A short while back I posted up an article about a certain part of a male’s anatomy that basically gives us the “male” designation. There was no profanity anywhere in the article, and it was clearly labeled as to what the subject matter was. Despite all that, it soon got flagged, and then got flagged some more, even getting flagged for “impersonation.” Impersonation? I’ll let y’alls imaginations fill in the blanks on that one, as I haven‘t a clue myself.
It did get me to thinking though as to how unfair it is to have a system where people can anonymously designate themselves censors regarding other people’s works, and have no personal accountability for whatever decisions they make. Sure, they should have a right to flag if something offends, but should not the “flagger” be subjected to the same scrutiny that they inflict upon others? Might we not learn the true motivation behind some of these “flags”, and is it not fair for them to receive the same “watchful eye” and commentary that they subject others to?
I think so, in fact, I know so. Fair is fair, and it should work both ways. But let’s take this one step further - if Gather were to allow the “flaggers” to have their way, the following might be representative of the sort of articles that would be published from here on out, think about a world like the following…..
A Good Day Of Goodness!
Hi fellow Gatherers. I feel good today. The air is fresh and the flowers outside my window are pretty. It’s the perfect time to write some verbiage.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Ed. You may remember me, I used to be guilty of writing relatively popular articles here on Gather. That is, I wrote them until some anonymous people complained about them, and since I’m the kind of person who enjoys pleasing everyone, I decided to take those complaints to heart. Because I never want anyone finding displeasure with me or my literary efforts, I’ve decided to only write articles about goodness now. And what it’s like to be good. So here we go.
It’s heaven watching a good episode of Leave It To Beaver followed by a classic The Waltons rerun. I feel so good and positive after doing so. I like writing down observations about birds singing outside my window in my journal as well, I may publish some of them here soon.
I need to eat lunch in a minute, a glass of low-fat milk and a wax sandwich being my today’s menu choices. I also need to meditate a while over the terrible damage horror movies do to our youngsters, and I’m going to be part of the protest at the local Dairy Queen this evening regarding all that terrible sugar they put in the ice cream there, it’s just awful, mind you, our children deserve better!
Before I go do anything, I need a nap to steel myself for the important work to be done later today. Not that I intend on being judgmental, mind you. Please allow me my space, thank you. I’ll write again at some point.
THE END
Folks, think about it. Do you really not want any pizzazz or spice here on Gather? Do we really want anonymous flaggers dictating what people can and can’t read? Can y’all stomach another article full of goodness like the above?
Some of the people who flag basically want a world like the above. Theirs is a bleak, less than fun existence. Others do it because of some pretty misguided reasons, jealousy being high up on the list. They aren’t popular on Gather because they basically don’t even like themselves, but you’d never get them to admit that, least of all to themselves. It’s easier to blame someone else.
My advice? Write Tom or some other Gather staffer, and tell them that if people are given the right to censor other people’s contributions then they should have to put their names behind their actions. What’s fair for the goose….
Now, I’d better run, I need to drink some liquor and cuss for about ten minutes in order to get my equilibrium back….laters!


Comments: 166
Seriously, you make some very good points...especially the one where the censor has to give their name. If you have the 'ahem'...to do it, then have the 'ahem'.. to identify yourself.
Meet ya out back for the liquor and cussing and we'll start the day off right!
Sunday smoochies,
Bethie
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I'm off for liquor, cussin', then church ~ flag on this play?
B.
I must come back and read the comments though, because I I have a feeling (I can almost hear them now) there are going to be thouse that are going to blame certain "types" for the flaggings *snort*
If ya ask me, people who flag, down-rate, or just get nasty with another person because of a difference in thought, need to grow-up and get a life.
Smoochies, great comment!
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My experience with this here on Gather is that the majority of flaggers use the"Power of the Flag" as a weapon against people who have angered them or of who they are jealous.
My friend Dame Ruth dubbed them the "Flamin' Flaggots"
And you, darlin', are very much still a gorgeous lady - have a great Sunday!
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Thank you! -blushes-
Enjoy your Sunday, too! :)
Great comments, ladies!
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Sunday smoochies,
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Smoochies, thank you darlin'!
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Anonymous flagging is one of them. Random low-ball ratings are another.
Personally, if there's something I don't like about an article, I will (as Elizabeth O. so eloquently put it) have the 'ahems' to say something directly.
Good comment, thanks!
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I'm still laughing, thanks!
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Those who flagged others articles have nothing better to do, or they are just jealous that they didn't come up with the idea first. Lol!
If a person doesn't like what you wrote, DON'T READ IT! DUH!
Talking about a man's junk or a woman's trunk is a natural thing most real people talk about anyway. Lol!
Sorry to hear that there is a rotten person trying to ruin the fun.
Keep posting them ED! I think most of us enjoy your posts, makes the day go by and makes us laugh!
SMOOCHIES to you!
Have a great Sunday,
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You have a great day, my friend!
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You're so sweet and smoochable!
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Darlin', you are a breath of fresh air to me and I am sure others. I had to stop laughing before I could even begin writing this and then when I did, I got pissed that others don't have the nads to put who they are flagging others works...shame on them. GROW SOME NADS FELLOWS AND FELLOWETTES. If you have the guts to report or flag, have the guts to put who you are and why you are flagging.
XOXOXOXOXO I feel better now...again.
Darlin', I'm all for 'nads growin', especially my own!
Smoochies,
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Heartfelt smoochies,
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I once saw an article with over 150 comments flagged and the person who had done the flagging admitted to it.
She said that she was horribly offended by not only the article but the comments. But I guess it wasnt offensive enough for her to hit the back browser key and go on with life.
Makes sense to me too!
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Just teasing!
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Ok - I got that out of my system. I agree with you, Ed. The flaggers are somewhat ridiculous. It seems to me that you are correct that the flag should not be done anonymously. The message that Gather sends to the writer of a flagged article is that the speech has been flagged by "the community." My experience has been that Gather members are just fine with most things. There has been the occasional pornography that is not the same as erotica. But, even in those cases, it seems as if members can simply move on to material that interests them rather than flagging the material. Thank you for the article. It is spot on. And, the comments are refreshing, too.
Great comment, my man!
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*chuckle* *chuckle*
Thanks much!
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I also disagree that ratings should be anonymous. A 'tomato' to you, may be a fair assessment of your work to another. The ratings system is meant to bubble up the "best stuff you've read on Gather'". Therefore not every post, photo and video would, or should, be worthy of a '10'. It is really the aggregate ratings that would matter...if ratings actually served any purpose on Gather.
Maybe the simple solution is, if ratings serve no purpose then why have them at all?
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Ed,
Ratings have not served a purpose for a very long time, and I have always advocated that the system be replaced or removed. I do agree with you though about low ratings potentially upsetting some members, both newbies and even the well-seasoned. However, low ratings occur on other sites too, and at least we do have the ability to turn them off here...but I would prefer another system ('recommendation'-based WITH accountability).
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Thanks,
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Smoochies,
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The only material I've flagged, has been my own. I know enough to not read something (by the way, who even assumed that the flaggers are reading the posts they're flagging? Doubtful!), that if it offends me, I'll just move along and find something else to read. How hard is that?
Marilyn (Can we take a poll on this?)
Smoochies,
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I strongly disagree. The reporting of content should always remain anonymous as it ultimately leads to a fairer and more effective system for everyone. It isn't perfect, but many of the weaknesses come from the lack of community education, not transparency.
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Ed,
The reporting (flagging) function on Gather serves a vital purpose and is primarily used well (in my experience). It is true that some malicious flagging does take place, but this is eclipsed by legitimate reports and reports submitted by members with good intentions, but not the knowledge or experience to recognize a legitimate violation.
If reporting was not anonymous, there would be a significantly reduced amount of content reported in the community which would lead to a commensurate increase in content and activities which violate the Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. This would degrade the entire site for everyone. This reduction would occur because many members would not bother to report legitimate violations for fear of reprisal, hurting the feelings of others, or for the perception the community would have of their actions. This is simply human nature.
Also, members that truly report content maliciously are contacted and dealt with by Gather, although privately. I'm certain that if they make it a habit, their accounts would be closed. Plus, in a system where reporting is transparent, members can simply create an alternate account (which is allowed) in order to report the content anonymously...thus easily defeating public accountability.
Great comments, my man, always enjoy seeing you with us!
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Ok, how's this, keep it anomyous, but it gets recorded on the flaggers record. All records get reviewed say, once a month. If a pattern emerges, the flagger gets the boot.
Now I'm off to fly my freak flag (the only flagging I ever do) and consider some liquor and cussing myself :)
Smoochies,
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Smoochies,
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How do we create a Democracy within a Democracy when we cannot trust or identify the conscience or character of the participants? We cannot, not here not in Government--I think it was Bush 41, the elder, who said there is such a thing as too much Freedom. Add to the mix of those who believe in freedom, or anything really, and you will find zealots and idealists and the complacent it is a human condition.
So what is a comedy writer to do--write COMEDY and live your life, I will also have a drink on Sunday and participate in some other unpopular activity commonly found to be unfavorable with the ultra righteous.
When you are surrounded by friends you can say anything and writ anything and be understood and if not by all your friends know how to discuss things with humor and civility--as we know it.
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Smoochies,
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Now, re them kissing your white Southern ass, I'll just say this due to the mental imagery involved - get thee behind me, Satan!
Double smoochies,
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One of your comments to someone was "if ratings don't matter, why have them at all?" Good point. If all posts have the same importance, then why rate them? Shouldn't it be the views that count more? Low ratings and anonymous flagging serves no other purpose than a mean spirited sneak ambush.
I enjoy the diversity here. I read lots of different things, some I like, some I don't, in which case I don't always read all of it, and I move on, not rating or commenting. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion, whether I agree with it or not. Freedom of speech is the first amendment, but that doesn't give me the right to cowardly blast someone for exercising their right.
You have the best day, darlin',
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I agree we should be able to know who and why we are flagged and low rated It's only fair.
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Triple smoochies,
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I'm surprised some one didn't flag it for gratuitous use of the word "beaver." Can we actually trust you were using that word innocently?
Really, people who flag should be required to leave a comment saying why they threw a hankie on the play. Anonymous flags are juvenile.
Or better yet, they should be grown up enough to say to themselves, "This is not the kind of stuff I want to read," and walk away from the page.
Paragraph 1: Will a bribe work to keep ya from reporting me?
Paragragh 2: You can never trust I'd use that word innocently.
Paragraph 4: You couldn't be more right!
Smoochies,
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Hugs,
MJ
Smoochies,
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Yes. I should. Maybe I will.
Maybe not for the content of the article, but for the content of your comments.
Hmphf......haven't you heard of sexual harasment....?
Your smoochies and calling female commenters darlin' and you good lookin' thing, you! are inappropriate..... where have you been living?
Now.....I might reconsider if I'm called darlin' and gorgeous too.....
;-)
Double smoochies and thanks, I'm still laughing!
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That worked out pretty good....don't you think?
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Ed. I might not always comment, (sometimes I just don't know what to say)but I do read. Keep on being yourself and please don't change.
Smoochies,
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Pay no mind to the darn flaggers and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't start writing that way
(points to above passage) all the time.
Some of us are stuck livin' out here in Alwaysgottabepleasantandnice City and dang, reading your stuff is the only way we can even have a chance to keep our sanity!!
Triple smoochies,
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Oh, and there's a semi-colon missing from one of your paragraphs so I'm going to flag this for punctuation abuse. Just thought you should know. :-)
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Smoochies,
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Great comment, I'm still smiling,
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I KNOW it is jealousy and low self-esteem thatgets the flaggers on the rampage! They can't do, they can't even teach, so they 'monitor'. It is a sad lives they lead. 'barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen all of their adult lives and breeding more to do the same.
George Carlin explained it when that crazy Jesse Helms was censoring media,"...there are two knobs on your radios/TV's, one is volume and the other CHANGES THE CHANNEL! If you don't like something/ Don't listen don't watch, don't read it!" I am paraphrasing, but it is simple logic.
I will write the powers that be Gather and see if we can't get the playing field more even.
Thanks
Please write, and maybe between people writing and this blog we might see a change or two made. We can always try!
Smoochies for a classy lady,
E3
AM I going to get into trouble here ?
Smoochies,
E3
The men want their women subserviant and just there to satisfy their base need for making more of the same. As though there were still mortality rates in western civilisation that called for having lots of kids!
They can't afford them, are raising them of fatback and fast food (same thing) and wondering why health care is so expensive, because they live unhealthily!
They have that mob mentality where anyone can get them worked up and talk them into becoming the villiagers with torches and pitchforks, killing off their benefactors and mistrusting the people who want to help them get out of their ruts.
I do not care what is on sale at WalMart (don't even have a Wal-Mart near me anywhere! They figured it would bring down the neighbourhood!), I don't care what you are stuffing your faces with or what happened at school or the park particularly.
I want to share what is out here in the real world and they think it raw, un-natural and in need of censorship! Go figure!
Oh and I have often wondered if these people who flag are the ones who let their kids watch Family Guy and the Simpsons which both contain some real raw talk.
I have seen lots worse stuff on TV and they want to to cover your pets genitals ?
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I'm not a writer. Never claimed to be one. Never tried to be one. I've learned to ignore the ratings. I've got a grand total of seven articles up. I've only had one downrated. The kicker is the one that was downrated was about my dad. It's the one that means the most to me personally. It was very hard to put those thoughts down. My first thought on the downrating was, "Why did I even bother?" The second thought was, "Screw them!"
I agree with you point to Kevin about new writers, Ed. If I didn't have that second thought, I probably never would have posted anything else.
Did I tell you I was gonna be really, really bad next Saturday?
Smoochies,
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I posted one about my dad too and that got lo-balled as well1 I guess when your dad is also your uncle, first cousin or.....never mind! LOL
Smoochies,
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Thanks for sharing them!
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