Tiller Killer Linked to Pro-Life Organization: He wasn't a "lone wolf"

Carla, I wrote at midnight a page about Racism

And now I see a Great Relation of Racism to those that kill Abortion Doctors and Liberals ( Knoxville Church ) or killing Policemen like in Pittsburgh and Florida recently because of Right Wing Bigotry and Fanatism. Those killers are also losers and idiots.

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Racism is the Last Refuge of the Loser Idiot, the last security blanket of an immature child that is a Failed Life.

There is a famous apothegm :

"Patrotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"

And Great Historians, From Herodotus to Niccolo Machiavelli have told us that Great Truth in many forms. Machiavelli tells us how Armies corrupt the best of Men.

"Use these men in War, and hang them in Peace"

The guy that is a failure in Life has a last refuge : Feel Superior because he belongs to an Ethnic, Race, Religion or Political Orientation. He was chosen by God, Nature or Fate to be the Superior to others, because of his color, hair, nose, or because of his Religious or Political Bigotry.

There is a Good Part of Mankind that are failed Idiots, Village Idiots, filled with resentment.

The guy that comes from a Dysfunctional Family can be very dangerous, if his mother was a whore and he was kicked and beaten by the last lover of his mother.

Those that fail in Business, Marriage, or Intellectual Pursuit are dangerous, like Jean Paul Marat, they become butchers of Humans.

Finally there are those Idiots that succeed in Business, because Business sometimes is good for Idiots and the Lowest Scum. For example the TV anchors of Racism and Hate. Or the Radio Talk Shows that prosper on Fear and Hate.

Idiots can succeed in Politics and we have seen the Best Examples in the Last Two Centuries, the Twentieth Century and this Third Millennium.

The idiot can be rich and nevertheless an idiot. His heart is still filled with Resentment, Envy and Hate.

And idiot can win a lottery, and certainly there are many donkeys with a load of gold. But always Idiots.

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Vicente Duque

"Use these men in War, and hang them in Peace"

Unfortunately, this is a very true statement.

Yah it was a big conspirasy!

He had the phone number of operation rescue in his car!

Quite the connection Carla.

Actually, he had an on-going discussion with a reprentative of that organization, Cheryl Sullenger, who had herself been convicted of a prior crime in relation to conspiracy to bomb an abortion clinic in 1988. Sullenger had given information to Roeder re: Tiller's home and church addresses. She didn't deny this, but stated she had no reason not to give him the information.

So it was more than simply "...the phone number of operation rescue in his car!"

Thanks, Steve.

Gee, it's so wrong to have killed him or anyone including all those babies who won't be able to applaude his life.

"Actually, he had an on-going discussion"

How ongoing was it Steve?

"who had herself been convicted of a prior crime in relation to conspiracy to bomb an abortion clinic in 1988."

Well, you all forgave Bill Ayers.

"So it was more than simply "...the phone number of operation rescue in his car!""

It ain't much more than that yet Steve,

And when Carla and ROM posted their posts it wasn't anything more than that.

It was the rush of two hatefilled persons to fix blame on a group(s) they hate.

Unlike you, Dan, we don't hate. And Bill Ayers? Are you still harping on that topic?

Carla,

I can point to dozens of hateful posts of yours so don't claim you don't hate! You'd just be be breaking another Christian tenant.

"And Bill Ayers? Are you still harping on that topic?"

Yah,

Worked out pretty good huh? You all were saying it wasn't important what Ayers did in the past.....But now that things are reversed it's really really important....right Carla?

In order for you all to not be classified as hypocrites you have to say this woman's past sins should not be considered....But something tells me your not going to let an opportunity like this pass you by.

So I'll just say it now....HYPOCRITE!

Interesting how this PRO LIFE group is using murder and violence to get their point across isn't it?

Yes, very interesting and hypocritical I'd say.

They don't care about the living, only the unborn. 

Yes, that has become very apparent.

AND, to make matters worse, they only love the babies UNTIL they are born. 

THEN they are mad when mom's go on welfare or food stamps to feed THOSE children. 

THEN they are mad when moms HAVE these unsupported children, and they want and need MEDICAID for health. 

THEN they get mad and vote NO when a School Bond Issue is needed to prop up the schools. 

THEN they get mad when they talk about subsidized lunches and hot breakfasts for the kids at school. 

They only like these babies until they are born...after that?  NOT their problem.

They're just a mad, mad, mad group.  Sorry, but that's how I see them.  That's how they show up in the world.

Wilka

Yes, Kathy, this is true. I work with a lot of the moms, especially Hispanic, who are on medicaid and who are also Catholic. They don't want to get pregnant but they can't use birth control. They continue to get pregnant and have children and thy have few choices in life but to be baby factories.

Carla, this is one of the 4,862,589,267 reasons I had to give up on religion.

My reasons don't yet total the national debt dollars we (and our children ) will pay for the George Bush / DICK Cheney/sleepin' with Haliburton War...but they're way up there, nonetheless.

W

Yes, Kathy. It's interesting that so many Republicans think the national debt started with Obama's stimulus. LOL. They don't want to acknowledge the $9 billion per month that Bush took of our money to pay for his illegal war.

Someone flagged this as "spam". What a joke. But we know it was one of the right-wingers who are trying to keep us from getting the truth out.

Carla, it is, of course, still quite possible that he was a "lone wolf", that his actions were taken solely under his own direction and without the foreknowledge or encouragement of any other individual.  I am not saying that they were, as it is quite likely that he was influenced in some way by the kinds of groups you mention.

What is important is that people realize that excessive ranting and judgement on "hot button" issue like abortion is creating a climate in which unstable or violent individuals are encouraged to behave criminally, thinking their actions are justified by the vitriol others are expressing against their chosen targets.

It is a dangerous social phenomenon already too well ingrained in our societies.  It is encouraged by talk shows and radio and TV programming that uses righteous anger and condemnation as their hook for gathering an audience.

Yes, Rory. Did you read the article that I posted about the pro-life zealot who apologized? Check this out:

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977701275

 Rory is correct about the hysteria causing a wacko to snap. Look at the Muslim convert who shot 2 soldiers last week. I am sure if it weren't for liberals constantly blaming America for atrocities like torture and abuses reported against soldiers made this guy snap. Excellent point.

Any idea how that terrorist in Little Rock was able to obtain the "arsenal" he had in his possession when he was apprehended?

Jeff you are at best a mental midget. Congratulations.

The inability of conservatives to receive criticism as anything other than outright condemnation says a lot about their lack of maturity and self-confidence.  When liberlas acknowledge that their own country was in the wrong to invade a sovereign state on the basis of lies and deception, was wrong to violate its own laws and international treaties it had signed, a conservative hears this as self-loathing condemnation.  Of course, its not.  In fact, it is a reflection that the liberal loves his country enough to demand that it live up to its own ideals and believes it is strong enough to do so.  The liberal is adult enough to own up to his own mistakes and take responsibility for them.  Pretending they never happened is the response of a child.  Or as Bart Simpson would say:  "I didn't to it."

Bravo, Rory! I couldn't agree more.

Carla,

Your Bravo to Rory's comment only highlights your hate for people who think differently than you, I'm sure Jesus would approve!

Rory,

Can you point to a conservative who in this thread who had a hard time receiving criticism?

Or could you just not resist expressing your radical liberalism and had to attack conservatives in general.

It is apparently the second.

Your attitude is pretty clear in yor use of the words, "radical liberalism" Dan.

As for my comment to Rory, I was applauding his comments that we as a country must own up to our mistakes and take responsibility rather than continuing to justify our behavior based on lies. Most of the Republicans/conservatives that I know are not willing to do that and continue to make excuses for our invading Iraq and for the torture that we used under Bush/Cheney.

Dan E.:  My comment was in regard to this statement made by Jeff H. above:

"...if it weren't for liberals constantly blaming America for atrocities like torture and abuses reported against soldiers..."

Liberals have not "blamed America" but rather blamed the Bush administration and its supporters, a significant part of America especially back in the day, to be sure, but not the totality of it.  But conservatives do hear criticism of the Bush administration's actions as condemnation of America, and Jeff H.'s comment was a perfect example of that.  When the abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo happened, and they did happen (liberals didn't make them up), liberals condemned the actions and called for those responsible to be held accountable.  Liberals also criticized the findings that blamed low levels soldiers for these actions and letting their high level leaders who condoned and directed these actions off the hook.  Conservatives took to heart George Bush's declaration that "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists." and see anyone criticizing "us" as supporting the terrorists.  This is the spirit of Jeff H.s' comment, that critique of illegal actions on the part of a criminal administration was equal to support of terrorists and likely led the individual he referred to to strike out violently.  Which, of course, is pure and unadulterated horseshit.

Generally we don't hate conservatives (and I think Carla will agree with me on this), rather we hate some of the policies and ideas they espouse.  But we are perfectly willing to and capable of hating the sin and loving the sinner.

Bravo Rory.

Yes, Rory, unlike conservatives, we don't hate--anyway I don't. I, too, disagree with the choices and policies of Bush/Cheney, but I never hated them.

"Generally we don't hate conservatives (and I think Carla will agree with me on this), rather we hate some of the policies and ideas they espouse.  But we are perfectly willing to and capable of hating the sin and loving the sinner."

Oh well now that a load of (to use your own words) horse shit.

You and Carla use huge general referenced to include as many "conservatives" as possible to spew your hate on and don't distinguish any exceptions in your criticizms, then you ciriticize conservatives for doing the same thing...hypocrite!

Liberals like you and Carla have been "blaming America" for decades because you all are pissed that most of the citizens of America don't think like you think they should and because of that, the agenda's you support can not get put into action.

"Conservatives took to heart George Bush's declaration that "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists." and see anyone criticizing "us" as supporting the terrorists."

All of them Rory?  Nothing more than a gross generalization for the explicit purpose of attacking conservatives.

"liberals condemned the actions and called for those responsible to be held accountable."

And among them, liberal Democrats Murtha and Kerry were willing to throw soldiers (later found not guilty 'Hadifa') under the bus for the chance of getting the comander and chief and many of you "liberals" stood right along side of them in their condemnation of the soldiers so you could get a shot at the commander and chief.

No Rory there is no benevolence in your posts.

If you believe we're lying,  Dan, then there is no reason to respond to your comments.

"If you believe we're lying"

Lying Carla? You minimize what you have been doing on Gather, you engage in character assasination...a much worse sin than simple lying!

You attack people/groups by posting derogatory half truths and incomplete facts about them then insinuate it's meaning which is always derogatory and always/only against people/groups you oppose.

I suppose that you're the one that had me flagged, Dan...

"I suppose that you're the one that had me flagged, Dan..."

"I agree with Sam, Jeff. By the way, are you the one that flagged my article?"

LOL!

BTW,

What the HE double hocky sticks is "impersonation"?

And since you seem overly concerned about who flagged your post (who else would really care?) I'll neither confirm nor deny that I had any part in flagging any of your posts! Just to keep you in suspense. LOL!

Impersonation is when someone takes on the name/picture of another person and uses it online. There have been several lawsuits about this. There are some people that are too cowardly to use their own name or picture.

As for the flagging, it was obvious that the person couldn't come up with anything else to flag about and decided to pick that. It is childish.

Carla G. said :

"Someone flagged this as "spam". What a joke. But we know it was one of the right-wingers who are trying to keep us from getting the truth out."

Yes, Carla, that is a very common trick and I have suffered from it for years. Since I operate very controversial blogs.

All those people that dislike the truths that we tell flag us as spam, or as "Hate Speech" or even as "Racism" in many Forums ......   so they can spit all their venom without contradictors. They have no ideas but resort to their bag of dirty tricks.

You would be astonished of the insulting comments that I receive in my blogs. I am constantly accused of what they really are. It is called Freudian Projections.

Sometimes I am wrong and I can admit it ... But these people that write ugly comments to me are totally mad with hate, mentally deranged with hatred.

Vicente Duque

Yes, it's not about disagreement, it is about personal attacks and insults. Stay the course, Vicente.

Will the FBI torture him (I mean Bush-Cheney style interrogation) to extract info about his organization and their plans or is America only torturing Muslims?

Actually, they tortured a Frenchman in Gitmo I heard. He was not a terrorist but was waterboarded. There was a story on it quite awhile ago by 20/20 or one of those other programs. He was arrested and not given the opportunity to talk to a lawyer or anyone.

Some people  kill other human beings that they have never met before. For Political, Religious, Ethnic or Racial Reasons.

If they had been born in the Times of William Shakespeare, then they would have been the Village Madman or Idiot, an object of ridicule and fun.

But they were born in modern times  when Television spits hate and fear continuously.

And they want to be heroes.

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Vicente Duque

It's been flagged twice now, Vicente. I guess they're trying to keep me from posting. Feeling a little threatened, perhaps.

""""The inability of conservatives to receive criticism as anything other than outright condemnation says a lot about their lack of maturity and self-confidence.  When liberals acknowledge that their own country was in the wrong to invade a sovereign state on the basis of lies and deception, was wrong to violate its own laws and international treaties it had signed, a conservative hears this as self-loathing condemnation."""""

 I don't see it that way at all. I think you are wrong plain and simple. Personally I would prefer to go back to the WW2 policy of executing enemy combatants but dunking their heads in tanks to get information that saved thousands of lives was intelligent. It's obviously not something an emotional liberal would do in fear of making people who want us dead hate us even more. It's weird and intellectually immature but that's how liberals are and I accept that.

 As far as disagreeing with the Bush policies and the war on terrorism, that's all debatable, and how we treat enemy combatants is something debatable as well but to suggest that enemy combatants are protected in a treaty is ignorant at best.

 We can agree that mature intelligent individuals can disagree on the war on terror and we can agree that they can disagree on partial birth abortion as well. Funny thing is that more people are against partial birth abortion than the invasion of Iraq AND waterboarding captured terrorists. You may think Bush committed crimes and I may think a doctor preforming partial birth abortion is committing crimes. Neither of us or those that disagree with us are responsible for the action of a lone nut who happens to agree with us, on what is right and what is wrong, on the said issue. It is more than immature for a certain Gather member trying to link a kook to honest people and groups who would like laws changed in this country. It is completely asinine.

Partial birth abortion is banned, Jeff. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Late term abortion is still legal in some states but only under certain circumstances.

Yes, we do disagree on many things. Roeder was not a "lone wolf". That is been proven.

As far as Bush committing crimes, that will be decided. Many of us believe that he and Cheney and Rumsfeld are guilty of war crimes, but we live in a country where people are considered innocent until proven guilty. We don't believe in murdering someone in church just because they are performing a legal procedure that goes against someone's beliefs.

 Carla do you have any idea how ridiculous it sounds when you say:

"""Many of us believe that he and Cheney and Rumsfeld are guilty of war crimes, but we live in a country where people are considered innocent until proven guilty."""

 And then say this:

"""Yes, we do disagree on many things. Roeder was not a "lone wolf". That is been proven.""""

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 I don't think you do. But if Roeder wasn't a lone wolf who conspired with him, helped him, and facilitated the atrocity? Where was it proven? The fact that he belonged to a group proves nothing but bigotry and prejudice on your part based on your statement.

 Partial birth abortion is banned based on a legal definition that many people disagree with. I would consider any child aborted that would have survived with no harm to the mother is a partial birth abortion. Just because they didn't pull the head out, before they drilled a hole in it, doesn't make it moral and justified, even though the partial birth abortion ban says so.

Jeff you are remarkable in the narrowness of your vision and persistant perpetuation of falsehood. 

"Personally I would prefer to go back to the WW2 policy of executing enemy combatants but dunking their heads in tanks to get information that saved thousands of lives was intelligent."

There was no US policy of executing enemy combatants.  Nazis did it but not the US.  It would not surprise me that you endorse Nazi methods.   There is NO proof that any torture at GITMO or elsewhere in GW Bush's War on Terror for Oil saved the lives of anyone.  THere are tons of anectdotal evidence torture provoked reprisals that killed Americans.  So as we know torture resulted in the death of GI's, bore no viable intel I guess you still support it because of what?  It makes you feel good?

Since you are concerned about "terror" what should be done to someone who kills because of religious fervor and conviction and what should be done to those clerics who rage and incite to violence?  Should the terrorist be waterboarded or other fun things to extract from them any possible hint of further terrorist acts?  Should the clerics be shut down or money tracked or re-educated?  Should they be taken from the streets, hustled off shore and "convinced" to supply any info that might possibly hint of a conspiracy so we could declare war upon the whole lot of terrorists?

The Feds are now looking into Tiller's murder and conspiracies involved.  In the Patriot Act there are provisions that US citizens advocating violence and governmental overthrow be detained regardless of haebus corpus.

""There was no US policy of executing enemy combatants.  Nazis did it but not the US.  It would not surprise me that you endorse Nazi methods. ""

 So what happened to the Nazis caught sneaking into America from a submarine? Do you really need a history lesson? OK, OK, you are a liberal and obviously public educated. Can I count on you to do a little research and apologize on your own or do I have to do the leg work for you. Remember I am not government so I don't "owe" you anything....

"""There is NO proof that any torture at GITMO or elsewhere in GW Bush's War on Terror for Oil saved the lives of anyone. """

  So you agree with Dick Cheney that Obama should have released the information obtained when he released the tactics used to obtain it? Yeah there is no proof. Obama won't release it. I wonder why?

"""THere are tons of anectdotal evidence torture provoked reprisals that killed Americans. """"

 There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that has shown terrorist being emboldened by liberal talking points as well. God knows how many soldiers were killed because every time they killed a large group of people, liberals used their killings as a reason why we should do what terrorists want and quit. Wash that blood from your hands Sam and type latter......

I agree with Sam, Jeff. By the way, are you the one that flagged my article?

 Carla, agreeing with Sam was a cute way of getting out of responding to my comment towards YOU but cowardice to say the least.

Carla, I never have and never will flag a post on Gather. It doesn't matter how hard I disagree with you, every point of view is worth posting and worth reading. I am sorry that somebody flagged your post.

The 8 electrocuted spies were Nazi officers, not stateless ideological radicals, displace farmers and hapless teenagers.  History?  From Jeff??

 Sma C, it is against American law and the Geneva convention treaties to execute captured Officers or soldiers in uniform. Why do you think those Nazis were executed? Take a guess.

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The 8 electrocuted spies were Nazi officers, not stateless ideological radicals, displace farmers and hapless teenagers.  History?  From Jeff??"""

 Neither were the three people water boarded you nut. One is on tape chopping off the head of a Jew. Wise up you moonbat nut!

Carla,

Thanks for posting this article, and giving everyone -- whether pro or con to yours -- an open forum to express their opinions.

How can he be pro-life if he's out killing people? I never understood this about people who murder doctors who perform abortions.

There are now ONLY TWO physicians in the U.S. that will perform late-term abortions.  This is a legal procedure for the health of the mother.  Late-term by choice is outlawed, but not the legal type.

I'm sure that the other two doctors are getting nervous. It's only a question of time most likely and unfortunately could prove disastrous for the mothers whose lives are at stake during a pregnancy.

Carla G. :

I see that you are continuously flagged by people filled with envy of your posts. Just because you are not a Right Wing Extremist. I have been insulted and threatened Phsysically many times in Forums and Blogs for being a Liberal. And I have been flagged to death as spam, hate speech,  etc .... !!

A comment from a very Intelligent Person in NYDailynews.com about "Right Wingers - This was lost among hundreds of comments :

"If there's one thing I've come to realize is that talking to Right Wingers is a study in human delusion. The people who oppose President Obama are often psychologically wed to the notion that endless war and restrictions on minorities are sound practices. They cannot admit that their hero George W. Bush, screwed up so badly that their very future is at risk. So, they employ circular logic, half-truths and discredited talking points to try to make a case. They are hard to get through to because they ignore reason of favor of talking over you. They never accept facts because these don't jive with their worldview. And they ignore reality because that would mean a tacit acceptance that what they've believed in for years has been wrong. With President Obama's election, their worst fears have become a reality: That a member of a group they've long held in contempt, might prove to their nation's best hope. "

 Unfortunately, the Lady that sent me that comment lost the name of the Author of this Great Paragraph. The person that wrote this has literary talent and is a Great Essayist, unfortunately it is not me.

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Vicente Duque

Yes, Vicente. They want to keep the truth from getting out.