Earlier today on my BABY is a FAKE post about my 11month old fake crying, someone said she doesn't think babies are people until age 5 and that they aren't cute, her personal and professional opinion. She is free to have her opinions but on this subject I completely disagree.
That's fine for her but I think that my 11month old is a person and my 5 year old was a person when he was 4, 3, 2, 1. My own personal opinion. Just because babies can't vocalize doesn't mean they aren't people. I find that extremely insensitive. I don't expect everyone to think my kid is cute but to think all babies are not people is ridiculous, what are they then, BLOBS???
Do you think babies are people???
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Comments: 161 ( 7 removed by Lady of Lake Merritt =P )
Then, all babies are individual people. All four of my kids had different personalities and temperments from the time they were born.
She's entitled to her opinion.
She doesn't have to think that babies are cute in general, or that your babies are cute in particular, of that they're people.
It's just her opinion.
We do get to have our opinions and disagree, right?
Spencer T. Sep 28, 2009, 6:41pm EDT
No body is challenging your sisters opinion. ***** simply stated "HER" opinon yet she is being treated as if she threatened someone. This article was written with malice and it is wrong. Your sister has the same right as anyone else to an opinion yet she has cast a not so pleasant shadow on another because she did not agree with her.
More trustworthy than most "big" people.
lol jk amy :P
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William is nervous around little ones. He likes to watch them play but up close he is not use to them anymore.
I should hope only doctors(and other health care providers such as dentists) have patients,whether they are screaming infants and toddlers or not is irrelevant. Some adult patients are worse than children!
I've heard several men who admitted they didn't want to have anything to do with their own children until they reached 10 or 12 years old. I've just always pitied them, they miss so much!
A minister once told me that I treated my children like adults. I gave my children choices from toddler on. I explained things to them. I expected them to behave, encouraged them to think, respected their space. A mother called me once and complained that my daughter took a message instead of ending her telephone call so I could talk to her. It never occurred to me that my chit chat was more important than my child's. I could wait my turn.
So, no question that I think even infants are people. I've talked to 4 and 5 year olds with good grasp of some ideas that some adults have trouble understanding.
they are people and have personalities, you can see independence, playfulness, imagination etc.
Your children will be lucky and blessed that you know that.
My grandbaby is a total charachter at 9 months and has already engineering skills~he stacks pillows when he wants to reach something he shouldn't be reaching and can open any handle~
I saw no where that you stated she was too educated...strange...
Mom was right.
hey don't get ugly 'til; they're about 14
Kristi Cafemom Sep 28, 2009, 4:37pm EDT
My kids are both under 5 and I find them to be immensely cute. In fact I couldn't even become mad at them when they broke our big screen TV because they're just so darn cute!
And this next one may come as a shock to ********, but they both have their OWN Personalities. Having personalities must confirm that they are in fact people.
Oh and I fly with my kids all the time. I also get complimented on how well behaved they are.
Linda T. Sep 28, 2009, 5:02pm EDT
*******'s statements have a bit of truth behind them. Manipulation is a learned action and babies can learn to manipulate their parents. This is not malicious on their parent it is a natural response. An example would be the baby whose parents pick him up at every sign of distress. The child is taught to expect this action and when it ceased they do not respond well.
Fake crying is a learned action. Evan has seen that crying gets attention so he tried to copy the crying which many of us find to be cute. He has learned that doing this action gets a positive response. He is far too young to try to use this as a ploy to get his way.
Some people do believe babies are not as important as grown adults. Generations ago it was common for people to believe that newborns could not see or understand things but studies have proved that theory to be wrong.
Babies are not all cute. Beauty is subjective. For me the beauty of a child is not so much in their looks as it is in their innocence. It is their capacity to see the wonder and joy in life that makes them precious.
Lisa Frost Sep 28, 2009, 5:00pm EDT
Lady, we have always gotten along, but I think you have let your problems with extremists make you too defensive. *********disagreed with you. The tone of your article is negative, whether you intended it to be or not. You disconnecting because she doesn't think crying babies or babies in general are cute is a little extreme. She was not hurling personal insults, just responding to your article with her opinion as you had asked. Time, circumstance and viewpoint make a difference in many things. Hopefully you will come to see that eventually. Hugs and Blessings
Spencer T. Sep 28, 2009, 4:38pm EDT
Your response to ***********confuses me. Because she does not see babies as cute nor as persons till they are 5 years old you charge her with "NOT" being nice especially to those who are suppose to be your friend? Can you please explain that so I am clear. Because her opinion is not in agreement with yours you are saying she is not being nice? Is that what I am to understand? I was under the impression that we are allowed our own opinions and I had no idea our friendship depended on our opinions being in agreement. Would you rather her just say what you prefer her to say instead of being honest about what she thinks? Personally I feel you are the one being not nice.
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Lady of Lake Merritt ... Sep 28, 2009, 4:58pm EDT
not just to that post, there have been other times where i felt she was rude. and she is completely free to her opinion as you are to yours, thanks for your comment
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Spencer T. Sep 28, 2009, 5:31pm EDT
I am trying to find where she is rude. Is it rude because she does not agree with your opinion?
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Angela K. .. Sep 28, 2009, 5:42pm EDT
not trying to argue, but who made her the authority of 5 years old is the age you become a people, LOL
I have never met a child who I did not think of as a person as soon as they were born, others may say in the womb.....
I thought she came across as condiscending and preachy....we have serious post, political post, etc...this was a funny share my child with you post....at least that was MY take on it..it appears that was Lady of Lake's intention.
Shadie, I really don't know what you mean by riding the woman's post. I stumbled on this post and was appalled by the way it was presented. To attack another because she does not fall into the same opinion you do certainly let me see why this country is having the sort of troubles it is. I didn't see where she called anyone out of their names nor did she try to convence you to think like she does yet she is being vilified. That shows a brazen disregard for others opinions and from what I can tell by some of the comments apparently some of you hold your opinions about their children as if they were gods. What makes you so sure how she felt about her children? Did you or anyone ask her? Or am I to believe by what you said you are sure of what she thought that you read minds?
Yep, annoying little humans...thank goodness they can't type yet, they be here on Gather.
(all said in sarcasm)....maybe
Well, personally, I think zygotes are people.........
But no I think all babies are cute and are human.
If you have ever lost a child you wouldnt feel that way.
I have plenty of other babies in this world to love and spoil.
There are plenty of babies to love.
They were little people who needed my support and guidance, other than that, they are just as normal as GROWN people.
When Katie was born, right after delivery, the nurse laid her on my chest and she looked right up at me and smiled. I called her name and she wiggled like an inch to get close to my voice.
I have always talked to Katie like she was a 'regular person' and she spoke very early, walked at 7 months by herself and has always been beautiful. I turned down catalog jobs for her a few times b/c I didn't want to feel like a 'paper doll.'
I have nannied for several families for kids of every age and always have treated them like regular people... after all... they are!
And, I have a degree in early childhood education.... did you know that a child's personality is 'set' by the time they are age 2?
Some human babies are cutie-patooties at birth and they are the very lucky ones. I am happy to say my babies were very lucky. :-) What can I say? They came from good stock. LMAO :-p
i am sooooo looking forward to my first grand baby to be born in about 3 months.....
i just know she will be beautiful forever and ever... God bless