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by ~Sia McKye~
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August 8, 2007

What’s Your Brand? Wombats CCCXV

September 29, 2009 01:16 PM EDT
views: 334 | rating: 10/10 (6 votes) | comments: 316

We know what genre we write but do you know your brand as a writer/author?

 

Recently, as friend and I had a rather lively discussion about this over drinks. Honestly, I hadn’t thought as much about what my brand was or even what a brand was, other than in general terms as applied to marketing.

 

So what is an author’s brand? The author's brand is his or her work. They’re known for writing certain types of books. Think Stephen King, Christine Feehan, Nora Roberts, Jayne Ann Krentz, or even Dan Brown. You know when you pick up one of their books exactly what you’re going to get. For the most part, we pick up books largely based on the authors’ brand.

 

Established authors do see themselves as a brand. They work to protect that brand and some even have trademarks attached to their names. Their brand represents a certain standard or identity readers recognize. In many ways every author is a brand, though they may not see it that way.

 

From a marketing standpoint, having a brand is important. If someone says, Johnson & Johnson, Harlequin, Disney, Campbells, Revlon, Wilson, or Black & Decker you know exactly what the products are. So it’s not surprising that Publishers are actively cultivating the trend of authors as a brand. Publishers are the first to acknowledge that branding is becoming a more conscious marketing activity.

 

Lynne Brown, Dorling Kindersley's brand manager, made an interesting observation. “In recent years in an ever more crowded market, the consumer has come more and more to rely on brand identity as an indicator for purchase. We believe this is now true in all industries and no less so within publishing… this will continue to be a strong ongoing trend…”

 

I have a brand as Sia McKye Over Coffee. I have a logo and a tag line. I play up my Celtic roots. Judi Fennell, author of In Over Her Head, has a brand, Fairy Tales with a Twist. Whether she writes about Mers or Genies, you know her books are going to fit into that brand. While she incorporates darker threads within her stories, she never loses sight of her brand. They’re light, fun, and humorous.

 

What are your thoughts on branding?

 

What’s your brand? How do you present you and your work?


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Comments: 316

Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:17pm EDT
first!
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:17pm EDT
yes!
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:19pm EDT
Oh, goody. You answered my brand for me so I don't have to. Now I can just sit back and read others'. LOL

You're a good friend, Sia!
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:19pm EDT
Hmm, dare I do a Dana this early in a thread?
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:19pm EDT
Why, yes, I do dare, thankyouverymuch.
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:19pm EDT
Oh, and as I near the end of I Dream of Genies, I think you'll be laughing through this one when you read it, Sia. I know I am. Having a ball!
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:20pm EDT
Speaking of which, I have to get back to it. Two chapters to go!!! And I've got a school function today, so if I want to finish, I have to stop playing online.
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:20pm EDT
*Doin' a Dana successfully completed.
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Purrrrrrrrrrr~Genki dashite~Nantoka naru-yo! S. Sep 29, 2009, 1:22pm EDT
Angry Penis Hating Lesbian checking in~ =D
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:27pm EDT
Hey Selene, good to see you! Trying out different 'brand' names are we? lolol! But that's not the brand you employ for your work.
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Purrrrrrrrrrr~Genki dashite~Nantoka naru-yo! S. Sep 29, 2009, 1:23pm EDT
GutterGirl sliding by~ =D
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:28pm EDT
*snork. Now we're in a bowling lane? You slay me kiddo. :-)
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 1:24pm EDT
Wow. That's just so inappropriate. Guess we know her brand.
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Purrrrrrrrrrr~Genki dashite~Nantoka naru-yo! S. Sep 29, 2009, 1:33pm EDT
Seriously though~at book signings and readings they tout me as a Woman's Advocate and a SurrealPoetess~

*although one reviewer did call me the above even though he thought my books were groovy and freaky fresh he assumed they would only be entertained by "angy penis hating lesbians, like the author"
even though I'm none of that~truly~ ;)
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:31pm EDT
But your work is a bit of both I've noticed. You're a strong advocate. Ah, reviewers are fickle things at times. He obviously didn't know you well, did he? ;-)
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John Philipp Sep 29, 2009, 2:28pm EDT
Excellent topic, Sia. Branding is important as is maintaining it's integrity. That is why Nora Roberts writes as J.D. Robb for her futuristic detective series, so readers don't confuse her brand.

I would also suggest that an author's voice is a brand. If they are consistent a reader knows what voice she will be reading just as I know the quality of the food at a good restaurant chain.

Years ago, Disney realized that they had unused movie making resources (writers, producers, directors, studios, etc and signed Danny DeVito, Bette Midler and others to multi-picture contracts (which relaunched their careers) producing such films as Ruthless People and Down and Out in Beverly Hills.

As the Disney brand was so valuable, and these movies were not PG, they came up with a clever solution and distributed the movies under a new brand — Touchstone films.

In July I was having lunch with Jon Carroll, well-known San Francisco columnist. I told him I was surprised that sometimes his columns were humorous, sometimes political etc. In other words, he did not have a consistent brand/voice and I thought that was important in this business. He said it is but you bend the rules when you have a deadline every day!
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:39pm EDT
Very good points, John. Disney is a classic when it comes to brands and really, smart authors who want to write a different style or sub-genre do the same.

Nora Roberts isn't the only author that does that either. Jayne Anne Krentz, aka Jayne Castle (futuristic), Amanda Quick (historicals), and Pat can tell you her two other alias. Several other authors do it too--I can't recall others just off the top of my head. That's why authors choose pseudonyms. That public name is their brand.

Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 1:01am EDT
She has multiple aliases from her early writing. If you're ever at a yard sale and see a book by Jane Bentley, grab it. Those suckers go for $200-$350!
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 2:31pm EDT
2400 words for me today and a blog posting.

Now I'm off to a school function - catch you all later!
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Wendy C. Sep 29, 2009, 2:44pm EDT
Could today get any better? The contractor didn't show up and I got an email that a classmate, 6th grade to graduation, died from a jump or fall from a three story building. Can we start over? Or better yet, let's cancel today. Yeah, that's better.
Beaker (just Beaker) Sep 29, 2009, 3:57pm EDT
Sorry to hear about your friend, Wendy. In fact it sounds as though you're having a very unhappy day. [Slides plate of warm peanut butter cookies over to Wendy.]
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 5:15pm EDT
Wendy, that's so very sad. Adding hot cocoa to those cookies.
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 6:01pm EDT
Wow, Wendy. That's just awful.

sliding a bottle of wine. THe hell with the cocoa.
Sherrie Super Sep 29, 2009, 11:04pm EDT
Oh Wendy, that's terrible. I'm so sorry to hear that.
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Dana F. Sep 29, 2009, 4:27pm EDT
I guess by Wombat standards, my brand is relentless repetition of my red furred coat! :-)

Humor. Romance and mysteries with humor. That's all I got for branding at the moment...

I do, however, have my latest Inara LaVey brand book coming out THursday on Ravenous Romance! So...erotic romance with humor!

I need help with this branding thing.
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Dana F. Sep 29, 2009, 4:28pm EDT
Judi, your Dana was quite spectacular, especially so early on in the thread! I salute you!
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Dana F. Sep 29, 2009, 4:34pm EDT
Oh Wendy, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend...
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Beth H. Sep 29, 2009, 5:12pm EDT
Wendy, smothering you with hugs. What an awful thing.

Brand? I don't want a brand. 'Cause then I can't do the variety of writing I want to do.
But, as Disney did, I can (and plan to) use different names, so I guess I can do the multi-brand thing. I mean, yes, I want to be known for something, but I'd like the ability to branch out without readers getting upset. Can Grisham write anything else without readers and critics wondering what he's doing? Could DB write sci-fi and be accepted? Could either of them write romance and be published under their own names?

The branding is good, in its way. But limiting for a well-known writer who wants to write in different genre. For those unpublished, like me, I guess the concern is like putting the cart before that wonderful horse. Who knows what the brand will be when I'm actually published?

Pat, it's after five. Bourbon is okay now. I wasn't smiling when I read your comment over on John's thread. Nope, not smiling. (Don't worry so much about adverbs. Romance is the one genre where they're expected and welcome. It's just the overuse that's bad. Or when they're used to prot up weak verbs and actions.)
Beth H. Sep 29, 2009, 5:14pm EDT
That's prop up. And no, I haven't had any bourbon of my own. Just chocolate.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 5:17pm EDT
Thank you, Beth. I'm having a very, very cranky day. Then I found out everyone was here doing Danas. Sigh.
Beth H. Sep 29, 2009, 5:25pm EDT
You do know the implication was that you do not use weak verbs, right? You have a great command of the language. Just write. Someone's gonna want Ashes. Or Anne Bonney. Or the next story.

I'd offer you one of the brownies soon to come out of the oven, but they're definitely chocolate. I'm sure you'd prefer something else, but that's all I made. Got a friend coming over for dinner and needed dessert.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 6:09pm EDT
Thank you, Beth. Intellectually, I know I do not need "slouched casually", since "slouched" is a perfectly fine word all by itself. It's the cutting thats' killing me. Turning my lovely trunks of words into stupid portmanteaus. Or even reticules.

And thank you for the offer of brownies. Do they make mixes for peanut butter ones? I'll have to look. And hubs, being a bright man, brought home both dinner and a bottle of wine. He has also suggested it's never too late for a nap. I think it was the surliness and snapping that convinced him of this!
James R. Sep 29, 2009, 9:48pm EDT
Hi Beth. But you do have a brand among the wombats for lyrical writing, lack of wasted words and outstanding editing skills. I'd expect that your public writing brand will eventually stand for similar attributes.
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:45pm EDT
Darling Pat, cutting sucks. No way around it.

And btw, yes they do have brownies you can swirl in ribbons of peanut butter. And if you have a jar of it, do it yourself. Think of it as a giant buckeye, lmao!
Sherrie Super Sep 29, 2009, 11:12pm EDT
Coming late to the party here, but I've gotta say, some of the most intriguing writing isn't cookie cutter. Look at Stephenie Meyer. Twilight is full of adverbs, and the story is so compelling (IMO) that it's just part of the whole package. (And Twilight was her first book, so it wasn't like she was a big name who could afford to break the rules.) My point is, Pat, that I hope you don't follow those dreaded rules so heavily that you lose what makes yours special.

And actually, I think there IS a difference between slouched and slouched casually. Goths slouch, but not casually. Now a rake might slouch, but he WOULD do it casually. One is sullen. The other can be sexy.

Alright, I'm rambling here. But it all makes me a little crazy sometimes. The idea of cookie-cutter prose scares me.

You're a terrific writer. Dammit.
Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 1:03am EDT
Sherrie, you are a darling. Thank you.
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Beth H. Sep 29, 2009, 5:26pm EDT
Ken, are you having a good time over on that thread?
Ken C. Sep 29, 2009, 7:16pm EDT
Sure, why not? I'm interested in how people think, particularly those who disagree with me. I generally hang out with engineers--they're opinionated and hard-headed, but can follow a line of reasoning and will leap in and cut your throat at the point your analysis goes awry (figuratively speaking, of course). Tough as it can be, it's a community I like. That's not the sort of argument you get on some topics with the more general public.
Beth H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:25pm EDT
It shows. That you like it, that is. I think David enjoys the back-and-forth as well.
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 6:17pm EDT
Pat will never ask me to look at another thing of hers ever again, I know it.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 6:25pm EDT
All the blood you've spilled on my behalf has never stopped me from coming back for more. And this one, overall, is far, far less bloody than some things you've returned to me! I think I'm just deadly sick of this story, and have reached the point where I need to be mindful of cutting out my voice while cutting words. Which means I know I have a voice, and I recognize it, which is a good thing.
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 6:27pm EDT
oh, good. phew!
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Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 6:25pm EDT
Sorry to hear about your friend, Wendy. ((((((hugs))))))

I'm having one heck of a busy day and it's not over yet. Back to work with me, for the third time today. Gah!

Tuesdays are the new Mondays.

Brand. I have lots, yet none. If that makes sense. If you've read any sampling of my large variety of genres and voices, it would.
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 6:35pm EDT
Just heard there's a high surf warning along west coast of us due to the earthquake/tsunami in American Samoa. how awful for everyone there..

Also heard that this is the first time in 18 years there isn't a tropical depression in the last two weeks in the Atlantic - where JIll's cruise is. Phew!
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Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 6:54pm EDT
Definitely not first.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 7:28pm EDT
Me, neither. :-(
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Ken C. Sep 29, 2009, 7:01pm EDT
DB3 Entry #13

The Secret of the Generations
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Ken C. Sep 29, 2009, 7:08pm EDT
DB3 Entry #14

Food for Thought
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Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 7:30pm EDT
*avoids grading huge stack of papers (400 of them)

*feels guilty

*starts grading papers with a complete lack of lenience for mistakes

*while crying and feeling sorry for self
Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 8:34pm EDT
There, there.

* patting Jamie's shoulder, handing her tissue and cup of hot cocoa.

Poor dear.
Sherrie Super Sep 29, 2009, 11:14pm EDT
Awww...Poor Jamie! Here, have a cookie to go with the cocoa.
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Wendy C. Sep 29, 2009, 7:54pm EDT
Thank you everyone. I'll have to pass on the wine. Were I to indulge I'd be stealing rum from Vivian.

Spoke with DD. She missed her appointment in leu of speaking with a nurse. Who, sight unseen, said she was fine. I asked about her bp. It's not better. SCREAMMING!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love my daughter, I love my daughter. Is today over? I just want to curl up with DH and pretend today never happened.

Brand? Romance with an edge, I'd have to say. No weak willed, sniveling females or feminized men. Only alphas need apply.

Off to find sustenance.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:06pm EDT
What!? Tell DD to get herself to the doctor. I said so!
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:08pm EDT
here's what you tell her, Wendy. "If this were your daughter, you know PP? If she did this, what would you tell her?"

I've found this works well with older parents as well. I love throwing my mother's words back in her face. Oh, she has a fever and a hacking cough and isn't going to go to the doctor? Really. And if it were me, mom, you'd make me go make sure I don't have bronchitis or pneumonia.

Mom goes calls the dr. everytime.

Tell DD the Wombats DEMAND she go to the doctors and NOT rely on an over the phone diagnosis.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 8:23pm EDT
Wendy, we never stop being moms. Remind her that even if she isn't concerned about her own health, she owes better care to the little one who's totally dependant on her right now. Tell DH you are in serious need of pampering, coddling, and a foot massage.

Judi, that would never work with my mother (who has TWO stents and still categorically denies she had a heart attack). She doesn't beleive in doctors. Didn't when we were kids, doesn't now. Which totally explains why hubs is the one with all the happy drugs, and I haven't bothered calling Dr. Feelgood for some of my own!
Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 8:37pm EDT
What everyone else said! Jeez, some kids! (mine included)

Now get yourself some pampering.
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Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 8:19pm EDT
Poor Jamie. Whatever the day of the week they are, Mondays suck.

And YAY for Jill and good sailing weather! And Ken, I popped in on that article to see what Beth was talking about. They really don't know who they tangled with, do they. I was furious beyond words when his link for "libertarian" led to the John Locke thing, instead of the actual party link. Dicks.

Yes, I've had a nap. The wine is chilling and the mood is improving.

OK, brands. If you hadn't guessed, I'm the one Sia was drinking with during the discussion (and a lively one it was!) I've never directly influenced branding campaigns, but I've implemented enough of them to know a thing or two.

I told Sia that based on the colors of her web site, her clan shield, and her cute kilted dude, I would assume she writes Highlanders. Well, her contemporary DOES have a guy with a Celtic background and plays in a pipe band, so that kinda works. A modern Highlander, though to go with the brand she's got going, she might consider playing up that angle.

I pointed out how Judi's web site goes so well with her Fairy Tales brand. Fun colors and fonts, a "Fun Stuff" link, etc. Everything says light, humorous, romantic, fun.

Beth's website is a totally different feel, and a different brand. Straightforward, soothing colors, nothing extraneous. Reserved. A little bit of restrained flair. This would tell me that here's a no-nonsense editor who's also going to be direct and straight with me, a bit playful, without being harsh or intrusive. It's a great branding feel.

Lisa doesn't look like she has her website up yet, but I've seen a beta version. She stole my colors, but in a totally different way. Hers is black and red, but with a sort of sunray background. I would expect from that to find her books have a much harder edge than Judi's--the colors and setup would tell me that. Red/yellow/black = thriller set in China. Blue and floaty = fairy tale romance.

OK, now to pick on Jamie. Er, Olivia Cunning. I really like the lilies, and the font, and it's wonderful for an erotic writer. IF that writer was writing Victoria's Secret type erotica. Corsets and petticoats type stuff. But rock star erotica? Nope. Sorry, Jamie, but the brand is out of synch with your work. It's a beautiful web site. I just don't think it creates a good brand for you.

Think about that black and white photo you have, those hard angles and edges. Now think of that against maybe a purple background. Maybe some acid green. The first series (because I know you'll have many more!) is SINNERS on tour. Sinners and lilies don't match (unless you're me, but that's a different sort of Lily!). Your target audience is going to skew younger. Harder-edged. Lilies can be a good logo (brand) for you, but think Tiger lilies instead of oriental lilies. Something wild and uncultivated and untamed. The pastels just aren't saying "SINNERS ON TOUR!!!"

I don't mean to pick on you. I haven't even established my own brand yet. But I'm betting, from what you know about me and the kind of stuff I write, exactly what my brand would look like and what some of the elements will be!

I also like that Judi has a "tag", a logo that covers all her stories, no matter what they are. Fairy tales with a twist. I'm working on the same kind of thing. I used to use "Sin so hot it sizzles", but that sounded too erotica for me. Now I'm thinking more along the lines of "Out of the dark, into the fire", since all my characters have broken, dark pasts, and are tempered in the fires I put them through.

As Sia and I were reminded when this topic came up at the writer's conference, you can't have books about murder and mayhem on a pink website with kitties!
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:27pm EDT
wow, Pat. I like your analysis (and not just b/c my site fits) but you've got a great grasp on this. And I love "out of the dark, into the fire" for you. You can go a lot of places with that, but we're going to get dark and tortured. And you'll get to use your flames.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 8:28pm EDT
Thank you, Judi. Yeah, I've worked on a lot of campaigns, company start-ups, company name/brand changes, etc. I'm not an artist, but I inherited artistic sensibilities that let me know whether or not things "mesh". And really glad you like the logo idea. Yeah. Flames.
Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 8:40pm EDT
I loved your detailed explanation of things. You made it very easy to understand and I think, even easier to implement. You're the real deal girl.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 8:55pm EDT
Thank you, Wanda! Glad you found something useful in my meanderings!
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:57pm EDT
Pat, we did have a lively discussion. The workshop did mention how important the use of color is to set a mood in accord with what you write.

Great analysis and reasons, btw.

Pat did make me realize my brand for my blog might not work for what I want to write. Made me do some thinking which is in part, why I wrote this article. A filtering, if you will, in my head.
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Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 8:27pm EDT
Of course, Lisa will appreciate it if I take this moment to remind KEN that he needs website that incorporates all of his totally cool brands. Each has their own feel, but they can come under one umbrella. But he needs a web site. LOL!
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Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 8:29pm EDT
We have the tsunami warning here. We are at particular danger here due to the shape of our bay. We're the site of the 1964 tsunami, did horrible damage and killed a few, too.

Our house isn't close to the harbor so we're out of danger. But I do worry about all the boats in the harbor, lots of folks making their living from fishing and crabbing around here. I'm keeping a good thought. We'll know more starting about 9 tonight, PDT.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:36pm EDT
Sounds scary, Wanda. Stay safe!
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:41pm EDT
be safe, Wanda!
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 9:01pm EDT
Oh, Wanda! That's some seriously scary stuff! I'll be sending good thoughts your way, and keeping an eye on the news. Stay safe, sweetie!
Sherrie Super Sep 29, 2009, 11:16pm EDT
Oh geeze, Wanda, that's scary! You take care of yourself!
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Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:30pm EDT
I'll work on that brand thing in my "free time", Pat. My other website has been abandoned, as well. I think I have a while until my release date though.

Yes, I'm grading papers. 40 down, 360 to go. groan.....
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:37pm EDT
how do you have so many papers already? 400 students? Ugh! That's a lot of time, Jamie!
Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 8:44pm EDT
Lordy 400?? wow. I'd help if I could. But then how would I know if the answers were right or not??? I didn't take any of these courses.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 9:03pm EDT
OMG, Jamie. 400??? And at least you HAVE a website, and the mad skills to make one, which puts you way, way ahead of me! And I suspect you might need that site sooner than you think. Sinners is a totally great concept and some bright editor is going to grab it up!
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Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 8:39pm EDT
Jamie, check out the website for Avenged Sevenfold (it's the only name of a rock band you like that I could remember--I think my eyes are bleeding now). Anyway, that whole angelic/demon thing they have going on works. The ladies screaming in the audience are YOUR audience. They need to get that same hard-edged, heart-thumping, rythm and vibe from Olivia's web site.
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Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:44pm EDT
I'm not disagreeing, Pat.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:44pm EDT
Just busy.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:45pm EDT
But if you'd like to help grade some papers.... :-)
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 9:04pm EDT
I'd help if I could. Everyone would get an automatic "C". Saves time. Enourages the dullards and spurs the bright ones to work even harder!
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:46pm EDT
Had to share:

UCLA STUDY

A study conducted by UCLA's Department of Psychiatry has revealed
that the kind of face a woman finds attractive on a man can differ
depending on where she is in her menstrual cycle.

For example: If she is ovulating, she is attracted to men with
rugged and masculine features.

However, if she is menstruating, or
menopausal, she tends to be more attracted to a man with duct tape
over his mouth and a spear lodged in his chest while he is on fire.

No further studies are expected.
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:47pm EDT
Oh, SPEW ALERT.

Sorry.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 8:51pm EDT
Thanks, I needed that, though students are now wondering why I'm laughing a choking while grading their papers. :-)
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 8:54pm EDT
tell them the papers are so bad you're trying not to cry.

That'll get them worrying.
Pat S. Sep 29, 2009, 9:05pm EDT
Yes, I always found this to be very true. At my age, though, I'm attracted to men who don't laugh when all my bones creak when I stand up.
Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:09pm EDT
I nearly swallowed my sugar free popsicle whole when I got to the end of this darned thing! You suckered me right in Judi!!! But jeez a Spew Alert would have ruined it. LOL
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 9:01pm EDT
So You Think You Can Dance is in Atlanta this evening. I like this show.
Rand Phares Sep 29, 2009, 9:29pm EDT
My wife and daughter are watching it in another room. For most of these kids, it will be So You Thought You Could Dance, But You Can't, So Go Find Something Else To Do.
Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 9:31pm EDT
Nothing like having your dream crushed on national television.
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Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 9:22pm EDT
120 papers graded now. I need a break. Off to examine the lab. Just 'cuz.
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 9:29pm EDT
serious ick factor. And wrong. Just so wrong.
Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 9:36pm EDT
And sad. So many lives damaged here.
~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 11:15pm EDT
Sorry, just because you were abused in your youth is no reason to become a predator. As far as I'm concerned it was a choice he made and he should fry for it. I've personally worked with victims of people like him and have seen first hand, the damage--as Jamie mentioned.

He'll be 78 when he finishes his first 15 years so 25 more is excessive? WTF? He deserves consideration, why? I had my way with people like this, there would be no life in prison. There would be no life, period. They gave up that right when they set a repeated pattern of abuse. This is a bit of a soapbox for me, incase you can't tell. But I've seen the far reaching damage that one person can visit on many victims. Call me cold hearted, but if a 4 legged rabid predator was destroying lives, I'd put them down in a heartbeat.

*stepping down off my soapbox
Rand Phares Sep 29, 2009, 11:41pm EDT
Amen.
Wendy C. Sep 29, 2009, 11:42pm EDT
Excessive? As if Mr. teen-lust can turn his life around. Ugh, just Ugh.
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Judi F. Sep 29, 2009, 9:43pm EDT
Thank you, Wombatti, for such lovely comments on my blog for the winner of IOHH.
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James R. Sep 29, 2009, 10:04pm EDT
Hi wombats. Fast pace of comments so far.

Wendy, so sorry to hear about your friend. There are days when we'd just like to rewind the tape.

Sia, branding is important these days and not just for writers. With the web and social networks, we each have an external identity (i.e. brand) which we shape in everything we do that is public and visible. I note that there's a lot of discussion about writers having a platform from which to address their audience. That's one reason I re-cast my blog earlier this year to focus more on writing and travel and split off my business writing over to the company blog.

As Beth noted, it's pretty hard to have a writer's brand without being published, though my brand of writing should be familiar to the wombats by now. I like books that make the reader think and move freely across boundaries. I love travel and like to describe those different places and bring them to life for a reader. My two novels are very different from each other, but probably both fit the eclectic brand I've described.
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James R. Sep 29, 2009, 10:07pm EDT
And one more day of end of quarter madness at my company. I'm looking forward to that being over.

Time to take a peek at the latest DB entries.
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~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 10:08pm EDT
Sorry to be such a bad hostess. I was at a volleyball game with Jake.

I got my new care late this afternoon! Yay!

Of course I had to take it for a spin, then pulled over to make sure I knew how all the cazillion buttons works. God help me if the computer ever goes down in this car. Lord, I actually have a screen that tells me the pressure in each tire, how old my oil is? Something else warms my seat before I get in the car--who knew?--remotely starts my car, and a whole bunch of things I'm still learning.

Designed by KIT? I'm just waiting for the damn thing to pull out the turbos or guns, send and electrical shock for errant birds or impolite people who lean on the damn thing oh, and washing itself would be a plus. Must investigate the owner's Manuel...I'm sure there's a button somewhere...

Now I need to read up thread to see what I've missed.

Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:18pm EDT
Congrats on the new car. I think it sounds spectacular! Gotta love those warm seats.
Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 1:07am EDT
Many congrats on the new wheels! What is it? And yes, that's what I miss having an old car. It doesn't do anything cool.
~Sia McKye~ Sep 30, 2009, 3:00am EDT
2007 Chevy Impala. Rides smooth. O'course, I do like convertibles, but not practical for me. I did see some snazzier cars and they were either out of my price range, or too small with kid and dogs. *shrugging, oh well. If I can catch mine dancing or electrifying birds and people, I'll try to catch it on film, lol!
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James R. Sep 29, 2009, 10:29pm EDT
Woo-hoo on the new car, Sia. Just be nice to it; sounds like this vehicle is way too smart. Congrats.
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Jamie C. Sep 29, 2009, 10:33pm EDT
I'd be afraid of a car smarter than I am. :-) Congratulations, Sia!
John Philipp Sep 30, 2009, 5:59am EDT
I don't think you have to worry, Jamie.
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Paul Allen Leoncini Sep 29, 2009, 10:54pm EDT
I don't know, Sylvia, whatever it is, it isn't any-good?

~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 11:18pm EDT
It's wonderful Paul. I haven't had a new car in 15 years and this one is an '07 and it is smart. 15 years ago, they didn't have all these bells and whistles in your average car, lol!
Paul Allen Leoncini Sep 30, 2009, 1:19am EDT
Ahem. I was answering your question on brands, silly. Congratulations on your smart car -- Smart car dance~~~
~Sia McKye~ Sep 30, 2009, 2:56am EDT
Ah, I see said the blind woman preoccupied with her smart car instead of article content, lolol!

Paul, I'd say you have a brand. Your body of work is distinct.
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Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:05pm EDT
Bill just asked me what my brand is. LOL I told him I don't have a brand yet. I've got to have actually finished a book before I can identify a brand... and maybe not then. I'm thinking that it's harder to create a brand when one is starting out. Maybe when I have a couple of books under my belt I'll know better what my brand will be. It'll be easier to identify my voice as well.

So I'm really working on my WIP. I'm going to do Nano too and by golly this year I'm going to win it!
Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 1:08am EDT
Yes, Wanda, you ARE going to win it! We'll be challenging you every day!
Wanda H. Sep 30, 2009, 2:24am EDT
I need it Pat! A good swift kick in the posterier(sp?) is the medicine, oh yeah, and some encouragment too. I'm determined to move right along.
Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 9:57am EDT
Wanda, the trick is to NOT think of it as 50,000 words. You only have to write 1,667 words. Every day. It's the "every day" that's the hard part, especially with Thanksgiving in there, but you can do it!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Sep 29, 2009, 11:12pm EDT
Mine = "existential suspense." Whatever that means.

Thanks for the kind words on my website, Pat. I think it's awesome! It should be going live pretty soon.
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Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:17pm EDT
Wendy I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. Words just fail sometimes.
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Sherrie Super Sep 29, 2009, 11:18pm EDT
I'm brandless. Dang!
Wanda H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:20pm EDT
Me too Sherrie. But it's nice to see you. If I think back to your fortune telling story I think you might find a brand in there somewhere.
Sherrie Super Sep 29, 2009, 11:29pm EDT
Nice to see you too, Wanda! I think I'm still finding my way. Illegal Fortunes was my first novel. If I had to do it over, there's a few things I'd do differently. Maybe the brand would change. Food for thought!
Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 10:03am EDT
Mystery and humor, Sherrie. From what I've seen, that's what you do best. Wildly funny characters, mixed with lots of heat. Comic contemporary romance. Check out the web site for Sandra Hill. This is how I see you and your brand. Then again, only you can decide. But I think this would fit you. Plus, you could add that whole fortune telling aspect!
~Sia McKye~ Sep 30, 2009, 12:52pm EDT
Yah, that fits. I love Sandra Hill's books. Similar Sherrie. Just sayin'
Sherrie Super Sep 30, 2009, 10:34pm EDT
Oooh, I'll have to check out Sandra Hill's books now. Thanks for the scoop!
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~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 11:21pm EDT
Wendy, what a rough day you've had sweetie! Sending you lots of warm hugs and selections out of my special chocolate stash.
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~Sia McKye~ Sep 29, 2009, 11:22pm EDT
Wow, it took me some time to get through all the comments and now that I've caught up, I have to leave again and do righteous battle with the blog gods, lol! Be back soon.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Sep 29, 2009, 11:29pm EDT
Wendy, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. That's just awful.
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Beth H. Sep 29, 2009, 11:38pm EDT
Lots of cool stuff here tonight. Pat, you certainly gave your analysis a lot of thought. Cool. And thanks. Sia, congrats on the car! I wonder what Jill is doing? Jamie, when do you have to be done with the 400? Certainly you get some time, yes?

Guess I need to read the newest DB entries. I hope everyone is playing. You know that Ken's unveiling is going to have us pulling our hair out. I've been highly entertained so far.
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Wendy C. Sep 29, 2009, 11:51pm EDT
Evening all, DH is actually home and awake. HooYah!

Ladies, trust me when I say I gave DD no quarter for missing that appointment. As I ladled on the guilt with unwavering glare, she flushed red and started to giggle. The giggle she does from being overly nervous. For extra measure I reminded her that she was the center of my universe and she needed to stop shaking my world. Yeah, she's calling them in the morning and then calling me. Cocks a brow. Never mess with a mom!

Tomorrow will be better. Don't say anything, I need to believe that.

Sia woot on the new care, is that like a new car?

Lots of stuff to comment on and I'm exhausted. Beaker good to see your icon. Sherrie! two days in a row, what an honor!

Hugs all around. This too shall pass.
Pat S. Sep 30, 2009, 1:10am EDT
Yes, Wendy, that's what you need to think about. I'm the original Scarlett. Tomorrow WILL be a better day!
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Beth H. Sep 30, 2009, 12:00am EDT
I mentioned this back a thread or two, but I can recommend How Not to Write a Novel by Howard Mittelmark and Sandra Newman. Entertaining in such a way that you'll remember what they talk about. I'm also enjoying Bill Bryson's Dictionary for Writers and Editors. Fun to just sit and read. Sometimes it's the perfect time for a new reference book.
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