Michele Bachmann Born in Canada? Rumor Started by Barack Obama

She better show her long form now or else we will know to be suspicious!


LOL

I know!

Couldn't be Canada. Must be the moon. I am sure people will find one that says the moon.

Canada wouldn't have her.

That's the real problem with the birther movement - it fundamentally undermines the concept of citizenship and the legitimacy of our electoral process. It doesn't matter who the next set of presidential candidates is, someone can and will come up with the idea that they aren't native citizens, demand to see their long-form birth certificate, and once it's presented claim that its a forgery. So nobody's a legitimate president because everyone's records could be forged.

Michele Bachmann will never be able to prove she wasn't born in Canada. Donald Trump will never be able to prove he wasn't born in Germany. Newt Gingrich will never be able to prove he wasn't born in Pakistan, raised a radical muslim, and is only wearing his staunch Christian conservatism as a cloak to get elected.

Once the legally accepted documents are no longer legitimate, then nothing is legitimate.

And by the way, this list of persons 'born outside the United States' is entirely fictitious and intended to express irony.

But actually, we have had a 'spat' of Birther-splattered contenders.

All of them - J. McCain, G. Wallace, G. Romney (to my knowledge, which may not be complete!) - have all been essentially handed a 'bye', by Congress.

In modern history, Congress' actions suggest 'protecting their own', on this particular question. Repeatedly, and fairly egregiously.

Althought these cases have of course played out over many decades ... there still could be a built-up/pent-up resent-factor at work, which 'came out' or at least contributed, in the case of Obama.

Typical dirty Chicago politics. Start lies, rumors, and gossip to destroy the potential contenders.

The people of America voted for the slime balls. Now they are going to get what they wanted in spades - change and more change. Now that the slime balls are fully in control, after decades of slowly but surely wiggling their way into position, they will do their best to remain in control, even if it means destroying America.

And I am not just talking about the current administration, I am talking about both Bushes, Ford, Clinton, and others before them.

This shows the sublte of the Presidential politics. By starting making this public the President is setting up the Tea Party people to support his amnesty for the illegal aliens.

Obama's skill-of-note is his ability to deliver a prepared speech in a "senatorial" voice (tho only when read directly from the script).

There is a great deal riding on this single asset of his ... and serious questions what (if any) other assets he might have.

His "judgement" in the way he has chosen to respond to, and then to politically "use" the birther phenomenon, is a fairly-glaring "case in point".

Once Obama decided - 3 years ago - to ignore/deny the questions about his birth qualification, it certainly 'seems' like the sensible/correct thing, to stick with that position.

To now "flip-flop" on the birth certificate issue, seems risky.

To now "validate" the birther-question approach, by opening a "Pandora's Box" of his own - one which he will clearly "own", going forward - strikes me as gratuitously risky.

"He of the booming, senatorial voice", should stick to his talent-base. He is not an especially-funny funny-man. In fact, Obama-supportive media plainly struggled to edit & splice a video of events at the Correspondent's Dinner, that would not show the President in the awkward & strained light he placed himself in.
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Seriously, the only attractive context I can imagine to explain Obama's recent actions & decisions, on the Birther matter especially, but other things too, is that these moves are part of a more-sophisticated political gambit, which is as yet unrevealed.

What could that be? An obvious suggestion is that Mr. Obama is more concerned about Sarah Palin, than he is with Donald Trump. That Trump is a species of spoiler.

After all, both Liberals and Conservatives have pointed out that Trump could be a Trojan Horse, aiming secretly to advance the cause of the President & Democratic Party, all the while being seen flicking spit-wads at Obama.

But that incurs the cost of assuming that both Obama & Trump are higher-level political sophisticates than we have good reason to take them for. ;)

In my mind, his gambit already worked. Trump (and to some extent Sarah Palin) stepped on his landmine. They got sucked into an engagement with him where he could play aloof, he bided his time until they were committed to the birther question, and once he saw an opportunity to shift attention to them in a negative light, he dropped the long-form certificate on top of them. Now, every time either of them try to bring up any real issues, anyone who wants to take them down a peg can bring up the birther issue and ask 'Doesn't it now seem like a mistake to have suggested the President Obama was so dishonest and such a criminal when, in fact, there was no basis for any such charges?' And it was. And they can't escape that it was. At that point, they'll have to go on the defensive talking about 'what they knew at the time', but it boils down to the same thing - they wanted to believe he was a gigantic fraud so they let those questions fester in their mind rather than accepting the truth provided by the certificate of live birth. They let themselves get taken in by a fringe movement.

A good fly-over of the landscape, Ajatasutra.

Palin had fairly-recently put Birthers at arm's-length, and only flattered Trump with 'that's him' caveats (tho the landmine could still get her).

Long as they are good-natured about it and don't get testy, they should be alright; 'acceptance' should protect them from 'too much' heat. Trump has demonstrated this ... taming his 'come-back mouth'. Now, if he can keep it up...

My 'panel indicators' went blinking-amber, as Trump appeared to 'run interfence' on Birtherism for Palin. Letting her 'draft', as they say in racing ... or 'stomping snow' for her, as they say in the North Country.

I did not really get the sense that Obama 'had' to release the long-form, to neutralize Trump, himself. He is not that established or credible - exciting poll figures notwithstanding.

And the "flip-flop" question isn't cost free - there had to be a meaningful 'expense' the Obama felt he 'had' to retire, to justify reversing himself.

Well, in any event, it is looking like another captivating election season: it shouldn't boring. ;)

I can't believe that Obama would do such a thing, but I would bet that she is willing to show her long form birth certificate more rapidly than Obama showed his potentially face long form birth certificate.

She may be, but, as has been noted about Obama's... every doesn't have to believe that it's not a forgery. So she trots it out... it's publicly denounced as a forgery (despite its obvious credentials), and we spend a few months talking about how much money she paid to have the forgery admitted as a 'real' document and how despicable she is for lying that way...

Does it really matter if she's exonerated after the fact at that point?

Hence my point about the dangers of birtherism. It doesn't matter if the claim is directed at someone you dislike now... it could always be directed at someone you like later. That's why we have robust checking systems and faith in those systems. Once we lose faith in those checking systems, we may as well not vote for anyone because we'll never know who is committing a horrible crime and who is just trying to make the world better.

How about it was a fun time for everyone (maybe except Trump) and they told a bunch of jokes? No need to take it serious people. President's from both parties have done it for years.

I dont know, I dont find some of this stuff joke worthy.. its nice to have humor in the right place but with all that is goind on... I think it comes off as being kind of corny and again High School days..

Vickey, let me be first to put it face-up on the table: World-class actors have indeed found themselves with tender parts of their anatomy caught in the ringer, as the result of ill-considered 'jokes'.

Let's say for example that Mr. Obama had tried a little of the infamous "Chris Rock" type racial humor. Would he have been able to do those sorts of jokes, with causing himself major problems? Doubtful.

No - in fact, there are limits & risk, in humor!

Specifically, yeah, 'creating' the Backmann 'rumor' may have been kinda like unzipping his fly, as part of some gag. Better not to go there, really.

Come on Michelle, show us your birth certificate. Or maybe White people don't have to
"prove" anything.