Swine Flu Vaccine Update!

Wiggles his butt trying to dodge Nurse's needle !



I got sick the first week of the flu reports a few months ago and i was not sure if i had it back them ). What a blessing I didn't have the flu.

I've heard way too many bad things about this swine flu vaccine....there is no way my family or I will even consider getting the shots.......I figure, just use common sense and take the necessary precautions to avoid this flu, as with any other illness.

I got sick in 76 with that vaccine, I won't get this one. we are already stocking up on hand sanitizers at work and boss said we can wear plastic gloves when handling money at work.

Same here!

The last shots I got were way back in my college years. T stopped getting the kids shots, but now, they just follow the program layed out these days.

Swine flu vaccine being developed for American use will be untested and very dangerous and they are also allowing the drug lords to use live virus in the drugs. Their are less painful ways to commit suicide than taking poison drugs.

I won't be getting one. I was reading yesterday how China has had zero deaths with swine flu, although they have had some cases. Why? For one thing, they don't get Tamiflu. They use Chinese herbs and are doing just fine and not dying.

Like Nora, everything I've read about this vaccine is not good. There won't be time for trials, so who knows if the vaccine itself will kill.

Oreganol. It's easily available at one's local health food store, and online. It's very powerful stuff, and a tint bit goes a long way. Read up, and stock up, before you find it not available anymore.

Thanks, Dorothy.

Heard of that before - made our of oregano. How about colidal silver? I have that stocked and you can get on you tube and learn how to make your own and stock up.

Interesting about Tamiflu. The main ingredient in Tamiflu is star anise from a plant that is native to China and has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for 5,000 years. So actually Tamiflu comes from a native plant.

There are other natural antiviral extracts you can get now that studies have shown to boost the immune system and decrease the severity and length of time you have the flu should you get it. There is the elderberry extract from the elderberry bush. Usually sold as Sambucus or Sambucol. And there is the extract from the Pelargonium sidoides plant native to South Africa and is sold in the US as Umcka. Umcka is actually an antiviral and antibacterial, so it could help against flu and pneumonia.

Here are a couple of good articles about both of these extracts if you want to read them.

The Health Benefits of Umcka

Fight The Flu With Sambucus

Health Articles

Thanks, Sam.

me nor my family will be getting that shot. I heard way to many bad things about that shot.

my kids won't be getting that

BRAVO!!! I'm SO relieved to see that so many are educated and up to date about all these never ending vaccines that are hitting the market and being pushed onto the public! Scare tactics are used by government, hand in glove with the pharmacutical companies, to induce the public to roll up their sleeves and simply trust them to know what's best for our children and ourselves.......

LOL I was going to use the phrase "scare tactics" as well, but I would apply it to your post. There are thousands who die each year from influenza or its complications. If you don't get the shot, I sure hope you have health insurance!

People die everyday from all kinds of things. The death tolls from flu are greatly exaggerated to SCARE people into getting the shots. If you see the needle coming at you, RUN!

You are right, Teresa..... Me thinks that Ian just simply LOVES to argue with this poster, no matter the subject being discussed? lol...

Ian, take a minute and check out this information. There is form there also that your doctor can sign regarding liability, do you think he/she will sign it?

Vaccine Information and Consent Form

We don't do any vaccinations and so we certainly will not be getting this one. If you take good care of yourself you will be fine. People who think they have the flu should STAY HOME!

From what I've studied, I suspect vaccines may not be quite as dangerous to our long and short term health IF they greened them up, took the toxic preservatives out AND devised a method of NOT injecting them right into the bloodstream! In so doing, they take the artificial route and detour the body's first line of natural defence, bombard the body with antigens which then kicks the immune system into overdrive, and sets the stage for serious immune related health problems or death, either soon after or in the future....

Please read up on the many usual vacines, as well. Not just the stuff that's considered scare tactics, but the stuff that is put out by the health departments, and doctors offices.

When I finallally got all that info. (it's considered legitimate) it will tell you right there, that people who have, are suseptable, or have family members who have seazures should not take, nor be administered these vacines.

I then had a perfectly acceptable reason for refusing the shots.
Many who are also allergic to eggs should not get these vacines.

The facts are totally mind boggling, Dorothy!... I've been researching this issue for several years...

I've posted several articles on this man made swine flu - it's about depopulation. If you read about all the planning and with a few (not unexpected deaths) it should give you REAL pause. Ck out my posts.

We don't get the flu shot, any new vaccines, and no one in my home will be getting the swine flu shot.

Ian, may I advise you to check the facts against your opinions?

No vaccine for me! I don't trust the drug companies. Who knows what they'll be putting in people's bodies? I don't have any children in school. Maybe a lot of people will decide to homeschool, but many others are just sheep and will do anything suggested by the government they trust so much. It is heartwarming to see that so many of you are conscious of the problems in this country. I have a vaccine debate on my Swine Flu Lens and you would be surprised how many people will just belly up to the bar and allow themselves to be inoculated this way.

You're right, Linda. People who think that the government or drug companies might not have everyone's best interests in mind are considered to be conspiracy theorists. And fruitcakes. And worse. Oh well. We're not sheeple.

Yep, a lotta folks will protect their children without giving it a thought. They should be SO ashamed.

People who will make health care decisions for their children based on the advice of politicians or friends instead of the advice of their doctors are the fruitcakes and child abusers. People who take their children to doctors they don't trust to make this decision are also fruitcakes. And worse.

I don't get my information via politics - like others posting here, have done extensive research. There are some good vaccines - before the govt and Big Pharma got into the sack together. You want to research every one - and NOT on a govt or Big Pharma website. The FDA (govt agency) and AMA have been largely taken over by the mighty dollar.
Harvard Med. School professors, because of a law suit, now have to declare the millions of dollars they were taking to promote drugs. Statin as the one that exposed their hidden agendas.
So, what have they been teaching our doctors?

Doctors do not have time to do their own research - they rely on the drug pushers (drug reps) who were TAUGHT BY BIG PHARMA - HELLO! Also taught what to tell the docs who have concerns (because of patient outcome) and they know exactly how to SQUASH the concern.

Just think about how many drugs have killed thousands before being recalled? Old media doesn't tell you - whistle blowers tell us.

Prem-Pro is a prime example. Doubles the risk of cancer and heart attack in women, by 900% in the FIRST YEAR of taking them. So, if you survive that (which I did plus 13 more years) before the truth finally came out - what does that tell you? Raises a red flag with me and who to trust, and led to my extensive research, as others on here have noted also.

Ultimately, each must come to their own conclusion, however, the rest of us OWE it to YOU to raise the questions.

Swine Flu/ Rumsfeld Connection!!!
"Donald Rumsfeld has made a killing out of bird flu. The US Defence Secretary has made more than $5m (£2.9m) in capital gains from selling shares in the biotechnology firm that discovered and developed Tamiflu, the drug being bought in massive amounts by Governments to treat a possible human pandemic of the disease."

I think it is convenient that the same man that deploys our government to create and deploy biological weapons, owns or even owned, the only company that invented the cure.

Donald Rumsfeld is also the former CEO of G.D. Searle & Company, a pharmaceutical company that developed ASPERTAME. He's the one that APPROVED this sweetener to be put on the market - it is known as "Equal" or "Nutra Sweet" and is in your diet cokes... many people consider aspertame a poison!

.. many people consider aspertame a poison! And yet, so FEW have died from it... in fact, I believe the correct number is ZERO!

Check out: Aspartame killed my wife (video)

Chuck,
So chronic medical conditions caused by artificial garbage isn't enough? People have to die? I can't use the stuff nor could my Mother or my children. There is no study in the world that can tell me that aspartame or any of the others are safe for consumption. I do not subscribe to the theory that if our Government says it's safe then it's safe. In fact, I think just the opposite. FDA approved = Someone paid big $$ for approval. That's all.

It's all cumulative, Chuck - little by little it affects your whole body, starting with the brain.

"Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health."

Yep... WAY better polio and smallpox should still be rampant in the world's population. And how 'bout a round or two of Diphtheria. It's best to kill kids young, before they can reproduce. And Whooping Cough (Pertussis), as a survivor, I'm here to tell you that you do your kids no favor by refusing them this injection. Oh, and let's not forget Rubella (measles)... Those handicapped babies are SO much fun to watch.

Woman, you oughta have your mouth washed out with soap. This is just evil.

You wish! LOL... Like I said fella, match the FACTS with your OPINIONS?

The Pharma's Cauldron would a adequate 1st grade education for ya..
Fillet of marsh snake, in the cauldron boil and bake Eye of newt and toes of frog

Cynthia Janak a brilliant and talented USA journalist has just written a mind blowing paper on the ingredients of the swine flu vaccine soon to be released and vaccinated into millions of citizens worldwide. Doctors, Pharma and Governments have been telling us for decades that vaccines are good for us but a cursory read of Cynthia's paper tells a very different story. Her work is well referenced and evidenced.

I agree Chuck. If H1N1 starts killing folks in large numbers, their tune will change, pronto.

Belly up to the bar, boys, and get your shots. Mass graves have already been dug...

Check them out: FEMA and DHA Prepared Mass Graves

Check it out

Vaccine Information and Consent Form

WOW!

The truth is out there, and those who don't want to know or cannot believe it ALWAYS call it a conspiracy theory.

I think when they started increasing the number of vaccines they are giving children is when Autism and other conditions started appearing. If we review the 'additives" in the vaccines, and go back to that time, then can re-evaluate.

The ONLY polio cases today appear in those who have been vaccinated.

The health department has done so well that people have forgotten how the world used to always be full of plague that wiped out entire towns.

Read my comment below, friend......

I'm skeptical as to how a swine flu vaccine would work well, when the regular flu vaccine causes people to get the flu anyway!

Sorry, Beth... that's a FAIL. Flu vaccine doesn't give you flu. It sometimes causes mild flu-like symptoms, which is typically an over-aggressive immune response to the vaccine.

Chuck, your further, personal, extended research is definantly warrented, my friend..

The flu vaccine - every year - is 1% effective. Why, because it was developed based on the "flu" from the year before, but the same strains do not re-appear. It's just a money maker for big pharma. The harm it DOES do, is inject you with poisons which have a cumulative effect. Why is Alzheimer's so prevalent now?

The one problem with telling people "if you feel like you have the flu, stay home" is that by the time someone feels sick, they have already been infected and contaminating others for at least a few days. So they have spread the virus before they even have symptoms themselves. That's not such an easy answer.

"IF they greened them up, took the toxic preservatives out AND devised a method of NOT injecting them right into the bloodstream!"

Sandy -- check YOUR facts. Vaccines are injected into muscle, not into the bloodstream.

The point of preservatives is to be toxic - you wouldn't want something that's rotting shot into your body, either.

Jodie, lol.. do they not then enter the bloodstream via an alternative, unatural route? Are you aware that 70% of our immune system is located in the intestines?..... Here's a wee bit of FACTS for ya.......

1st defense level is the intestinal microflora.
2nd defense level is intestinal lining, a physical barrier.
3rd defense level is the intestinal immune system.

The GALT (Gut Associated Lymphoid Tissue) is made up of several types of lymphoid tissue that produce and store immune cells that carry out attacks and defend against harmful bacteria.

Our immune systems most effectively attack invading organisms that are inhaled, ingested or touched. The first line of defense against viruses and bacteria is immunoglobulin A (IgA), which is found in the mucosal linings of our noses and intestines and in our saliva.

Injecting a disease bypasses this first line of defense. When bypassed the IgA transmutes to immunoglobulin E (IgE), the harbinger for recurrent infections. As the B cells, that make antibodies to antigens, increase, activated by the antigens in the vaccine, the T cells, which are responsible for cell-based immunity and cell memory, decrease.

Cell memory makes those of us who have actually experienced the disease completely immune thereafter those who get vaccines sometimes get what they were vaccinated for: whooping cough, measles or chickenpox.
Since 1979, with the rare exception of someone coming into this country with polio, the live oral polio vaccine has caused all other cases of polio in the U.S.

The virus in any vaccine is cultured on tissue from monkeys, chicks or aborted fetuses, which have produced antigens that cannot be filtered out. These antigens can affect the human body. For example, the antibody to the myelin (the protective sheath around nerves) protein from chick cell culture can cross react with human tissue, causing myelin destruction of the vaccine receiver, which can cause ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), mental retardation, Lou Gehrig's disease, multiple sclerosis, seizures and other autoimmune disorders.

The measles virus, for example, has proteins very similar to those in myelin, so the antibodies setting out to destroy the virus end up destroying the myelin of those vaccinated, causing postvaccinal encephalomyelitis, which has been renamed autism.

And the FACTS are this, my friend...........Personal, although extensive research barely scratches the surface of the true nature of vaccines. We take them and give them to our kids out of fear and because schools and programs have excluded those who refuse vaccinations. One out of six children is now labeled learning disabled, one out of 166 children is autistic, most of whom are boys. The numbers have risen in proportion to the number of vaccines given.

Why??? So Jodi, I would advise YOU to check what you believe to be your facts?

I would advise the same to Chuck, Peter and anyone else who THINKS they know the facts about vaccines, when in fact, they believe ONLY what they've been told...........

Sandy or John or whichever one of you is typing - please explain how you KNOW and are not just repeating what you've been told (reading is the same as being told).

Sandy, unless otherwise stated, it's Sandy here.. John rarely visits this site..
To answer your question, I have two answers for ya..First, I know what I know though it's only the tip of the iceberg, because I've researched thousands upon thousands of pages of information over the years..Pro AND con........ Scientific, professional, laymen, parent and child personal experiences, crib deaths, SBS, and the explosian of autism and behavior disabilities in our nation's children and lest I forget to mention, the steep rise of unexplained, adult immune related health issues of which several are listed above.....

2nd... is up close and personal experience and comparisons....... I had 5 kids of my own, born between 1969 and 1985 (few vaccines given back then.. I now have 10 grandkids at last head count, age 2 to 15.. I think I've got their ages right? lol... Anyway,,, numers of vaccines for children have risen over 200% during that time period.. and suspiciously, the health problems right along with the increases........ Most recent grandkids are ages 3 4 5 and 2
ALL but 1 have mild to serious health and allergy problems..
The 4yr old is ADHD.
The 3yr old is allergic to tons of things and needs a special diet, The 5 year old has bowel and severe ashma issues and needs meds daily.. NOW, lets discuss the 2 yr old...(That's her in my icon) No vaccines to date, other than a hep-b the hospital snuck in when she was born, which btw, turned her a pale shade of yellow for 5 months... She has no allergies, almost non existant colds and totally non existant ear infections,,,,,,, no health issues of any kind, she weighs 32lbs and goes over the top on the percental ratings....... The differences between she and the other grandkids, mentally and physically are more than noticeble by everyone, including her doctor!

Like I mentioned, what I know and what thousands of parents are learning, is only the tip of the iceberg.. My education continues and as unbiasedly as possible, considering what I already know.....
Hopefully that answers your questions fairly well?

They now inject these babies, two hrs after birth with HepB! These babies haven't even had their mothers milk yet, which totally builds up their immune system.

Then, there are over 16 vaccines, and with original shots and boosters, these children are being injected over 68 times before age 8.

My grandparents lived through their 80's an 90's as did their siblings - w/o any "shots" (other than some of wiskey now and then) health issues, including diabetes, arthritis, and all these other things so prevalent today. WHAT does that tell you???

Begs the question, what are they putting in some necessary vaccines? They have prevented many diseases/outbreaks - before Big Pharma saw the dollar signs.

WELL stated, Linda!

There is no doubt that the vaccines have helped "cure" some diseases, but that is a lot of stuff being injected into a childs body.

And there certainly is an increase in allergies and asthma in children. Something other than vaccines have increased since the 60s and 70s besides vaccines could be the cause of this increase, and that is the food we eat. GMOs and Monstant funny science seeds could be the cause of some of these increases in children and people in general.

Like Linda said about the Amish, they KNOW what they eat. Do we ?

I really don't think they can force kids to get this vaccine.
As it's not near as bad as polio or any other disease out there.

Angela my friend, "forcing" in the legislative arena is THE work in progress and in MANY more areas than just vaccines..

So then... back to the days of pertussis and diphtheria epidemics. Watching your kids, in a ward full of dying kids, coughing blood and screaming in pain.

You perople are complete fools on this one. I'm not gonna even TRY to be the "good" Chuck here. This isn't funny! You're gonna get people to believe this crap and children are gonna DIE - Children are gonna DIE! And it's gonna be YOUR FAULT!

You believe the most terrifyingly STUPID<</em>/strong> stuff! You take as gospel the word of a JOURNALIST (I don't care HOW brilliant she is... she's not a SCIENTIST - she's a freakin'JOURNALIST!) in preference to reputable, knowledgeable scientists.

I grew up with ALL those diseases, and I survived most of 'em (I lucked out on the polio - coupla those untrustworthy, lying, bab y-killing scientists came up with a vaccine - right in the middle of the epidemic. Imagine my disappointment). They're painful, damaging in ways the public has forgotten, and murderous in the extreme.

You need to STOP THIS!!! It's too damned dangerous for you. You might become successful enough to actually create another epidemic.

Chuckie, thousands of children are dying now! More are suffering from SERIOUS brain and behavior problems...... As I chose to take the time to answer Sandy K's question to the best of my ability... I choose NOT to take any of my time to explain anything to you as you are stuck in the mud... You are one hard headed, foolish man on most any issue of importance being discussed...Much more so than you realize.......If you want to connect any dots, and educate yourself PROPERLY concerning this subject, then I would advise you to research the entire vaccine HISTORY right up to CURRENT AFFAIRS for yourself....... If not, it's your call.......

Vaccine injections for the MOST part and ESPECIALLY in today's medical consumer market, are the largest hoax ever pushed on the American public....

I said it before and I will say it again. Just because our Government says it's safe and OK, does not mean it's OK. There are many folks that can't have vaccines for several different health related reasons and they do just fine without them. Our world has changed and through better nutrition, education and of course sanitation it's doubtful these diseases would / will ever reappear unless someone does it on purpose... oh wait, that could never happen here, right?

I live among the Amish - NO vaccines, no diabetes, no polio, no autism, no ADHD or ADD, no Alzheimer’s... They KNOW what they are eating. They use NO artificial chemicals/drugs... Have been around hundreds of them at a time, at an auction - as have my children who did NOT have ALL those shots they are giving today.

This is soooooooooooooo true, Linda! Thank you!! Folks either are not aware else they ignore these findings? Either stand often depends on their own personal views of vaccines in general instead of searching out the facts for themselves......

Teresa, you offered a mouthful of PURE WISDOM in those words... How many will actually hear them though?

"Most patients assume that when a doctor proposes to use an established treatment to conquer a disease he will be using a treatment which has been tested, examined and proven. But this is not the case. The savage truth is that most medical research is organised, paid for, commissioned or subsidised by the drug industry (and the food, tobacco and alcohol industries). This type of research is designed, quite simply, to find evidence showing a new product is of commercial value. The companies which commission such research are not terribly bothered about evidence; what they are looking for are conclusions which will enable them to sell their product. Drug company sponsored research is done more to get good reviews than to find out the truth."----Dr Vernon Coleman
An important part of how the medical cartel controls medicine is by controlling peer review and propagating the belief that any medicine that isn't peer reviewed has no value. SCIENCE AND PEER REVIEWS
The Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, for example, although in publication for 38 years, has never been listed on the government database MEDLINE.

Many Americans would be shocked to learn that the U.S. has the greatest number of mandatory vaccines yet the 42nd worst infant mortality rate in the world. Disease and fatality rates are lower in MANY countries than in the United States.

Links to GLOBAL sites offering vaccine information.. LINKS to GLOBAL sites for vaccine information! GLOBAL INFORMATION

Folks who question, may be very interested in this information.

MEDICAL VERITAS INTERNATIONAL INC

I never get any type of flu vaccine and usually don't get the flu (even when those that got the vaccine got flu). I did get it last year, but got over it in less than a week.

Check out the link posted above, Amanda... I suspect you may find the scientific information throughout it quite educational......

A program of mandatory injections of, potentially toxic (H1N1) “swine flu” vaccine is lurking behind a government media contrived pandamic scare that could prove harmful, if not deadly. TOTAL CONTROL

The most fundamental of our freedoms is now at risk. If government can FORCE potentially dangerous substances into our bodies, what then, can’t the government do? Connect the dots, folks.. Then step up to help put a stop to government control and ever increasing violations of our constitutional rights!

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