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No Matter What Bush Says, Torture Did Not "Foil" Any London Terror Plots
From former President George W. Bush’s Decision Points book tour, one would think there was nothing wrong with waterboarding. In fact, one might conclude in order to be a strong leader, one has to have the “courage†or “guts†to request a terror suspect be waterboarded or else face the possibility of appearing weak. But, what waterboarding really happens to be is a war crime.
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In Bush’s recently released memoir, he writes about the “choice between security and values†being real. He writes about consulting with “CIA experts†on “interrogation techniques.†A legal review was conducted and an “enhanced interrogation program†that “complied with the Constitution and all applicable laws, including those that ban torture†was created. The technique of waterboarding was deemed by the CIA to do “no lasting harm.â€
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Matt Lauer, a host on "The Today Show," recently interviewed Bush and asked why he thought waterboarding was legal. Bush answered, “Because the lawyer said it was legal…He said it did not fall within the Anti-Torture Act. I'm not a lawyer. But you gotta trust the judgment of people around you, and I do."

The lawyers around Bush --- people like David S. Addington, John Ashcroft, Jay Bybee, Steven G. Bradbury, Douglas J. Feith, Timothy E. Flanigan, William J. Haynes II, and John Yoo --- did tell Bush it was legal. They specifically crafted a legal justification for torture so the Bush Administration could get away with committing war crimes. As reported by Jason Leopold, Bush’s lawyers “hastily drafted†legal opinions after one prisoner had already been subjected to waterboarding and “violated ethical standards by collaborating with senior White House officials to create legal cover for violating anti-torture and other federal statutes after the fact, rather than providing objective advice for future actions.
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Georgetown University Law Professor Jonathan Turley, who has appeared on MSNBC shows like "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" wrote a column in May of 2009 that discussed the case for prosecuting war crimes committed by the Bush Administration. He outlined how the “status of waterboarding as torture was established by the United States.†Maj. Edwin F. Glenn, who used waterboarding in the Philippines in 1898, argued waterboarding was “justified under the necessities†but those arguments were rejected. Maj. Glenn was “court-martialed and convicted of the crime of torture.â€
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Turley also outlines how “torture is a war crime.†It is a crime under Torture Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2340. Torture is expressly prohibited by the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, a “binding law†that President Reagan signed.
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Bush and lawyers who were involved in granting permission for torture of detainees like Abu Zubaydah would like Americans to believe the country could have been attacked if waterboarding had not been ordered. The Washington Post reported in March of 2009 the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah “foiled no plots."
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They’d also like Americans to believe that plots at Heathrow Airport and Canary Wharf in London were “foiled†thanks to waterboarding. But, a former British intelligence chairman told BBC Radio 4 Today that he doubted torture “actually produced information which was instrumental in preventing those plots coming to fruition.â€
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In his book, Bush claims the U.S. was able to capture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed because Zubaydah was waterboarded. Yet, if that’s really true, why do so many military and defense experts claim torture doesn’t work?
It’s less likely that Zubaydah gave the military any new information and much more likely that interrogators asked something like, “Is Mohammed in Rawalpindi, Pakistan? Is he?†And, when he wanted the waterboarding to stop, he nodded “yes†and the interrogators determined that was a good enough confirmation that intelligence tips they had were correct and then forces moved in and captured Mohammed.
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And, Bush’s answer of “damn right†to Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, when he asked if he had permission to use waterboarding on Mohammed, is just another bitter indication that Bush did not think his Administration needed to adhere to international law.
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Fortunately for Bush, Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, despite being briefed on the use of waterboarding in 2002, did not think the Administration needed to be pressed on its committing of war crimes. In fact, the briefing’s only objection was reportedly that some members wondered if the torture technique had been “harsh enough.â€
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The Obama Administration has effectively decriminalized waterboarding, torture, or war crimes by refusing to have the Department of Justice investigate or prosecute former Bush Administration officials who now boast openly about their involvement in committing war crimes. Advocacy groups have tried to have the lawyers involved in creating legal justification for torture disbarred but, given the lack of interest in following the country’s obligation to investigate and prosecute war crimes, the groups have been unsuccessful (perhaps, having their attempt to defend the rule of law labeled "left wing" by publications like the New York Times has something to do with their lack of success).
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This is not "24." War crimes were determined long ago to be actions that should lead to punishment. Bush himself said when he was president, "War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, ‘I was just following orders.’"
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So, in that case, Attorney General Eric Holder, there is work to be done --- work that will hopefully restore the integrity and moral standing of America.
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Comments: 40
As a minor detail, however, Ashcroft was not on board with the torture deal. I recall the reports at the time as saying Cheney visited Ashcroft in the hospital hoping to catch him in a moment of weakness, but Ashcroft, to his credit, refused to provide the authorization.
So Cheney trotted over to Justice the next day and got Yoo to give him the initial opinion allowing torture. Ashcroft subsequently began referring to Yoo as "Dr. Yes."
The ultimate authorization out of Justice defined the allowable procedures as anything that didn't cause the loss of an organ or death. Of course you don't have to be a lawyer to realize how ridiculous that is but Bush, not being a lawyer, is asking us to believe he just locked up his common sense in a suitcase somewhere.
Bush also told Lauer he was just doing his job of protecting the American people. What kind of mark would you give him in that regard?
Suddenly, it seems to me that torture is alike SM. It's a mental illness and fits into less developed some civilizations as it shows a lack of respect which has always its roots within oneself.
China invented the worse ones and Yoo seems to have the genes.
Te Gestapo, the Argentinian colonels, Franco, Japs, Stalin, Abu Ghraib, etc. and the list will never end.
GWB keeps inventing reality as when he stated that tortures helped to save Heathrow airport. The British, as I reported yesterday, deny this stating that Mohammed has been arrested a month after the threat.
GWB tries to justify himself because he realize how much he sent USA backwards: The Blix report stated, without any doubt, that WMD were not existing and the team did everything in order to get rid of Blix.
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Not a widely used procedure and looks like it was done only for the elite terrorists.
This Bush book was a great thing for leftists! It keeps their mind off the last election and lets them vent more about their Bush Derangement Syndrome.
This is the real worry.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/10/ig-report-shows-obama-wh-rewrote-gulf-spill-report-to-support-moratorium/
It seems the book has more than one lie in it.
We used other methods on everyone but three top people who had important information, that is discretion.
And, it's good to know we have the wherewithal to know when it is the right and wrong time to commit a war crime.
Second, Al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced information that allowed the U.S government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles in 2002 after being subjected to water boarding.
Even the Justice department report under Obama said the only question remained whether this information could have even been obtained through other means. They did try first and he would only tell them "You will know soon."
First, FBI Director Mueller was asked by Vanity Fair writer David Rose if he knew of any instance where any terrorist attacks had been thwarted as a result of waterboarding or other forms of torture. He said, "I don’t believe that has been the case.â€
Also, Ali H. Soufan, an FBI agent from 1997 to 2005, penned an op-ed for the New York Times where he explained:
"Supporters of the enhanced interrogation techniques have jumped from claim to claim about their usefulness. They have asserted, for example, that harsh treatment led Mr. Mohammed to reveal the plot to attack the Library Tower in Los Angeles. But that plot was thwarted in 2002, and Mr. Mohammed was not arrested until 2003. Recently, interviews with unnamed sources led The Washington Post to report that harsh techniques turned Mr. Mohammed into an intelligence “asset.â€
This latest claim will come as news to Mr. Mohammed’s prosecutors, to his fellow detainees (whom he instructed, at his arraignment, not to cooperate with the United States) and indeed to Mr. Mohammed himself. He told the International Committee of the Red Cross that “I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear.â€
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But, lets just be really clear. Would you rather have thousands of Americans killed or the mild inconvenience of a terrorists who does not follow any of the laws of warfare?
Yes, the CIA has friction between the FBI. I guess if that source doesn't pass your smell test I can find another source proving that KSM didn't help foil any plots after being tortured.
The practice doesn't work. And, I'm not going to choose between Americans dying or a terrorist being, as you put it, "inconvenienced." The whole idea of a ticking time bomb scenario is some right wing Jack Bauer fantasy. Homeland Security, the FBI, and the CIA have ample tools at their fingertips and should never need to torture anyone to keep anyone safe.