No, Scott, he's not right. Bashing Oprah for worshiping in her own way? The difference between he and she is-- she understands that God is not nearly as hateful/vengeful/ridiculous as he seems to think he is. God loves those who worship him by helping others. All He really asks of us to do the best we can and follow His examples. Oprah lives that everyday. It is sad he doesn't see that.
I'm full of love for those who love others without bashing them for being good human beings. His heart is about as open as Fort Knox.
I agree with what CJ is saying. just Sunday at our chruch our Preacher said that Oprah is a False Witness. I do believe this to be true. I do not watch her show and will not let her magaizine into my home.
Before Obama and these occultist, she played the "part" of a christian on national tv, only to bring in her 'flock'. This is usually how it is done, right? With any religion, even Harpo's...
And though I tend to make fun of the religious sect from time to time, I'm totally serious here. I never go to church. I worship in my own way. Show me in the bible where such a thing is wrong.
Tell me of any other 'prophet', which Jesus is not, He is the Son of God, who can claim He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and NO man comes to the Father but through Him (Jesus)?
I did not, I was on youtube last night and came across these videos of Oprah and just has to share them. But, before last night, I heard about Oprah being some New Age Follower on Dr Noah Hutchings Radio Program, SWRC. You can listen to the shows in April 23rd and 24th, 2008. It is indeed a shocker. But, I had stopped watching Oprah in 1996 when I moved to where I now live.
What do you mean, it shows? Because you, like me, are familiar with Jesus, God and the Bible? Look, not ever believer has to attend a church,but it is recommened for the fellowship with other believers. There is strength in numbers and prayer too.
I do go to Church. Here is her reply from up the page.
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Oct 13, 2009, 5:25pm EDT And though I tend to make fun of the religious sect from time to time, I'm totally serious here. I never go to church. I worship in my own way. Show me in the bible where such a thing is wrong.
A most repetitive child. Haven't you a cross to burn or a tea bag to cuddle up to? I'm serious and you're doing that I'm-Christian-so-the-fact-that-I'm-being-evil-is-of-no-consequence thing.
Go 'way. I'll beat you later when I'm in the mood. Begging is just sad.
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Oct 15, 2009, 4:40am EDT
"Stop being so queer"
It means odd. Sorry I don't know Ebonics."
That's just the most recent. But I suppose it doesn't count because you were forgiven your sins this past Sunday? I've heard that Christians do those "karma baths" ritually so that the evil they did all week doesn't count. That way, if you die on a Sunday night- instant heaven privileges!!
"Ebonics" is a language inasmuch as the average American Appalachian patois is. In other words-- ITS NOT A LANGUAGE.
People of linguistic sophistication don't legitimize it, especially in light of the fact that those who burn crosses are the staunchest users of the term.
No problem, though. I'm sure you've referenced that term for more than just black people on Gather, right?
It is, more likely than not, because the media, all mainstream media that is, happens to be on her side and agree with her.
If you listen to Christian Talk Radio, like I do, Dr Noah Hutchings on SWRC, April 23 and 24, 2008 show, you will learn things you will never, ever, ever, hear on Rockefeller owned radio stations and television stations. The Rockefellers own and control all things in the public media world. And we call it freedom of the press? Really?
I've been researching your passage, Monica, but its rather vague. Different people have wildly varied interpretations on what it is trying to say should be done.
oops I though she wanted to know if there are more verses John 14:6. There are more I just thought one of my commentaries from my library would help to understand. It's late and I'm so sleepy my mind shutting down )
No, that commentary is mind blowing and should awaken any non believer or cult follwer to who Jesus is why we follow Him. Where is that commentary from, Jon Coursen from Calvary Chapel?
Oh Scott, that is very nice, *blush*. Hey, I am just like any other Christian, prepared to share the love of Jesus and truth from the Bible to the many not well versed in Jesus. That is what we are supposed to do, right?
When we read John 14:6, it sounds like a very exclusive statement. "No one comes to the Father except through me." Does this statement mean what it seems to imply, that no one can be saved without Jesus? What about those who lived before Jesus? Are they all damned? This verse appears so out of place in our tolerant society in which we have learned to respect the beliefs of others. John 14:6 is one of those verses that are difficult not because we do not understand them but because we understand them all too well. It is the central verse of the whole section, John 14:1-11. It builds on the question of Thomas in the previous verse: "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jesus has told his disciples that he is going to his Father's house to prepare a place for them. Thomas is concerned about how they will get there to be with Jesus. This verse is Jesus' answer. It is followed by a discussion of who the Father is. In this verse Jesus speaks of himself as "the way, the truth and the life" (KJV). The emphasis is clearly on "the way," for that is the question that Thomas was asking. Jesus does not show or teach about the way; he is the way to the Father's house. He is the way, of course, because he is also the truth (a term found twenty-one times in John, beginning with the Logos passage [John 1:14, 17]) and the life (found thirty-nine times in John, beginning with John 1:4, but especially important in John 5:21-29 with reference to raising the dead). The concept of truth is what will lead us forward into the next section of the chapter, for it is his being full of grace and truth (John 1:14) that is connected to his being the full revelation of the Father on earth. Why did John, who admits that he had much more material than he included in his Gospel, put this material into his book? First, John includes a lot of discussion between Jesus and the Jews. The issue is whether Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament hopes or not. Jesus in the Gospel consistently indicates that he is that fulfillment and that he supersedes Jewish expressions of worship (for example, John 2:13-22, in which it is his body which is the true temple, and John 4:21-26, in which the presence of the Messiah, Jesus, makes both Jerusalem and Gerazim irrelevant). Thus John surely interprets this saying as indicating that the old ways of Jewish worship, good as they were ("salvation is from the Jews") will no longer do. A new era has dawned in Jesus and the way of salvation and life is through him. Second, this Gospel was written in a Gentile-dominated world. In that world there were many cults offering salvation and many saviors associated with those cults. Also part of that world was the idea that one need not be totally committed to any one cult. One "worshiped" the Roman deities, of course, for it was one's patriotic duty, much as Americans honor the American flag. And then there were the deities of one's city, trade guild (if one were an artisan) and clan. The various mystery religions and exotic cults (many of them with Eastern roots) were on top of all of this. In the Greco-Roman world there were many "ways," and while one selected what one felt was the best way, one also tried to keep all of the deities happy. It is obvious that Jesus' words in such a world are quite exclusive. There are no other ways to the Father, there is no other source of real life, there is no alternative source of truth. Jesus is the Logos incarnate. Thus he is the final revelation from God. He is the one to whom the Father has committed the resurrection of the dead (see John 11 as well as John 5). No one comes to the Father who does not come through him, for he is the way. John is certainly aware of this exclusive claim, for it repeats in different forms over and over again in the Gospel. It is also clear that the Gospel was written for people who do not yet believe, for that is clearly stated in the author's purpose statement: "But these are written that you may believe [the best manuscripts imply 'come to believe'] that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31). These people are probably not Jews, for otherwise he would not have presented "the Jews" in such a negative light. What John appears to be doing is telling his Gentile readers that none of their former ways to life will do. Jesus is the only way. John's Jesus may in fact be offensive to us, but this is part of the offense of classic Christianity. The belief that Jesus is the way to God is also presented in Acts 2 and 3 (to Jews) and Acts 17 (to Gentiles). 1 Peter, written to Gentiles, claims that the whole world will appear before God to be judged according to the standards Jesus gave (for example, 1 Peter 4). The author of Hebrews does not believe that there is any salvation for those who turn back to Judaism from Jesus. The whole New Testament teaches that Jesus is the exclusive way to God or eternal life (it uses a variety of terms for these concepts).
The issue, then, is not whether or not we like this claim, but whether or not it is true. The usual smokescreen is to say, "What about those who have never heard of Jesus?" The response to this is twofold: (1) there is a missionary imperative in the New Testament to minimize this problem (that is why, for example, Paul dedicates his life to preaching Jesus where he has not yet been preached) and (2) how God may choose to reveal himself or deal with those who have no human messenger is his business. If we know God's character, we can trust him to do his business well. Our problem is that we do know about Jesus and are living in a culture in which Jesus is all too well known. Furthermore, the missionary imperative falls to those of us who believe. If, then, this claim is true, two conclusions follow. First, we are deceiving ourselves if we think that we can come to God any other way than through Jesus. What is more, no other way will supplement or add to Jesus as the way. Second, if we are already following Jesus, we are called, in John's terms, to be witnesses to the truth and life found in Jesus.
Oh my Scott, that was explosive information. You definitely know the Bible and speak more like a philospher or an inductive bible student. Right now, I am doing a bible study on Esther. This bible story is something that could be sold in any bookstore for its intrigue and suspense. The most amazing thing about the book of Esther is, the name of God is not mentioned once, but He is instead assumed. The book of Esther reminds me of Joshua spying on Jerico. Esther, Haddassah (sp), was, for the most part, a spy and it was all on her to save the Jews from being killed by the hands of Xeres.
Scott, do you think Esther was a type and shadow of Jesus?
Philippians 3:18-19 (KJV) 18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Jesus has a sense of humor. In fact, the H is for Humorous!
Jesus (or at least what I understand him to be), is not concerned with the trappings, which is all you people seem to be concerned about. He's concerned with immortal souls.
Now please, quote some theological reference, I'm sure you've got a million of them.
Jim;
You've got to quit that. I've got green tea all over my monitor now.
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Bashing Oprah for worshiping in her own way? The difference between he and she is-- she understands that God is not nearly as hateful/vengeful/ridiculous as he seems to think he is. God loves those who worship him by helping others. All He really asks of us to do the best we can and follow His examples. Oprah lives that everyday. It is sad he doesn't see that.
I'm full of love for those who love others without bashing them for being good human beings. His heart is about as open as Fort Knox.
Oprah is a False Witness. I do believe this to be true.
I do not watch her show and will not let her magaizine into my home.
Why are you wasting electrons on these people?
And he says that Jesus blah blah blah is the only way!! Too bad all you non Christians!!
She broke free from the chains, again!
Silly women?!?!
Oh my! This man is a joke.
I mean, did he actually set down exactly how to worship or did that just get made up over the years according to each branch of the religion?
Seriously, what evidence is there that Oprah is wrong and this judgmental blowhard is right?
I never go to church. I worship in my own way. Show me in the bible where such a thing is wrong.
But I have another question: Show me where you spoke of this at any time on Gather BEFORE she showed up with Obama at the Olympic picks.
It Shows.
Wyoming Catt said I never go to church. I worship in my own way. and I said it shows.
I've watched you do that for months. Interesting fluctuations, to say the least...
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Oct 13, 2009, 5:25pm EDT
And though I tend to make fun of the religious sect from time to time, I'm totally serious here.
I never go to church. I worship in my own way. Show me in the bible where such a thing is wrong.
Haven't you a cross to burn or a tea bag to cuddle up to? I'm serious and you're doing that I'm-Christian-so-the-fact-that-I'm-being-evil-is-of-no-consequence thing.
Go 'way. I'll beat you later when I'm in the mood. Begging is just sad.
Lol I missed something too. I don't know if she is having wine tonight or what. She is not making sense.
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Oct 16, 2009, 1:30am EDT
Haven't you a cross to burn ???????
Lol You're playing the Race Card ?
Scott: Tsk, child. Why would you want to bring up race again? I'm starting to suspect jungle fever. Sorry, I don't play with children.
Also, I wouldn't keep talking to the boggart if I were you. I think its rabid.
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Oct 16, 2009, 2:29am EDT
would you want to bring up race again? ???????????
Do show link to my race comment.
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Oct 15, 2009, 4:40am EDT
"Stop being so queer"
It means odd. Sorry I don't know Ebonics."
That's just the most recent. But I suppose it doesn't count because you were forgiven your sins this past Sunday? I've heard that Christians do those "karma baths" ritually so that the evil they did all week doesn't count.
That way, if you die on a Sunday night- instant heaven privileges!!
"Ebonics" is a language inasmuch as the average American Appalachian patois is. In other words-- ITS NOT A LANGUAGE.
People of linguistic sophistication don't legitimize it, especially in light of the fact that those who burn crosses are the staunchest users of the term.
No problem, though. I'm sure you've referenced that term for more than just black people on Gather, right?
Oh?...... So Jesse Jackson was wrong a few years ago when he tried to get it legitimized?
If you listen to Christian Talk Radio, like I do, Dr Noah Hutchings on SWRC, April 23 and 24, 2008 show, you will learn things you will never, ever, ever, hear on Rockefeller owned radio stations and television stations. The Rockefellers own and control all things in the public media world. And we call it freedom of the press? Really?
Do you have more?
When we read John 14:6, it sounds like a very exclusive statement. "No one comes to the Father except through me." Does this statement mean what it seems to imply, that no one can be saved without Jesus? What about those who lived before Jesus? Are they all damned? This verse appears so out of place in our tolerant society in which we have learned to respect the beliefs of others.
John 14:6 is one of those verses that are difficult not because we do not understand them but because we understand them all too well. It is the central verse of the whole section, John 14:1-11. It builds on the question of Thomas in the previous verse: "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jesus has told his disciples that he is going to his Father's house to prepare a place for them. Thomas is concerned about how they will get there to be with Jesus. This verse is Jesus' answer. It is followed by a discussion of who the Father is.
In this verse Jesus speaks of himself as "the way, the truth and the life" (KJV). The emphasis is clearly on "the way," for that is the question that Thomas was asking. Jesus does not show or teach about the way; he is the way to the Father's house. He is the way, of course, because he is also the truth (a term found twenty-one times in John, beginning with the Logos passage [John 1:14, 17]) and the life (found thirty-nine times in John, beginning with John 1:4, but especially important in John 5:21-29 with reference to raising the dead). The concept of truth is what will lead us forward into the next section of the chapter, for it is his being full of grace and truth (John 1:14) that is connected to his being the full revelation of the Father on earth.
Why did John, who admits that he had much more material than he included in his Gospel, put this material into his book? First, John includes a lot of discussion between Jesus and the Jews. The issue is whether Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament hopes or not. Jesus in the Gospel consistently indicates that he is that fulfillment and that he supersedes Jewish expressions of worship (for example, John 2:13-22, in which it is his body which is the true temple, and John 4:21-26, in which the presence of the Messiah, Jesus, makes both Jerusalem and Gerazim irrelevant). Thus John surely interprets this saying as indicating that the old ways of Jewish worship, good as they were ("salvation is from the Jews") will no longer do. A new era has dawned in Jesus and the way of salvation and life is through him.
Second, this Gospel was written in a Gentile-dominated world. In that world there were many cults offering salvation and many saviors associated with those cults. Also part of that world was the idea that one need not be totally committed to any one cult. One "worshiped" the Roman deities, of course, for it was one's patriotic duty, much as Americans honor the American flag. And then there were the deities of one's city, trade guild (if one were an artisan) and clan. The various mystery religions and exotic cults (many of them with Eastern roots) were on top of all of this. In the Greco-Roman world there were many "ways," and while one selected what one felt was the best way, one also tried to keep all of the deities happy. It is obvious that Jesus' words in such a world are quite exclusive. There are no other ways to the Father, there is no other source of real life, there is no alternative source of truth. Jesus is the Logos incarnate. Thus he is the final revelation from God. He is the one to whom the Father has committed the resurrection of the dead (see John 11 as well as John 5). No one comes to the Father who does not come through him, for he is the way.
John is certainly aware of this exclusive claim, for it repeats in different forms over and over again in the Gospel. It is also clear that the Gospel was written for people who do not yet believe, for that is clearly stated in the author's purpose statement: "But these are written that you may believe [the best manuscripts imply 'come to believe'] that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31). These people are probably not Jews, for otherwise he would not have presented "the Jews" in such a negative light. What John appears to be doing is telling his Gentile readers that none of their former ways to life will do. Jesus is the only way.
John's Jesus may in fact be offensive to us, but this is part of the offense of classic Christianity. The belief that Jesus is the way to God is also presented in Acts 2 and 3 (to Jews) and Acts 17 (to Gentiles). 1 Peter, written to Gentiles, claims that the whole world will appear before God to be judged according to the standards Jesus gave (for example, 1 Peter 4). The author of Hebrews does not believe that there is any salvation for those who turn back to Judaism from Jesus. The whole New Testament teaches that Jesus is the exclusive way to God or eternal life (it uses a variety of terms for these concepts).
The issue, then, is not whether or not we like this claim, but whether or not it is true. The usual smokescreen is to say, "What about those who have never heard of Jesus?" The response to this is twofold: (1) there is a missionary imperative in the New Testament to minimize this problem (that is why, for example, Paul dedicates his life to preaching Jesus where he has not yet been preached) and (2) how God may choose to reveal himself or deal with those who have no human messenger is his business. If we know God's character, we can trust him to do his business well. Our problem is that we do know about Jesus and are living in a culture in which Jesus is all too well known. Furthermore, the missionary imperative falls to those of us who believe.
If, then, this claim is true, two conclusions follow. First, we are deceiving ourselves if we think that we can come to God any other way than through Jesus. What is more, no other way will supplement or add to Jesus as the way. Second, if we are already following Jesus, we are called, in John's terms, to be witnesses to the truth and life found in Jesus.
Hard Sayings of the Bible.
Scott, do you think Esther was a type and shadow of Jesus?
Philippians 3:18-19 (KJV)
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Jesus has a sense of humor. In fact, the H is for Humorous!
Jesus (or at least what I understand him to be), is not concerned with the trappings, which is all you people seem to be concerned about. He's concerned with immortal souls.
Now please, quote some theological reference, I'm sure you've got a million of them.
Jim;
You've got to quit that. I've got green tea all over my monitor now.
Monica C. Oct 19, 2009, 1:16am EDT
Ali, you think my adding the H in the middle, that does not offend Jesus?
Monica he is Troll. Just let him post. Don't waist time replying to him and his friend. ). Eventually they will go away.
I think you need to pray about your attitude. It's not very "christian".
Of all these people, I know you have a good heart.
It's ok, we don't have to agree on everything.