by Joanne Vicente
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June 13, 2009

H1N1 shots might need more investigation.

October 02, 2009 07:22 PM EDT
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My dear friend Diane wasn't at work when I went by there this afternoon.  I found out that her  parents and her younger sister had gone for the swine flu shots, and it was disastrous!  Her parents were both in intensive care for several days, but they're getting well.  Little sister (in her late 20s) died yesterday.  The cause of death was a reaction to the H1N1 shot.

I'm horrified and terribly sad, but also a bit frightened.   I've heard again and again that studies have shown these shots to have no negative side effects.  I'd say death is a very negative side effect.  I'm one of the people who is supposed to be sure to be getting the shot because of chronic lung problems.  There's no way I will now!

Are you planning to get a swine fu shot?

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Comments: 167

Monica C. Oct 2, 2009, 7:31pm EDT
No way! I never was going to take this shot of death and I am so very sorry for your friends loss. This is very frightening indeed.
Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 7:34pm EDT
Just as I finished typing that, a news report about how safe it is was aired. I don't agree, at all.
Thank you for your sympathy.
Sheri P. Oct 2, 2009, 11:54pm EDT
I'm so sorry to hear this Joanne...we sure aren't hearing about this in the news..hmm.
Tessa Alive Free Happy D. Oct 2, 2009, 7:35pm EDT
I never get flu shots -- and I don't get the flu
got it once in 1986, and was well within three days
~~~
Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 7:39pm EDT
How fortunate you are! And I don't mean that sarcastically at all, even though it seems that way. I envy you. We teachers get it quite often, since the kids give us those gifts!
Tessa Alive Free Happy D. Oct 2, 2009, 7:41pm EDT
I used to substitute teach -- never got a thing
-- but I know my own and my family's medical history, and that plays a large role in my decisions about health care
-- everybody should make informed decisions
-- in my case, the flu of winter 1959 nearly killed me, so I got a huge dose of immunity to most viruses
~~~

Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 7:48pm EDT
You are so very right! Lately, though, my classroom is a veritable symphony of sniffles, sneezes and coughs!
.* Sandi * Oct 2, 2009, 8:36pm EDT
I wont take it
Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 8:57pm EDT
Glad to know that.
Sandy (back in Ohio...blah!) Oct 2, 2009, 8:40pm EDT
Nope don't plan on getting that shot. Thankfully I will no longer be living in Florida by time thy start giving the shot to kids at school. I am against it because there has not been enough testing for reactions and other srious conditions assicated with it. Anytime the goverment says a shot is safe when it just comes out in a short period of time, it is not.

My daughter had reactions to the baby shots she had to get to go to school. No way am I going to subject her to more pain or suffering without more proof.
Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 8:57pm EDT
It might be given through the schools, but it won't be all that easily done. Parental permission is an absolute must!
RobbinLynn B. Oct 2, 2009, 9:34pm EDT
Thank-You for the info, I'am still thinking about it,and finding out more about it.
Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 10:45pm EDT
Since so many people are dying from this flu, it becomes a huge question!
Cassi J. Oct 2, 2009, 10:15pm EDT
I'm really on the fence about it; so sorry for your friend's loss! It really does seem as though it's been thrown out there too quickly.
Joanne Vicente Oct 2, 2009, 10:45pm EDT
The problem, though, is that the disease is spreading so quickly, and killing so many people. It's really a dilemma..
Sheri P. Oct 2, 2009, 11:53pm EDT
Joanne:
We always get our seasonal flu vaccine due to respiratory and heart issues. My son is on a medication for arthritis that makes his immune system weak. I don't think there is a chance in hell that anyone could make him (age24) take that H1N1 vaccine. We all agree here, it's too new...no way. There is a chance of getting H1N1, but that's not a death sentence. When you know you're taking this vaccine with potential side effects, it's not a good idea. I will wait and see...
Joanne Vicente Oct 3, 2009, 12:02am EDT
I can't help wondering why the news reports are always saying there are no harmful side effects!
joseph k. Oct 3, 2009, 7:31am EDT
no way iam sorry for your friend
Joanne Vicente Oct 3, 2009, 12:35pm EDT
Thank you. Do think twice before considering this immunization! hh
Johnice R. Oct 3, 2009, 3:15pm EDT
Joanne, I just do not understand your feelings towards the vaccine! Is this the first vaccine against the flu? NO! The FDA are working quite hard to make enough to treat everyone in the most susceptible groups. So what is your exact apprehension?
Johnice R. Oct 3, 2009, 3:19pm EDT
I am sorry that anyone died yet, I have confidence that the autopsy will show some definitive reason that young woman died.
Joanne Vicente Oct 3, 2009, 4:35pm EDT
The preliminary autopsy showed a reaction to the vaccine. Her parents were close to death in intensive care, as well.
I don't think anyone should have to die trying to prevent potentially fatal illness. I believe we need more information, and a lot more case studies.
Joanne Vicente Oct 13, 2009, 5:10pm EDT
The final autopsy said there were a number of contaminants in the serum, and that's why she died.
Sheri P. Oct 27, 2009, 4:37pm EDT
thats so sad...our doctor just said this past week, that the H1N1 vaccine is safe and made just like the seasonal flu vaccine. She works with immune dysfunctions. Sorry, but I will continue to wait and see. We got our pneumonia vaccines, because most of the deaths from swine are from pneumonia or strep. I will continue to take antioxidants, vitamins, and stay away from other sick people when possible
Joanne Vicente Oct 27, 2009, 5:24pm EDT
Do doctors get their information from the drug companies, I wonder?
Sheri P. Oct 29, 2009, 4:42pm EDT
Joanne...the doctor that we see, deals with immune dysfunctions. She does use medications, as well as natural treatments. I'm confused but not confused enough to get the H1N1 vaccine.
Joanne Vicente Oct 29, 2009, 4:56pm EDT
I wish natural remedies were more widespread, so fewer people would think they're only for nuts!
Jessica B. Oct 3, 2009, 4:51pm EDT
Getting any vaccination is essentially giving you the virus. We've had to go over the in's and out's of this stuff when in Microbiology for Nursing. It made me rethink the immunizations that they require children to get. Many people get the flu when they get the flu shot, but it's supposed to be a lighter version. Doesn't always happen that way, which is very sad. It's hard to decide which is better, to get the shot or not.
Joanne Vicente Oct 3, 2009, 4:55pm EDT
It is a terribly difficult decision. The one teacher at my school who is just horrible hasn't lost her job because she has a lawsuit pending, claiming that she got MS from the shots they required all special-needs teachers to get. It's illegal for anyone to sue the school system while employed there, so they keep her. It's a shame for the autistic kids she works with, but I guess the school system just sees the dollars.
William Dotani Oct 4, 2009, 12:55am EDT
No!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not trust the Drug companies or their brown nose sidekick, the FDA.
I hope this sad death will convince others not to get this 'We the Guinea Pg' shot.
Joanne Vicente Oct 4, 2009, 4:53pm EDT
I can't help wondering why the media insist on telling us there are no negative side effects. Death of a vibrant young woman is certainly negative!
Sheri P. Oct 27, 2009, 4:38pm EDT
I've also seen some reactions like dystonia, too
Joanne Vicente Oct 27, 2009, 5:23pm EDT
The last swine flu outbreak brought out the SAME vaccine! Thousands of people were paralyzed by Guillaume-Barre syndrome as a result, and hundreds were acknowledged to have died from the vaccine.
Nancy Biri Oct 4, 2009, 8:42am EDT
I'm not going to get the swine flu shots. Knock on wood,,,, I haven't gotten the flu for ages. Sorry about your friend
Joanne Vicente Oct 4, 2009, 4:54pm EDT
Thank you.
Good decision, I think.
Think your little typo says it all. "Are you planning to get a swine fu shot?"

Joanne Vicente Oct 4, 2009, 4:54pm EDT
I hadn't noticed it before, nut you're so right!
d d. Oct 4, 2009, 1:10pm EDT
scarey *hh
Joanne Vicente Oct 13, 2009, 5:10pm EDT
...and then some!
pamela r. Oct 4, 2009, 2:40pm EDT
sorry for the loss....was not going to get one. NOT NOW for sure! ~~HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 4, 2009, 4:55pm EDT
Thank you. I don't want more people to be lost to an attempt not to be ill!
hh
Marsha S. Oct 4, 2009, 7:44pm EDT
I was probably going to get it, but not after reading this!
Hello
Joanne Vicente Oct 4, 2009, 7:52pm EDT
I'm really afraid of it, and I just heard another national news report that said there are no known negative side effects. Where do they get their information?
HH
Renita P. Oct 5, 2009, 2:15pm EDT
They get their info from the profits. Seriously. It's disgusting how many drugs they allow out on the market only to recall them shortly after because of deaths or other serious side effects. All because they're in too much of a hurry for the cash to do the necessary longer-term testing.
Renita P. Oct 5, 2009, 2:14pm EDT
No way. Not for me. The problem is that they've had no time to really test the vaccine. And for the normal person with a healthy immune system, the swine flu is very treatable. I had a friend who had some serious side effects of a regular flu vaccine a couple o fyears ago. they think maybe they hit a nerve when they gave her the shot but it partially paralyzed her arm and she had to go through alot of phys. therapy and was in alot of pain for quite a while.
HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 5, 2009, 6:43pm EDT
I just saw a news report that said the VERY SAFE inhaled version is being given to little children beginning today. I really hope I'm unnecessarily concerned, but it doesn't seem so.
HH
Nora J A. Oct 25, 2009, 8:49am EDT
I thought the "sniff" one was the lvie virus and they were not going to give it to young children? Hmmmm
Joanne Vicente Oct 25, 2009, 9:01am EDT
There were many news stories in which they showed kids getting the sniff dose.
Elizabeth S. Oct 5, 2009, 7:28pm EDT
I always think I should because of my respiratory problems but don't get around to it. It's an easy decision this year since I can't pay for the shot and groceries, too.

I've had the flu several times and only once did I think I was at death's door. Hope I don't regret my decision this year.

extending Helping Hands
Joanne Vicente Oct 5, 2009, 7:32pm EDT
It's just about the only thing my health insurance covers 100%, but there's no way I will take the H1N1 shot!
HH
DIANE D. Oct 5, 2009, 8:43pm EDT
I do think so.
Alex In Wonderland Oct 5, 2009, 8:49pm EDT
I'm pregnant so I am a priority for getting the vaccination. But I don't know how I can submit myself to a shot that has never been tested, since it's new. No one knows the reactions that I could have, that anyone can have. And how can they say, and be so sure, that it is safe?? They can't say that and mean it. They have NO idea what it will do to people. They barely know the week later reactions. It will be years before they know the long-term repercussions and by that time they can attribute all of the side-effects to something else.
Joanne Vicente Oct 6, 2009, 6:29pm EDT
It's the one they took off the market in the seventies because it caused healthy people to become paralyzed in a lot of cases!
Lady of Lake Merritt =P Oct 6, 2009, 6:26pm EDT
HELL NO!!!! That is terrifying!!! My husband is so against it! Sorry for your friend's lost! 20 is soooo young, ack! that's terrible!
Joanne Vicente Oct 6, 2009, 6:32pm EDT
I got my regular flu shot today, and the doctor said he won't have any of his patients go near it. He said they banned it back in the 70s because it caused nerve damage, paralysis and even death in otherwise healthy people!
Lona Herling Oct 9, 2009, 4:55pm EDT
I asked a nurse friend of mine and she said i didnt need one cause i have an imunetyto getting it as i am 67 years old.and probably Had it years ago.
Lona Herling Oct 9, 2009, 4:56pm EDT
sorry forgot Helping Hands,
Joanne Vicente Oct 9, 2009, 4:58pm EDT
I hope she's right! It was a major problem in the 70s.
HH
Linda T. Oct 9, 2009, 9:56pm EDT
I don't get a regular flu shot so never considered getting this one either. I have known many people who have had adverse reactions to normal flu shots so I would imagine that this would be filled with more risks than normal. HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 10, 2009, 7:38pm EDT
I've never had a problem with my annual flu shots, but I won't take the H1N1.
No. ~ HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 10, 2009, 7:38pm EDT
Good!
Sandi S. Oct 10, 2009, 7:41pm EDT
Has this been in your local news? I haven't seen it in the news, but it should be!!!
Joanne Vicente Oct 10, 2009, 7:43pm EDT
This morning, there was yet another story about how safe it is, so I called the station, and the usual answer was what they gave me. They said they'd look into it. My doctor agrees that it's outright weird!
Sandi S. Oct 10, 2009, 7:46pm EDT
weird is an understatement.
August Lady Oct 13, 2009, 3:07pm EDT
No way!
Joanne Vicente Oct 13, 2009, 5:12pm EDT
I can't imagine why they're covering up the negative side effects. Another doctor told me to stay away from them today. He called them nothing but trouble!
Netty B. Oct 17, 2009, 8:09pm EDT
not after reading this I'm not!
Joanne Vicente Oct 18, 2009, 5:53pm EDT
I'm glad. The CDC finally contacted Diane's parents yesterday and admitted there have been several deaths and other horrible reactions, but I still don't see any news organizations admitting it!
Sheri P. Oct 27, 2009, 4:42pm EDT
UGH!!!!!! Thank you for posting this update and it's sad that they refuse to put this part of it in the news about the "safety" of the H1N1 vaccine
APE 131313 Oct 18, 2009, 9:03pm EDT
Either way....YOU get to live with the consequences of your decision. Good or Bad!
Joanne Vicente Oct 23, 2009, 9:48pm EDT
All too true!
♥♥LoViNg♥LiFe♥ ♥♥ Oct 19, 2009, 1:19pm EDT
I just read ssomething on that, This shot is causing a whole lot of drama.
Some want it some say no.
It might be bad and I think we do need to have more research done on it before we all start getting them.
Scary though.
HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 19, 2009, 4:16pm EDT
Even after they gave all the information to the CDC, this morning's news said there have been no negative reactions. It's just unimaginable!
HH
.* Sandi * Oct 19, 2009, 6:14pm EDT
I cant and wont take the shot
HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 19, 2009, 7:29pm EDT
It's just too risky!
Donna W. Oct 19, 2009, 11:57pm EDT
Its just going to have to be everyones one disission,
HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:51pm EDT
Yep!
HH
Marilyn M. Oct 20, 2009, 12:23am EDT
I saw a report yesterday that said that very few young people ever died from any flu....until they started getting vaccines. I stopped getting regular flu shots a few years ago. And, no, I won't be getting the swine flu shot.

Did you realize the Dr. Oz (ABC) who has been telling everyone to get the swine flu shots admitted in an interview that his own wife and kids won't be getting it?
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:52pm EDT
That seems like about what;s happening - a sort of coverup, but for no realistic reason!
Kelly K ~ ready for the New Year ~ Oct 25, 2009, 10:35am EDT
Marilyn,
here's a link to what you are talking about with Dr. Oz

http://swineflu.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/13/Dr-Oz-Helps-Shill-the-Flu-Vaccine.aspx
Sheri P. Oct 27, 2009, 4:45pm EDT
I heard this one, too. Most of my doctors and the nurses that I know refuse to get the vaccine. My son's nurse had his first seasonal vaccine ever a month ago and he said he was really sick after it. He had to get the vaccine or possibly lose his job. ugh
Joanne Vicente Oct 27, 2009, 5:16pm EDT
A friend of mine reacted badly to a flu shot, and that's how he discovered he was allergic to feathers!
Sheri P. Oct 30, 2009, 11:24pm EDT
Dr. Oz received his H1N1 immunization on his show on Monday and I was shocked!! He must have been convinced...or was it the H1N1 immunization..hmmm
Nora Davenport Oct 20, 2009, 12:30am EDT
I'm so terribly, terribly sorry to hear about your losing your friend.....what a tragedy. Ever since the beginning/announcement about these shots, our family decided absolutely NOT.......we never get the regular flu shots and do just fine, and we've heard nothing but bad things about this H1N1.
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:52pm EDT
I'm glad you're healthy! Stay that way, please.
Jen K. Oct 20, 2009, 10:04am EDT
HOLY COW! Im so sorry about your friend.. how aweful!!!!! I have heard of people getting really sick from the shots... and will NOT get one or let me son get one!! My doctor was trying to force me to get it.. I said NO WAY!!! HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:53pm EDT
My doctor said that, if I got the shot, he wouldn't treat me any more!
Sheri P. Oct 27, 2009, 4:46pm EDT
so glad to hear your doctor is passionate about this. My daughter's cardiologist said he would NEVER ever have any vaccines. He's probably in his late 60's and said he's never had the flu and never had a vaccine.
Joanne Vicente Oct 27, 2009, 5:13pm EDT
I get flu shots every year because I've had pneumonia many times, and my left lung was badly burned by radiation treatments for breast cancer. I've never had a problem with them, but there's no way I'll go near those!
Jen K. Oct 27, 2009, 8:16pm EDT
I have heard of too many people that have either gotten REALLY sick or died from this immunization! Im normally all gung ho about imunizations!
Joanne Vicente Oct 27, 2009, 8:23pm EDT
This one needs to be investigated and "fixed" to be safe!
Sheri P. Oct 29, 2009, 4:24pm EDT
Joanne..did you get your pneumonia vaccine? I did for the first time this year. I understand how you feel about this vaccine and it seems like those of us with immune or lung issues need this vaccine but need it to be safe!!
Joanne Vicente Oct 29, 2009, 4:30pm EDT
I get the pneumonia vaccine every five years, but the doctor showed me proof that it's safe before the first time!
Sheri P. Oct 29, 2009, 4:39pm EDT
Our doctor suggested that we get it every 2 years...hmmm. My parent's doctor suggested every 5 years also.
Joanne Vicente Oct 29, 2009, 5:09pm EDT
Very odd!
Love from Darlene! Oct 20, 2009, 10:18am EDT
I trust my doctor, he said I did not need one.
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:53pm EDT
Good!
Marsha S. Oct 20, 2009, 11:13am EDT
this post is why they scare me-HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:53pm EDT
Too scary!
HH
Kim B. Oct 20, 2009, 5:09pm EDT
Scary. i'm not planning on getting one
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:54pm EDT
Good. I think we need to avoid the risk.
HH
Megan R. Oct 20, 2009, 5:27pm EDT
They are giving this shot for free to all the students in the districts where I teach. In fact, the middle and high school students will get it right during the school day. They do need parent permission, though. Your story makes the think twice! HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 20, 2009, 5:51pm EDT
They're starting here, too. Parental permission is the key. They'd never get it from me!
Jennifer N. Oct 29, 2009, 5:59pm EDT
Same here they are giving it free in my son's school. We are not consenting. He'd need two shots, too and the second dose would be about the time we are out of state anyway.
Jennifer W. Oct 20, 2009, 8:58pm EDT
I do not plan on getting it. I have never gotten the flu shot either.
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:24pm EDT
I got the one for seasonal flu, but I won't get the H1N1 shot.
d d. Oct 20, 2009, 10:42pm EDT
still not going to do it. hh
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:24pm EDT
Me, neither!
Elizabeth R. Oct 20, 2009, 10:58pm EDT
Not going to get that shot. I have never had the flu and never had a flu shot. Not going to jinx it now.
Elizabeth R. Oct 20, 2009, 11:06pm EDT
Forgot to mark the message with HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:25pm EDT
I've had flu many times, and it's often evolved into pneumonia, but this one is just too risky!
Elizabeth R. Nov 8, 2009, 2:38am EST
Sorry you have had the flu so many times. It isn't as if I haven't been exposed to the flu. They would be dropping like flies and I just didn't get it. Sending God's protective while light to surround you and all the wonderful people in Gather.
anne ( way 2 crazy of a life ) c. Oct 21, 2009, 9:04pm EDT
scary, not sure if i am getting one or not
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:25pm EDT
It's a tough decision.
Praj S. Oct 22, 2009, 1:35pm EDT
I can not agree more
HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:26pm EDT
I wish we could find a less dangerous way to stay healthy!
Stacey *Mamasaid* D. Oct 22, 2009, 9:33pm EDT
I will not get it, too many risks hh
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:23pm EDT
I'll take my chances on this one!
Dawn (a kitty-kin on the wall) Oct 22, 2009, 9:35pm EDT
you have to be careful who they get the shots from. who the distributor is.
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:23pm EDT
I don't know that patients can even find that out. Doctors have regular suppliers, but where do they get what they deliver???
Beth G. Oct 22, 2009, 9:37pm EDT
oh wow that is very scary! I am sorry about your friend's sister's loss! I haven't gotten the regular flu shot and I think I am less likely to get the swine flu shot since we really don't know enough on the effectiveness of it or not.
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:22pm EDT
It's really difficult to figure out what to do when the media keep pushing us to get vaccinated!
Jessica B. Oct 24, 2009, 11:50am EDT
Just giving you some more shameless comments!
Joanne Vicente Oct 24, 2009, 4:22pm EDT
LOVE it! Thanks!
HH
joseph k. Oct 25, 2009, 8:21am EDT
not me sorry for yopur friend mom and dad
joseph k. Oct 25, 2009, 8:21am EDT
forgot HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 25, 2009, 8:59am EDT
Thank you.
Nora J A. Oct 25, 2009, 8:52am EDT
Thanks for this article, and discussion. I haven't decided, seems to be too much controversy about the safety of this "rushed" vaccine, so am leaning toward not getting it.
Joanne Vicente Oct 25, 2009, 8:59am EDT
It is a real dilemma.
lena k. Oct 25, 2009, 10:08am EDT
so sorry HH
Joanne Vicente Oct 25, 2009, 10:20am EDT
Thank you.
HH
Abby N. Oct 25, 2009, 10:20am EDT
I'm so sorry about your friend and her family. I wasn't planning on any shots for my kids or me before and not now for sure! I hope the people who lie and say there are no negative side effects can live with their consciences.
Joanne Vicente Oct 25, 2009, 10:26am EDT
I just can't imagine why the news reports aren't more accurate!
Thank you.
Abby N. Oct 25, 2009, 10:33am EDT
I was thinking perhaps forward this post to several news stations but I didn't know if you wanted to do that and then also ask them why they aren't being honest. Just an idea.
Joanne Vicente Oct 25, 2009, 10:43am EDT
I've done that. They all send back automatic "thank you for your input" notes.