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by Ed Williams
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September 14, 2008

An Unflag-able Article!

August 30, 2009 07:39 AM EDT (Updated: August 30, 2009 07:41 AM EDT)
views: 412 | rating: 9.2/10 (36 votes) | comments: 166

A short while back I posted up an article about a certain part of a male’s anatomy that basically gives us the “male” designation. There was no profanity anywhere in the article, and it was clearly labeled as to what the subject matter was. Despite all that, it soon got flagged, and then got flagged some more, even getting flagged for “impersonation.” Impersonation? I’ll let y’alls imaginations fill in the blanks on that one, as I haven‘t a clue myself.

It did get me to thinking though as to how unfair it is to have a system where people can anonymously designate themselves censors regarding other people’s works, and have no personal accountability for whatever decisions they make. Sure, they should have a right to flag if something offends, but should not the “flagger” be subjected to the same scrutiny that they inflict upon others? Might we not learn the true motivation behind some of these “flags”, and is it not fair for them to receive the same “watchful eye” and commentary that they subject others to?

I think so, in fact, I know so. Fair is fair, and it should work both ways. But let’s take this one step further - if Gather were to allow the “flaggers” to have their way, the following might be representative of the sort of articles that would be published from here on out, think about a world like the following…..

A Good Day Of Goodness!

Hi fellow Gatherers. I feel good today. The air is fresh and the flowers outside my window are pretty. It’s the perfect time to write some verbiage.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Ed. You may remember me, I used to be guilty of writing relatively popular articles here on Gather. That is, I wrote them until some anonymous people complained about them, and since I’m the kind of person who enjoys pleasing everyone, I decided to take those complaints to heart. Because I never want anyone finding displeasure with me or my literary efforts, I’ve decided to only write articles about goodness now. And what it’s like to be good. So here we go.

It’s heaven watching a good episode of Leave It To Beaver followed by a classic The Waltons rerun. I feel so good and positive after doing so. I like writing down observations about birds singing outside my window in my journal as well, I may publish some of them here soon.

I need to eat lunch in a minute, a glass of low-fat milk and a wax sandwich being my today’s menu choices. I also need to meditate a while over the terrible damage horror movies do to our youngsters, and I’m going to be part of the protest at the local Dairy Queen this evening regarding all that terrible sugar they put in the ice cream there, it’s just awful, mind you, our children deserve better!

Before I go do anything, I need a nap to steel myself for the important work to be done later today. Not that I intend on being judgmental, mind you. Please allow me my space, thank you. I’ll write again at some point.

THE END

Folks, think about it. Do you really not want any pizzazz or spice here on Gather? Do we really want anonymous flaggers dictating what people can and can’t read? Can y’all stomach another article full of goodness like the above?

Some of the people who flag basically want a world like the above. Theirs is a bleak, less than fun existence. Others do it because of some pretty misguided reasons, jealousy being high up on the list. They aren’t popular on Gather because they basically don’t even like themselves, but you’d never get them to admit that, least of all to themselves. It’s easier to blame someone else.

My advice? Write Tom or some other Gather staffer, and tell them that if people are given the right to censor other people’s contributions then they should have to put their names behind their actions. What’s fair for the goose….

Now, I’d better run, I need to drink some liquor and cuss for about ten minutes in order to get my equilibrium back….laters!

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Comments: 166

Elizabeth O. Aug 30, 2009, 7:50am EDT
OK, who REALLY wrote the goodness part? Certainly not you. You left out the part about puppies and lollipops.

Seriously, you make some very good points...especially the one where the censor has to give their name. If you have the 'ahem'...to do it, then have the 'ahem'.. to identify yourself.

Meet ya out back for the liquor and cussing and we'll start the day off right!

Sunday smoochies,
Bethie
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 7:51am EDT
Cussin' and liquor always work, darlin'. And I have no problem with people censoring articles, but they should be made to publicly do it. Most of the time, I think it's done for reasons other than what the content of the article is!

Smoochies,

E3
Elizabeth O. Aug 30, 2009, 7:57am EDT
I think so too. I've never flagged anything except my own stuff, and I only did that before someone could. I wouldn't dream of doing that to someone.

I'm off for liquor, cussin', then church ~ flag on this play?

B.
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Nancy * Aug 30, 2009, 7:54am EDT
I agree with you, though I've only been flagged once and she did inform me of the flagging (wow right?) It turns out she is a prude whose sensabilities are tipped on end at just about everything. I no longer even look at her work. I've seen other things flagged (other than by the writer) and wondered... "Why, in the world was that flagged?" Like a picture of a watch or clock that was flagged spam. I found it quite amusing.

I must come back and read the comments though, because I I have a feeling (I can almost hear them now) there are going to be thouse that are going to blame certain "types" for the flaggings *snort*

If ya ask me, people who flag, down-rate, or just get nasty with another person because of a difference in thought, need to grow-up and get a life.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 7:58am EDT
Nancy, I agree, I think a lot of the "flaggings" derive from personal issues and vendettas as much as anything else. I look at it pretty simply - if I don't like something I'm reading or a show or movie, I just watch something else. Simple as that. And I don't have a problem with people flagging, I just think they should be held publicly accountable. If they can publicly flag and express that opinion, they ought to have to reveal themselves and explain why (if asked).

Smoochies, great comment!

E3
Nancy * Aug 30, 2009, 8:09am EDT
Exactly. I tend to look at titles or author and decide from there to even click it open. If I click on something that I really don't want to read I close it quickly.
Kathleen ♥ L. Aug 30, 2009, 3:39pm EDT
I agree with you, Ed . People who flag articles need to be held to account as to what made the article unsuitable for adult perusal.
My experience with this here on Gather is that the majority of flaggers use the"Power of the Flag" as a weapon against people who have angered them or of who they are jealous.
My friend Dame Ruth dubbed them the "Flamin' Flaggots"
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Melissa Underhill Aug 30, 2009, 8:01am EDT
I've never understood flagging an article for no good reason. Not too long ago, some super religious people decided to take it upon themselves to flag an article for hate speech because it brought up the point that Mary never was given the choice to consent to being impregnated with Jesus. It was a debate topic, not hate speech.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:04am EDT
Melissa, I hear you. That's the whole point - if someone anonymously flags something, there is no debate, only them being able to inflict their personal opinion on someone else's work. I just don't see the fairness, it's like Gather allows literary "sniper fire." A simple system of making flaggers publicly accountable would be a big improvement, I think.

And you, darlin', are very much still a gorgeous lady - have a great Sunday!

E3
Melissa Underhill Aug 30, 2009, 8:06am EDT
I agree with you completely. I'm always afraid of being flagged when I do creative writing, even if it's not blatantly inappropriate. People shouldn't post in fear of being flagged by some anonymous person who doesn't have to face them at all.

Thank you! -blushes-

Enjoy your Sunday, too! :)
Nancy * Aug 30, 2009, 8:11am EDT
In that case however, the person who flagged the article did comment that she was the person who flagged the article and why she felt it was hate speech. Though many would disagree with her, she stood up and said she was the one who did it.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:17am EDT
And Nancy, that's my whole point. If flaggers had to be accountable, I think at least we'd all understand why. I think a lot of the pettiness and underhandedness would go out the window.

Great comments, ladies!

E3
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Erinn K. Aug 30, 2009, 8:14am EDT
I think most people just do it for shits and giggles. Just like rating things a 1, they just want to get your blood boiling. Some people are just assholes =(
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:16am EDT
Erinn, as usual you are right on the money. And have I mentioned today that you're pretty as hell, too?

Sunday smoochies,

E3
Erinn K. Aug 30, 2009, 8:36am EDT
;-) back atcha!
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Karen G. Aug 30, 2009, 8:30am EDT
Sorry, that happened to you Ed, many happy returns.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:34am EDT
Karen, it's no biggie, and it helped me understand why the process here at Gather needs to be tweaked a bit. Gather is a great place, this would just make it even better.

Smoochies, thank you darlin'!

E3
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Landen Michaels Aug 30, 2009, 8:34am EDT
There's plenty to be 'fixed' here on Gather.
Anonymous flagging is one of them. Random low-ball ratings are another.
Personally, if there's something I don't like about an article, I will (as Elizabeth O. so eloquently put it) have the 'ahems' to say something directly.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:39am EDT
Landen, I agree, and for everyone like you there are ten who live to shoot their poison darts and then run off and hide. A little light shed will always disperse cockroaches, you know.

Good comment, thanks!

E3
Landen Michaels Aug 30, 2009, 8:46am EDT
Ed, you obviously haven't met the cockroaches in central FL. Turn on a light at night and they just slip on their sunglasses, glare in your direction and yell "DUDE! SHUT THE DAMNED LIGHT OFF! CAN'T YOU SEE WE'RE PARTYIN'?"
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:55am EDT
LOLOL, Landen, sounds like they might even be cool to hang out with!

I'm still laughing, thanks!

E3
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kimberly g. Aug 30, 2009, 8:44am EDT
I always just flag my posts if I know someone else is gonna, I rather just do it and get it over.
Those who flagged others articles have nothing better to do, or they are just jealous that they didn't come up with the idea first. Lol!
If a person doesn't like what you wrote, DON'T READ IT! DUH!
Talking about a man's junk or a woman's trunk is a natural thing most real people talk about anyway. Lol!
Sorry to hear that there is a rotten person trying to ruin the fun.
Keep posting them ED! I think most of us enjoy your posts, makes the day go by and makes us laugh!
SMOOCHIES to you!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:55am EDT
Kimberly, you darlin', are the coolest!

Have a great Sunday,

E3
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Eric T. Aug 30, 2009, 8:50am EDT
I quit trying to please everyone because it is absolutely impossible! Moral of the story: one should keep doing whatever it is they dom much to the dismay of others. Keep the posts coming!!!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:57am EDT
Eric, I'll never quit, least not til I want to. Only way I would stop here on Gather would be if I get contracted to do another book, the time it would take to write one would really limit my ability to be here. We'll see what happens.

You have a great day, my friend!

E3
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Sensational Sadie Sexy Senior Sitizen Aug 30, 2009, 8:57am EDT
It's like the old Rick Nelson song Ed. You know the line about not pleasing everyone so you gotta please yourself. I'm a Spice Girl myself. Your sweet tale gave my sugar overload. It's too early in the day to drink so maybe I'll put some salsa on my toast and dream about all the naughty things in life. Yeah, Tha's what I'll do.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 8:59am EDT
Sexy Sadie, you always know what to say and you are but the coolest. In the end, I'll always be true to myself, it's all anyone can be expected to do.

You're so sweet and smoochable!

E3
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Karen F. Aug 30, 2009, 8:57am EDT
I AGREE WITH YOU 100% and I agree that the other should have to put who they are and why they are flagging the artical. Besides...what is inappropriate for some isn't so for others reading them. If that is the case then all of the political schitt put on here needs to be flagged. I am so tired of hearing and reading about it and God forbid you diagree with any of them. I have all but stopped writing my own stuff on here and I get so tired of writing about stufff that doesn't matter but I get tired of the put downs and the judging that the others do...yet they express themselves all they want.

Darlin', you are a breath of fresh air to me and I am sure others. I had to stop laughing before I could even begin writing this and then when I did, I got pissed that others don't have the nads to put who they are flagging others works...shame on them. GROW SOME NADS FELLOWS AND FELLOWETTES. If you have the guts to report or flag, have the guts to put who you are and why you are flagging.

XOXOXOXOXO I feel better now...again.
Karen F. Aug 30, 2009, 9:00am EDT
It was way too hard reading the goodness part in your article...it sounded like most of the other articles on the site. That is why I look forward to your article...A lot more color and flare to the....ahhhh.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:03am EDT
Karen, I don't even get into political type discussions here, people are rabid. You can't disagree without being labeled or shouted down, no matter how ridiculous some of the assertions are. And in most cases, I feel the "rabidness" is in direct contradiction to how much they know about the issues. If you know issues you don't feel the need to be rabid, you just offer your insights as a rebuttal.

Darlin', I'm all for 'nads growin', especially my own!

Smoochies,

E3

Karen F. Aug 30, 2009, 9:10am EDT
As you, I don't feel the need to reply to the political blarney on here. You are right, they usually don't know what they are talking about or are so one sided on issues that they can't see or won't see the other side of the coin. I may be only a high school graduate, but I have enough common sense to stay put in my own thoughts sometimes. Usually when someone flags others work, they are jealous or so closed minded without a sense of humor of any kind. They probably don't even watch Funnies Home Videos and laugh at people falling down and such. My last ex was like that...(God only knows what I saw in that one...just stupid I guess). He was right and everyone else was wrong. Anyway...I love your articles, and if I could write half as colorful and witty as you I would...but I am limited because I am not as gifted as you...but I can and do enjoy reading your articles, so I say pox to the ones who have the green meany in their eyes.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:13am EDT
Karen, you're just a first-class lady and I adore ya, never forget it, either!

Heartfelt smoochies,

E3
Karen F. Aug 30, 2009, 9:20am EDT
Thanks Ed. I tend to veer away from my Southen Lady statis when I my feathers are ruffled, and that is what happens when I see one of my friends being attacked. I'm here to enjoy the different articles. Some are boring or so far off...if I don't like them I don't comment but I also don't flag them. Opinions are like belly buttons, we all have them, but sometimes they are better kept to ourselves. (huggingyouwithabearhug)
Lori F. Aug 30, 2009, 7:00pm EDT
Ed I agree with you. The flaggers should not only be "outed" but unless something actually violates the TOS the flagger should be reprimanded for it and IMHO if they do it more than 3 times they are out of gather.

I once saw an article with over 150 comments flagged and the person who had done the flagging admitted to it.

She said that she was horribly offended by not only the article but the comments. But I guess it wasnt offensive enough for her to hit the back browser key and go on with life.

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Nora J A. Aug 30, 2009, 9:07am EDT
"if people are given the right to censor other people’s contributions then they should have to put their names behind their actions. "

Makes sense to me too!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:11am EDT
Nora, agree to some Sunday smoochies, I wanna send you some!

E3
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Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:11am EDT
Christina, you very good lookin' lady, you always know the right thing to say. You're magic, and highly smoochable!

E3
Karen F. Aug 30, 2009, 9:12am EDT
You said a mouth full sista...
Jeana Hamilton Aug 30, 2009, 9:12am EDT
Well, that is a pisser, what does flagging actually accomplish though? is the content removed or just flagged? I think i will find something to flag today:) j/j
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:12am EDT
Jeana, I can give you some suggestions............

Just teasing!

E3
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Joe T. Aug 30, 2009, 9:13am EDT
Penis - Penis - Penis - Penis!!!!!

Ok - I got that out of my system. I agree with you, Ed. The flaggers are somewhat ridiculous. It seems to me that you are correct that the flag should not be done anonymously. The message that Gather sends to the writer of a flagged article is that the speech has been flagged by "the community." My experience has been that Gather members are just fine with most things. There has been the occasional pornography that is not the same as erotica. But, even in those cases, it seems as if members can simply move on to material that interests them rather than flagging the material. Thank you for the article. It is spot on. And, the comments are refreshing, too.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:15am EDT
Joe, thanks! I guess I don't understand why, if someone doesn't like something, that they just don't move on. The need to singe someone else's work is just wrong, and if it must be done it should be done publicly.

Great comment, my man!

E3
Lori F. Aug 30, 2009, 7:01pm EDT
The PEN IS in Ed's pocket.
Joe T. Aug 30, 2009, 11:31pm EDT
Lori,

*chuckle* *chuckle*
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Ron Hall Aug 30, 2009, 9:22am EDT
I'm featuring this in today's Gather Writing Essentials group, not because it's your best writing, but because you raise an important issue. Also, the fact that there is someone out there willing to give you less than a ten for saying people should identify themselves when passing judgment - that's noteworthy.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:27am EDT
Ron, thanks. I think it's an important message to get out there - accountability needs to be two ways. When someone posts something up, it's pretty significant as they know they're going to subject it and themselves to public scrutiny. Then, to give your audience the right to basically anonmyously drive by and hit you/it with tomatoes is just wrong.

Thanks much!

E3
Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Aug 30, 2009, 9:55am EDT


I also disagree that ratings should be anonymous. A 'tomato' to you, may be a fair assessment of your work to another. The ratings system is meant to bubble up the "best stuff you've read on Gather'". Therefore not every post, photo and video would, or should, be worthy of a '10'. It is really the aggregate ratings that would matter...if ratings actually served any purpose on Gather.

Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 10:04am EDT
Kevin, people don't rate much because it doesn't mean anything, which gives the tomato throwers disproportionate impact. For me personally, it doesn't mean much, I'm going to write what I'm going to write. For others, especially newbies who are tentatively reaching out to the world with their writings, it could mean everything. I don't want to see promising new writers turn off to Gather because they encounter some jerk who's never going to be happy about anything anyway, least of all who they encounter in the mirror every morning.

Maybe the simple solution is, if ratings serve no purpose then why have them at all?

E3
Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Aug 30, 2009, 12:04pm EDT


Ed,

Ratings have not served a purpose for a very long time, and I have always advocated that the system be replaced or removed. I do agree with you though about low ratings potentially upsetting some members, both newbies and even the well-seasoned. However, low ratings occur on other sites too, and at least we do have the ability to turn them off here...but I would prefer another system ('recommendation'-based WITH accountability).

Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 12:17pm EDT
Kevin, I hear ya, I think the one thing we both agree on is that the current system could be improved. Maybe the powers that be will hear us!

E3
Ron Hall Aug 30, 2009, 1:03pm EDT
Tens are so common on Gather that anything less is viewed by the recipient as a loss. This is why I think ratings don't matter. Yes, the system is used more to ruin aggregate ratings than to really express a measure of merit. People who comment should have the opportunity to rate, and the rating should display along with the comment. I think this would increase the comment traffic, and we wouldn't have the cowards rating.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 1:14pm EDT
Ron, I totally agree, I think that would be the best system re this topic I've heard mentioned yet.

Thanks,

E3
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Nancy * Aug 30, 2009, 9:33am EDT
FLAGGED!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:34am EDT
LOL, and I actually enjoyed it!

E3
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Johnice R. Aug 30, 2009, 9:38am EDT
Just arriving after PC updates and I have not read past the title yet, and I tell you Ed, if you become any funnier I may need to purchase a box of “Depends”. {^0^} Now that I have that out of my system I will begin to read this article--comments will follow.{^0^}
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:56am EDT
LOL, not more I can add to that, my darlin'!

Smoochies,

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Marilyn is looking for whatever there is. N. Aug 30, 2009, 9:40am EDT
Unfortunately, I think Gather is well aware of this -- being that they're the ones who end up having to look at said flagged-material and it's been brought up in numerous chats with Management and nothing..........ever...........changes.
The only material I've flagged, has been my own. I know enough to not read something (by the way, who even assumed that the flaggers are reading the posts they're flagging? Doubtful!), that if it offends me, I'll just move along and find something else to read. How hard is that?

Marilyn (Can we take a poll on this?)
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:57am EDT
Marilyn, I know, why can't people just move on to something else if they don't like something and not ruin it for everyone else?

Smoochies,

E3
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Peter Joseph Swanson Aug 30, 2009, 9:43am EDT
It hasn't been flagged yet so maybe you're right.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:57am EDT
We'll see, Peter, the day is still young.....

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Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Aug 30, 2009, 9:43am EDT


I strongly disagree. The reporting of content should always remain anonymous as it ultimately leads to a fairer and more effective system for everyone. It isn't perfect, but many of the weaknesses come from the lack of community education, not transparency.

Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 9:59am EDT
Kevin, you know I have a lot of respect for you. That being said, what's fair about allowing people to sling darts with absolutely no accountability for it? And all the community education in the world isn't going to stop a**holes from being a**holes. If their parents couldn't stop it, Gather sure won't be able to.

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Kevin (''The SiteWizard'') V. Aug 30, 2009, 11:38am EDT


Ed,

The reporting (flagging) function on Gather serves a vital purpose and is primarily used well (in my experience). It is true that some malicious flagging does take place, but this is eclipsed by legitimate reports and reports submitted by members with good intentions, but not the knowledge or experience to recognize a legitimate violation.

If reporting was not anonymous, there would be a significantly reduced amount of content reported in the community which would lead to a commensurate increase in content and activities which violate the Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. This would degrade the entire site for everyone. This reduction would occur because many members would not bother to report legitimate violations for fear of reprisal, hurting the feelings of others, or for the perception the community would have of their actions. This is simply human nature.

Also, members that truly report content maliciously are contacted and dealt with by Gather, although privately. I'm certain that if they make it a habit, their accounts would be closed. Plus, in a system where reporting is transparent, members can simply create an alternate account (which is allowed) in order to report the content anonymously...thus easily defeating public accountability.

Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 12:21pm EDT
Kevin, I hear you, I really don't think we're that far apart conceptually, but our approaches would be a bit different. I feel like we have some folks here who most everyone would agree have a high likelihood for being purveyors of the poison, so to speak. Those people not only are still here, but actually kinda flaunt being a**holes, and obviously someone is protecting them. You yourself have been targeted more than once. I'd be more inclined to go with your solutions if I saw some of those types being dealt with.

Great comments, my man, always enjoy seeing you with us!

E3
Joyce ("Site Cheshire Kitteh") L. Aug 31, 2009, 3:18am EDT
Well, there it is, the Azzholes win again. Sigh.

Ok, how's this, keep it anomyous, but it gets recorded on the flaggers record. All records get reviewed say, once a month. If a pattern emerges, the flagger gets the boot.
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Stacey *Mamasaid* D. Aug 30, 2009, 9:46am EDT
Excellent point. I agree the flaggers should be held accountable. I've seen too much flagging due to personal issues around here. Much of it seems to be based on jealousy or irrationality. Being identified would eliminate a lot of false flagging. Are you paying attention Gather?! ;)

Now I'm off to fly my freak flag (the only flagging I ever do) and consider some liquor and cussing myself :)
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 10:00am EDT
Stacey, you know I esteem ya, and if you have a really good time drinkin' liquor and cussin' I hope you'll tell me about it!

Smoochies,

E3
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Joanne Vicente Aug 30, 2009, 10:04am EDT
Great point! I often think there's room here for all sorts of hatred spewing about politics and religion, but humanity gets flagged. If we had to identify the flaggers, perhaps free speech could return to Gather. I really hope admin. will read all these posts and responses and see how wrong they were to institute the system. People who don't like an article can simply delete it. They really don't have to defame it!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 10:06am EDT
Or Joanne, to add to your point, why have ratings at all? I don't see that they serve any purpose other than to cause people to feel bad, especially when tomatoed by anonymous flaggers......

Smoochies,

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Johnice R. Aug 30, 2009, 10:07am EDT
Well Ed, The title did get me going yet, this is a serious issue and I cannot add any more support for what has been said. Evil-doers are everywhere and some of them have computers on Broadband--go figure. Gather is, I believe as frustrated as many of us and they just cannot compete with the problem makers and their nasty tricks.

How do we create a Democracy within a Democracy when we cannot trust or identify the conscience or character of the participants? We cannot, not here not in Government--I think it was Bush 41, the elder, who said there is such a thing as too much Freedom. Add to the mix of those who believe in freedom, or anything really, and you will find zealots and idealists and the complacent it is a human condition.

So what is a comedy writer to do--write COMEDY and live your life, I will also have a drink on Sunday and participate in some other unpopular activity commonly found to be unfavorable with the ultra righteous.

When you are surrounded by friends you can say anything and writ anything and be understood and if not by all your friends know how to discuss things with humor and civility--as we know it.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 10:08am EDT
Smoochies to you, my darlin' Have one sip for me.....

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golds g. Aug 30, 2009, 10:24am EDT
I prefer your regular articles please write some more
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 10:36am EDT
Darlin', I will. Sometimes, though, you have to change 'em up, yet folks will start goin' to sleep on you.....

Smoochies,

E3
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Tiffany v. Aug 30, 2009, 11:12am EDT
You are so right Ed. Sometimes I just wanna give these self appointed "Gather Police" a swift smack in the face. They are just jealous of creative people, or people like me that say it like it is. As far as I am concerned, they can kiss my southern white ass. (There is one for the flaggers, I cursed! LOL)
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 12:23pm EDT
Tiffany, anyone who goes off half-cocked on a "cause" is someone to watch out for in the first place. You can always pick them out, and one thinig you can always count on is outside of the "cause" they're dull as hell and typically have little else to write about or offer.

Now, re them kissing your white Southern ass, I'll just say this due to the mental imagery involved - get thee behind me, Satan!

Double smoochies,

E3
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Elizabeth O. Aug 30, 2009, 11:20am EDT
I came back to check on the progress here. Quite a few views and more comments than I thought, the majority of which I agree with.

One of your comments to someone was "if ratings don't matter, why have them at all?" Good point. If all posts have the same importance, then why rate them? Shouldn't it be the views that count more? Low ratings and anonymous flagging serves no other purpose than a mean spirited sneak ambush.

I enjoy the diversity here. I read lots of different things, some I like, some I don't, in which case I don't always read all of it, and I move on, not rating or commenting. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion, whether I agree with it or not. Freedom of speech is the first amendment, but that doesn't give me the right to cowardly blast someone for exercising their right.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 12:24pm EDT
Bethie, I'm surprised as to the level of interest myself. And if these people weren't ashamed/embarassed as to what they're doing then they wouldn't hide it in the first place.

You have the best day, darlin',

E3
Vivian P. Aug 30, 2009, 12:55pm EDT
you go Elizabeth
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Vivian P. Aug 30, 2009, 12:43pm EDT
actually Ed all that sugary sweet crap makes me rather ill. And I live a rather wholesome life ( quit laughing ) I couldn't stand the brady bunch, little house on the prairie, and countless other phony white washed shows . Thats not real life
I agree we should be able to know who and why we are flagged and low rated It's only fair.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 1:15pm EDT
Sunday smoochies for you, you good lookin' thing, you!

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Debbie W. Aug 30, 2009, 12:44pm EDT
A ten !
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 1:15pm EDT
Thanks darlin'!

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Matt O. Aug 30, 2009, 12:48pm EDT
To quote James Brown... "I feel good..."
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 1:16pm EDT
And I'm glad, Matt - thanks for the comment!

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Annmarie B. Aug 30, 2009, 1:16pm EDT
I am with Debbie, 10 bring those anatomy posts back. Always good to learn something new that I might need to know. Ya know what I mean. I don't drink but I love to laugh and run in the sun!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 2:27pm EDT
Darlin', I will, I promise next Saturday's article might be my craziest yet....

Triple smoochies,

E3
Annmarie B. Aug 30, 2009, 10:55pm EDT
I will be waiting
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EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Aug 30, 2009, 1:28pm EDT
This should be flagged for harassment. It's my god-given, Constitutional right to flag people's work and you're threatening that with this article.

I'm surprised some one didn't flag it for gratuitous use of the word "beaver." Can we actually trust you were using that word innocently?

Really, people who flag should be required to leave a comment saying why they threw a hankie on the play. Anonymous flags are juvenile.

Or better yet, they should be grown up enough to say to themselves, "This is not the kind of stuff I want to read," and walk away from the page.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 2:29pm EDT
My responses, darlin':

Paragraph 1: Will a bribe work to keep ya from reporting me?
Paragragh 2: You can never trust I'd use that word innocently.
Paragraph 4: You couldn't be more right!

Smoochies,

E3
EM JAY (Gather Director of Chaos & Uprisings) W. Aug 30, 2009, 3:11pm EDT
I can be correct, Ed, but I'll never be right in any way.

Hugs,
MJ
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Holly A. Aug 30, 2009, 2:47pm EDT
Have to grin that the "report this as potentially inappropriate" is at the end of the page. Yet everything else is up top. Wonder if the flaggers even take time to read the article and comments or just take the long scroll down for their dirty deed.



Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 2:49pm EDT
Holly, honestly I think some of them never read the article, I think its either who the writer is or what the title says.

Smoochies,

E3
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Sonia M. Aug 30, 2009, 3:12pm EDT
I should flag this.

Yes. I should. Maybe I will.

Maybe not for the content of the article, but for the content of your comments.

Hmphf......haven't you heard of sexual harasment....?
Your smoochies and calling female commenters darlin' and you good lookin' thing, you! are inappropriate..... where have you been living?

Now.....I might reconsider if I'm called darlin' and gorgeous too.....

;-)

Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 3:13pm EDT
Ummmm, okay! Sonia, you hot, good lookin', darlin', gorgeous thing, you!

Double smoochies and thanks, I'm still laughing!

E3
Sonia M. Aug 30, 2009, 3:16pm EDT
Well.........!

That worked out pretty good....don't you think?
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 3:20pm EDT
We both got what we wanted, and I'm puffing the afterglow cigarette now as we speak......

E3
Sonia M. Aug 30, 2009, 3:22pm EDT
Too funny............

Ed. I might not always comment, (sometimes I just don't know what to say)but I do read. Keep on being yourself and please don't change.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 4:36pm EDT
Sonia, you are so sweet, just know you are very much appreciated!

Smoochies,

E3
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Joy McCormick Aug 30, 2009, 3:20pm EDT
ED,
Pay no mind to the darn flaggers and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't start writing that way
(points to above passage) all the time.

Some of us are stuck livin' out here in Alwaysgottabepleasantandnice City and dang, reading your stuff is the only way we can even have a chance to keep our sanity!!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 3:26pm EDT
Joy, I love writing about fun stuff and I'm honored sweet people like you read it. Believe me, I'm not changing for some lop headed folks who aren't happy with themselves, much less anyone else.

Triple smoochies,

E3
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Tracy Fabre Aug 30, 2009, 3:41pm EDT
Oh... I thought you were talking about flogging. Flogging should never be anonymous. You should always know the person you're flogging, or being flogged by.

Oh, and there's a semi-colon missing from one of your paragraphs so I'm going to flag this for punctuation abuse. Just thought you should know. :-)
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 3:42pm EDT
TracyIapreesheate that;".!

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Tracy Fabre Aug 30, 2009, 3:48pm EDT
*snicker*
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Janie E. Aug 30, 2009, 3:59pm EDT
I've never been flagged,(KNOCK ON WOOD!)but, if it were to happen to me, it wouldn't matter. To flag or not to flag. That is the question. BTW, I've never flagged an article, either!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 4:35pm EDT
Janie, you're a sweet, cool person, I'd not surprised you haven't. And I'm betting lots of people who have wouldn't surprise me, either!

Smoochies,

E3
Janie E. Aug 30, 2009, 4:48pm EDT
Thank you, Ed!! LOL!! Well, that's a given. I think you know who they are!
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Maurice K. Aug 30, 2009, 4:25pm EDT
I've always enjoyed your posts. I don't understand the flaggers, either, but then again, that's me talking. Maybe I had better stop before I say something that gets you flagged.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 4:35pm EDT
Ah c'mon Maurice, you know you want to!

Great comment, I'm still smiling,

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Georgiana S. Aug 30, 2009, 5:56pm EDT
What a capital idea!

I KNOW it is jealousy and low self-esteem thatgets the flaggers on the rampage! They can't do, they can't even teach, so they 'monitor'. It is a sad lives they lead. 'barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen all of their adult lives and breeding more to do the same.

George Carlin explained it when that crazy Jesse Helms was censoring media,"...there are two knobs on your radios/TV's, one is volume and the other CHANGES THE CHANNEL! If you don't like something/ Don't listen don't watch, don't read it!" I am paraphrasing, but it is simple logic.
I will write the powers that be Gather and see if we can't get the playing field more even.
Thanks
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 6:04pm EDT
Worst of all, Georgiana, they're boring. They're boring, one tracked, and can't understand why people don't like them. And what you said about them breeding more of the same is classic.

Please write, and maybe between people writing and this blog we might see a change or two made. We can always try!

Smoochies for a classy lady,

E3
Vivian P. Aug 30, 2009, 6:13pm EDT
But the guys aren't barefoot and pregnant or is that why the have those pot bellies ???????
AM I going to get into trouble here ?
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 6:47pm EDT
You get into trouble? I know that's never happened before......

Smoochies,

E3
Georgiana S. Aug 30, 2009, 6:54pm EDT
They are closed-minded, sorry excuses for human beings. The ones that were left behind and continue to propigate more of the same.
The men want their women subserviant and just there to satisfy their base need for making more of the same. As though there were still mortality rates in western civilisation that called for having lots of kids!
They can't afford them, are raising them of fatback and fast food (same thing) and wondering why health care is so expensive, because they live unhealthily!
They have that mob mentality where anyone can get them worked up and talk them into becoming the villiagers with torches and pitchforks, killing off their benefactors and mistrusting the people who want to help them get out of their ruts.
I do not care what is on sale at WalMart (don't even have a Wal-Mart near me anywhere! They figured it would bring down the neighbourhood!), I don't care what you are stuffing your faces with or what happened at school or the park particularly.
I want to share what is out here in the real world and they think it raw, un-natural and in need of censorship! Go figure!
Ferosh (Site Translator for LOLSPEAK)is O. Sep 1, 2009, 7:17am EDT
Somebody looking for 'trouble'? Why, I just happen some extra with me in my purse I keep for emergencies.:) Help yourselves, it seems I have an endless supply. lol
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Vivian P. Aug 30, 2009, 6:16pm EDT
I posted an article that merely mentioned that my husband and I had sex and I felt I needed to flag it myself cause If I didn't someone would.
Oh and I have often wondered if these people who flag are the ones who let their kids watch Family Guy and the Simpsons which both contain some real raw talk.
I have seen lots worse stuff on TV and they want to to cover your pets genitals ?
Vivian P. Aug 30, 2009, 6:17pm EDT
Oh can't post this one Scooters little dingy is a showing
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 6:47pm EDT
Well, just as long as my......oh hell, I'm not even going to say it.....

E3
Georgiana S. Aug 30, 2009, 6:54pm EDT
Penis envy?!!
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 7:36pm EDT
No Georgiana, I have one and I don't envy it at all, I like it, me and him have been good friends for years!

E3
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Raven Wytch Aug 30, 2009, 6:34pm EDT
It really scares me that you could do that *shudder* good article. DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN!!!! Seriously, I don't think I have to worry about the hypoglycemia today.

I'm not a writer. Never claimed to be one. Never tried to be one. I've learned to ignore the ratings. I've got a grand total of seven articles up. I've only had one downrated. The kicker is the one that was downrated was about my dad. It's the one that means the most to me personally. It was very hard to put those thoughts down. My first thought on the downrating was, "Why did I even bother?" The second thought was, "Screw them!"

I agree with you point to Kevin about new writers, Ed. If I didn't have that second thought, I probably never would have posted anything else.
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 6:48pm EDT
Raven, you're a sweetie, I always enjoy both you and your comments.

Did I tell you I was gonna be really, really bad next Saturday?

Smoochies,

E3
Raven Wytch Aug 30, 2009, 6:53pm EDT
Tease! ;)
Georgiana S. Aug 30, 2009, 6:55pm EDT
Raven,
I posted one about my dad too and that got lo-balled as well1 I guess when your dad is also your uncle, first cousin or.....never mind! LOL
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 7:36pm EDT
LOL, we are in the gutter tonight, people, the gutter!

Smoochies,

E3
Joyce ("Site Cheshire Kitteh") L. Aug 31, 2009, 3:35am EDT
Is there a problem with that?
Ed Williams Aug 31, 2009, 6:51pm EDT
None for me, darlin', it's a location I've had a bit of familiarity with over the years.....

E3
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Debby O. Aug 30, 2009, 7:57pm EDT
Hang on there Ed. I think some people just like to be nasty to make themselves feel better somehow, but what they don't know is that their remarks can be traced right back to the source! There is a un-named person in court right now waiting to see what their punishment will be for writing uncalled for, nasty emails! This person was traced through one of the emails and the person hired a lawyer and took them to court! There has never been a case as this before I guess and everyone is waiting to see if there is just a stiff fine or jail time too for this nasty person! There has to be another way to get your frustrations out without sending these nastygrams as they are calling them? I say, " IT IS ABOUT TIME! "
Ed Williams Aug 30, 2009, 7:58pm EDT
Debby, as someone who's been visciously attacked online in the past, all I can do is read your comments and smile.

Thanks for sharing them!

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