We've all heard, first Candidate Obama then President Obama referred to as the messiah. In response to that, I've heard people say things like, 'That was made up by deadhead Rushbots to...,' or 'I've never heard anyone but right wing flubnuts describe Obama that way,' or "only the right-wing whiners call Obama the "messiah,"" or, 'I've never thought of Obama as the messiah', or,  'I worry about people who think I might feel that way. . .'Â
Well, I . . . the times I've heard the term [messiah] from the right is when someone is describing, or mocking the way some on the left idolize him.   I hope we all realize we (the right) know that most of you (liberal left) know he isn't really the, or even 'a' messiah, mmm? That's the truth of it. I also realize the truth doesn't lend itself to snarky humor (for either side) as much as a misrepresentation of the truth does .. but that's the way it is.Then again ... there are those who do seem to take the messiah thing a bit more seriously than is advisable or even . . . healthy.
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Like the three people you'll see portrayed
below.   You'll see one person talking to a large group of people who seem to be in agreement with him. And you'll see two others who are talking to each other. None of these people is even close to being right wing.ÂTake particular note of the two who are talking to each other; the one says it ... and the other (remarkably), agrees by saying, 'yes...'
You'll see what I mean if you decide to view the rest of this article.
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That figures; might be too embarrassing to hear and see Farrakhan call Obama 'the Messiah' ... rather keep blaming that on others than take the heat themselves (another incarnation of the somebody-else-did-it, it-wasn't-me frame of mind).
"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."Â
..."A black man with a white mother became a saviour to us," he said. "A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall."
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CHRIS MATTHEWS (HOST):Evan Thomas is editor at large for Newsweek magazine. Evan, you remember 1984. It wasn't 100 years ago. Reagan and World War II and the sense of us as the good guys in the world, how are we doing?
EVAN THOMAS: Well, we were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way. It hasn't felt that way in recent years. So Obama's had, really, a different task We're seen too often as the bad guys. And he, he has a very different job from ... Reagan was all about America, and you talked about it. Obama is - we are above that now. We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial. We stand for something, I mean in a way Obama's standing above the country, above above the world, he's sort of God.
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I thought I wouldn't find this, but here it is; more of the transcript from that day. The quotes seen above are at the beginning of the interview, and for me ... it didn't get worse (how could it?) and I don't think it got any better with more context. But here it is:
'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for Friday, June 5
Chris Matthews has just come back from a break and has been speaking, leading into his introduction of Evan Thomas.
". . . But what I liked about the president's speech in Cairo was that it showed a complete humility. What he did was rob from the enemy, those who want to destroy us, their main case, the belief that only by extremism can the East reach equality of dignity with the West. The question now is whether the president we elected and spoke for us so grandly yesterday can carry out the great vision he gave us and to the world. If he can, he'll be honoring what happened on D-Day 65 years ago tomorrow. He will be delivering the world once again from evil."
"Evan Thomas is editor-at-large for "Newsweek" magazine. Evan, you remember '84. It wasn't 100 years ago. Reagan and World War II and the sense of us as the good guys in the world-how're we doing?"
EVAN THOMAS, "NEWSWEEK": Well, we were the good guys in 1984, felt that way. It hasn't felt that way in recent years. So Obama's had, really, a different task. We're seen too often as the bad guys. And he has a very different job from-Reagan was all about America. And he talked about it. Obama is, We are above that now. We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial. We stand for something-I mean, in a way, Obama's standing above the country, above-above the world, a sort of god.
MATTHEWS:Â Yes.
THOMAS: He's going to bring all different sides together. It's a very different...
MATTHEWS: Here's Ronald Reagan. Let's take a look-a little Friday night nostalgia. Here he is, speaking about peace and reconciliation at Normandy back 25 years ago. Let's listen.
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RONALD REAGAN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: But we try always to be prepared for peace, prepared to deter aggression, prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms, and yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation. In truth, there is no reconciliation we would welcome more than a reconciliation with the Soviet Union so together, we can lessen the risks of war now and forever.
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(END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Let's talk about the difference. He was talking about the "evil empire"...
THOMAS:Â Right.
MATTHEWS:Â ... trying to reconcile with the people of Russia and the
Soviet Union, but not the country. Barack Obama the other day was saying -
yesterday-that we don't have an enemy out there per se, we have people who choose extremism. But Islam is not our enemy. That's not the "evil empire."
THOMAS: But Reagan did it with a very-for the first term, it was a clenched fist. I mean, we ramped up the cold war before we ramped it down. We built up our military. We-all this D-Day stuff was about war. That was about fighting.
MATTHEWS:Â Right.
THOMAS: Reconciliation only after the fighting. That's not-Obama is not doing that. Obama-we've had our fighting. Obama is trying to sort of tamper everything down. He doesn't even use the word "terror."
MATTHEWS:Â Yes.
THOMAS:Â He uses "extremism."Â He's all about, Let us reason together.Â
I think he has a much tougher job, frankly, because...
MATTHEWS: What's his stick? Reagan had the United States arms race, winning the arms race. And we had the threat of High Frontier. We were going to beat the Soviets at technology.
THOMAS: I don't think he has-his shtick is he's the teacher. He's
the teacher. He is going to say, Now, children, stop fighting and
quarreling with each other. And he has a kind of a moral authority that he
he can do that...
MATTHEWS: OK. If there's a world election between him and Osama bin Laden, he's running a good campaign.
THOMAS:Â Yes, he is.
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Lee notes:  Evan Thomas can't be quite all there ... "all this D-Day stuff"? As if it was stuff he found in a kitchen junk drawer?Â




Comments: 17
Can't believe no other comments .... not even negative ones. Could lead me to think lots of people actually do feel the way this guy feels. +shrug+ No matter. Thanks for stopping by and thanks for the comment. :)
I doubt that many feel this way, or let me rephrase that, I HOPE not. I'm amazed that there aren't comments here. If you'd like it featured, please post it to Purely Political, either Mark or I will feature it, as we're both moderators.
Marilyn
Thanks Marilyn. I appreciate the invite. :)
And thanks for the comments.
Sigh ... after Evan Thomas says this, " ... We stand for something-I mean, in a way, Obama's standing above the country, above-above the world, a sort of god."
Then Matthews says this, amazingly, "Yes."
Then there's the groupies that will love this sort of stuff and do believe he is sort of God and there's plenty of them.
Lee,
you are featured in the group, Purely Political, with thanks,
Mark & Marilyn
Wow ... thanks for that. :)
It's a small story ... and started out as a joke in the beginning what with the tingles up the leg and all, but ... may be getting out of hand; especially if he gets away with getting these abc specials for free irt his health care deal.Â
I voted for Obama. that doesnt mean that I think he is a messiah or a god or anything other than a person I felt was best of what was offered for president. He's not perfect. He is going to make mistakes. He will do things I dont agree with but at the end of the day I feel more postitive about Obama than negative.
It took me a while to realize it, but I am not going to change anyones mind via my comments or posts. So pretty much I just state my opinion. If people like it great. If not, personally I could care less as long as someone isnt rude about it or just tries to stir trouble for the sake of making a few Gather points.
I voted for Obama. that doesnt mean that I think he is a messiah or a god or anything other than a person I felt was best of what was offered for president.
Of course. I'd hope that's why most people voted for him.
But I wonder if you agree that there is, oh, I don't know ... seems like this was one of those it's-so-pathetic-but-I-can't-look-away situations going on here.
What I mean is first, EVAN THOMAS says this: ... We stand for something-I mean, in a way, Obama's standing above the country, above-above the world, a sort of god.
Then (remembering his previous tingles?) astonishingly MATTHEWS replies ... "Yes."
Um .... "Yes"?
Even if someone is an Obama supporter seems like this has to make one at least blink a couple of times irt what is going on in Matthew's head at any given time hmmm?
Of course, I don't really know Matthews; maybe he was just playin the guest's own patheticness for laughs or ratings . . . ?
Bryan "That 80's Dude" B. Jul 2, 2009, 6:30am EDT
I voted for Obama. that doesnt mean that I think he is a messiah or a god or anything other than a person I felt was best of what was offered for president. He's not perfect. He is going to make mistakes. He will do things I dont agree with but at the end of the day I feel more postitive about Obama than negative.
It took me a while to realize it, but I am not going to change anyones mind via my comments or posts. So pretty much I just state my opinion. If people like it great. If not, personally I could care less as long as someone isnt rude about it or just tries to stir trouble for the sake of making a few Gather points.
He's not perfect. He is going to make mistakes. He will do things I dont agree with but at the end of the day I feel more postitive about Obama than negative.
Ah well ... I guess you have your reasons. I respect that. Obviously I don't agree, but this kind of disagreement does not bother me. There might be lots of things we wouldn't agree on, however there might also be lots of others we would agree on.
It took me a while to realize it, but I am not going to change anyones mind via my comments or posts.
Yeah ... me too.
So pretty much I just state my opinion. If people like it great. If not, personally I could care less as long as someone isnt rude about it or just tries to stir trouble for the sake of making a few Gather points.
The points. Gatherites seem to have a love/hate relationship with em.
Thanks for stopping by ... :)
Even if Obama had a widespread network of such supporters a few months ago, that bloom is largely off the rose. Reality has reared its ugly head and Obama is increasingly viewed as just another politician, albeit a very liberal one.
I agree they are a bit damning, and I agree this view is held by a minority among his supporters. Maybe only by these three ... possibly everyone in Farrakhan's "church" but still a small minority into which they place themselves through no fault of the conservative wing of the population. ;>
However, the left continues to mock the right for referring to O as messiah. No big deal and just a side issue but, it's kindof like the left mocks the right for mocking what we heard the left say in the first place.
Some of em might point to Rush L. as the first to have referred to O as messiah, but Farrakhan doesn't seem the type to take his talking points from Rush L. I think it was the other way around in Farrakhan's case as well as in the case of Matthews and this Thomas guy.
What I mean is, they said it or thought it, and Conservatives picked up on it. Now conservatives are mocked for something which stated with (or is actually continued by) Liberals to begin with.
A total side issue but I find it interesting. lol
Charles Temm JR Aug 2, 2009, 2:10pm EDT
Some damning statements by some Obamaites. I think that this view is only held by a minority though, even among his supporters. Let's be real, Matthews is the poster boy for a bought media today masquerading as non partisan. BUT he is on a tiny struggling niche network, that gets less viewers than most late night advertising shows.
Even if Obama had a widespread network of such supporters a few months ago, that bloom is largely off the rose. Reality has reared its ugly head and Obama is increasingly viewed as just another politician, albeit a very liberal one.