastised, and asked not to come back.
i have read report on it. you would of course diswcount those, since it is the tp people that dide the chastising thaqt report it.
those stories are not going to make the 6 oclock news you realise.
as too the heckler you mentioned - a tp member would be shushed by there own, till it was question and answer time - again no big 'fukll story and video at 6'.
critisize the stance of the tp, and we can debate - bring of fake accusations of vague, unprovable diatribe, and we will simply argue, no matter which group we are talking about.
your call.

He wasnt close enough to get sprayed...he was spit on and your excuses arent really cutting it.

I have never seen one person get reprimanded by the tp all they do is make exuses kind of like you are doing here.

not close enough - are you kidding?
i have seen my own spray go 2 feet when i was really abgry atmy brother and screaming myhead off!
and of course you have not seen anything about tp reprimands.
first and foremost, it has been proven that almost all problems were from moveon, aflcio, teamsters, acorn and seiu etc infiltrators sent to cause problems and lake it look like the tp did it. the few that were people that wanted to be a member of the tp were handled.
you sill see not one word of that on huffington, msnbc, cnn, abc. cbs. nyt, or even fox - there is no startling news there.
did you ever see anything about how all the tainted halloween candy was all a scam?
of course not!
yet snopes says it never happened - not once - not anywhere.
it is not 'news worthy' when someone does the right thing.
mine are not excuses at all. they are setting the records straight.
like your comment that the shooter in arizona was a repub, libertarian, and therefore tp member. that was reported right out of the gate by many media outlets.
yet in followup - his family, and all of his friends said he was totally non-political, not in any party, and that politics bored him.
didnt see that much in the news either. plus libertarians do not 'belong' to a party - they vote for a candidate that most repersents their views.
again, you contempt skews into rants and wild accusations, making anything you say on the tp irrelavant due to the skepticism it creates.

Del the man had his hands cupped so I dont know how you could see that he was YELLING and not spitting.

Usually you spray with a P nothing in kill the bill is going to bring about the word formation to make the spittle you need to spray nor do those groups of words form so that spaying will take place.

The guy spit on him. Make all the excuses you want but I think its horrible.

spitting is horrible - i agree - spraying is just sloppy and stupid.
as you said his hands are cupped - which also means you cant say he spit - but a hard 'k' sound would certainly push it forward and a 'b would spew it

Lori you said: Del the man had his hands cupped so I dont know how you could see that he was YELLING and not spitting.

Del said: spitting is horrible - i agree - spraying is just sloppy and stupid.
as you said his hands are cupped - which also means you cant say he spit - but a hard 'k' sound would certainly push it forward and a 'b would spew it

I'm with Del on this.

First off, no charges filed, the supposed "victim" backed down when pressed; if it actually happened on purpose I doubt there would have been any backing down.

Second, who spits with their hands cupped around their mouth? No one; unless they don't want the spittle to go very far (in fact the spit probably wouldn't travel much farther than that person's own hands).

Third, your perceptions are unreliable/ suspect, just as Del and I have separately noted.

Lori said: Marilyn seems to be under the impression that when the TP says or does violent things it is somehow Ok but when OWS does basically the same it is worse than what Bundy did.

OWS does the same as the TEA party? Despite what you say, the TEA party --- actual tea partiers only ever spoke loud and firm to their own supposed governmental representatives but never deliberately forced themselves onto private property, never urinated or pooed in public (much less onto a police car), never broke a window, never rushed a cop ... and not one of ladies of the TEA party ever bared her breasts for 'the cause'... (as some did at the beginning of the OWS and maybe they still are doing it for all I know), or had sex in public at any TEA party rally (under blankets but nonetheless in public).

Adding to that I can guarrantee you that although we have the right to and have carried a gun or two to places which they may or may not have been appropriate, the carrying never turned into using and not one TEA partier ever crossed the line from carrying his/her legal weapon to throwing illegal molotov cocktails at police.

Further ... our events never even allowed such a cancerous contingent of members or hangers on to grow large enough under our 'tent' so to speak to become a problem for police (if there ever was such a fringe element in the first place). Thus no TEA party arrests.

The same cannot be said of the Occupy Wallstreet people for the most part (there may be a few cities in which no one has gotten arrested and more power to em). And if an OWS gets arrested it's because they did something or allowed something or encouraged something for which they were arrested, not because they are being oppressed or cracked down on or discredited unjustifiably.

Re: almost from the beginning in regard to almost any "occupy" city we talk about, the reports coming out of the "Occupy" movement are the same . . . 12 arrests here, 8 arrrests there, 700 more arrests someplace else, 200 arrests in other places. And now molotov cocktails and other violence has erupted.

Frances Fox Piven is sooo proud. She's been practically jumping up and down for joy now that this new movement set on disruption has formed (you should see her giving a speech using the human mic - it's hilarious annd takes forever). She's been speaking at OWS movements then going back to the marxist sites and giving interviews about it .... oh it's just so wonderful for her that she inspired and is inspired by this kind of thing (arrests, disruptions, tearing down of the present government).

Lori, there is no proof that anyone ever spit on anyone. If there was, the reward would have been claimed.

And, as Lee mentioned above, TEA party rallies are arranged for in advance and they get permission to be there and pay for permits. They don't just "ocupy" and take over parks that are supposed to be for everyone. They don't deficate in the grass or set up tents. And when they do leave, they leave the area just as clean or cleaner than when they arrived.

Exactly Marilyn.

Marilyn M. Nov 4, 2011, 11:53pm EDT
Lori, there is no proof that anyone ever spit on anyone. If there was, the reward would have been claimed.

And, as Lee mentioned above, TEA party rallies are arranged for in advance and they get permission to be there and pay for permits. They don't just "ocupy" and take over parks that are supposed to be for everyone. They don't deficate in the grass or set up tents. And when they do leave, they leave the area just as clean or cleaner than when they arrived.

I don't remember any vandalism or violence even closely associated with the tea party. Yet if there was, it would condemn the whole movement, according to the left.

Me either, Matthew.

Matthew said: I don't remember any vandalism or violence even closely associated with the tea party.

There wasn't any.

Matthew said: Yet if there was, it would condemn the whole movement, according to the left.

It would have condemned us (even more than what they made up has nearly condemned us in some people's eyes). But when the left does what we were merely accused of ... it's a different story. Apparently according to at least one left leaning person, we don't realize "...there is a big difference between a pantywaist tea party and the seeds of revolution against the 1%. ...The right wing pantywaist cowards don't have a clue about what authentic dissent against tyrants is. They know what a little tea party is."

It's funny because it seems to me just a couple of weeks ago and not too many comments above this one in this current thread, the TEA party was a big bad vicious violent movement. Now we have become pantywaists in the shadow of the true revolutionaries? I don't know whether to laugh at this or actually begin to worry a whole lot more about what else is gonna come out of the OWS movement before it's over.

I heard that there was a suspicious death, Thomas.

At the OWS of course.