My View of Homosexuality

In most ways I agree.
I have had several good friends who were gay, of both genders. They were the best friends because of the reasons you stated. No jealousy, real friends.
The part that gets me is that some gays seem to want everyone to know they're gay... that's the part I don't understand. I mean most straights don't go around advertising they're straight.
And some of the garish, blatant displays of their sexuality????
Just my opinion to add to yours.

The scripture that hits me right now is one that goes something like this: "It is ashame to speak of those things done in the dark between husband and wife."

I would think the same applied to the homosexual population.

And I honestly think when people continually reject the words and commandments of God, they receive a reprobate mind in which they no longer can discern right from wrong about most anything. I think this is why so many gays think what they are doing is alright in the eyes of God, but truly it is just that their eyes have become blinded to the truths of God, their mind has been darkened to the truths of God, they can no longer hear what God softly speaks to them because they have turned away from it so many times that the reprobate mind tells them now "it's okay, really do whatever you want with your body, it is a mistake that you born male or female. God don't make such mistakes as this. People make mistakes. God is not capable of doing wrong to any human being, so it must be the devil who is responsible for telling people their birth gender was actually a mistake of God, sounds just like something the devil could come up with being as intelligent as he is.

As for me, I am trying my best to work out my own salvation. LIfe eternal is more important to me than physical pleasure of any kind.

So Connie, you think speaking of sex (hetero or homo) is shameful, or you think the Bible says so, and therefore it must be.

And regarding the Ten Commandments, I'd bet you have rejected those as well. Have you ever done work on the Sabbath? That's one of the Ten Commandments that carries a Biblical penalty of death. And what about if a parent were to abuse a child and that child should curse their parent as a result? That's another of the Ten Commandments that carries the Biblical penalty of death. Judge not...

"I mean most straights don't go around advertising they're straight."

Yes, actually, they do. You just don't notice because it is more prevalent and therefore doesn't really register on one's consciousness as a sexual avowal.
Straights shout their sexuality to the world the moment they lovingly take the hand of the opposite sex in public, or place a quick peck on the cheek, or just 'talk cute' to eachother.

The next time your mate touches you intimately in public, you are advertising your sexuality. You simply don't normally think of it that way.

You DO notice it when gays do it. They aren't "forcing" their sexuality on anyone, any more than heteros do.

And heteros are just as guilty of displaying "some of the garish, blatant displays of sexuality"as gays are. Just take a look around WalMart the next time you're there.

You are so right! I never thought of it like that.
And some straights do go 'over the edge' with public displays.
I will think twice before making that comment again.
Thank you for giving me a different insight. See we can all still learn.

And we can all speak civilly on the subject, whether or not we end up agreeing on points. I only get viral when the attitudes I'm responding to are.

This was a nice change.

You explained your observations so well, I could see it immediately.

Gays are just people.

If one re-reads Leviticus, we find that we are all mentioned and condemned there in one way or another--eaten a ham sandwich lately? Why homosexuals are singled out amazes me. How many have actually read Leviticus?

One of my best friends in high school was also a gay guy. Boy did he get teased back then. He was also one of the best basketball players, and he took the teasing in stride.

We also had a wonderful family friend - actually the piano teacher for both of my sisters - who was gay. We were close to him and knew he was gay, but it wasn't something we all talked about. When his mom died, my parents went to her funeral. After that, my folks always invited him to family get-togethers. Mom told him he could bring a date, and he hemmed and hawed and finally told her that his date would be another man. She said, "Yeah, so?"

Interesting that you should post this now. This morning I was chatting with a friend about this very thing. She asked me why, when I lived in FL near Disney, that I and other parents got bent out of shape about Gay Day at Disney.

I told her that when it started, there weren't enough gays to fill up the park, so Disney wasn't advertising it that well. And a family could drive for 1000 miles only to find thousands of gays showing a public display of affection. And I told her that I didn't care if people were gay or straight, they should keep the slobbering all over each other and fondling for their own house, not in public. I think that's what bothers me the most. Public displays. And parades. About what you do in the bedroom?

It all began with my love of all human kind when I was very young. My grandmother had a gay guy neighbor and friend, come over to her house every week. We saw and talked to him all the time.
I knew from the get go that he was not straight. (he wore very short shorts, pink T-shirts) and he definitely was very nice and very smart.
From that time on, my grandmother taught me you love someone as you do yourself. So, if you hate someone, you're hating yourself.

You said it in such simple terms, but all is true.

What continues to grieve me is how my own background of church, family and friends seem to think they can say whatever in this world to or about people that they perceive as "sinners," and crowd together in groups against "sinners" and act as if their behavior is justified just because they say someone else is a "sinner." Their words and actions toward people they perceive as "sinners" is clearly words and actions of hatred.

My own mother who has claimed Christianity all her life is one of the worst in the bunch.

I just don't get it.

I do believe homosexuality is sin just as people who hates anyone who claims to be or who does any other type of sin. They are all sinners. None is any better than the other.

If Jesus came back today, I know for sure he would only find a "few" who are actually keeping his commandments as he means for them to be kept, there would only be a few elect, just like when Job was on earth and he was found to be the most righteous man alive during his time. There was not thousands of Jobs, but only one Job. And just as Noah was found to be righteous in his time.

True Christians, the true elect of God is a number that is extremely FEW. I rather be in that group than any other and it requires me to continually look past the sins I have learned is sin, to love others regardless of how I perceive their behaviors to be, and to allow Jesus to decide upon all these extremely tough issues. My life is tough enough trying to figure out how to be one in that number of the elect. I don't have time to try and decide for the rest of the population. This is a job meant only for Jesus and God the father in heaven. My job is only to love everybody as Jesus has loved me and everybody else. This is the missing piece to the puzzel of all our lifes, that ability to love others as Jesus loved us.

I worry about Christian, or any religion where people decide to judge others. Even those on here, who tell me how to think. It's wrong to judge others for what they believe.

Whatever.

I worry about myself and try to love others. The judgment part is up to God.

That's the truth.

I'm a Christian too but I believe the Love One Another trumps all else as well as the commandment to love God. I'm a New Testament kind of girl.

Love is love-and no one should try to take the love of two people away. Nor should one be judged by humans for whom they love.

God loves all people, and as you said, he wants us to hate sin, so, we should hate all sin equally, as the bible says, not pick and choose for our own pleasure.

Life is too short, and there is too much struggle for one to not be with the one true love that they find.

Let us learn to love, not hae, let us learn to accept, not condemn, let us believe, not reject, and let us all be whom we are supposed to be.....................

All God's children are loved by Him and it grieves him for us to be judgemental. On that score, I'm not innocent, but I don't hate anyone for their beliefs.

I didn't mean to turn this into a religious debate. And now that I think about it, those I mentioned as being my friends that were gay - I don't even know if they actually were. People said they were, but I never asked, it didn't matter... they were just my friends.
As for someone above stating:
'if Jesus came back today, I know for sure he would only find a "few" who are actually keeping his commandments as he means for them to be kept, there would only be a few elect, just like when Job was on earth and he was found to be the most righteous man alive during his time. There was not thousands of Jobs, but only one Job. And just as Noah was found to be righteous in his time.'
The commandments did not come from Jesus. They came from God. And they were handed down in the old testament, before Jesus was born.
It has been my understanding that when Jesus was crucified and arose, God made a new covenant with us. Jesus washed away all our sins. The one rule that seems to have been passed on was the do unto others rule.
Even tithing was an old testament rule. Most of us still accept it, and the ten commandments, but as was stated by someone above - breaking those rules, resulted in death in the old testament.
God doesn't interfere as much as in the old testament. I think he's giving us all just enough rope to hang ourselves.
But that's just my opinion.

I know Richie was "queer" and I could've cared less. We talked about everything but when he graduated high school, he became my hairdresser. He would scold me if he didn't like how I dressed or wore my hair. I just loved him. What a wonderful friend.

you said what you thought very well.

Thanks Mooch. Where ya been?

thanks for sharing your views..

I do not have any problems with homosexuals if you love someone you love them regardless of wether you are a female loving another female or male loving another male. Many of my friends are homosexuals and i love them all for who they are. certain circumstances can make it a bit more difficult to accept at first like if you find out your ex is gay after you spent over 4 years with them. Does that mean I have an issue with it: no it just means that it took me a bit to get used to the idea because I really never saw him in that way> I have experimented myself in the past and can say from experience that sometimes you just fall, it does not matter it just feels right.

Why does it seem like some of the most virulent opponents to gay marriage and anything else "gay", had "a friend in high school who was gay".

I find it hard to believe that this could be so when you continue to view them, treat them as if they were an alien species.
The very fact that you say "I have nothing against gays BUT.." tells me you don't understand, no matter if that "gay high school friend" was real or not.

It just sounds as questionable and disingenuous as "Some of my best friends are (insert appropriate minority topic of discussion).

Catt, we had this conversation on another post about Blacks and racism. Everyone knows someone who is Black and he/she is wonderful and a great friend, BUT-----

Most gays are not obviously gay. The fact is everyone knows many gays

That is so true. For years I hung around with one of my best friends and we had tons of fun and were goofy...five years later when I tried to fix him up, he looked at me funny and said, "I thought you knew I was gay"...I told him, I just thought he was my friend and never thought about his sexuality....he then asked if I was going to fix him up if I could fix him up with soandso....who I didn't know was gay either.
Boy, was that a clunk on my head...I never crushed on either of these guys, but alot of my females did. They were gorgeous! and I mean manly gorgeous!

what I meant by manly gorgeous btw is that one of them was a male stipper with a body that didn't quit...the other was a big jock, played semi-pro football...eeeeeekkkkk those bodies...growl, grrrrrrrrrrr

Mmm-hmm. Been there. My one off-limits object of lust was an insurance salesman. A serious James Dean look-alike, but older.

I had to train myself to think, "No different than looking at him as if he were a happily married man. Hands off the tush..." Brooooother....!!

You always have a few who will take things to extremes. Gay Pride parades are really about equal rights and not hiding your sexuality. Of course there are those that go WAY overboard with the dressing in barely there outfits and making out with their same gendered partner. Please recognize that these are the minority of people. Just as the Christians who espouse hatred and judge others are also a minority.
Perhaps you are more put off by the extremists at the gay pride parades than you are the parades themselves.

Unfortunately, the Old Brass in the military doesn't see it this way.