Christian Mother Loses Her Lesbian Daughter To Hate

If every daughter or son committed suicide over being rejected by a mother or father, there'd be a mess of old people in the USofA with no one to pick their nursing home.

That's all too true. I know several people who were rejected by their parents for one reason or another and they managed to make it through. To some people though a parent's love and approval is everything and they never find another family or support system.

~Dusting off my copy of Oedipus.~

I'd like to think MOST 'Christians' would choose their children over some SkyFairy's edicts from 1,000's of years ago. I'd go as far as suggest that Christianity doesn't make them whacky. IF they didn't have Christianity, they'd adopt something else and still be just as whacky.

"IF they didn't have Christianity, they'd adopt something else and still be just as whacky."

I agree. There are just bad parents out there who are going to put other things ahead of their kids ~ whether it's religion, money, drugs etc.

The New Testament never mentions homosexuality at all. The relevent passages are all OT, right next to the injunctions against eating pork.

I don't know why people can't just accept their children for who they are.

Holly: I grew up in a dysfunctional with alcoholic parents. I managed to survive, though admittedly, I'm a train wreck. Somehow, even before I hit 12, I realized 'seeking my parents' approval' was a waste of time.

This gets a little difficult for people to understand: Hate is not the oposite of love. Apathy is the oposite of love. Hate means you care. Love means you care. Rejection means you care. We COULD as 'any attention is good attention.'

However, it can be difficult for people who wish approval from people who don't wish to or can't give it.

Margaret: Paul had something negative to say about homosexuality. I forget exactly where, but he did. In the Bible, the NT, we don't have any direct communication, oddly, from Jesus. All we really have is what other people felt Jesus thought and said. Half the writers of the NT never met Jesus in the fresh. Paul, for example, met the 'risen' Christ on the road to Damascus. Saul had a vision, then changed his name to Paul.

But, be that as it may, by his own writing, Paul had an unnaturally close relationship with a 'young boy' in prison. Paul struggled with many things, conflicts within his life, which makes Paul an interesting character. I feel Paul had attraction to men, which he thought was wrong. That's what he wrote about.

There's an interesting passage in Mark, where Jesus encounters a 'young man in a white robe in a garden.' In his Gospel, Mark doesn't tell us anymore about the young man. However, in one of the Gospels that was left out of the Canon in the Council of Trent, which is now called "The Secret Gospel of Mark," Mark speaks of Jesus' unusually close relationship with the young man.

I believe it was Mark who wrote: Jesus taught in parable, but in private, he revealed all.

One more thing, Margaret: Up until the mid 1800's, the Bible was the source of the world view of the universal construct, though the religious order began to lose its grip on dictates in a long slide starting in the 1500's with Martin Luther's revelations, the Black Plague and the invention of the printing press.

Darwin delayed the publication of his "Descent of Man" for 20 years out of respect for his wife's religious devotion.

Martin Luther wrestled thought from the Church in Rome, arguing that each person should determine what the Bible means for themselves.

Darwin comes along and challenges conventional thought.

Now, let's get to homosexuality.

Here's the challenge:

Don't show me in the Bible where God hates homosexuality. We all know those passages in the OT are to support procreation, because these were a desert people who had to maximize reproduction before of the high death rate. It was a matter of survival. Thus, anything that could threaten reproduction was condemned by their god.

Show me the science.

I can understand if someone tells me: "I don't like the idea of homosexuality." To them, I say: Then don't be gay.

I don't like Pepsi, but I'd never tell anyone not to drink it.

We'd think 500 years after Martin Luther, we, as a species, would be ready to stand on our own and and think for ourselves.

But no, many, if not most people need the sky fairy to hold them up.

"We'd think 500 years after Martin Luther, we, as a species, would be ready to stand on our own and and think for ourselves"

A big atheist amen!

I'm more (original) pagan -- meaning not having embraced any magical thinking, accepting natural and reality for what it is without excuses -- than atheist.

Atheism embraces the idea that there is no god, where what I believe is more existential, in that the question: "Is there a god" doesn't matter.

Nature is a harsh mistress, devoid of cognition, compassion, empathy and love: all the things that make human beings what we are. Without the belief in a sky fairy watching over us with a plan we cannot understand explaining away the horrors of reality -- like life consumes life, we're born to die, death is not the oposite of birth -- death and birth are siblings, many if not most people would curl up in the fetal position and sob.

I understand 'WHY religion' and why people need to cling so dearly to magical thinking.

All I've every asked of god is that she save me from her followers.

I've identified as atheist because that's just the easiest way to explain my beliefs or non-beliefs or whatever. However I do have pagan and Buddhist friends who tell me that I would be a very good pagan or Buddhist.

I've even had a couple of friends tell me I should be a Unitarian or a Quaker.

Although at this point in my life I've come to realize that labels ~ while they might make it easier to identify friend or foe ~ are just superfluous nonsense that have no bearing on who we really are and I also believe that the question "Is there a god" doesn't matter.

Labels are for jelly jars -- agreed.

Over the years, I've stumbled over many people calling themselves pagan or witches. I'd ask, "Well, do tell." They'd give me three minutes on the Goddess and Nature, then three hours on how Christians have it wrong.

Then I'd ask: "How can Christians are wrong be a belief?" I think many people are just plain pissed off how they were fooled for most their lives about Christianity, Jesus being Santa Claus for adults. They, like an angry child, get a new religion, which is nothing more than say Christianity dressed up like Buddism or Christianity with a Goddess instead of a God. That's like an alcoholic giving up his life-long love affair with beer, picking up wine and thinking he's clean and sober.

Last time I checked, there are 2,300 different flavors of Christianity worldwide, all based somehow on the teaching of Jesus and/or the Bible.

Let's put Christ Science and the Quakers side by side.

Huh?

People pretty much make up their 'religion' as they go, to often the cart driving the horse.

"Religion" and its beliefs have many 'reasons,' one of which I stated above. Another reason is that we human critters hate not knowing stuff. Religion, or magical thinking, is the answer to what we cannot know.

Atheism (the theory or belief that God does not exist) is a belief system, which is why I don't call myself an atheist.

Let me get back on the topic. Looking at our children is like looking at a funhouse mirror. We wish to believe they are we and not individuals. When our children are 'different from us,' deep inside we see it as disrespect.

If we go back to the old Greek myths and the Gods, one of the greatest fears we have deep in our reptilian brain is that our children will kill us. We have a drive, then, to control our children, preventing a rise in individuality separate from us.

Oedipus, unknowingly killed his father and bedded his mother. The drive is 'hidden,' yet manifests. When Oedipus realized the truth, which was like a dark shadow over the land, he gouged his eyes out. His mother, Jocasta, killed herself.

Now, people might yell out: "But that's fiction!"

Fiction is the lie by which we tell the truth.

Let me tell you the label I often place on my forehead. I see myself as a free-thinker. Like most labels, this has been co-opted by people, making it something it's not. Free thinking doesn't mean we think anything we wish.

Free thinking means we adopt what we know for sure, which isn't much when you think about all the things we know for sure. On the other things, we apply critical thinking and reason. When we need make choices, we adopt what is 'reasonable' or 'likely.'

Free thinking isn't so much a belief system as it is a systematic way to look at information.

People hate their children for not meeting (perhaps unconscious) expectations. Isn't it about time we spread the word that children are individual human beings, not symbolic images or second chances or even work product to show off parental value. Children are people with whom we can enjoy deep and meaningful relationship, if we so choose.

I couldn't agree more.

Sad sad sad.

Ditto.

I have to agree with you, Peter and Jim!

thanks for the post

This is so sad it brought me to tears. That poor family. You know, some people are so deeply entrenched in church doctrine and dogma that they just go through life not knowing any different. If they do see different, then it's wrong to them, evil. I see this in my mother's generation which is a little older than the mother of this lesbian daughter. The mother, imo, believed in her heart that she was saying the right things and doing the right things. I have no doubt this mother loved her daughter, but the mother was ignorant of life beyond the church.

For some, church indoctrination can have a very firm hold, more so than people realize. The guilt and fear of going against what you thought was right and just all of your life can weigh very heavy. This poor young woman was fighting against the motherly guilt and the church guilt (and who knows what else). It took me a long time to realize the hold the church had on me and I know I'll still find aspects of it hiding in the shadows of my life.

I hope others with beliefs similar to this mother see this video and see themselves, or someone they know, in it, and realize what they are doing to others. This is so very sad.

"I hope others with beliefs similar to this mother see this video and see themselves, or someone they know, in it, and realize what they are doing to others. This is so very sad."

Some will and some won't. Some will go so far as to not just inflict mental damage on their kids but physical as well. One of my best friends was beaten almost to death by his Baptist deacon father. He was trying to beat the gay out of him.

Ignorant and physically violent to boot, huh? Praise GEE-zus!

what a terrible waste of life, her poor daughter.