In the political extremes, right and left, the Fascist seems opposite the Socialist, and the National Socialist (Nazi) is opposite the Communist. I know that is over simplified, and if the nuances of each system are examined carefully, the final outcome of any one of the four is satisfactory, so long as the power each grants is not misused.
In the Fascist system, so long as the corporate power is benign, every thing works well. The trains run on time, but the passengers are late. In a Socialist system, so long as the government is benign, things work well. The trains are late and the passengers are on time. That’s the real reason I like Socialism. Everyone gets on the train, even the people who show up after the scheduled departure time. If I were obsessively punctual I would be a Fascist. Waiting for those slovenly lazy do nothing liberals would piss me off no end.
America’s medical insurance system is clearly Fascist. It is the very definition of Fascism. Health insurance has nothing to do with productivity, hours of work, pay per unit produced or any of the other measures of what provides profitability for a corporation. Most medical insurance policies are provided not by the employee, but the employer. The boss holds your medical security in HIS hands, and you are at his mercy. That is Fascism for sure.
Medical Insurance is a product. As such it is not proper compensation for gainful employment. That is equivalent to being paid with rations, clothing and shelter. The Farmer pays for the Veterinarian because the farmer OWNS the horse. If the company pays for your doctor it means the company OWNS you. If you are fine with that, medical insurance as compensation for work is your choice.
If you value liberty above temporary safety, and you should, you will reject company insurance in favor of the money it costs your boss. Do that, and you can change jobs any time it is necessary without losing insurance coverage for as much as a micro second, assuming of course that you use the money the boss pays you to buy the policy. You can even get sick, lose your job for absenteeism, and still have insurance. You do have to continue paying your premiums. Cobra laws are supposed to cover that contingency, but if you do lose and then find work, the new company is going to replace the old insurance, and you just started over. OH, I forgot, when you lose your job, the company stops paying you.
So, if you value security, and will surrender a little liberty to get it, stick with the Fascist. But, what do you do when he STOPS paying for your medical insurance, and does not START paying you enough to buy your own? Or worse, what happens, as often does, you work only part time, or have two jobs, one for the insurance, and a part time job to pay for the fun things.
A frustrated man I know wanted a good fishing boat, took on a part time job to pay for it. He bought a very nice boat on credit. By the time he could retire from the part time job and go fishing he had lost interest in fishing. So, he sold the boat. It had been in the water for eight hours in it’s five years of life. Just long enough to foul the carburetors on the outboard. The boat sat so long it would not start. The loss was extreme.
The point of that otherwise pointless story is this. Living life requires time to live it as well as enough money to pay the costs. Medical insurance is no fun at all, but it’s a necessity for those inevitable times when the doctor needs to be consulted, and the medication needs to be taken. So, you can depend on your boss, Fascism, or you can depend on government Socialism. Or you can pay your own way, INDEPENDENCE.
As I read the legislation, and hear the debate, I find three common threads. One, employer provided medical insurance at employer or shared expense. Two, individual purchase under an exchange for those who need independence. Those who are self employed professionals, small contractors, people who work for small contractors, and those who work at jobs that do not offer company medical insurance. Then the third option. The liberal Democrats, in their foolhardy efforts to give the government the power of life and death over everyone, what to provide a Public Option. A plan that anyone can buy into with premiums based on economic means, that would provide good coverage to the people who would otherwise have to take on part time jobs to go with their full time jobs to pay for their medical insurance.
This is what I hear from President Obama and the Democrats who support his plan. A mix of options.
Employer provided, if you can get it, and want to give your employer that kind of power. And what most of us have today.
Individually provided, with a couple of provisions to guarantee it is available and affordable. For those who are willing to pay a private company for coverage, and have the price.
And the public option for the population that is otherwise unable to get insurance, or wants to have a really secure medical insurance plan. This last option is being heavily attacked. It is, according to many, a thinly veiled strategy to take over all medical insurance. It may be that, one thing is for sure the public option would insure the working poor.
I have a problem with the major argument against the public option. It will not be mandatory except as a last resort. If you do not take a private policy out, you will be put in the public option pool and pay a premium. BUT the argument is that it will replace all private insurance in short order.
Why would it do that? It is not intended to replace all private medical insurance. It is intended to insure only the uninsured, and the premiums will means tested. There is an upper limit, probably about the same as a good medical policy costs now, and there is government subsidy for people in a low income range to be determined and adjusted according to the poverty rate. So, if you make 50 grand a year, and have a family of four, you would pay a premium equal to equivalent Individual Insurance. If the same family is making 25 thousand, the premium would be half the full premium. I do not think that is going to close down many insurance companies. It will make them work hard at keeping costs to a minimum so they can profit at the government premium rate, and if the government decides to cheat, and cut premiums below a break even point, the insurers would have a legitimate gripe. But till they face that consequence they do not have that gripe.
We need to pass a reform bill. Virtually everyone agrees to that. We need to provide medical insurance to the working poor, temporarily unemployed, and the debilitated. We need to get moving on this issue, and the President’s offer to compromise should not mean kill the Public Option, It should mean make the Public Option work so consumers and providers of both medical insurance and medicine benefit. And so they prosper from their good works. And all the plans need to be sustainable.
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If I understand you right. A government program that covers everyone IF THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE IT along with Private insurance IF they want it. The private insurance companies would have to lower their prices and adjust their policies in order to compete.
I think that is a good idea. It is also just about what one of the bills in Congress states. Hopefully in the end that is what will happen.
Nosir, opting out is not just a self-risk. It's a public health risk, and we need to protect ourselves from it. To do otherwise is foolhardy.
Chuck L, As I understand it, the foolhardy will have two choices. They either get a medical insurance policy from the "free market," or they get a policy from the government and PAY for it. The taxpayer will pick up the tab for people with incomes below a specified amount, but the rest of us will pay for insurance. I don't know how the people who are foolhardy are going to be corralled, but, the last time I checked MANDATORY MEANT MANDATORY.
Well then that is their problem.
Van Jones was a Czar, an adviser to the head of the EPA. NOW, what do those people do? The come up with regulations to implement legislation in a way that will accomplish the intent of the legislation. And George, there have been ASSISTANTS TO THE SECRETARIES, AND ASSISTANTS TO THE ASSISTANTS TO THE SECRETARIES SINCE BEFORE THERE WAS A USA.
No, Colonel... it's OUR problem. It's our problem now, and it'll be our problem then, IF your philosophy in this matter carries the day (Karl, that last is to clear up an earlier misunderstanding... I KNOW what Mandatory means.
First, since I always arrive early, usually a half hour, I must be a futurist.
Second, I place rights opposite of restrictions, so making medical insurance cover another single person is of no consequence to my goal of cheaper health care. A properly regulated group of health care providers will not bankrupt our citizens, which is something the rest of the world enjoys already.
Third, the purchase of health care insurance is not something I ever intend to do. Sure, if insurance is cheaper than the fine for not having it, I will buy it, but that does seem like a remote possibility. By requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, and not dropping anyone either, the premiums, and amounts you have to pay yourself will go up.
Fourth, no plan put forward so far, by anyone, will cause people without insurance to buy it.
Fifth, as with any political scheme to cover everyone, the cost goes up, and compromise bills cover fewer, and fewer, additional people.
Sixth, if the debate had focused on capitalism, on one side, and welfare on the other, we would have been more honest about what we are doing. It would not change the outcome, however.
So, cut the costs. If more people buy insurance, great, if they don't, fine.
Pay the fine, or get health insurance, that is the choice, and both will be legal.
Starting in 2013.
Do you know which will be cheaper? I don't.
How many in the 20-30's can afford that? All fairly healthy people....
I would like to earn enough to worry about $950, someday.
It should be a job given to the plan administrators. The reason the Start date is four years off is the need to put all the random bureaucracies in place.
I like the whole idea of not lining the insurance industries pockets, but we will see. One or the other will be cheaper.
include that Dem. Senator Baucus bill.
Without a public option there is no chance of reduction of costs.
That includes that insurance pool concept. The mandatory money for insurance will all go to the insurance companies.
They are still going to be very expensive, they will continue to delay payment to the doctors and hospitals, they will continue to hold up treatment and payment.
The Republicans will not allow much regulation .
Wage and price controls will cap profit margins, but will not subsidize anyone.
If you want to talk about extending coverage, by subsidies, that is the public option. If you want to talk about regulation, that is wage and price controls. There are no wage and price controls currently in the bill.
So, I'm a slave to my employer with no choices. I can't afford to pay for coverage on my own. Where are all these choices everyone says we're going to lose?
Understand this, if this is your plan, the money your boss pays for health insurance, plus your copay, will not go more than half-way to buy you a single-user policy, individual OR family.
Do you know what the "exchange" proposal encompasses?
That is a state wide pool of individuals, bundled into a group for the specific purpose of obtain group, rather than individual health insurance policies.
We do exchanges with auto insurance without even thinking about it. YOU do get checked individually for driving record. BUT you get auto insurance.
The Republicans are caught in a catch-22, they support the exodus, but can't admit the cost increase if it happens.
But under NO circumstances are they willing to allow a public opiton.
Free up the employers, enrich the insurers.
This trend will snowball soon.
The future bill will be to deal with this problem, since Congress can't politically prevent the problem from happening.
Janice J.
I am blushing. Now, you have to tell EVERYONE that you are not one of my children, grandchildren or great grand children.
Heh heh heh
1. the Republicans will get to say that they prevented the "worst spending ever", take the bribes from the insurance companies to make sure that nothing gets done and be happy.
2. The Democrats will be able to say they tried everything they could but "you see it couldn't be done", take the bribes from the insurance companies to make sure that nothing gets done and be happy.
3. The Insurance companies get to charge more money for less and be happy.
So you see everyone will be happy. After all, we are not a country with a social conscience. No matter what church, synagogue, temple or mosque you go to. We are all for ourselves and to hell with everybody else.