Everyone seems to be editing his or her MS right now. I hear crows of delight when three thousand words have been cut and cheers as the words continue falling “to the floor”. Odes are written to the insanity of it.
Then there is the other side. I hear groans; imagine the hair pulling, colorful metaphors mumbled under their breath. Swearing oaths of “I’m never gonna write again.” What do you mean I need to cut these beautiful words? I like these words. I can also envisage the deer in the headlight look when faced with the first 100k MS and contemplating the initial editing pass. The whole What, Where, and How in the Hell thing.
I know, as a new writer facing my first edit, I was paralyzed. I had no idea what to do or how to do it. Fortunately, there are Wombats with plenty of experience that eased me into it and before long I knew what to look for and mostly how to go about it.
So, for all you experienced slashers out there, chime in with your expertise. When the novel is finished and you’re considering your first edit of the MS, what’s the first thing you do?
Besides go to the liquor cabinet.


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I may be scarce for a bit. My best friend lost her mom this morning, a week before she was to come over for the winter from Germany. I was very close to her mom too. I can't imagine not seeing her this year.
So sorry for your friend. Condolences to everyone.
Judi, you too.
I'm not slashing yet, on this WIP. I was worried that I wasn't going to have enough words to actually fill it up. (Which would be so out of character for me.) Then I made a list of the scenes I still hadn't written. Whoa. I'm gonna go over 100,000 if I'm not careful. And then I'll have to slash and burn plenty. But if I'm cautious with these last scenes, maybe I can write tight on the first draft and then not have to worry about cutting too much.
I have a sheet that I fill out after I read a scene so that I can track what happens in each scene so I can go back and add something if I find a note later on in the ms (to find it easily). My headers on this chart are:
POV, Chapter, Scene, Pages, What Happens
Obviously the last one is the biggest column. It's a BIG help when I get to chapter 33 and realize I needed to add an element much earlier in the story - I read through the chart and figure which scene it'd work best in, find the pages then go to them. I can also highlight on the chart where the romance progresses, i.e. First Meet, First "notice" each other, first kiss, subsequent kisses/physical contact, etc. The POV column allows me to make sure I'm giving each character enough of an arc through the story.
and now, back to it.
Anyone? Bueller?
I will say this. It's nice to get to an editing pass that doesn't involve basic grammar, punctuation, etc. I'm getting to "bigger" issues--action/reaction/resolution sequences, resolving bad writing habits (if I ever again use "thought", "and", "stopped", "paused", or "continued", kill me). I'm getting a clearer grip on my voice/style (I love deep POV, I suck at dialogue, and I tend to be a stage director, wanting to point out every time someone sits, stands, or crosses a room. I'm shocked I haven't written potty breaks into the thing. No, wait. First chapter, a character is returning from "nature's call". Never mind.)
First thing: put it away for a few weeks. Get away from it.
Next: dig out Snyder's "Save the Cat" and/or Vogler's "The Writer's Journey" and lay them next to the MS to get an idea of whether plot bits are in the best place. Then look over notes from McKee's "Story" and get to the details of scene structure.
Then toss out the "ly"s, saidisms, blah blah blah.
The first draft's for you. Get it out of your system, grammar and form be damned. Subsequent drafts are for your readers.
Good point on that Rand.
Phantasmagoria
Perfect title for the announcement Sia, "Slashing...cutting, blood and tears". Thanks. I'm a editing newbie or denialist as I like to call it. So I got no great tips, Judi's sound awesome though. I'm taking that down as the new primer.
What's the first thing I do to a first draft? Add 10,000 words to fill in gaps. It never fails.
Pat, your mother sounds like one of my grandmothers. She was such a hoot. What do you mean I'm supposed to wear mascara every time I go out? Hmm, eyeliner is enough isn't it?
Rand, my ribs are mad at you. They hurt from coughing. Your romp into DB-land wasn't nice. Laughing hurts dammit!
Judi, what Mer adventures have been left unexplored? WBU offers up visions of the mountain ranges, strange creatures and different climates under the sea.
On to the question. The first pass, for me, is about word choice, pov problems and flow. Once I've cleaned it up, so to speak, I send it off to some loving person who has volunteered as a beta reader.
I'm not overly wordy. At times I'm too sparse, so the dropping words normally isn't an issue. Finding the over use of phrases, words, connectors seems to be my focus lately. This is where a beta reader is an enormous help.
Being a beta reader is fun. Jamie, hint, hint. Cutting someone else's words? It's damned near as painful as cutting my own. This is someone's baby. What is their vision? Does this move the story forward or is it just fun? Are the questions I ask myself.
I have a doctors appointment tomorrow. For now I'm going to curl up in the lazy boy and try to find something to watch on TV. Over one hundred channels, why is it so hard to find something of interest to watch?
And I'm determined to finish Sed's Pariah this weekend. Though I'll need to do a first edit before it's fit for human consumption. (much unlike my 'hicken soup...)
For me, editing is both low level and high level. On my first MS, I went through several edit passes, mainly because I'd learned more about what I should be doing. The obvious things are getting rid of extraneous word choices, removing excess "he said, she said," and so on. Later, I looked at sentences and did re-writes on ones where the phrasing felt clumsy. I've also tried to remove passive voice sentences and minimize the "was" sentences in favor of more active verbs. Then there's the higher level issues, such as "does this scene work", "is there an important unexplained plot element or motivation" and so on. And yes, like Wendy, letting a Beta reader scan the ms with a fresh set of is very helpful.
For the next novel, I expect this process to be much more streamlined, since I've started with cleaner material.
And now, heading back home.
In the winter, we'd get together and do Glühwein and have marathon card games. I'd spend the weekend at those times. We did a lot of 'family' oriented things through out the winter and and several cookouts and whatnot up until mome left the end of May/beginning June. She tried, unsuccessfully, to teach me to make socks--sorry, no good at it. Mine tended to look like the person had one big foot and one small foot.
She'll be dearly missed.
Some of you are soooooo organized in your writing tasks. My hat's off to each of you.
I'm slowly coming around to the thought of spread sheets. Mine don't need to be deeply detailed, but I had someone go over one with me and the whys and how it made things easier overall (she's a real smart cookie, the down side is her deep love for spread sheets, lol). Of course the setting it up takes a bit...
I feel anyone's pain on cutting out words and even scenes. I had to cut about 7 chapters to just get to where the story began on one. I just put all those chapters in a dump files. Throw them away? Delete them? pfft, not on your life.
Wendy thanks for the suggestion, but I actually DON'T want to answer that one b/c the answer is books 4 and 5 if I get to write them. LOL.
Just got over a big hurdle in the ms. One I was dreading. Phew! Should be some smooth sailing (or magic carpet flying?) from here on out.
back to it.
Actually I try to read the MS from beginning to end and see how it holds up. THEN I start over.
Lacking that, I find a pool.
After all, everything's better with water and dogs, especially those doubts I always have about being able to write.
Yeah, dogs may have chasing-their-tail neuroses, but did you ever hear one complain about writer's block?
(Oh -- and usually I rewrite and edit as I'm writing. Then I rewrite again.)
Jamie, the hicken soup sounds heavenly, cough, wheeze, it does, but I'll have to pass for now. The chemical odor, even inferred, made my tummy queazy. Nap time.
Just found out Wild Blue Under started shipping two days ago. I should have my author copies soon.
*smiling
Wanda, I saw your message on the last thread about posting pictures of Mother's new eyebrows. Give me a few minutes to get some coffee and I'll put them up for you. They're actually kind of cool. Tiny "brushstroke" tattoos. But I need coffee first. The editing demons finally lost their grip and I went down for a three hour nap. You know what this means. Look for meandering, hyper messages from me around 4 AM.
Signed up for NaNo. Does that make me an official writing geek? And do I have to go to the write-ins? Sounds a little masochistic to me ...
Best part about this is I don't have to rake them up.
"Oh, Condo Life is the life for me!"
Wait, wait. Let me check the garage. Shovel. Ladder. Car. Hammer. Screwdriver.
Nope, no rake.
"Oh, Condo Life is the life for me!"
Judi, I've been keeping a notebook of floorplans for years. I'm taking most my ideas from houses built to be handicap accessible/friendly. With my grand ideas, it's a good thing I have a vacant acre. And I plan to have a xeriscape/rock garden yard. No critters, raking, or mowing. LOL!
OK, ok, I blew off lots of editing today. Soup is on the stove (potato/ham/cheese), laundry is in process, and I've run out of excuses. Later.
Hmm. This whole dark fiction thing happened to one of my friends when she was about the age I am now. I wasn't planning on this ...
Damn, I'm still trying to come up with something for Phantasmagoria. I somehow think I won't be allowed to gracefully sit on the side lines and just vote.
Different writers and copyists give her name variously as Nimue, Viviane, Elaine, Niniane, Nivian, Nyneve, Nimueh and other variations.
Lady of The Lake.
:-P
Wikipedia: Different writers and copyists give her name variously as Nimue, Viviane, Elaine, Niniane, Nivian, Nyneve, Nimueh and other variations. [1]
Yikes on the chopping off eyelids. Phantasmorgia worthy, indeed.
"A number of locations in Great Britain are traditionally associated with the Lady of the Lake's abode. They include Dozmary Pool, Llyn Llydaw, Llyn Ogwen, The Loe, Pomparles Bridge, Loch Arthur, and Aleines. In France, she is associated with the forest of Brocéliande."
Do you start to grow fungus like old trees? How long do your fingernails get? What do you wear underwater that doesn't rot after a few decades? Or how do you get out to buy new clothes?
Hmmm ....
Sigh. Will have to come up with a different reference...
So I forgot to write one love scene. It's at the end of my page count for the day, and frankly, I just don't have it in me (which doesn't bode well for poor Hubs tonight...) And no crude comments about the above line, please. This thread is not flagged.
Anyhoo, I decided to do a trade. One more chapter of tomorrow's page count tonight, then write the love scene in the morning. Sound like a fair trade? Then it's off to finishing this puppy up so a pair of Wombatti will get it over the weekend to get their chance at "Bloody Judi"-ing it.
Damn, this group is addictive.
*she cracks the whip
Back to resumes!
*CRACK!
Night 'bats. I did my blog post - I'm sure you'll see the inspiration when it airs after 3 am est. www.CasablancaAuthors.blogspot.com
Sweet dreams!
31 on the ACT!? Okay, sure. He is good at standardized tests. But a 31? *hyperventilates
Why do you care? You don't, but I thought I'd share anyway. And if you find me in fetal position in a corner, drooling and muttering FAFSA under my breath, you know why.
I suppose I should go get on the treadmill. I feel the need to sweat out a pound or so after examining the college "profile". Yikes!
Poor kid. He's been a teacher's kid for so long, he doesn't even realize that I'm a pain in the arse. But I know how to get him where he wants to go, so I guess that's a benefit. Right? Yeah. I also know how it feels to pay for student loans FOREVER, and I don't want that for him.
And several of my students tried to get into the pharm program after going to CCC. They had to retake most of their classes and basically wasted a year of schooling.
Yes, I do know something about this. Surprising as you may find that.
I got in some writing before heading to Yoga. And yes, it was a love scene. But only half. So I've got to finish that tonight. And eat dinner. Or can I just eat chocolate doughnuts? Maybe soup and cornbread. And then doughnuts.
Pat, I laughed about your mom and her eyebrows. Even cooler is that she emails at her age.
THE account of Merlin's disappearance from the world most often repeated is that he was imprisoned by the woman he loved after having taught her all the magic art that she desired to know. All the major versions in medieval literature, except the Vulgate Merlin Sequel, identify the woman in question as the Lady of the Lake,1 and all but the Prophecies de Merlin provide another name as well, written with several spellings that seem to be scribal variations of each other.2 It has become convenient to call the Lady of the Lake "Niniane" as she appears in the Vulgate Lancelot and the Suite du Merlin, "Viviane" in the Vulgate Sequel, and "Nymue" in Sir Thomas Malory's Le Morte Darthur.3 As the object of Merlin's fatal love the Lady of the Lake has achieved notoriety, but it is necessary to remind readers that she is by no means generally represented in medieval fiction as evil and that her place in Arthurian legend is not confined to being the cause of Merlin's disappear- ance. Malory's Nymue especially does not fit the label "wiley temptress" inevitably applied to Merlin's lover, and even more than her counterparts is worth being recognized in the fullness of the roles given her.
Additionally:
In the seven separate incidents using the name "Nymue," six also use the epithet, "damosel(s) of the lake," "Lady(ies) of the lake," or "chief lady of the lake." The phrases "one of" the damosels or ladies of the lake and also "chief lady" imply that there is someone in Le Morte Darthur besides Nymue known as "the Lady of the Lake," as indeed there is. This Lady of the Lake is the woman whom Arthur sees "goyng vpon the lake" (Bk. 1, ch. 25) where her sword Excalibur is held aloft by an emerging arm clothed in white samite. She gives Arthur Excalibur in exchange for his promise to fulfill a future request. A little later, in the tale of Balin, she comes to court to demand that Arthur keep his promise by decapitating either Balin or a certain damosel whose sword Balin has taken. Arthur rejects her request as unseemly, "I maye not graunte neyther of her hedes with my worship" (Bk. 2, ch. 3),
REgarding location:
Malory alone gives her the name "Lady of the Lake" and then takes pains to disassociate her from Nymue, perhaps as much because of Balin's accusation of falsity as because she has become a moribund character. It is easy to see why Malory, with his penchant for naming all characters, would have named the giver of Excalibur as he did. Although it is not her arm that thrusts Excalibur aloft here in a lake near Caerleon or that arises from a "water" to retrieve Excalibur later after the battle on Salisbury Plain, her dwelling place is apparently under or near the lake, for "within that lake is a roche / and theryn is as fayr a place as ony on erthe and rychely besene" (Bk. 1, ch. 25), and when Arthur sees her she is, of course, "goyng vpon the lake." Further, if Malory were already aware of the Dame du Lac as a personage in the French romances, it must have seemed appropriate to him to give her title to the source of Excalibur, Arthur's sign and implement of greatness...
Thank god for that, lol!
Why don't you grab a flashlight and check it out.
Here is another lesson for those of you who did ABNA, (actually it's the same lesson) -- Change your title! On the other hand, most of the reviews were favorable, so I'm not really griping, it's just that they are reviews for a different book.
Truly bizarre -- still no cover photo, still no blurb, not a single copy sold, but 20 customer reviews.
I owe reviews, too. Maybe we should have a Wombat review writing month -- WoReWriMo.
But not tonight. I'm cross-eyed. I think it's time for a caramel macchiato martini. Lovely dessert drink.
Hmmm, martini? I must have the recipe for that one.
The most words I ever deleted form a Novel, (Young Adult) was twenty thousand words. To this day, the Novel remains the same. Catchy Title, eh?
Time to turn in. See y'all tomorrow.