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by Chuck L.
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January 19, 2009

OK, I give up! No Socialist Medicine for America. In fact…

September 07, 2009 09:19 AM EDT (Updated: September 07, 2009 09:59 AM EDT)
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We need to abolish ALL Socialism in the USA!

Let’s start with the DOT! We’ll…

  • Cease to collect federal highway taxes and return to the days of private Turnpikes and subscription local roads – and no standards to meet, of course
  • Cease to collect airlines taxes and exise taxes to fund airports, allowing the airlines to fund their own airport maintenance and expan… um-m-m-m-m… what WILL they be able to do? That pesky governmental Eminent Domain thing isn’t there to help them any more. Certainly no NEW airports, unless the airlines come up with the cash for that LAST piece of land.
  • Cease to fund railro… Oh, wait… we already DID that. How’s that been workin’ out for us?
  • Cease to fund municipal mass transit efforts… which will have great impact everywhere, except, of course, for the Detroit Metropolitan Area, where the Auto Companies have destroyed every effort to create any effective non-automobile-based transportation system

Next, we’ll move to Fire and Police. We’ll

  • Cease to fund Municipal Departments and return to Subscription funding of Police and Fire Departments
  • Watch our homes burn because our neighbor lost his job and couldn’t keep up the subscription.

And we surely don’t need the Department of Health and Human Services (or the CDC or FDA). They do nothing but hold up the process of getting drugs into the market, and (according to the Moonbat Right), infect us with disease under the guise of vaccinations.

While we’re at it, let’s dump the EPA. What good could a National approach to environmental policy POSSIBLY do us? I could tell yiou, but you don’t deserve to know.

And nobody needs a Department of Energy. There’s never been any indication that a coherent policy on energy development or transmission might be of value. Er-r-r-r… is it just me, or did it suddenly get dark in here?

Certainly the Department of Education can be done without. Look at their most recent effort… they tried to sneak the President of the United States into our nation’s CLASSROOMS – can you IMAGINE?

Lessee, now… what have we forgotten? *drumming fingers – staring off into space* Wait… I know! The military – we forgot the MILITARY! PURE socialism. We’re all forced to pay for two kinds of ground forces, two navies and an air force (plus the air arms of all the other forces), whether we want to or not. They are the employer of last resort, and they’re used to bribe Congress by building war machinery in their districts to give THEIR constituents jobs.

We are forced to send our children to die in deserts and swamps, no matter our opinion of the exercise, and to add insult to injury by being forced to pay for it ourselves with our taxes. And not only is the concept the epitome of Socialism, the military itself is pure Fascism. I know – I was there. Yep, if we’re gonna nip this Socialism thing in th’ bud, we surely need to add in, mebbe even start with…, th’ MILITARY!

Folks, States Rights arguments, or ANY "smaller unit of gov't" arguments, do NOT negate ANY of this.

© 2009 - All Rights Reserved R C Larlham

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Comments: 260 ( 1 removed by Chuck L. )

Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:27am EDT
We could just do away with the central government and return control back to the states like before we became the United States.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:35am EDT
I don't think you'vde thought your cunning plan all the way through. Everything up there still applies.
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:40am EDT
but the people would be able to control a state easier than big gov and have more say.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:06am EDT
Still socialistic. And have you tried "controlling" your state lately?
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:30am EDT
you're right there, our state has run amuck all on its own.
Debra C. Sep 7, 2009, 11:17am EDT
Run amok ... and you want a passport to cross state lines?
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 5:58pm EDT
That's right we'll have 50 countries not one country. How long before you think the invasions would start? Pennsylvania might invade Ohio. Maybe Cuba would invade Florida and make it part of their communist nation. Mexico could take Texas back. Sarah Palin could just look in her back yard to see Russia.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 9:02pm EDT
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
R.F. By the way who is exposing this anti-government propaganda. Oh big multi-national corporations who want to control us. You don't need wars you just indenture the working class & small businesses and never let them off the hook! Brain washing isn't just done by big governments! It can also be done by big companies just as well! Advertising! If some-one told them that their kids couldn't use the public bus to take their kids to their private schools, because it is only for the public schools, they would be up at arms, because they were paying for those buses with their taxes and should be able to use it too, there was a time, but at the same moment they are against allowing small businesses and individuals to use Medicare which is a Public/Private program to insure their workers. Last time I looked we all pay SSI and Medicare premiums out of our paychecks, pay a little more and be able to use it. But it is socialism, by who standards? Big multi-national insurance corporations! 30% margins, not repeat not 3.3% Based on 25 years of records by the folks who had to pay it our FEDERAL Government (CSPAN). You know half of Europe does have private provider insurance and everyone is insured, but the companies only make 6% just like the folks in Las Vegas. 6% of a very large number is a very large number! Good health care! But a competitive pool with a public option, not just one company playing shell games! Divide and conquer! They are playing this game one more time and some folks need to look hard and ask themselves? Am I for a United States of America?"I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG (OLD GLORY and not to some old southern great, great, grandson’s wished to be Confederate Flag!) OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! to the REPUBLIC (People governed without a King) FOR WHICH IT(OLD GLORY) STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISABLE (IS NOT DIVID AND CONQUER into little states WILL NEVER BE !!!!!) WITH LIBERTY AND JUST FOR ALL!!!!!! We fought one very bloody Civil War to keep UNITED and I will continue to remind some folks who have forgot their sacrifice, Gettysburg for one!
Some folks need to have paid attention in class.
Sorry about the preachy, but those who forget history pay for historys' lesson over and over. Have a nice day
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 10:05pm EDT
Thank you... I've had a luvly day. Your supportive post helped.
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Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:29am EDT
We would also have to do away with social security, medicare and medicade, and all wellfare. Those are the epidimy of socialisation
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:30am EDT
That would also include unemployment
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:49am EDT
Yep.. All of that... and then some.
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Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:47am EDT
Okay, Lets start with the Military. We have an all volunteer military now so we don't have to eliminate compulsary service. We can make a big difference by bringing home all our troops and have them protect our borders. Once home they would be able to fulfill their mission, Defence. It is more than foolish to have our troops maning over 700 military bases in over 130 countries.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:50am EDT
Doesn't change anything Colonel. The very concept of a National Military paid for by people who may or may not want to is a Socialistic concept.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:35am EDT
Maybe not bit it would certianly save a lot of money and keep the US out of the affairs of other nations.
Georgiana S. Sep 7, 2009, 6:45pm EDT
and all those 'lean mean fighting machine marines" could declare war on neighbouring states!
J. McDole - Gather's Anti-Beck Sep 7, 2009, 7:56pm EDT
I don't want my tax money to go to the military anymore. They've never even scooped my driveway. I had no help from them when I had a stalker for two years. And I pay their salaries, so they work for me. They're definitely going to have to go.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:19pm EDT
hey J, They military does not shovel driveways and they don't run down stalkers. You might try shoveling your own driveway of hireing some kid to do it and you might give the job of running down a stalker to the police, they know how to do it. No they don't work for you, they work for us, all of us.
J. McDole - Gather's Anti-Beck Sep 8, 2009, 7:30am EDT
Nope-tired of wasting my tax dollars. If I have to pay for them to take care of everyone-that's socialism. I won't stand for it.
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 8:53am EDT
Heh-heh...
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:12pm EDT
Nope-tired of wasting my tax dollars. If I have to pay for them to take care of everyone-that's socialism. I won't stand for it.

You're right J. ALL the socialism has got to go. No more water works, no more sewer systems. SOCIALISM!!! All of it. If I want clean water, I'll clean it myself or hire someone else to clean it. If I want to treat my sewage, I'll treat it. If I don't, to hell with my neighbors. They can treat it if they like. But they'll have to get my permission. I live on my land and I'll do whatever I want to with it. Anyone looking for a place to dump toxic waste? I'm tired of all you sniveling socialists and your COMMONLY owned roads. Buy your own damn road or buy the property you need and build your own. It's absolutely bizarre that I should have to help you worthless lazy welfare collecting socialist leeches. Space program? Why was the government EVER involved in this? Are we now going to accept illegal space aliens into this country?! Worse, are we building these space ships to actually give them a free trip to the USA so they can steal our money and send it back to Ort?
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 9:29pm EDT
You can thank the master socialist’s Thomas Jefferson, Louisiana Purchase, Ben Franklin, public Libraries, Socialist! Public Fire and Police departments, Public roads, Public Colleges, Oh not to forget Adams, Washington & Jefferson on the Colleges, Newspapers, post office, encouraging a US dictionary .Publically printed Money! Madison on the Public Museums. OH Washington Public Army and Public Navy. Oh those early Socialistic founding Father's! Socialist is just a name used to close minds to the positive things that a well run government does for us. Making us fear the only thing that protects us from the greedy men who would enslave US. Satyr and sarcasms oh what a way to put foolish thoughts to bed, I could just see the biggest socialist of them all Jesus Christ, handing over his shirt, wearing nothing, and saying “here, here go ahead and take this too!” to an unreasonable bill collector. How socialistic can one get!
Wyoming Catt (The Militant Midget) Sep 8, 2009, 11:32pm EDT
You're at the top of your game tonite, Rory.
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Chris B. Sep 7, 2009, 9:47am EDT
Hmmmm. A little anarchy might make some appreciate what the gov't does do right...
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:51am EDT
Well, you're on your own... Oh yeah - right.
Chris B. Sep 7, 2009, 9:57am EDT
Sarcasm is a beautiful thing, don't you know.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:05am EDT
Oh, I dunno... I'm usually not all that fond of it. And it's REALLY hard to do in writing. But sometimes...
David N. Sep 7, 2009, 12:10pm EDT
But sometimes we just mix taxes with ideas and confuse the hell out of everyone. Oh sure, I am with ya. I wonder if you are serving time as a politician?
Don't forget Chuck, we must do away with education as well.
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 8:54am EDT
Politician? Moi? Oh HELL no!
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Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:48am EDT
Totally agree, the Department of Education could be eliminated entirely. They are useless anyway.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:52am EDT
Certainly no point in nationally supporting universal education, is there? Go all private, and no standards, I say.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:37am EDT
Humm, I know of State Universities and Colleges but none that are Federal. What Nationally supported universities are you refering to?
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 11:03am EDT
Said nuthin' about universities, but let's cut off all federal aid to ALL levels of education.
EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:12am EDT
Gallaudet University is federally chartered.
EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:14am EDT
I wouldn't have gotten an education were it not for federal Pell grants.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:17am EDT
Chuck, good idea. Eliminate all federal aid to schools. That way they can't dictate what is taught.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:20am EDT
EM I like those federal Pell grants too. A pell grant does not dictate your subject matter and gives a break on the expenses of higher education. Pell grants go to the student, not the school.
J. McDole - Gather's Anti-Beck Sep 7, 2009, 7:59pm EDT
So what if your surgeon trained at Fifi's College for Towheads accidentally removes your liver instead of your appendix? Hey, it's the American way, right?
Donna Marie G. Sep 8, 2009, 8:51am EDT
Does V.M.I. count? It's state funded (which is government, too). All of this ought to make a lot of people stop and think. But... it won't!
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 8:55am EDT
Probably not, but...
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:23pm EDT
I'm with you all. Do away with state sponsored education. Kids should get their own education. I don't want to pay for some kid who is going to get hopped up on reefer. Why should I have to take that chance. This is all a bunch of crap. What made this country great? I'll tell you. It was people refusing to pull together in same direction. It was people that didn't give a damn about anyone else. It was our refusal to fight any wars because we didn't want to force anyone to have to join in any effort that would require anyone to do something someone else was doing in any coordinated way because that's socialism. This country was built be individuals doing anything they wanted without concern about anyone else.
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Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:53am EDT
EPA, what do they do? They get involved in the latest fad called Global Warming. Kick their behinds out.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:55am EDT
Absolutely! Let's go back to the days when the aerosols and ozone in the air followed me from Akron, Ohio to Washington DC. One solid, polluted, eye-burning inversion from Chicago to Washington, and from New York to Georgia.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:45am EDT
They blamed Ozone. Best study a little about ozone Chuck. They used to sell a machine that put ozone in the air to clean it. aerosols never put ozone in the air. It sounds to me like you had a case of dry eye.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 11:08am EDT
Colonel... Those machines just made nearby surfaces positively charged, so dust clung to 'em. We call the big ones Electrostatic Precipitators where I work. The household sized ones were a stupid idea, and they DIDN"T do what they said they did.

I never said aerosols MADE ozone... I said , "...aerosols AND ozone..." The NOx and SOx from fossil fuels make ozone at the lower level of the atmosphere (where we live), and ozone does a LOT worse than make you think you have dry-eye (which I didn't). This is MY field, Colonel... pick another fight.
David N. Sep 7, 2009, 12:18pm EDT
I figured Chuck, that you had something to sell, like Hairspray. Lets not fund science and Darpa and, of course you would be unemployed.
Dorothy H. Sep 7, 2009, 8:36pm EDT
Chuck wouldn't be unemployeed. He'd be in business for himself selling all that knowledge that no one else will get, except through people like him, cause the education funding was cut, and the schools were all closed.

He can charge huge bucks for that rare knowledge and skill.
David N. Sep 7, 2009, 9:12pm EDT
Ya, I would hunt him down myself for that extra peer knowledge. This man is a genius.
Col. George W. Sep 8, 2009, 2:30pm EDT
Jeannie, perhaps you didn't know. I am from Venus.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:26pm EDT
Like I said earlier, just send your toxic waste to my place and bring a bag of cash because any effort to control this stuff is socialism, pure and simple.
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 10:10pm EDT
I accidentally deleted this comment by Jeannie B (above the Colonel - without it, his comment makd=es no sense)

"Oh, Chuck! You know ozone is harmless; just ask anyone who lives on Venus. "
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 10:12pm EDT
Yeah, Jeannie, but it's the acid rain (pure sulfuric acid) that REALLY makes Venus a problem.
Col. George W. Sep 8, 2009, 11:03pm EDT
Ozone? Acid Rain? Hey you guys don't have the foggiest notion about Venus. Its a virtual paradise. It don't rain there the plants are watered by a mist that comes up from the ground every night.

One of the best parts of Venus is there are no Democrats.


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Jim G. Sep 7, 2009, 9:53am EDT
Great post, Chuck. Let's not forget bailing out the insurance, banks, auto companies & Wall St. Those free-market capitalists don't want us Socialsts to save them.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:56am EDT
Right Jim, the government should not bail them out of their self inflicted problems.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:57am EDT
Absolutely! Let 'em all crash... and take us with 'em. A financial Twin Towers.
Chris B. Sep 8, 2009, 7:40pm EDT
Hmmmm. Did any health insurance companies get bailouts? Doubt it, they didn't need 'em.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 9:34pm EDT
Accually they did indirectly get bail out money. Who do you think put their billions into those markets! Your grand mother?
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Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:55am EDT
As to the police and fire departments. The key word there is Municipal. The federal government is not involved, or at least should not be interfering with either in the performance of their duties.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:56am EDT
Making it smaller doesn't cut it, Colonel. If Government taxes you for it, whether you want it or not... it's a Socialist program.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:59am EDT
Both were set up by communities to take care of those needs Chuck. No different from the local grocery store.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:02am EDT
Sure it's different. The grocery store is privately owned. You don't have to spend a dime there if you don't want to. When I was growin' up, we nearly didn't some months.
Jim G. Sep 7, 2009, 10:09am EDT
Okay, Colonel. Let's eliminate the FBI, DEA, ICE, etc., so that when interstate crime is committed, all they have to do is cross the state line & thumb their noses at us.

Let's eliminate federal jurisdiction over forest fire control. "Hey, the fire's in your state, that's your problem." That's like the guy in the leaking rowboat who won't help his budy bail, because the leak is in the other guy's end of the boat.

Bottom line, there IS a role for the federal government when it is for the common good. Like health care, for instance.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:13am EDT
It still provides a service Chuck. That's all a fire or police department does and poeple voted to pay the tab for both. They are only socialist by a stretch of the imagination as long as they are local.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:15am EDT
Of course you are right Jim. I even agree with health care as a common good. I don't agree with HR3200 as a solution. There are better ways and a lot simpler ways.
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:36am EDT
My husband recalls a locally subsidized volunteer fire department back in the 70's in Montana and one man didn't pay into the fund so when his house caught fire, they watched it burn. All they did was make sure it didn't spread.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:39am EDT
Jim those have almost been eliminated now, thanks to Bush and the Patriot acts. They are all under homeland security.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:01am EDT
Sheryl, Yep that sounds like Montana. Here you pay your way or suffer the consequences. It's a wonder they didn't brake out the marshmellows and hotdogs.
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 8:59am EDT
Actually, that fire story was a national disgrace. I think someone from National Geographic was in the town, and just followed the fire truck. Then NG published his photos and told the story of the homeowner whose house burned. Seems he'd lost his job and COULDN'T pay the subscription. All hell broke loose. End of subscription fire departments.
Col. George W. Sep 8, 2009, 11:24am EDT
Bull is what it is. That story has been floating around for years and never happened.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:29pm EDT
Keep those socialist firepeople and police officers away from me. I don't want to pay for that crap. I've never had a fire or been arrested or threatened by violence which just proves all you whining socialists are making up these stories of fires and crimes so you can get more of my money.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 9:42pm EDT
Actually it did happen and on Sixty Minutes. I remember DAn Rather, made the Cheif look really good. How would you like being asked how it felt watching you neighbor's house burn and doing nothing. The neighbor had a bad year and couldn't afford to pay. Other neighbors came by during the with donations to pay the volunteer FD, but the chief wouldn't take take it! Point made! Cheif was a jerk!
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 10:17pm EDT
Actually, Colonel, I knew it HAD happened, because I SAW it. I was just wrong about which program.

You'd LIKE it to be bull, I think.
Col. George W. Sep 8, 2009, 10:36pm EDT
Nah, I could care less. Chuck when were you living in Montana?
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Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 9:57am EDT
Social Security and Medicare were set up as insurance. Good idea to go back to that concept and stop letting the central government use them as a source of revenue.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:01am EDT
Yep. Better we invest them in the Stock Market than in Treasury Bonds. Paying yourself interest with money you borrowed ON money you borrowed never made a lot of sense to me, either.

No sarcasm in this one.
J. McDole - Gather's Anti-Beck Sep 7, 2009, 4:53pm EDT
Everyone can then deal with taking care of aging family members themselves. That'll go over well. I should know, I did it for some time.
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 9:00am EDT
No, J... I think it might actually SAVE SS.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:34pm EDT
The very idea of insurance is socialistic. You're all a bunch of commie stooges ready to give up the American way of life that never existed. If I want a $100,000.00 procedure that would save my life, I'll save up for it. Why can't we all just do that instead of running puling and crying to some socialist endeavor like insurance. It only makes us weaker.
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micky d. Sep 7, 2009, 10:08am EDT
Public School education is a wonderful example of what Obamacare will do to pvt. insurance. Private schools in America far out numbered public schools many years ago. When public schools stated to increase parents took their kids from pvt. school and put them in public school- saved money. What happened a disaster, pvt. schools closed could not compete with govt. run subsidized schools- Single-Payer education-debacle coming to health-care in America.
Chuck, typical liberal scare stuff. Crisis-crisis-crisis- more government intrusion the only answer. Highways should be sold to private industry- let them maintain the roads- let them pay the salaries and pensions- not the tax payer-remove tolls great for reducing warming, Chuck, no more idle engines polluting and killing us.
It is better named the Department of Uneducation at the cost of TRILLIONS!.
Single Payer education- Single payer Obamacare- Single payer dept. of motor vehicles- Single payer IRS- God help us!
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:29am EDT
Private schools in America far out numbered public schools many years ago.

Yep. And by far the majority of children had NO schooling when that was true. Dammit, micky... if you're gonna lip in, at least try to make SOME sense.
Kimberli T. Sep 7, 2009, 10:51pm EDT
As if conservatives don't use scare tactics themselves. "The communists are comming! Build a hidden home underground that won't destruct... put all your money into that, so that their is not left over to put into the upkeep of the community and the care of our childre!"
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 9:03am EDT
This article was NOT a scare tactic! This article comprises finely crafted, hyperbolic sarcasm, designed to provoke actual THOUGHT!
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:40pm EDT
This article was NOT a scare tactic! This article comprises finely crafted, hyperbolic sarcasm, designed to provoke actual THOUGHT!
Thought?! What the hell are you talking about? Some kind of Socialist plan to get us all to think about the same thing? Socialist Mind Control, huh?

If I wanted to think about the same thing someone else wanted me to think about, God would make me think about it. So don't go spouting your crazy communist agenda to me.
Chuck L. Sep 8, 2009, 10:18pm EDT
Now THET'S funny stuff, raht ther.
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Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:09am EDT
The beautiful thing about a Republic is that it allows for a certian amount of Socialism when it comes down to human services. It is afer all a government Of and By the people. That does not mean that Government can control industry or own business.

I don't know of anyone claiming a government health care plan is unconstitutional. Any plan to do so must be set up in a reasonably efficient manner and not interfere with private insurance nor dictate manditory enrollment. (that's my take on the idea anyway) That's why the public option is so important.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:12am EDT
I don't know of anyone claiming a government health care plan is unconstitutional.

Haven't been reading the Linda A., Sandy & John, Marilyn M. comments in my posts, have you? Stick around. They'll be along soon.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:22am EDT
I don't think they said it was unconstitutional. They agree with me that HR3200 is a bad bill and should never be passed. The fact that is is being considered will hurt any good health care bill in the future.
There has been health care bills submitted in nearly every session since 1934 and all failed but this one is getting so much publicity that when a good one comes along people will reject it out of hand.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:25am EDT
Look at what you said, colonel. Killing health care bills has been the national sport of Republicans for seventy years. So far as they're concerned, a "good" one will NEVER come along. Nope, we're going with THIS one, It's no more socialistic than public schools (micky d.'s nonsense notwithstanding), public highways (ditto) or the military.
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:39am EDT
They make sure a bill is so bloated or out of control that people won't go for it. They kill it by making it unworkable.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:50am EDT
A number of those bills were killed by Democratic controled Congress Chuck. Sheryl, you are right and that's what they are doing with this one. A simple health care bill would have done the job and there is one waiting for a vote right now.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:42pm EDT
Oh yeah you folks are all screaming that it's against the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. I think you even said that a month or two ago Col. Am I wrong?
Col. George W. Sep 8, 2009, 6:52pm EDT
You could be right R. F. It very well could be against the 10th. One thing for sure a government health care plan would work better at state level simply because different areas have different health care needs and at state level there are fewer people.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 9:58pm EDT
State level only adds in more costs (states bureaucracies on top of federal) and the Old Divide and conquer rules come into play and at the state leve, there are smaller pools of folks, so states with lower populations the folks won't do as well, just take a good look at the mess now some states have only a monopoly to choose from. No reform there!
Col. George W. Sep 8, 2009, 10:54pm EDT
Even if it goes federal there will be state bureaucracies to handle the business. You have a good point about the population problem. I live in one of those small population states.

"Some states have only a monoply to choose from" I don't get that
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Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:16am EDT
The banks would all collapse in a year (even a good year) without socialism propping them up. The bad ones would drag down the good ones in "bank runs" - and we'd have the unsustainable chaos of Pure Capitalism.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:24am EDT
Well run banks don't go broke Peter.
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:39am EDT
One of the best banks in Iowa just went under. I wonder what the other ones are like.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:40am EDT
Not th' point, Colonel. With no regulation, no banks are well-run. We established that in 1929.
Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:49am EDT
Col, You miss the point that in the Great Depression the banks that were OK were pulled down by the banks that were not OK. There was a run on ALL the banks and it ruined the good ones, too, and fast.

That threatened to happen this time, too. Smaller sound banks would have been pulled down by the collapse of the entire system.

And we are now finding out that some of those banks we thought were fine, now aren't. Bad loans are still coming in. Banks that were fine a year ago might need bailed out, before this is all over, to keep them going for the future.

Even without "socialism" business works within an interrelated society. Without socialism that is unsustainable. Get over your pure capitalist fantasy.

Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:55am EDT
Yep Chuck, Regulatons did keep the banks honest back then. When they allowed banks to go interstate and removed other restrictions they went national and international. That made them "too big to fail" Both Bush and Obama made the same mistake. They should have let them go down.

We need those old regulations back. Local banks are mostly in good shape. It's the interstate ones that are causing the problems.
J. McDole - Gather's Anti-Beck Sep 7, 2009, 9:21pm EDT
I don't think so. It would cost too much to go back to those old regulations. I'm not for that at all. Besides, if we bring those back, they may decide other regulations might need to be brought back, like not allowing women to vote. Or allowing spectral evidence in court.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:46pm EDT
Banks????? You sniveling socialist. You conspiring communist. Banks are just a way of getting everyone's money together to build businesses and other private and public endeavors. It's dirty rotten stinking socialism. Any way you look at it. If I want to earn interest on my money, I'll pay it to myself.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 10:27pm EDT
Colonel, (No pun here) Well run bank have gone broke. Remember, depositors and cash flow. Many of the banks that are going under today are rural banks. Rural banks have low depositor bases. Most solvency problems come when depositors are short of cash and don't or can't deposit their money. Loans of X amount of dollars must by Federal Standards be backed by Y amounts of deposits. 80 banks closed this year so far 80% were rural banks. I remember talking to bank owner of rural community bank this spring. After he was examined. The man was as white as a ghost!!!! I do mean this!!! His loans were frozen. He could only do Feddy Macs and Fannie Maes. No farm, no small business loans. You do a crop of corn without a line of credit. Froze the whole town! Why is this recession hardest on the rural areas? Shouldn't have. In past recessions rural areas were the least affected, but the same rules were applied to rural banks as to big banks. But folks over reacted and forced a harder hand and small banks paid the price. Remember the same folks who are against any government aid to the banks and wanted to punish the bad banks, also punished the good banks too! The bad banks had 29% plus credit cards to keep them a float. While the good banks don't have those predatory loans out, so good banks with reasonable loan rates and good loan practices had cash flow problems. Understand the only way to control the scoundrels is by controlling them. When you punish the scoundrels you punish the good more!!!
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Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:17am EDT
Without welfare the poor would be at your window with a hammer.
Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:19am EDT
Some people don't care much if the poor die in the streets but not all of them are invalids.
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:27am EDT
Charities would step in and fill the gaps Peter, just like they did in the great depression. We didn't have federal welfare back then and guess what. The natrion survived. People went to work when they could find a job and did not live off government welfare for generations.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:43am EDT
Hogwash, Colonel. People dying in tenements and in the streets demonstrated that private charity wasn't enough. Not to mention the terrible effects of going from place to place, begging for just enough to make it one more day.

It's great to be tough, Colonel. You and I are probably pretty much at the top of that group here on Gather. But tough doesn't have to mean cold.
Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:52am EDT
Private charity is marvelous. But it's very spotty.
EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:25am EDT
If I were homeless and hungry, I wouldn't be waiting for a private charity to help me. Most of them want you to hear a sermon and get saved before they'll feed you.
David N. Sep 7, 2009, 12:27pm EDT
At this point EM JAY, we have done away with the police , so....finding a meal by force wouldn't be too much of a task because there would be no gun control and robbery would be the norm.
We would not need to take prisoners for the sake of the people.
Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 12:34pm EDT
If you could just drive anywhere - traffic laws are Socialist. And then there's all the pollution in the way.
Jeannie B. Sep 8, 2009, 1:59pm EDT
"Charities would step in and fill the gaps Peter, just like they did in the great depression." Bull. Studies have shown that when the need goes up, charitable donations go down. So, when the need is greatest, there's the fewest resources available to meet that need.

Let's see: No FDIC. No Homeland Security. No Coast Guard or National Guard to rescue boaters or flood victims. No DEA. No regulation on businesses. No 40-hour work week, paid vacations, or mandatory overtime. This is sounding better and better.

And Colonel, reducing government to localities doesn't mean they'd be any less governments; it also doesn' t mean that those who did the government would be any less corruptable.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:48pm EDT
Col. you're nuts. You socialist. Charities? Really? A common effort? Run by a centralizes administration? I think we know what color your panties are. Pink!!!
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Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:18am EDT
Leave us NASA and PBS, please.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:44am EDT
Nope. Socialistic to th' max. gotta go. Private enterprise for NASA - Asteroid minerals should pay for it... eventually.

Private patronage for the arts... like th' diMedici's did.
Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:53am EDT
> like th' diMedici's did.

ha ha - then you just get church propaganda.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 11:12am EDT
But great art, nonetheless.
David N. Sep 7, 2009, 12:28pm EDT
At this point Chuck, the churches would be best funded...snicker,snicker.
R. F. Sep 8, 2009, 6:50pm EDT
NASA is a plot to bring in illegal space aliens. Nothing more and nothing less. They want the benefits and our high salaries so they can send the money back to Mars.

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Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:20am EDT
Capitalism gave up on passenger trains decades ago - please leave us (and expand) Amtrak !!!
Col. George W. Sep 7, 2009, 10:31am EDT
Passenger trains are not efficient and do not make any money since Henry Ford put cars in the hands of everyone by his assembly line concept. They are useless in today's world and ought to be eliminated, not supported by tax dollars.
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:42am EDT
Oh, I don't know, if there were more maybe people would use them. There use to be a line that followed the area towns and brought workers into and out of the city each day for work but that ended in the mid 70's. I remember it. My girlscout troop got to ride it once before it was folded.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:49am EDT
Wrong again, Colonel. Public funding for highways and airports, allowing trucks (single loads) to be more efficient than trains, and planes (small loads) to be more efficient than passenger trains, killed railroads. The railroads had to build and maintain their own tracks, but WE built and maintain the "tracks"
(highways and runways), for everything else.

No, Peter, no Amtrak for you... not yours.
Peter Joseph Swanson Sep 7, 2009, 10:55am EDT
Yeah, how many car dealerships would there be without all them Socialist built roads ???

Col, you need the see the bigger picture, and learn some history.
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Kevin E. Sep 7, 2009, 10:21am EDT
Chuck well written. I was saddened and and amused by what you wrote and still more saddened by some of the comments you have had. "Ain't It Sad We Don't know What We we've Got Till It's Gone? They Paved Paradise And Put Up A Parking lot."
Sheryl L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:43am EDT
Thats what tongue in cheek, or sarcasum is suppose to do, open your eyes to what you have and take for granted. Chuck, you did a good job in this.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:50am EDT
Thanx, Kevin & Sheryl, but I doubt any eyes will open. Everyone so far has an 'exception.' To what? This was nonsense from the start.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 11:13am EDT
Loved that song, BTW.
Jeannie B. Sep 8, 2009, 2:02pm EDT
"They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum. They're charging the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em." That's what would happen without government regulation.
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James A. Sep 7, 2009, 10:29am EDT
Excellent article!
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HEIDI F. Sep 7, 2009, 10:42am EDT
This is a great post. My favorite is doing away with public schools. I don't have kids and I don't think I should have to pay for the education of children whose parents don't plan far enough ahead to pay for the education of those children they believe they need to have.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:55am EDT
Yep. That's what will pull this country even farther ahead. A generation of which a majority cannot read or cipher. You DO know that's the situation we had BEFORE public education, right?

Or is MY sarcasm monitor mis-calibrated.
Kevin E. Sep 7, 2009, 10:56am EDT
Heidi keep in mind that if you are lucky enough to live to old age those same kids you don't want to pay for will be paying for your care long after the years you paid for their education. With the money they will spend on your medical care because of those who are happy with medical care as is, they will pay far more for your care than you have paid for their education. Or they may find you are just not worth the cost and pass a law making euthanasia mandatory for people over 65. "Society is only as strong as it's weakest link."
HEIDI F. Sep 7, 2009, 11:02am EDT
ummm, i was being sarcastic morons.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 11:14am EDT
That's what I hoped. Apparently I used up all my sarcasm recognition on my own. sorry.
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Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 10:58am EDT
Gotta go take Grandkids to th Zoo. You're on your own for th' day, Kids.
EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Sep 7, 2009, 11:38am EDT
I hope that's a privately run zoo you're visiting.
Chuck L. Sep 7, 2009, 9:52pm EDT
It's the Detroit Zoo, which, as a matter of fact, has been turned over to a private organization. We still pay a special, voted upon directly, tax to maintain it.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 10:49pm EDT
Wasn't there some thing on Night line on this. How it wasn't as well run. Had a interview of one of the gals that worked there. Lost her job and rehired at a quarter of her pay. Had to work two jobs to keep the family going. Great money maker for the private company that did a kick back to the Gov, but those who had worked there for years got a bit of a shafting. But this is the RNC way!
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Franklin Newman Sep 7, 2009, 11:12am EDT
May I also suggest that we erase all the court systems, except for the Supreme Court? It's in the Constitution, so we can't touch it, but we can do without all the rest. That's what the second amendment is for . . .
Franklin Newman Sep 7, 2009, 11:14am EDT
You do, of course, realize we would be far better off keeping (with some minor corrections) our court system in reality, and repealing the second amendment. My previous comment was merely following your starting post to a logical conclusion.

And let's bring back Swift's idea of letting the rich eat the poor's children!
David N. Sep 7, 2009, 12:32pm EDT
There would be no rich at this point, unless Mad Max is considered wealthy. He does have a car.
J. McDole - Gather's Anti-Beck Sep 7, 2009, 4:50pm EDT
Wait-who pays the Supreme Court's salary? Do they have government health care? We need to drop that for sure.
Rory H. Sep 8, 2009, 11:00pm EDT
Hey, Newman, we don't need any court we should all wear guns and hang em all. Just like we use to! Or we could do as those in tribal islamic countries do. Cut the hands off for minor offenses and rape the wives, sisters and daughters in public for major offenses. After the raping the women are given a knive, which they are expected to kill themselves with. Replace the courts with guns, rape and mobs. How godly can we get? It is socialistic to even think of courts. Back to the really bad times here. We just want to be like Al quida!
Franklin Newman Sep 9, 2009, 9:47pm EDT
Not quite: Islamics have some form of rights. Christians would deprive us of even those, if you remember the dark ages.
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Debra C. Sep 7, 2009, 11:19am EDT
Let's not forget FEMA.