For those who have been anxious to learn what circumstances would constitute a victory in the Afghan campaign, an answer of sorts is at hand.
When asked, on Wednesday, how the administration would define success in the war, special envoy Richard C. Holbrooke paraphrased Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart’s assessment of pornography with the answer shown in the above title. He also said he preferred the word “success’ when discussing the objectives rather than the word “win.”
The U.S. force in Afghanistan is expected to reach 68,000 by the end of the year, up by 21,000 under President Obama. Casualties are also up. July was the bloodiest month in the nearly-eight-year campaign.
Last week, the Department of Defense released the obituaries of 10 American troops killed in that country, ranging in age from 20 to 40. Half of the deaths occurred in Helmand province, along the Pakistani border. Total U.S. deaths in Afghanistan now total 782, according to the independent website icasualties.org.
The Pentagon has announced on several occasions that its military campaign in Afghanistan is accompanied by an increasingly important public relations effort attempting to win over the support of the public. Of particular significance has been an attempt to woo the tribal warlords away from Taliban. The warlords oversee a mammoth drug-producing economy that accounts for much of the world’s opium and heroin. The United Nations is expected to release a report soon showing that the Taliban receives about $125 million annually from the proceeds of the drug trade.
The Pentagon’s public relations campaign has suffered somewhat from unintended civilian casualties caused by U.S. raids. Also, despite the political change in Washington, the private contractor firm, Blackwater, is still in the picture, although under a different name, and it is again embroiled in controversy.
The incident in question involved the killing of two unarmed civilians, ages 22 and 24, by four employees of the contractor, which now goes by the name Xe. The shootings were said to have been unprovoked and the shooters were not authorized to have been carrying weapons at the time, according to a U.S. military spokesman.
The four contractors would have been subject to Afghan law but they were taken out of the country before a case could be established. The situation has resulted in bitterness against the U.S., particularly in the Kabul area where it took place.
A general election is to be held on Thursday and President Hamid Karzai is expected to retain his leadership role, although there may have to be a runoff contest if he doesn’t get more than 50% of the vote against his 40 current adversaries. In the meantime, the Taliban is doing all it can to destabilize the situation and disrupt the process. It claims it will cut off the fingers of those who vote and it launched a brazen car bomb attack on Saturday morning at the front gate of the main western military base in Kabul.
Meanwhile, in Iraq, the removal of most U.S. troops from the cities’ streets at the end of June, has resulted in a sharp drop in casualties. Last week the Department of Defense released the obituary of one 41-year-old soldier in that country whose death was categorized as being non-combat-related. Total U.S. deaths in Iraq now stand at 4,331, according to icasualties.org.


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Sounds like "chicken feed" compared to the multi-billions the "trade" is generating . . . any guesses about who's making the big bucks?
After our invasion in the country it was also reported that we cozied up to some of the warlords and that they capitalized on their relationship with Washington to become involved, either directly or through associates, in the political process in Kabul. Some of the money thus ended up in the hands of the politicians, including, according to reports, Karzai's brother.
The $125 million is chicken feed, but since the Taliban only pays its members $10 per day, that leaves a lot to buy munitions and arms. Furthermore, it's reported that because of the donations the insurgent organization receives from sources in other countries, especially Saudi Arabia, it doesn't need any more from the warlords.
There was also some suspicion that some of the funds financed an off-the-books operation, including the so-called assassination program, run by Cheney, but at this point that is strictly speculation.
PS~ No, nothing sure fire about comprehension around here ; )
Why are we in Afghanistan and what is our real exit strategy?
I know why the Bush administration went into Afghanistan. But we didn't get Osama bin Laden or destroy Al Qaeda's leadership. So I think the current administration should tell us why we are there now and what the exit strategy is.
It's a legitimate question.
The first part of your question is: Why are we in Afghanistan?
Without the historical context, the question becomes meaningless, and even nonsensical.
That's not living in the past, that's putting at least the first part of your question into the proper perspective.
Both President Bush (second term) and President Obama (see ... non-partisan statement) have failed to articulate a clear mission and exit strategy for our troops in Afghanistan, a bad move for a Commander-in-Chief.
Jeannie is right, unless the President gets his act together, he could be headed for an LBJ legacy. He can blame the Bush administration, but it's his war now.
Obama has started a war in my opinion on a lie, Obama never believed Afghanastan is the war for him to fight, just last week he said that winning is not the important thing-Why are we their, to lose lives for what a TIE. So Obama can not be accused of breaking a campaign promise?.
Mr.President your heart is not in it- do not have our soldiers die if you think we can not win. done that-NAM, 60,000 DEAD.
Speaking of heroin, do you inject it directly into your forehead?
THe war in Iraq was completely unecessary.
If the Bush gang had used those resources in Afghanistan, the conflict there would be over by now.
Iraq was the wrong war.
Now fixing Bush's mess and stupid moves is WRONG?
A parody even Micky d mike get.
Cops are about to handcuff a serial killer.
The cief of police says "hey let him go, I think that house next door has illegal guns"
"But Chief" a rookie protests"This guy killed/raped over 3,000"
"Never mind that, that's all in the past" the chief exclaimed "the real menace are those guns in that house"
"How can you be sure there's guns in there?" The second rookie asked.
"What are you on the side of the criminal?" the chief asks.
"Why no...."
The chief interrupts "I am NOT going to let a sniper taken out anyone of you boys on my watch! Come on boys storm that house!"
The rapist walks away with a handcuff dangling from one wrist.
It was a fair sized news item early in Obama's term.
If this is President Obama's war, who got us into it? Why did they do such a half-assed job on it while lining the pockets of their Haliburton and Blackwater buddies with BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in no-bid contracts? Why did we kill over 4000 brave Americans, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, so that the Chinese could buy oil from Baghdad?
micky, I can always count on you to say something so astoundingly stupid that you make Glenn Beck look like Aristotle. Thanks for never letting me down.
Afghanistan because that is where Bin Laden was(is?)
I hope the allies will soon after the election, today, declare work, done and withdraw. Afghans who are educated and able to rebuild the country have fled, many are right here in the U.S.A.
If the Afghans don't want a democratic government, it cannot be forced on them.
Iraq is the same. They prefer killing each other to agreeing to share power.
What exactly is winning there? Killing all Taliban? Exactly and specifically what would have to happen for us to have won?
Obama, now has "his"- war to deal with in Afghanastan, lets see if Obama can leave his war with a victory like Bush did??
Every soldier who dies in the Obama war is on his watch- every citizen who dies because of missles in his war, is his body counts.
I will treat the war- monger Obama just as harshly as you people treated Bush-Cheney.
Where do you get your info?
Straight from Rush’s orifice?
Women with freedom in their minds get murdered in Iraq. An Iraqi woman: “they want us to be just like Taliban”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZj0nsj2DyE
Gays in Iraq murdered under guidelines sent up by SADDAM.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/17/iraq.homo
sexual.killings/index.html
Oh, I forgot, when religio extremists win, the neocon movement
wins.
Al Qaeda came to Iraq?
Now I know you’re off your rocker. Remember McCain made
a similar gaffe , Senator Liebberman whispered the truth to him.
I am sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not Al-Qaeda,
not Al-Qaeda, I am sorry," McCain said.
Obama pounced:
"Just yesterday, we heard Senator McCain confuse Sunni
and Shiite, Iran and Al-Qaeda,"
"Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country
that had no Al-Qaeda ties,"
"Above all, the war in Iraq has emboldened Al-Qaeda,
whose recruitment has jumped and whose leadership
enjoys a safe-haven in Pakistan -- a THOUSAND miles from Iraq."
Obama, now has "his"- war to deal with in Afghanistan
Obama now has to finish the real job Bush left unfinished
when he went to war in Iraq.
Any soldier killed NOW is because Bush sidetracked us
and left the real menace to grow and fester.
IMHO, in war there are no winners, only survivors.
Typical. The question was not answered. That's because there is no answer and there is no "win" or "success" going to happen. When or if we ever pull out the country will go back to the way it was before we invaded.
As to the Opium trade, The Talaban had all but eliminated the growing of poppies. Now it is flourshing again. Yep we did a lot of good - NOT
What a waste, and what a con job it takes to keep us there.
It's clear to me that the UN was signatory to the real reason for that invasion and I don't believe it was to get OBL
Al qiada should have been handled like any other "criminal" organization. Sending our troops to wage war was never the correct answer and it's still wrong and immoral. Obama must get us out period. No more war!!!
Terrorist attacks are criminal matters and should be addressed by criminal justice organizations, not the military. Of course the idea that we're really in these countries to fight terrorism is a sham, so...
Anybody?
BTW, the administration now allows photos of the flag draped coffins coming back to Dover, Deleware. The media, however, is evidently on the side of the war hawks because we haven't seen many, except when it was first allowed.
The movie "Charlie Wilson's War" provides some insight into why the terrorists were able to establish such a strong presence there.
I'm unsure about the Obama administration's commitment to this campaign however. The cost, both human and in treasure is growing and demands for resources are increasing. Despite the lack of outcry from either the formerly anti war media or Dem congress so far, that may not last forever. Some of the more principled anti war types have stuck to their fight despite a Dem president and that will grow as time goes on. Obama is losing that aura of invincibility too, that may have more Dems jumping ship as time goes on.
Thinking about it, the cornerstone of the Bush administration was tax-cuts, and military spending, they knew damn well what was going to happen.
In a way you are doing the same thing only sounding more conciliatory saying it is going to be decided by out commitment to the campaign, and not the fact that we are so far in debt. That debt, the major issue that is choking the hell out of the country is due to the policies and spending of the Republicans.
What's more, the same thing has happened under every Republican administration because the Republicans basically have to behave dishonestly to the people. If they have a policy of choking out public spending and programs by running up debt, then they should be honest about it to everyone, because that is just what they have done, and key Republican strategist have even declared it was intentional.
Of course the media bears its share of blame as well, but every industry that falls into this corporatized ownership and management becomes incompetent to do its job over time anyway.
Yeah, blame one administration for the misdeeds of the last 80 years and then triple the mistakes of the last one to make up for it all. Makes perfect sense.