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by Wanda H.
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November 20, 2006

Conference, Seminar or Retreat? Which is best? - Wombats CCCXIX

October 05, 2009 07:43 PM EDT (Updated: October 06, 2009 04:10 PM EDT)
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I recently attended a Writer’s Conference locally. It was a one day event, not a participation conference but more of a lecture and presentation event. Also, of course, an event at which the presenters could sell their books. I attended three separate presentations, each given by an expert in their field: one a writer, one a publisher and the third an agent. I passed on other presentations: one from a poet and others dealing with the writing process in general.

What I learned from this conference was far short of what I’ve learned in the past 18 months following the Wombats and from writing on Gather in general. While it wasn’t a waste of money, well… maybe it was a waste of money but I wouldn’t have known that without attending. So, in the long run it wasn’t a waste because I did learn one important thing, to be much more watchful of what is offered at the next conference.

I plan to attend an event again one day, one that emphasizes a hands-on approach rather than a lecturing and listen approach. I learn better by doing than by listening to how others do, at least in an area of creativity.

I know a lot of you learned Wombats have attended conferences and seminars. Can you share some of the differences between conferences, seminars and any other gatherings of a writerly type? Which type do you prefer? Why?



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Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 4:14pm EDT
Come on over brunch is served. Fresh fruit, lovely bagels, cream cheese and other assorted tasties. The frig holds any drink you'd like and there's hot drinks on the buffett. Help yourselves.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 6, 2009, 4:17pm EDT
Hey, I'm first! This never happens!
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Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 4:21pm EDT
Got it featured. Now to read it. And Lisa, it is truly astonishing that you're first! Congrats!
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Rand Phares Oct 6, 2009, 4:26pm EDT
Third!
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 4:26pm EDT
Smiling at the Queen. A treat indeed to see her first.
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Rand Phares Oct 6, 2009, 4:31pm EDT
I've never attended a conference or a seminar. The only organized writerly things I've participated in are classes. Me, the teacher, and a couple dozen other would-be writers. That's probably the best situation for me, since it involves excercises and feedback. You get to know the teacher pretty closely, and if they have ties to others in the industry, you can usually follow those ties and extend your network.
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Ken C. Oct 6, 2009, 4:31pm EDT
I realize this is short notice, but I'm hosting Adina's online book release party at 3:00-4:00 PST today, please stop in and say hello. Just click the link below.

Adina Pelle Book Release
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Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 4:42pm EDT
Wow, that DaVinci link has DB written all over it. Who wants to bet there will be an art engineer named Seracini in his next book? LOL.

Conferences - I get something from all of them. Before publication, the networking alone was worth the cost of going, not including the industry and craft knowledge. Now - getting my work in front of readers is always a positive. Plus I get to be Writer Judi instead of Mom Judi or Wife Judi or PayTheBills Judi, or Cleaner Judi or Chauffeur Judi... you get the idea.
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 8:32pm EDT
What DaVinci link? Did I miss summtin?
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Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 4:49pm EDT
I've attended two conferences now. Because I'm not naturally social, I missed out on the biggest benefit, which was networking with fellow writers and industry pros. Also, because my WIP wasn't really ready, I missed out on the opportunity to pitch to agents and editors (plus, this year, the editors weren't ones I really wanted to pitch to).

It was good for industry news, and the one "craft" workshop I attended (presentation rather than hands on) was somewhat beneficial, if only because I had a lightbulb moment about a heroine.

But truth is, I learn far more hanging out with Wombats, having them as beta readers and critiquers, sharing industry and craft info. I'm looking at upcoming romance conventions and conferences and debating if I really want to pay $500 for a conference, plus hotel, food, etc., especially when the hotels are $200+ per night. Really, there's almost no workshop at either of them that sound appealing or useful for me. That's not being arrogant. That's saying that the same info can be had for free on dozens of author/agent/editor websites, as well as here. The big draw at those is, again, networking, and since I'm bad at it, I'd spend most of the time being utterly miserable.

I don't think I'd ever do a "hands on" conference, either. I don't do well with on-demand exercises. Wombat contests yes, because I have time to think about it, I enjoy trying something outside my genre, and I trust the folks reading it to be knowledgable, skilled, and trustworthy. It would drive me bonkers to go to a hands-on workshop with a bunch of newbie teens writing about elves taking over the planet Xerk. I'm finding that's the case with my local Nano group. They're planning write-ins and get togethers and I don't think a single one is over 23 years old, and many are younger, and they're all writing sci-fi/magic/interplanetay stuff. They say things like "I'll be there if Mom lets me have the car", or "I'll be there if I can get my homework done."
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:08pm EDT
Come to one I'm at. I promise you it'll be painless. I do most of the talking anyhow (big surprise, huh?) You'll be fine!
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:12pm EDT
I'd get lost in the crowd, trampled beneath the herds of adoring fans, and find myself wandering, sticky, broken and confused in the parking lot!
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:50pm EDT
*snork.

In what universe? Puh-lease!
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:56pm EDT
I've seen pictures. And that was only with one book and an ARC. With three full books and a RITA nomination? No thanks, I value my manicure too much to risk getting between you and your fans!
James R. Oct 7, 2009, 9:23pm EDT
Pat, I'll be there if Mom let's me take the space ship.
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 9:26pm EDT
James, you're cracking me up! LOL! But yes, come. I could use the protection!
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Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 5:06pm EDT
Never been to one - conference, seminar or retreat. I'm a science geek so I never even took a writing class in college (or ever actually). Whoops, I just let the cat out of the bag. No way he's going back in there now. I think that's why I write to my own drummer, or whatever. Wombats offer great advice, though I don't always follow it. If it "clicks" with what I'm trying to do, I will. Yet another reason I'll never be published. Too damned stubborn and self-serving.

Networking? *breaks into hives If I had someone to introduce me to people, I'd probably do okay, but I'm not good at introducing myself to strangers and "mingling".
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:08pm EDT
see above comment to Pat.
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Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 5:07pm EDT
And my walk was breezy and cold. :-( But I did it.
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:09pm EDT
good for you! I had a therapeutic massage today. Did wonders for the back, but not such good things for my galleys since I came home and had to take an hour nap (this after an hour massage and two half-hour trips there and back).
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 5:44pm EDT
I've been to three conferences--learned something at each, especially RWA national. I can honestly say that anyone could get something there, especially if you were looking for something outside of what you typically gravitate toward. The breadth of knowledge is astounding.

I've never been to a true workshop, where you spend a week actually working on a manuscript. Though I think that would be awesome.

I've belonged to two writer's groups--totally different from each other in every way. In one we critiqued and wrote on the spot using prompts. In the other, we heard from other writers on a wide variety of topics and spent a lot of time on the business of the group. (Which was something I thought detracted from the purpose of the group.) For both, I presented a lot of programs, teaching on craft. I loved that part of the experience.

One of the most satisfying parts of going to a conference or belonging to a group is the sense of community. I'm reminded why I write. I see other enthusiastic writers and it fires my enthusiasm. I see good writers and I get charged. I see bad writers and am moved to offer counsel or encouragement of my own. When I'm with others who love what I love, I can't help but get excited. And if I haven't been around other writers for a while, being with them again always wipes away a film of dullness that hangs over my writing life, a dullness that I don't recognize until it's wiped clean.

I love the mechanics and rules of writing, the process of writing, and the end product of writing. So I'd go to most any writing conference or retreat if I could afford it and I thought I could learn something new. I'd go to a Wombat writing retreat in a heartbeat.
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:10pm EDT
Beautifully stated. This is why I need my local chapter. Even though I lead a lot of it and don't learn a lot, I need to be around other similarly-focused people who "get" it. Saturday is our next one and I can't wait.
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Ken C. Oct 6, 2009, 5:57pm EDT
Four minutes until Adina's exciting event. If no one else shows up, we'll get very lonely...

Click linky above...
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Sherrie Super Oct 6, 2009, 6:05pm EDT
I've never been to a conference either, probably because of time and money. I sure did enjoy Beth's RWA updates a couple months ago though.

My first conference will probably be RWA National next July, but only because it's so darn close. Nashville is just a couple hours away, and I doubt it will ever come closer to my neck of the woods.

Plus, I expect Wombat sightings. And I can cheer for Pat in the Golden Heart and Judi for the Rita, and anyone else? Even though I'm not terribly social, I can cheery obnoxiously loud when the need arises.
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Sherrie Super Oct 6, 2009, 6:10pm EDT
Now, off to check out Adina's party and congratulate her!
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Jill Lynn A. Oct 6, 2009, 6:17pm EDT
*cough, cough, hack, choke, cough* Seems I've developed cruise cough, similar to kennel cough. But different. At least this crud waited until AFTER the cruise. Must go rest. Hicken soup, please.
Sherrie Super Oct 6, 2009, 7:11pm EDT
*passes Hicken Soup to Jill" I hope you feel better soon!
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:13pm EDT
*hicken soup winging its way to you!

(couldn't resist the pun)
Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 9:17pm EDT
bummer, but yes, be glad you didn't get sick on your trip
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 6, 2009, 6:27pm EDT
Okay, trying again on the virtual book party!
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Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 6:44pm EDT
I'm trying to get to the book party. Ken's been notified that I'm there.
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 6:50pm EDT
I like it... the whole announcing thing.
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 7:02pm EDT
Hicken soup to Jill.

Cool virtual party. I love all those possibilities for sharing.

An airport run for me. See y'all later.
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John Philipp Oct 6, 2009, 7:08pm EDT
Continuing from the last thread, my purse is infinitesimal.
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John Philipp Oct 6, 2009, 7:09pm EDT
Wombananos - theNaNoWriMo sites are active. Good time to check your page. Think we probably all have the same usernames on our buddy list.
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Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:13pm EDT
Cool technology, Ken! Congrats, again, to both you and Adina!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:14pm EDT
I really have to get this laptop looked at - it is almost out of memory (how the hell did I do that?) and trying to attend the book party brought on the whirling kaleidescope of Doom.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:16pm EDT
My new website is live...
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:18pm EDT
It looks fabulous, Lisa!!! Congrats!
John Philipp Oct 6, 2009, 7:29pm EDT
I agree. Well done.
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:29pm EDT
Gorgeous site, Lisa! I hit some sort of "oops" trying to go from the blog back to the web site, but that might just have been me. But yeah, if I ever build a site (my winter project), I'm soooo stealing those colors!
Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:34pm EDT
Thanks, all! I'm really happy with how it came out!
Ken C. Oct 6, 2009, 7:55pm EDT
Lovely site, Lisa and I'd give my liver for blurb from T. Jefferson Parker. Good!
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 8:21pm EDT
terrific site Lisa. looks great.
Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 8:34pm EDT
Looks great!
Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 10:04pm EDT
Classy, Lisa. Fit for a queen.
Dale C. Oct 7, 2009, 12:17am EDT
Nice looking site. I'll add a link to it in my LiveJournal blog. BTW: If I don't have a link to someone's blog or website on my blogroll let me know and I'll add it.
Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 7, 2009, 1:08am EDT
Thanks, Dale! And I need to update my links too - there doesn't seem to be as much flexibility with the Wordpress links as with Blogger, so they will probably end up mostly on the blog. I've needed to do this for a while - I will get to it soon!
James R. Oct 7, 2009, 9:33pm EDT
Really love the site, Lisa. Simple and to the point. Your writing adventure is clicking on all cylinders.
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Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 7:21pm EDT
That was terrific Ken. I'm so glad that I could attend.
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Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:24pm EDT
John, in your neck of the woods, isn't a purse called a fanny pack?

FINALLY managed to get into Adina's launch party (it wouldn't let me talk!!) Congrats Adina, and Happy Birthday Ken (in spite of the fact that I now have hives caused by flashbacks of endless meetings using similar technology!)

Beth, I love your enthusiasm for writing. I never think about the technical aspects (as evidenced by the brutal editing I'm doing right now!). I just like words. For some reason, even the idea of a writing class doesn't appeal to me. Too many rules, not enough fun. Too much planing down of shiny, odd quirks into a smooth sameness. I don't know. I can't explain it.

John, I've already bee on Nano for a week, chatting in forums. The romance forum is terrifying. A number of them have never even READ romance. They picked up a couple of Harelquins in the last week and intend to write their best seller in 30 days in November. Sigh.

Only 598 words cut today. I don't think this will be ready for GH. The first 50 pages will, but not the rest, and you have to submit the whole thing. Hubs has taken to placing random food items in front of me, knowing that while I'm in a writer's trance, nothing really registers with me. I just looked down to discover I'd eaten an entire cup of peas. I HATE PEAS!!! I consider this a dirty, lowdown, rotten trick. If I weren't so exhausted I'd go find him and tell him. But I think my butt is Gorilla-glued to this chair.
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:51pm EDT
I love Ed...

just sayin'.
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:59pm EDT
Yeah, I get that a lot. Ask Sia. It's not easy being married to Winnie the Pooh.
Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 8:21pm EDT
I better get my erotica sent off to Harlequin Spice BEFORE November then. Their desks are going to be flooded with tripe afterwards.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:35pm EDT
Hey, I don't like peas either! What's up with that, anyway?
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:41pm EDT
Little nasty, squashy things that won't stay on the fork. And now I have another stupid ditty running through my head (I know lots). At least this one is clean:

I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny, but it keeps them on the knife!

Yeah, I've lost it. I blame editing. It depleted every functioning brain cell, leaving only pea ditties (HAH!) and the lyrics to Gilligan's Island.
Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 8:30pm EDT
Peas is delicious.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 7:37pm EDT
I've attended classes on writing. they were beneficial and a participation was required. So it was more the mechanics but did deal with the creative side too.

The conference was good in that I was surrounded by people who take writing seriously. They want to succeed. I needed to be around those sort of people. Hear their input, what's worked, ideas, and enthusiasm. The networking? Also important. I made a lot of good connections. I hope to attend more. And career wise, I'll probably go to National. If there is a party in Columbus, I'll drive up for that, but this year, RT isn't a priority. I hope it will be a priority next year, lol! Won't be for the lack of trying. :-)
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:46pm EDT
There almost has to be a party of some sort, even if I don't go to the RT convention. Hubs is growling that he didn't want to come home that soon. We'd have to be in Ohio by mid-April, to give me time to shovel out four months of dust. The cousins in Nashville tell me National is just down the road from them, and I could crash at their house, but I don't know. I prolly won't know until at least April.
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Ken C. Oct 6, 2009, 7:43pm EDT
For those that missed the book release event, this should give you the flavor. It ended up being a lot of fun.

Adina's Book Release Party
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Sherrie Super Oct 6, 2009, 7:44pm EDT
Good Lord. It seems pretty arrogant to think a non-romance reader is going to write the next best-selling romance. I bet they picked romance, because they think it's easiest. Hah! Imagine their surprise come November. Did that sound mean and gleeful? I sure hope so! Good! Mwhahahahah!!!!

Pat, isn't the Golden Heart deadline in early December? I still bet you can make it!
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 7:53pm EDT
Yes, universally, they picked it because it was easy. Or because writing sci-fi wasn't enough and they needed experience writing alien sex scenes.

Entry forms and fees for GH are due November 16, the actual MS by December 2nd. It's easier if I just send everything at once, and November is reserved for Nano. So I have to get this done sooner rather than later. I need at least a week or two break between GH and Nano or hubs will disown me. My first autumn not having to work and he's antsy to go someplace and do something. I've already turned down long drives, symphony tickets and a weekend getaway. We'll see what this looks like by Saturday. I just need to get it done, dangit!
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 7:53pm EDT
I had the same thought, Sherrie. Good luck to them - bleh.

Pat has a self-imposed deadline. Whichever one she goes with, she WILL enter the GH. Watch her final. *rubs hands with glee.
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 8:02pm EDT
From your fingertips to the ears of the GH judges! And yeah, that velvet fist is gonna leave a mark!
Sherrie Super Oct 6, 2009, 8:29pm EDT
Yeah, what Judi said! WHEN you final, Pat. So there!

If by some miracle, I get my WIP done, I might enter. But the clock is ticking. Stoopid clock.
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 11:35pm EDT
I can see a newbie thinking churning out romances should be a piece of cake! Then you write the first few pages of anything and realize you're a babe in the woods. That is if you lucky you realize that, otherwise you think you're the cat's meow or summthin'
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 1:05am EDT
Trust me, Wanda. They all think they just invented sliced bread. And that 50,000 words is a whole novel.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 7:46pm EDT
Very, very nice, Lisa. And you got your Buddha photo there too. Good Colors too.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 8:00pm EDT
Ever notice between Pat and Judi forms of encouragement both involve iron fists in velvet?
~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 8:01pm EDT
and a sweet smiles? and such reasonable tones.
Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 8:03pm EDT
Yes, Sia. And how'd that chapter editing go today?
ML S. Oct 6, 2009, 8:25pm EDT
Maybe they're both related to Napoleon.
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 1:06am EDT
Are you calling us short, Mike? Well, okay, I am. Sort of. But Judi's way taller than me. Maybe 3 inches or so!
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Pat S. Oct 6, 2009, 8:01pm EDT
Ok, just got an email informing me hubs cooked ribs and rice (and this was in the kitchen less than 5 feet from me and I never noticed. Sigh) Yes, he emailed me, afraid to interrupt me. I think I better go now. LOL!
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 8:57pm EDT
You must be pretty intimidating when you're working. LOL
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 1:11am EDT
Yeah, actually Wanda, I suppose some folks would interpret it that way. I call it "intense". As in, if you interupt me, the growling will be the least of your problems. He's learned to walk past and if he sees a Word doc open and I'm staring into some vague, distant place, he turns and heads down the other hall. Actually, it takes a lot to interrupt me. I used to debug long pages of hexidecimal program code while the boys in the cubicles around me waged rubber band battles. He uesd to be a computer engineer. He understands completely what happens when a train of thought gets derailed. Lots of explosions and toxic fumes and somebody better call 911.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 8:03pm EDT
And Judi, thanks for the wonderful article on GH judging and pointers for tomorrows blog. Here, let me polish your halo attached to your princess crown. Halo was a bit crooked...
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 9:39pm EDT
crooked halos are fun! :)
Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 10:25pm EDT
Oh, goody. Something on the Golden Heart. I've decided to judge, just not sure if I only want to do one group of entries or two. It's only 50 pages each, right? And up to five per group? And two months to get it done? Doesn't sound impossible.
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 11:32pm EDT
Those 50 pages can be torture if the entry isn't ready for the contest, but if it is... what a joy to read.
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 1:17am EDT
Great article, Judi! Except I cringed, knowing every example came straight from my MS! LOL! I promise, my heroine never sleeps now. Well, she dozes off, but only after really great sex, which is when, I assume, the reader will put the book down anyway to go get a cold shower and some chocolate!

Beth, as fast as you read, it shouldn't be a problem. But I had a couple entries last year that I'm pretty sure left scars. I also had an entry that ultimately finalled, and it was pure joy!
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Pat Bertram Oct 6, 2009, 8:36pm EDT
Wpw, the threads are filling up fast. I missed an entire thread. I also missed Adina's book release party. I didn't log on at all today until just now -- wouldn't you know, the one day I decide to take a break from the internet, I miss out on something important.

Congratulations, Adina! Best of luck on your book. (Lifting a glass of champagne) Here's wishing you a million sales.
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Pat Bertram Oct 6, 2009, 8:42pm EDT
Wanda, I've never attended either a conference or a workshop, so I'm bowing out of answering the question.
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Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 8:56pm EDT
I didn't mingle a whole lot since I wasn't in a place to push a story or anything. It was nice to see so many hopeful writers in one place but I found there was no writers group here locally. I'm thinking I might try to start one. Not sure but I'm thinking about it.
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ML S. Oct 6, 2009, 9:12pm EDT
I'm far too shy to go to conferences. (yeah, that's the ticket)
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 11:34pm EDT
*snork
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Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 9:40pm EDT
Okay, brainiacical (word???) Wombats. I'm having a brain freeze at the moment and need your help.

Easter Island is west of South America, yes? For some reason, east made it in my manuscript and I'm wondering if someone transposed something somewhere. But it's WEST, yes?
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 9:54pm EDT
West of Chile, yes'm.
Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 10:02pm EDT
thank you.

Amazing what can get through however many readers. Beth, can you check and see if you have a version of COAL with east of South America in it? (I did a word search for South America). When you have time. Just to ease my curiosity. No hurry.
Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 10:20pm EDT
I found a reference to Easter Island faces but no South America.
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 9:57pm EDT
U2 at the Georgia Dome tonight. Great for those concert-goers. Lousy for those of us heading all innocent-like to the airport.
Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 10:17pm EDT
I'm having concert withdraw. I'd love to see U2 even though they're much softer than the stuff I usually subject my eardrums to.
John Philipp Oct 6, 2009, 10:32pm EDT
I'm sure I told you the story of swapping jokes with them in a bar one night, not knowing who they were.
Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 10:42pm EDT
I'd only recognize Bono. Have no idea what the others look like. So, did you write that up for a column?
John Philipp Oct 7, 2009, 1:03pm EDT
No, it was many years ago at a small Hollywood hotel. Before the column days.
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 10:01pm EDT
I forgot that I attended a one-day conference sponsored by one of my writer's groups. It was okay, but nothing earth-shattering. Talked about how you could make money at reviewing books. That wasn't something I was interested in. Can't remember any of the other talks.

Pat, stay with the cousins in Nashville. You'll love the conference. And you don't want one of us to have to pick up your Golden Heart, do you? It might get tarnished. Or lost. Or conveniently forgotten.

Off to see Lisa's site.
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 1:20am EDT
Trust me. If there's a shiny thing at stake, I'll be there. Even if they call somebody else's name (which they won't), the poor chick would get a broken ankle on the way to the stage. At the least. I tend to take the Beauty Queen Smash literally.
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Judi F. Oct 6, 2009, 10:02pm EDT
Ta da! Galleys finished!
Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 10:18pm EDT
Yay, congrats!
Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 11:33pm EDT
W00t! Judi, WTG
Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Oct 7, 2009, 1:09am EDT
WHOO HOO!!!!

I think that's something I have to do...soon...
Pat S. Oct 7, 2009, 1:21am EDT
Whoo hooo! Man, I don't know how you keep up with it all! Congrats!
Wanda H. Oct 7, 2009, 1:32am EDT
Personally I think she might be a lovely android!
Judi F. Oct 7, 2009, 6:58am EDT
*snork. Funny, Wanda. If I were an android I'd have barbie doll measurements, not real life ones. LOL
Wanda H. Oct 7, 2009, 5:24pm EDT
Perhaps you keep your measurement real life so we mere humans won't be too demoralized by your energy and your output! Yeah, that's it.
James R. Oct 7, 2009, 9:39pm EDT
Great job, Judi. Best of all, you've retained your enthusiasm while you've been cranking out a whole lot of writing and promotion.
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Jamie C. Oct 6, 2009, 10:18pm EDT
Finally home from work. I'm zonked.
Wanda H. Oct 7, 2009, 5:25pm EDT
My god it's late girl! No wonder you're zonked
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Beth H. Oct 6, 2009, 10:20pm EDT
Are you just getting home, Jamie? I'd be zonked too.
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Paul Allen Leoncini Oct 6, 2009, 10:44pm EDT
I got nothing, Dammit!

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~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 11:11pm EDT
As I mentioned, Judi has graciously offered to be my guest blogger tomorrow.

Golden Heart Pointers For A Successful Entry

Judi Fennell has been hearing several of us whine and whimper about entering the RWA's Golden Heart this year. We've probably pulled her ear all out of shape, poor thing. Why do we ask Judi? Because she's been a category and contest coordinator, and a judge for the GH and RITAs. Not to mention a veteran in entering contests and now a successful author.

As I listened to her advice, I had this bright idea—well, I thought it was a bright idea :-). Why not have Judi write an article on her observations? So I asked. There was only a small groan, followed with mysterious mumblings in another language I didn’t recognize, from the other end of the phone. Judi is working on Mer galleys for her third book, Catch Of A Lifetime, due out February 2010, and finishing up the first book in her new trilogy on Genies. So, deadlines are definitely in play here. But being the trooper she is, she agreed to write the article.

I hardly had to beg.

Well, a little bit.


Judi, thank you for doing this for me.

You're welcome, Sia

Was that a groan I heard?

No, no, just something in my throat. Ahem. (*hands Judi a glass of wine)

I would sure appreciate comments.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 6, 2009, 11:14pm EDT
I'd like to see U2. Good group. I'm keeping a look out for another Rock concert to take Jake to. He did get to see Hinder while I was gone. The group came to entertain the troops on Fort Leonard Wood. Jake even got VIP pass.
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Wanda H. Oct 6, 2009, 11:37pm EDT
Oh I'd go to see U2. I'm a total novice at concerts... hard to believe that about someone my age, I know. What with the sex, drugs and rocknroll of my generation but still.... ;o)
~Sia McKye~ Oct 7, 2009, 12:04am EDT
No different from any other concert. You go, you sit, you listen. Of course the music is loud, the lights sometimes blinding on the stage. Lots interesting things to watch down in the mosh pit, but you're usually out of all that, just sitting and watching.

No prob. :-)
Jamie C. Oct 7, 2009, 8:18am EDT
Sit? If you sit, you're lame. You stand and make lots of noise. That's what you do.
Wanda H. Oct 7, 2009, 5:26pm EDT
When I said novice I really meant virgin.... at concert attendence! Jeez, what else would I be meaning on an open thread! I think I'd be up, moving, singing along, etc. I'd be quite the sight, an old gal singing my heart out and wiggling my various parts. LOL
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Rand Phares Oct 7, 2009, 12:12am EDT
I've never seen U2. My son and I had tix back in the 90s, but their stage was hit by lightning in DC the night before they were to play Raleigh. So Raleigh and a couple other venues were canceled. Rats.

They were here a couple nights ago, before they headed off to Atlanta. Traffic around the stadium prior to the concert was so bad that hundreds of concert-goers never made it. Four hours sitting in one place on the highway, going nowhere. Not my idea of a grand night out.
Jamie C. Oct 7, 2009, 8:20am EDT
This is why I check into a hotel near the venue. Well worth the money to walk to the concert. (assuming there are hotels near that stadium, there usually are.)
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Rand Phares Oct 7, 2009, 12:16am EDT
65 pages edited today. The end of this pass is in sight. Then comes the grueling task of layering more conflict into every scene. Maass says every scene, so every scene it is. Even if your main character is chilling out in a grassy field halfway through the book, trying to gain strength for the next encounter, there has to be conflict. Fire ants, here we come.
~Sia McKye~ Oct 7, 2009, 12:30am EDT
Yay, Rand! You go! Um, fire ants? I'll pass.
Judi F. Oct 7, 2009, 7:00am EDT
Yep, need conflict. If the main character is chilling out in a grassy field, there's nothing happening, so the scene doesn't move the story forward. It's taking a break. You don't want to do that or you'll lose the reader. bring on the ants!
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Dana F. Oct 7, 2009, 12:20am EDT
Bookmark! Or is it placeholder?

And answer to Wanda's question: I attend regular SinC meetings (Sisters in Crime) and get a lot out of each one just by talking and listening to my fellow writers. I love conventions (now that I've attended a couple) because of the panels, hanging out with and meeting writers and readers... all of it.
Jamie C. Oct 7, 2009, 8:21am EDT
Better to be SinC than SIC, I always say.
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 7, 2009, 12:29am EDT

Had an experienced horseman out to look at preggo mare. We're talking a horse whisperer--no lie--and been doing it for 40 years. Not to mention raising a cazillion foals over the years. He stroked, talked, whistled, squeezed, pushed, pulled out a stethoscope and listened. Stood back, pushed back his hat, looked up at the sky, readjusted his hat, pursed his lips and squinted, ran his hand over her stomach again and lifted her tail. Nodded. Then looked at my sister and I. "She's 9 months pregnant. Blood test can pretty much pinpoint within the week she'll deliver. I'd say, end of November. She's a little heavier than I like to see. Exercise her, ride her, but don't overdo."

I'll admit it, I crowed! Hah, I told you so, sis! Of course, Gary then wanted to know what made me say that. Hey, preggo is preggo, whether a dog or horse. She's not bagging up enough to drop this month, there's no milk yet and not enough wax on the nipples (dogs don't get that but horses sure do). *blowing on my fingers and rubbing my chest. lmao!

Okay, blog gods were nice to me tonight. I just threw them one of Judi's older tiaras and they were happy with the sacrifice--no blood needed tonight. Whew!

I'm actually done early, got them announced to all my networks, and now? I'm going to bed. Must be up at 6 am.

You're welcome to a slice of triple chocolate cake I made. Jake loves me!

Pat, when you you surface, there is a couple slices of Key Lime Pie....
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~Sia McKye~ Oct 7, 2009, 12:57am EDT
BTW, Pat, I just read your Publisher's Lunch copy you sent me on endorsements and blogger/bookreviewers. FTC Requires Bloggers, Posters, and the Companies Who Woo Them to Disclose Free Review Copies.

Say what? OMG, what next. Sheesh.
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Vivian A. Oct 7, 2009, 1:04am EDT
Ran home from classes, to run out to eat, to run over to drag daughter through the College Fair. She chatted up some places she's seen and talked with several she hadn't thought about before, in the end she ended up with two new possibilities for her list.

Exhausted, again. *night-night
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Wendy C. Oct 7, 2009, 1:37am EDT
For Wanda; Cool link in true DB fashion. Lost DiVinci painting.

I just skimmed. Adina I'm sorry I missed your party. Congratulations to you and Ken.

Lisa, I get over to the website tomorrow. Congrats!

Writing romance is easy? Em, yeah, let me know how that theory works out. Pfft!

Jill, I how you feel better soon.

W00T! to Judi on Galleys!

I am definitely coming down with something. blech. The last two days I've gotten everything I need to done. At a glacial pace. Do you suppose if I just keep moving this will move on? I can hope.

Goodnight Neverland
Wanda H. Oct 7, 2009, 5:34pm EDT
Oh I loved that link to DaVinci's lost work! Fabulous. and truly in great time-honored DB fashion.
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