Occupy Protests Continue Regardless of Arrests

I'm certain the only addressing Obama will do will be to address more envelopes to send out more "bailout packages." Or "hush" money. Or more secret information about more secret deception against those who oppose being deceived. History, both current and past, tells us that those up there at his level have no intentions of relenting. But, before total war will become a reality against those at the "top," and all their kind, a massive natural disaster will probably occur crippling America to the point of devastation. Then, others from a foreign land will have the free will to do to those at the "top" in America what those in America that are at the bottom and in between were too foolish and chicken to do - put an end to their garbage.

In other words, we've had enough talk. And protesting is just giving them more time that they don't even have to buy. How pathetic it is that our sorry ass police and military would follow orders to do the dirty work for those at the "top," the top garbage.

A M E N - Card Ventura

I am proud of those so called " PROTESTERS " the are human beings, they are UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN citizens, the real ones!

agreed.

ahh gotta love the fascist mentalities in this country...

My favorite thing is the folks who are getting used by the 1% defending them with all the tripe about all you have to do is be a good little worker bee and eventually you'll get to be one of them. How sweet it must be to get to reap the benefits of the little guy's labor and have the little guy fight your battles for you against the other little guys.

JJ - I've reported you for your constant personal attacks on other Gather members. You might want to read your TOS again. I've had enough. And deleting your comments immediately after you make them only hides them from the public. Our moderators still see them. Stop with the personal attacks.

With you on that jj.

This reminds me of the civil rights protests and anti war protests in the 1960's, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested, but it did not stop him from fighting for his cause.

I am reminded of the lyrics of a song, "We stand tall, Americans all. No honor can be higher."

Great comment.

Mary Ann,
For me it seems more like the 'movement' Nancy Pelosi was "concerned" about back in September of 2009 when she said, "I saw this myself in the late ’70s".

And in case you aren't interested or don't have time to read the whole article at the above link, here is a relevant excerpt:

It's as I thought ..."The Former Speaker of the House was right." The Bay Area was indeed a mecca of political violence during the 1970s.

But the violence came exclusively from people whose outlook more closely resembled Nancy Pelosi's than Joe Wilson's (from the left).

**The violence came to a large extent from people led and encouraged by the man in who's home 'in 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama ....' It came from friends, acquaintances, proteges and comrades of Billy Ayers.

And in almost every case, the bombings and murders came from people or groups explicitly committed to violence, and not from peaceful protesters or from the right, à la the tea party or town meeting participants. . . "

Mary Ann S. Oct 23, 2011, 5:17pm EDT
This reminds me of the civil rights protests and anti war protests in the 1960's, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested, but it did not stop him from fighting for his cause.

I am reminded of the lyrics of a song, "We stand tall, Americans all. No honor can be higher."

hey Lee, SHOW ME THE VIOLENCE from the occupy Wall Street crew. Show me the bombings, the murders.
If you can do that I will take your comment seriously. Otherwise, stop the lying.

Chris,
There have been no bombings (that I know of/ or that have been reported ... possibly none in reality). And maybe no murders.

I never said there were.

What I did say was (in response to Mary Ann's remembrance), is what is going on in many 'occupy' groups is more reminiscent of those old violences Nancy feared, than they are of the civil rights movement as it presented itself under the leadership of MLK.

And, even while there may be some groups in some cities which are totally peaceful (if in non compliance with permit laws etc), the 'movement' as a whole shows all the signs of actually being what the TEA party was merely accused of being... and more.

What I mean is, as far as I know TEA party rallies on the whole were very law abiding (though the accusations and insinuations about our law breaking possibilities were so rampant that it was hard to see the fact for the absurdity of the reportings).

We were always orderly if insistent, bold, and sometimes loud (which is our right). Unlike what goes on at most of these 'occupy' get togethers.

As far as I know no TEA party rally or protest ever had an arrest on the scale of those arrested in the occupy movement ...if at all. Not for non compliance with police, not for lack of permissions, not for indiscriminate overflow into and onto private property or as trespassers on private property. Not for anything ... however, the occupy movement and it's supporters wear their arrests as badges of honor instead of the shame and the symptom of a lack of the ability and desire to control themselves that it really is.

There were no drugs at TEA party events, ever, during any protest, rally, or get together; and never any nudity at all (as there was in the beginning as at least one woman bared her breasts in order to get her "message" across - and may still be as a matter of course or due to the open living conditions that exist in some of these shanty town look alikes). However, living conditions don't explain the need for nude body painting at the events ... Bill Maher even made fun of the 'occasional' nudity on one of his shows.

So, I stand by what I said. These 'occupy' movements are much more reminiscent of those long ago violences Nancy remembered from the 70's in California, than they are of anything else.

So, I did not lie; you misunderstood and/or misrepresented what I was saying.

And, btw, let me repeat ... they do not represent me whether or not I'm very comfortably wealthy or dirt poor.


Chris Wiegard Oct 23, 2011, 11:21pm EDT
hey Lee, SHOW ME THE VIOLENCE from the occupy Wall Street crew. Show me the bombings, the murders.
If you can do that I will take your comment seriously. Otherwise, stop the lying.

Hmmm, Chris?,
There have been no bombings (that I know of/ or that have been reported ... possibly none in reality). And maybe no murders.

I never said there were, so I did not lie.

What I did say was (in response to Mary Ann's remembrance of previous protests), is what is going on in many 'occupy' groups is more reminiscent of those old violences Nancy feared, than they are (or are ever going to be) of the civil rights movement as it presented itself under the leadership of MLK. . . .


BUT now, since my comments on Oct 24, along with all the other nastiness that has ocurred at OWS gatherings ... now there is OAKLAND. Let the molotov coctails fly... just as they have in the past; just as Nancy feared they would.

However I think she hoped it would come from the right (from the TEA party 'as a result of' our "violent" -not so much- rhetoric) rather than the left. Too bad. That was never gonna happen; but it didn't take long for it to happen with OWS. Wonder if she still will 'bless' them?

Chris? Apology for saying I was lying?

It's disgusting that the police should come against the protest groups. But given American history, America has always been more likely to stifle free speech than to support it. Especially this kind, against those with all the power.

It still is enough to give one pause to wonder whether or not the U. S. is revealing itself to be a police state.

The problem is that nobody polices the police. Every now and then abusive cops will be brought up on charges, but usually they just get a "warning" and a paid vacation. Given how much power the police in America actually have a police state is all but inevitable. They can literally get away with murder by just saying that their victim assaulted them.

I am still unsure exactly what it is they are protesting. Do they have some sort of Manifesto? It appears from what I have read and heard is that they want to increase taxes and entitlements. But to what levels? And how will this help our nation as a whole? To me the protests are nothing more than class warfare with no clear objectives. And my guess is the majority if not all of the arrests have been made against protestors who have broken just laws. I don't think law enforcement would be helping the protest by turning a blind eye to criminal activity.

@Lee -- no manifesto. It's the general protest of the corruption in banks.

Do you think you should pay upwards of $12.00 just to have a bank account? They already make money moving our $$ around in banks, why continue charging ??

Personally, I pay my bank fees and I don't complain; but I think it's BS.


Anyway that is just ONE of the reasons the protests are going on. Hence the droves of protesters going into Citibank to close their accounts.

Lee C. said: To me the protests are nothing more than class warfare with no clear objectives. And my guess is the majority if not all of the arrests have been made against protestors who have broken just laws.

I agree.

"Do you think you should pay upwards of $12.00 just to have a bank account? They already make money moving our $$ around in banks, why continue charging ??"

LOL. Wait until the Volker Rule kicks in full swing, and you can thank Barney and Chris for that. No more prop desk trading. The large investment banks are expected to lose up to 25% of their revenue, and I can promise you they'll be looking to recoup it by other means. Liquidity in the markets will drop as a result of this, meaning be prepared to get kicked in the stomach on your 401K when the indexes fall. Twelve dollar maintenance fee's and $5.00 bankcard fee's are a drop in the bucket compared to what you'll see. The Occupy protesters really haven't a clue as to who they're protesting and for what reasons.

...my guess is the majority if not all of the arrests have been made against protestors who have broken just laws.

Because the police can't possibly be doing anything wrong can they? Nope, they are always right because they are in a position of authority and therefore can do no wrong.

"...they are always right because they are in a position of authority and therefore can do no wrong."

Kind of like Obama?

Obama has been wrong alot of times. Unlike some people I don't worship authority. I did vote for Obama, but not because I had some delusion that he was destined to be our savior. In my mind he is the lesser of two evils.

It is time for these liberal people to stop with all this BS. This is the same deal as the hippy movements of the 70s and 80s. It is just a group of people complaining about "the man". This BS isn't solving anything. It is just making matters worse for all involved.

The hippy movement was the 60s and 70s.... it was disco and punk that made it in the 80s - along with the Reaganauts.

That wasn't the point if my comment Chelsea. It doesn't matter the time period. The point of my comment was to say that these protests and whatever else these people are doing is no different than the hippy movement. It is just people trying to say "the man" is doing something wrong to them.

Ryan, the 60s counterculture changed american politics greatly. The legacy is prominent; if you'd actually read about what those "smelly dirty hippies" achieved, you might not be so quick to compare every single protest that isn't "right wing" to the hippies; nor would you get the entire era/timeline wrong.

I get what you are trying to say Ryan. And I agree.

And to put it another way (though you may or may not totally agree with the way I phrase it):

... It's a very good thing, or described as "mostly peaceful," or innovative, necessary, smart tactics, even "blessed" when the left does the things the TEA party and Conservatives are only accused of doing (or wanting to do).

Ryan S. Oct 24, 2011, 6:31pm EDT
That wasn't the point if my comment Chelsea. It doesn't matter the time period. The point of my comment was to say that these protests and whatever else these people are doing is no different than the hippy movement. It is just people trying to say "the man" is doing something wrong to them.

From the article: It appears that the 1% should be afraid, very afraid.

Yep, we should be but we're still too weak from laughing at them and their poop and drugs and arrests (righteous arrests most of em ...).

It's funny (not really) if you actually follow the law, protest in an orderly (if bold) manner, rent your venue and/ or make sure to get all appropriate permits for a certain amount time ... and then leave when your permit expires (making sure to pay the bill), obey the authorities if they tell you to move, respect the private property of those around you, don't do drugs, don't do anything to get arrested, don't bare your breasts or rush police or break any windows .... then you are called the TEA party and are considered "dangerous" if not right on the verge of violence.

But those who behave the exact opposite of that ... they are to be blessed and are called martyrs. What a topsy turvy world this has become; possibly even "a pleasant change" from all that law-abiding.

Are you saying you're a member of the 1% -- because I dunno if I'm convinced you're a billionaire wall street CEO.....

because if you have to work for a living, pay taxes, maintain a bank account feed a family during a recession etc etc etc under $500,000 a year; you're a member of the 99% -- whether you support the occupy movement or not.

I'm not a member of the 99%; please don't rank me with them.

I may agree with them on some small portions of their points (when they make one ) but because of the things most of these groups have done (see my above comment for all the things the tea party didn't do to find out what many 'occupy' groups do do) and continue to do that are far from my own experience and are actually part of the lives of the kind of people I deliberately avoid ... I won't accept being put onto the membership roll of the 99%.

In fact, I think the percentages are wrong. While the so-called"99%" are most noticeable these days because of what seems to be an "occupy even illegally if necessary" mantra, I do not think they represent that much of the pop.

And as I said, in any case, even if I agree with some tiny bit of what they say they are protesting ... they actually represent me in the same way Glenn Beck 'represents' you and your views. If you see what I mean.

"I'm not a member of the 99%; please don't rank me with them."

you don't get to chose, Lee, it's not a matter of your wishes. Are you one of the top 1% of americans in terms of income? No? Then you are one of the 99%, by definition. It's not a matter of politics, it's a matter of math, get it?

Does not mean you have to agree with the Occupy Wall Street crew, you obviously do not agree, and that is your right. But hey, you are a member of the 99%, it is what it is.

Chris you quoted me here: "I'm not a member of the 99%; please don't rank me with them."

Then you said: ...you don't get to chose, Lee, it's not a matter of your wishes. .... Does not mean you have to agree with the Occupy Wall Street crew, you obviously do not agree, and that is your right. But hey, you are a member of the 99%, it is what it is.

I can only repeat that I refuse to allow anyone to purport to represent me who has the record of behaviors this group has.

I do get to choose and it is a matter of my wishes.

It's not just math, no matter how much 'they' want to include me in order to inflate their numbers.

It's a matter of having many many years ago put that kind childish, irresponsible and moochy behavior behind me ... (one girl bemoaned the fact that she was expected to pay back her student loan poor her; signed the contract with her parent's blessing and now the bill has come due... tiny violin playing sad music in the background) and of my having since then, done my best to avoid that kind of person for the bulk of my adult life (nudie exhibitionists, druggies, and criminals etc.).

No, as of this moment in time, I do NOT think the majority of the arrests are due to police brutality ... I think the protesters are doing things for which they deserve at least a warning and sometimes probably at least an overnight stay in the hoosegow, and if they resist they get what they get ... now that is what it is)..

And as long as they continue the silliness I described in my previous comment to you, they will always be 'they' even if they get their way or become a majority.

Sooo, once again (for those who may not want to scroll up to my previous comment), here's an edited-down version of why ----

while there may be some groups in some cities which are totally peaceful (if in non compliance with permit laws etc), the 'movement' as a whole shows all the signs of actually being what the TEA party was merely accused of being... and more.

What I mean is, ... TEA party rallies on the whole were very law abiding (though the accusations and insinuations about our law breaking possibilities were so rampant that it was hard to see the fact for the absurdity of the reportings).

We were always orderly... Unlike what goes on at most of these 'occupy' get togethers.

As far as I know no TEA party rally or protest ever had an arrest on the scale of those arrested in the occupy movement, if at all ... however, the occupy movement and it's supporters wear their arrests as badges of honor instead of the shame and the symptom of a lack of the ability and desire to control themselves that it really is.

There were no drugs at TEA party events, and never any nudity at all ... even lefty Bill Maher made fun of the 'occasional' nudity on one of his shows (as it should be though it pains me to agree with him).

So, I stand by what I said. These 'occupy' movements are much more reminiscent of those long ago protest movements/violences Nancy remembered from the 70's in California, than they are of anything else; and they are NOT me no matter what their actual issues might or might not be.

Chris Wiegard Oct 23, 2011, 11:26pm EDT
"I'm not a member of the 99%; please don't rank me with them."

you don't get to chose, Lee, it's not a matter of your wishes. Are you one of the top 1% of americans in terms of income? No? Then you are one of the 99%, by definition. It's not a matter of politics, it's a matter of math, get it?

Does not mean you have to agree with the Occupy Wall Street crew, you obviously do not agree, and that is your right. But hey, you are a member of the 99%, it is what it is.

I am soooo not a member of the 99%.

Their behavior just got worse however impossible that might have seemed (unless there has been more of this type of thing and it hasn't yet been reported or I missed it) OAKLAND.

"..."Oakland Police responded to a late night call that protesters had broken into and occupied a downtown building and set several simultaneous fires," the statement read. "The protesters began hurling rocks, explosives, bottles, and flaming objects at responding officers." [now who didn't expect that? it's almost become an M.O. for left leaning protest groups.]

"Several businesses were heavily vandalized. Dozens of protesters wielding shields were surrounded and arrested."

Check out the whole article (if it stays up).

And I soooo do get to choose. I choose NOT.

the behavior isn't the point of being 99% Lee... are you not able to.. I dunno.. read the news? Or do you just stick to Gather where you can just run your mouth without even appearing to have an ounce of understanding for something?

http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/19833-occupy-wall-street#.TrNLUEN3R4o


Otherwise, I'm just going to have to believe you're a troll.

Chelsea,
You gave me what amounts to a campaign ad/ propaganda piece for OWS. I gave you a news item about what OWS protesters in OAKLAND actually did. So yes, I read the news. Do you?

It is very much about behavior. The behavior at OWS gatherings has been subpar from the beginning. And it's getting worse.

If they ever get their act together their message may appeal (since many regular citizens feel the same about a couple of their issues) ... but unless/until they can get a handle on the boundaries of their own group, until they actual repel, expel AND condemn those elements some claim are not OWS (IF they aren't, that is) ... until they can manage to do that, they are the unruly lawbreaking molotov cocktail throwing mob I am reading about.


You said: Otherwise, I'm just going to have to believe you're a troll.

So if I do not come to understand this 'movement' the way you do I must be a troll?

Guess I can't stop you from viewing me any way you want. You will be wrong, but if that's the way you see it there is nothing I can do about it.

Chelsea Hoffman Nov 3, 2011, 10:19pm EDT
the behavior isn't the point of being 99% Lee... are you not able to.. I dunno.. read the news? Or do you just stick to Gather where you can just run your mouth without even appearing to have an ounce of understanding for something?

http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/19833-occupy-wall-street#.TrNLUEN3R4o


Otherwise, I'm just going to have to believe you're a troll.