Go and assemble the elders of the Israelites, and tell them: The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has appeared to me and said: I am concerned about you and about the way you are being treated in Egypt; so I have decided to lead you up out of the misery of Egypt ... Ex 3:16-17
Yeah right. I wonder what really happened. Most likely, Moses never saw God in the extraordinary way described in the scriptures. He never saw a burning bush. He never heard a voice. Except maybe in his mind.
An alternate telling of the story might have him burning to do something for the enslaved Israelites. This is the way God works. Using ordinary human beings. OK extraordinary human beings. Giving gifts. And the human being does the work. With help and encouragement from God. The work will feel right. The individual will be so certain in the rightness of his cause that he goes about his or her work filled with joy. A peace that surpasses all understanding. He or she feels fulfilled. Think of Ghandi. Think of Martin Luther King. They knew the danger. Yet they stepped forward into the limelight and set their people free. This is what Moses did. Neither Ghandi nor MLK saw a burning bush. Neither heard a voice. It is not part of the story. Yet God was with them. If they lived at the time of Moses, the writer of scripture may have made up a story about a bush and a voice. It reflects faith that God was involved. Looking back, we can see that they were right to have acted as they did. They led great movements. They succeeded against overwhelming odds.
But many of us want our Gods to be magic. We want to see explicit involvement of God in our affairs. Hey the writers of the scripture just gave the people what they wanted. For the rest of us, the burden is greater. We know that we should not wait for a burning bush and a voice. We know God does not work that way. Rather God’s spirit is present in our hearts. We start to see things as God sees them. That slavery and oppression are wrong. That misusing the resources of the earth and leaving it barren and polluted is wrong. That the distribution of wealth is out of balance. That creation is wonderful. That everyone is meant to share. That everyone deserves love and a satisfying life.
Some may think that God only talks to great leaders like Ghandi and MLK. But God talks to everyone. God pushes his or her agenda through each person. We need to love ourselves and others. Just how to work in creation and redemption is likely to be different in each life. Everyone needs to see things as God sees them, do things as God does them. And God’s range of involvement is incomprehensible. Mostly we work on a human scale. With things we can see and feel and think about. God works on a scale from photons and atoms to the whole universe. Galaxies, planets, countries. On our scale, God works mostly with the human heart.
So did Moses lie when he told the assembled elders of Israel that God sent him? Did he feel funny saying that? When I do a good thing on my scale, when I wash dishes or pay a compliment or do something else to make someone feel good, to edify people, to affirm them, do I announce that God sent me to do it?
There would be an alternative, namely that God only works for large groups. Has no interaction with individuals unless they are the leaders. I imagine that many peoples believed the large group theory, as if God doesn’t have time to deal with individuals. Each tribe and village had its own gods.
There is a lot to think about, and maybe I’ll change my mind. But I wonder what consensus we could have, taking into account all we know about human psychology, which would include mob psychology, and group psychology, and gang psychology. Male bonding (as in the army on the battlefield, or on the job site) and female networking. How much of the village gods could be understood by what we currently think in psychology. The reality hasn’t changed, only the words we use to describe it.
So history includes an extraordinary story of the Israelites slaves getting sprung from Egypt. And the leader was Moses. A footnote in history. Almost lost to history. Not a big deal to historians. Only important because it got described in scriptures a long time after it happened. They made up stories to convey their belief. A burning bush, a voice from heaven. Hey, it’s magic. God must really move us. God singled us out. We are specially chosen.
Not true. We are all equal in God’s site. This is a tenant of my religion. No chosen people. We are essentially on our own. Traditional religions don’t help much. And their scriptures give a distorted picture which essentially blocks us from perceiving the wonder of it all.
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But psychology too are collections of words made exciting to the minds of those who will believe. Everything known to mankind are collected words made to create some form of identity in humanity. James you may not believe in the collected stories of the Bible but to say that they are false you really don't know and will only know if you were to believe and that comes from having FAITH.
The REAL TRUTH may never be known by those who have taken up the suggestion that GOD does not exist from the stories of the Bible. If it had not been for the Bible stories, how would we know that GOD really exist at all? You may be one of those who don't need to see a burning bush and it might be because you are in belief that because ancient societies worshiped gods they believed to be almighty, acknowledge which of these gods are being related to an entire world. Notice which of these gods are being taught in the minds of all men.
You only have your mind to deal with. Moses was also a non-believer and he had questions too. His climb up the smoking mountain probably brought up many questions as to why he wanted to see what was at the mountain top. If he had just climbed and climbed and never visualized anything what would his mission had been? He had to have seen something that would stop him in his tracks and make him a believer. What better to do this than a bush burning but not being consumed?
I don't want to try to persuade you to become anything you don't want to become. It seems like you are asking to be made a believer and because you have not received your instructions from GOD yet, you are being attacked by a spirit that wants you to miss your deliverance. But you know that in due time GOD will awaken you, if you are TRULY calling out to HIM and want to know the REAL TRUTH, HE will make you a believer. HE made me a believe and did so abruptly. Be TRULY honest in wanting to know how GOD works and eventually when your heart is ready, GOD will allow you to be a witness.
GOD BLESS...
Thanks for taking time to read my post and preparing your long and thoughtful comment.
And thank you for your concern for my soul. My take is that you are a truly charitable person. Someone on God's team. Someone at work in God's vineyard, creating and redeeming.
You and I are on different belief tracks. I think the biggest difference is our take on the Bible. You imagine Moses climbing a smokey mountain as if it actually occurred just the way it is presented in the Bible. I imagine he could have climbed smokey mountains many times and somehow connected with God on them. But the story is all made up.
The author's purpose was not to give us historical or journalistic facts. He was not a historian or journalist. Rather he was talking about God. And God is ineffable. Eye has not seen nor ear heard. God prefers to remain hidden. We don't have language adequate to convey God. We always get it wrong. Or at least incomplete. Even in the Bible.
Human beings are known to have very strong feelings of God's presence. Not continuously, of course, but particular times and places. Some of these feelings are so strong they actually think they are hearing a voice. And, hey, the writers of scripture hear these stories too. And they run with it.
My take on scripture is that it is not factual and not historical. It wasn't intended to be. The truth it contains is about God. And, to complete the picture, it's not all true. I wouldn't want to believe in the god sometimes depicted. If you are commander of a bunch of soldiers and you think God is trying to tell you to go into that next village and kill everything there -- men women, children, animals -- would you obey? Does God give such orders? Not any God I want to believe in. Yet that is the God of one portion of the Bible.
If you and your men massacre a village, how are you going to explain it? Say God told us to do it. It wouldn't wash today. But in the time of Saul it did. Or at least that's my take. The scripture is a whitewash of Saul's despicable acts. OK such acts occur in all wars. Saul's PR person said I was only following orders.
OK that's not right. Saul did not follow orders. Orders to kill every living thing in a village. Rather Saul spared some of the prettier women. And Animals. To offer sacrifice to God he said. But God's prophet, I believe it was Samuel, caught him in a lie. Samuel, speaking for God explained that God wanted him to kill every living thing. This is how Saul is said to have lost favor with God. So it was God who was made to take the rap for Saul's despicable deeds. Even though Saul disobeyed. Are we to think of God as capable or ordering massacres? Not any God I want to believe in.
We can't make the Bible our only path to God. Because hey, it's sometimes not reliable. You have to understand it correctly. You have to approach it with a mote of skepticism. With you brain still working. God will speak directly to you. Just as he spoke to the writers of the scripture. You have to make sense of it yourselves. God gave you a brain. You are responsible for using it.
Still the Bible is a magic book. I almost believe that God guides those who work with it. Those who use it. Or maybe God guides those who connect with God and use their minds. I write these essays, always taking a passage of scripture as my springboard. Where my thoughts go I sometimes find amazing. I could easily imagine that God is somehow involved. It's magic. There's more to this than meets the eye.
Which I guess is the story of life on earth. There's more to this than meets the eye. You and I are among those who are struggling to understand.
Best of luck to you.
Cheers
Jim
Finding the REAL TRUTH is the struggle for anyone.
GOD BLESS you also and keep spreading your words of TRUTH...
While a few extraordinary individuals make it into the history books, it is the ordinary people that do the day to day heavy lifing. I suspect the last person to have a positive influence on your life was due to a personal encounter and not someone you saw on TV or read about in the paper.
We all do god's work, everyday.
Thanks for taking time to read my post and for your comment. I'd say on many things you and I are simpatico.
And you have a way with words. I like the phrase "everyday heavy lifting".
Cheers.
Jim
Thanks for taking time to read my post.
OK We disagree on the burning bush thing. Hey, God could have abrogated the laws of nature. I have never seen it, but maybe others have. I think the laws of nature are wonderful enough. And that Moses somehow owning the impulse to set his people free is wonderful enough without a burning bush. Wherefrom came the impulse? I credit God. I can easily imagine that is the way God works. In this age of DNA and all, we still can't explain how impulses pop up. God could be the origin without abrogating any known law of nature.
My thinking on this was helped by a certain Anglican Priest and particle physicist named John Polkinghorne. I learned of him from an NPR show currently called "Being", hosted and created by Krista Tippett. Follow this link to listen to the show: http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2011/quarks-creation/
Cheers.
Jim
My illusion involved producing a very low temperature flame around a plant that can withstand great heat. I even set myself on fire with it once. It hurt like crazy, but did not burn my skin.
Thanks for reading my post and commenting.
How can you experience God without being the slightest bit religious? OK it's probably just semantics. Definition of religion. Imagine the church lady.
You and I, Jerry, are likely simpatico on lots of issues. And probably we both have an open mind. Not that we're interested in everything. Hey, we only have so much time. But, following Supreme court justice Leaned Hand, we are not too certain we are right. We keep the door open just a crack. There's a lot of truth out there and only so much time to collect it. So our collections are likely to be incomplete.
Cheers
Jim
What you and I seem to "see" is what some call the Perennial Philosophy (Wisdom) ... IMnsHO
Thanks for taking time to read mu post and commenting. And your flattery is nice too.
Cheers
Jim