Watching a DVD called "Restoration' last night got me trying to recall the place of the Puritan's in history and where all this mis-guided hate, bigotry and intolerance, oh, and total lack of joy comes from in today's so-called christian societies.
Now, before you get your knickers in a twist, let me say, I am not anti-God or faith. I am against these cultish beliefs a lot of these Fundamentalists have and their trying to govern everyone around them, ultimately trying to control governments and world policy.
That out of the way, the Puritan's, the ones who left England to pursue their radical brand of religion after the evil Oliver Cromwell died and the aftermath of the English Civil War subsided and let the monarchy be restored, with Charles II in about 1660,Cromwell's son Richard didn't have the confidence of the Army and so the plot failed.
These Puritan's (yes the Plymouth Rock guys) who got fed turkey and all the fixin's by the Native Americans (Indians) indigenous to this country, then wiped them out through intolerance and disease, those Puritan's.
It seems as though the descendents of these religious fanatics have 'kept the faith' and twisted history to suit.
Have a look at some of the dastardly deeds these 'forefathers' got up to and see if you still want to say your family came over on the Mayflower!
Happy Thanksgiving!
The Puritans' "Christian" Agenda?
One of the opinions most persistently and widely held among American evangelicals today is that America had essentially Christian origins. They rest heavily on an appeal to the Puritan heritage as the most influential Reformation tradition shaping American culture. If it were shown that the Puritans who settled America did not establish truly Christian cultural principles that were in some important ways perpetuated, then a strong suspicion might be raised that the entire case for a now-lost Christian America rests on rather nebulous foundations.
The fact is, the Puritans were the forerunners of today's Kingdom/Dominion/Reconstructionist teaching. The Puritans believed that they were carrying to America true Christianity as decreed by God, especially as written in the Old Testament. They believed too that they were on a divine mission to America, a place specially appointed by God to be the "New Israel," a theocratic "city upon a hill."
John Winthrop, the first governor of Massachusetts Bay, assumed that he could transfer the principles of nationhood found in ancient Israel to the Massachusetts Bay Company with no need for explanation. This led the Puritans to interpret Scripture in an ultimately pretentious way that gave their own state and society the exalted status of a New Israel. Old Testament law was directly, if not exclusively, incorporated into the legal systems of New England. The Massachusetts "Body of Liberties" of 1641 stated that "if any man after legal conviction shall have or worship any other god, but the lord god, he shall be put to death." Death was also prescribed for witchcraft, blasphemy, murder, sodomy, homosexuality, adultery, and kidnapping. Old Testament texts were copied directly into the New England law books. The most notorious cases of major miscarriage of justice in New England were the Salem witchcraft executions.
The Puritans viewed themselves as God's special people, replacing national Israel. Nowhere do the dangers of this assumption become more clear than in the Puritans' treatment of the native Americans. Since the Puritans considered themselves God's chosen people, they concluded that they had the right to take the land from the heathen Indians. The American Indians were the "new Canaanites" in America's "Promised Land." The fruit of Puritan theology was brutal. They saw their mission as convert these "Canaanites" to Christianity; failing that, it was acceptable to slaughter them in the name of Christ.
For example, the Puritan massacres of the Pequot Indian tribe on May 26, 1637, and again on July 14, 1637, were deemed by the Puritans to be directed by God -- Captain John Mason declared, "God laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies" (Segal and Stinenback, Puritans, Indians, and Manifest Destiny, pp. 111-112, 134-135). Converting the pagans for God was acceptable to the Puritans, but killing the pagans for the Lord was also acceptable!
Defenders of the Puritans claim that it was the hostility of the Pequots that led to their unfortunate demise. But the Pequots were one of the most tranquil tribes in New England. History reveals that their "hostility" did not manifest itself until they were hunted like animals. For argument sake, let's say that the Pequots were the instigators of hostilities, virtual savages if you will (which they were not). Does this justify hunting them down, slaughtering the men, women, and children in their sleep, and then doing it again six weeks later to finish the job!? (Not exactly "battlefield" victories!) Moreover, the Puritans claimed it was in obedience to God that these pagans were slaughtered!
Here the reasoning of the Puritans defies logic and a sense of common decency, let alone Christian principles. Captain John Underhill also wrote of the Pequot slaughter: "Sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents ... We have sufficient light from the Word of God for our proceedings." What an incredible testimony for one claiming to be a Christian!
There is a book titled NEW ENGLAND FRONTIER: Puritans and Indians 1620-1675 by Alden T. Vaughan. It was originally published in 1965 (Little Brown & Company, Boston/Toronto), and revised as recently as 1995. Vaughan, an admitted friend of the Puritan colony, makes a well documented case for the efforts of the Pilgrims (Separatists) and early Puritans to win the Indians to Christ. The book contains three chapters detailing the Puritans successful missionary endeavors during those early years. For example, the first Bible printed in the Western world was the Indian Algonquin Scripture. Harvard University (1636) was founded not only to train whites to become ministers of the Gospel, but there was also for a time a training program for young Indian men to minister to their people. At least six Boston area communities, thriving today, were started by Christian Indians. The famous island, Martha's Vineyard, once was the site of Indian Christian congregations through the missionary endeavors of the Mayhew family. Dartmouth University had its beginning through the efforts of a Connecticut Puritan to train Indian young men to preach the Gospel.
But Vaughan's book also reveals just how brutal the Puritans were in their dealings with the Indians -- specifically, Chapter V, "The Pequot War, 1637." What is amazing about the account in this chapter is the frankness with which the author recounts the events and the Puritans part in them. The carnage and the Puritan justification for participation therein is quite revealing -- self-defense is one thing, but outright purposeful slaughter is, to say the least, questionable Christian behavior (from 1965 edition):
(1) pp. 127-128 -- The so-called Christian response of "merciless revenge" was carried out "vigorously" by Captain John Endicott -- "Dissatisfied by the paucity of Indian casualties, the English soldiers heartlessly 'destroyed some of their dogs instead of men.'";
(2) pp. 132, 141 -- The Puritans demanded and accepted, as signs of loyalty and sincerity from allied Indian tribes, the body parts of their common enemies (see also p. 142, where the Puritans viewed these indications of loyalty as a sign from God and an answer to prayer);
(3) p. 143 -- When embarking on an expedition of Indian hunting, the Puritans entreated the Lord to direct them in their pillage and slaughter;
(4) p. 136 -- Concerning the Indians, the Puritans viewed themselves as the enforcers of "law and order" due to their view of themselves as God's "New World Zion," a reconstructionist view of history, to say the least (see also p. 138, where the Indians are viewed as "Satan's horde," thus justifying their slaughter);
(5) p. 141 -- The Puritans were not content to merely kill their perceived enemies; they saw fit to murder and savagely mutilate them -- they literally "tore him [a captured Pequot] limb from limb. Captain Underhill ended the victim's agony with a pistol shot. The body was then roasted and eaten by the Mohegans.";
(6) pp. 144-145 -- In one of the Pequot massaquers of 1637, not only was the Indian village set on fire, those men, women, and children not fortunate enough to be burned to death were gunned down as they tried to escape the flames. Captain Mason "gave full credit to God" for the slaughter, while Captain Underhill claimed the Pequots had sinned against God and man, and thus, "We had sufficient light from the word of God for our proceedings"!
(7) p. 148 -- Not content to take prisoners, the Puritans "exterminate[d] the remnant"; those they were unable to capture themselves, they delegated the killing to civilians, requiring the heads of the targeted Indians as evidence of their deaths (see also p. 149);
(8) p. 150 -- Pequots not slaughtered were taken captive and sold into slavery to friendly Indian tribes.
Some teach that one cannot know the motives of the Puritans nor judge their hearts. But the Puritan's own words and actions are devastating to their claims of practicing Biblical Christianity. This we can judge (John 7:24). The Bible is clear that one's actions are an indication of heart condition. It is difficult to imagine what could be going on in the hearts of a professing Christian people that would drive them to murder other human beings, and then claim that God directed them to do it!
The actions of the Puritans toward the Indians are an excellent indication of how reconstructionist eschatology will lead one into ungodly behavior -- one's eschatology will always affect one's worldview. The Puritans misguided view of God's calling for them led them into a worldview alien to that of the apostle Paul's -- i.e., to be sojourners and peacemakers.
With this information, I think a lot of these bigoted people whould be run out of this country the way we did with them in England!
But that is just my view.
It really is a shamful heritage these so-called Patriots eschew.
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You are predictable and boorish in your hatred of all things christian, even as you suggest you have nothing against christians, just the "cultish" christians. what a LAUGH....
Let's start with the MOVIE "Restoration" -- shall we ?? Are you SOOOOOOOOO naive as to believe a WORK OF FICTION represents "history?" This is JUST A MOVIE and for you to suggest it has ANY bearing on "history" is a perversion of the facts.
In addition-- the copy and paste job you did--- after you say "happy thanksgiving" is a word for word, plagiarized, unsourced, uncredited OPINION piece from a "homepage" by some christian hater just like YOU ! ! ! His name is J. Beard and he has posted his diatribe in a folder on his website called "psychology."
Wow, a shrink that believes faith is a mental illness, what a SHOCK ! ! ! *ROFL*
Lastly, the guy J. Beard places HIS faith in, is none other than Alden T Vaughan, a well known christian hater, who's written several books about the "racists" that founded this great nation.
Vaughan is a professor at, *GASP* Columbia University in New York City--- wow, another shocker, a confirmed liberal lunatic that doesn't believe in G-d and looks down his nose at anyone that does believe in G-d. (I wonder how Vaughan feels about Columbia University's origins in the "Great Awakening?")
I looked over the first page listing your "posts," and guess what I found ???
The Puritan's (forerunners of today's Christian Fundamentalists) were not very nice either!
Plain & Simple: If You Believe In Creationism Over Evolution, You Are So Very Wrong.
Fundamentalism is a mental disease
Why Is America So Stupid?and the Continuing war on Christian Fundamentalists and the end of Rationality
Another Channelled message from Mary Magdalene
Out of 20 articles on the first page of your posts, a full 25% (5 out of 20) contain hate filled rhetoric designed in a futile attempt to denigrate that which you do not understand.
Yet, on the very same page of 20 articles, there are another 3 articles suggesting you believe in A) astrology-- The Key is In the Planets --
and B) aliens from another planet--- The Arcturian Corridor, Downloading the language of the Lightworkers (here is the homepage for the "lightworkers" --- if this isn't a CULT I don't know what is.....)
and finally--- C) interdimensional intergalactic beings *ROFL* The Hathors Message to get through this chaotic event with joy and appreciation--- ANOTHER CULT *ROFL* ( who are the hathors )
So, it's quite clear, YOU are a freakin' NUTJOB that hates christians, denouncing them as cultists, while YOU YOURSELF BELIEVE IN CULTS *ROFL*
What a HYPOCRITE you are......
and a PATHETIC hypocrite to boot......
that's why we have reservations even today..... *rolling my eyes*
Did the immigrants to this country KNOW with FORETHOUGHT they would bring disease to this country unfamiliar to the so called "natives" ??? *ROFL*
the very idea there are "native" people to the NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT is ABSURD ! ! ! !
EVERYONE, at one time or another, migrated to the north american continent....
And the greatest "treasure" that was found in this area according to Columbus? The young indian girls that were forced into sex slavery when sold in Spain and Portugal.
It certainly was NOT the "puritans" that gave the small pox blankies to the so called "natives."
I am from a show business family
Big freakin' deal, what does that prove and how does it make you an "expert" on this topic ??? *chuckle*
just because I shatter your complacent beliefs
You "shattered" nothing, what an arrogant statement to make, like most of your other stupid stuff.
The American Indian are an indigenous people, most likely they crossed over the Bering Straits before the sea covered them, then moved down through the Alaskan and canadian territories
See how stupid you are ?? You contradict yourself in the same sentence. First you say they are "indigenous" then you say they migrated here. DUH ! ! !
Make up your stupid mind...
Don't try to discredit me
I not only tried, I did so quite easily.
I put the truth out
The truth according to the hathors and the light freak people ??? *ROFL*
I find many views, the ones you tried to deride) interesting and worthy of exploration
which is exactly why you're an idiot....
The bible is out-dated
Prove that stupid comment if you can....
we have EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE about freud from contemporaries in the field---
what theological experts suggest the bible is "outdated" ???
unless you read Aramaic
that's what men and women of the cloth are for, moron....
You are the whack job
I know you are but what am I *ROFL*
you can't even defend your cultish beliefs ! ! ! !
Jack, you need to remove yourself!
Jack, aren't you the finger pointer! Jealous?
I am not the nut job. I have been turned-off of religion by you and your ilk, i used to even make it to midnight mass on Xmas, but the congregations are unfriendly people, with no real faith, just a feeling of strength in numbers! It is a waste of time. I was attacked for my esoteric studies early on here on Gather, and so set out to prove them fanatical and wrong in their fervent beliefs. I did not plagerize the above post, I had seen the film Restoration and it had rekindled my interest in this time in history. I woek in the film business (if you had bothered to peruse any ohter of my 22 pages of posts, you sould see I am from a show business family and have dabbled in the art myself. ) just because I shatter your complacent beliefs and disrupt your denial about what a sorry bunch of people live in this country, and world, don't go off on me!
white slave owners never got over not being able to keep persecuting different races. The American Indian are an indigenous people, most likely they crossed over the Bering Straits before the sea covered them, then moved down through the Alaskan and canadian territories (remember, your poster girl Sarah Palin? She could see Russia from her front porch!) Well, it is pre-history so they are counted as the indigenous race and ANYONE who came here by ship was usurpers.
Don't try to discredit me, as it will not work, I put the truth out for all to look at and accept or deny. I find many views, the ones you tried to deride) interesting and worthy of exploration.
The bible is out-dated, more so than Frued, and if you follow those precepts you are reading a bad translation of a fairy tale book. unless you read Aramaic? So, make up your mind, the Bible is outdated so everything is also outdated or everything is outdated bUT the Bible.
I care absolutely not at all what Jack thinks! With hateful diatribe the only way he knows to get a point across, I don't waste my time giving his point of view any credence at all. Get yourself stuffed, Jack!
This post is a ligitimate point of view and historically correct, as anyone who has read the history of the Puritans knows.
who are you graham cracker ??? *double chuckle*
I respectfully ask you to leave my posts and keep your schoolyard comments to yourself, it detracts from some sort of sembalance of a discussion here.
YOu remind me of the "Cheetah" guy I just disconnected from, just a hatred of themselves showing.
I don't speak in tongues, I'm not a charismatic or evangelical, hell, I don't even go to church.
I simply reject the idea that christians are "cultists"--- particularly coming from some idiot that believes in REAL cults like the "Hathors," "lightworkers" and astrology nutjobs......
The may be a small majority, but look at the power they have in this country. Just one--the Baptists are quite powerful.
dolt....
Ronnie Reagan, a friend (actor) of my parents, he came over to London during the war, a Helen gahagin Democrat at the time. He also couldn't get behind rationing and my dad saw him slipping slices of turkey and roast beef into his jacket pockets!
Yet she has no bases from which to determine what is right or wrong.
The following seems to be her own religious creed:
1. Rules are unspoken....variables that are neither right nor wrong.
2. Rules are made to be broken, bent and changed to suit your living conditions.
3. The Golden Rule must be followed at all times except when dealing with the unborn or Evangelical and Fundamental Christians then refer to rule #2.
4. Wrong is when you are intolerant of others. Unless of course you are intolerant of Christian Evangelicals and Fundamentalists then that's a virture that makes us better people.
5. Don't define words like better, right, wrong, or reality because if we did we would create a bench mark that we would be accountable to and our hypocrisy and bigotry would be exposed.
6. Rules can be added or removed at anytime without notice depending on how I feel.
Youare so annoying it is pitiful. NO ONE believes as your kind do. NO oNE!