This took me awhile to post after writing it because I saved it in an email and then (for reasons I won't get into in this article) couldn't open it. Hopefully I've formatted it right.
The article is basically my opinion on what should be considered a frivolous lawsuit, and how those should be dealt with. I do not believe that the things I have written here would completely solve the problem in question, especially since, for all of this to work, common sense would have to prevail and I have seen common sense in the courts only three times in my entire life, two of which were not related to lawsuits. However, the issues I bring up in this article, like the issues in our current medical system, can't be indefinitely ignored. Otherwise, our out of control legal system will bankrupt our nation before medical expenses ever get a chance to do so.
Last year I was in a barely-noticeable bumper-thumper at a stop light in Kettering, Ohio. The car I was riding in was stopped at an intersection at which two lanes of traffic split into three; one which had to go straight, and two which turned right. The right turn lanes curved slightly around the corner. We were stopped in the "middle" lane (the right turn lane which was on the left instead of the far right.) Another driver was stopped in the straight lane, just behind our left rear bumper. He was listening to driving directions on his GPS, which told him to take a right turn. Not thinking, he took his foot off the gas and bumped our rear at about 5MPH. Looking around, I saw three other drivers raise cell phones to their faces and begin dialing.
The driver of the car I was in got out and looked at his bumper. Even at that low speed, there was damage, mainly due to the make of his car. As more people drove by talking on cell phones, both drivers decided it would be a wise move for them to call the police. I don't know if it's just in Ohio, but even in a minor accident like that, the law says you are required to report it to the police. If you don't, you can be prosecuted for leaving the scene of an accident. Also, once you've left, the other driver can say anything and it will stick, because you left so now you can't be believed.
The upshot is that a police report was filed, but there were no insurance claims because my buddy could fix his car himself, and no one was injured. The police report accurately reflected the details of the accident; the low speed of impact, low damage, and lack of injuries.
That is why I was so disgusted when I began receiving phone calls the next day. I'd had to give my cell phone number for the police report, because I don't have a land line. (Can't afford one.) Since I take my CP to work with me in case my son's school calls, and since I work first shift, my phone kept going off in my pocket at work in front of my boss. I specialize my ring tones so that I know who is calling, and that way I don't have to answer at work when I know it isn't the school. One caller, however, kept re-dialing until I finally answered. That was the first lawyer to get hold of me. He offered to take my case.
Case? What case? I was confused. I wasn't suing anyone, and hadn't asked anyone for any legal help in years. What the heck could this guy be talking about? I told him he must have the wrong number, but he pressed on, asking me to confirm that I was myself. On receiving that confirmation, he insisted that I had a case against either the driver of the at-fault car or the driver of the car I was in at the time of the accident, and I could get "at least $10,000.00 for my "injuries."
Injuries? I wasn't even sure we'd actually been hit until my buddy got out of the car and confirmed it. What kind of bullshit artist was this guy? I politely told him that I'd sustained no injuries, that it had just been a bumper-thumper, no harm-no foul, and I wasn't interested in suing anyone. He grunted rudely into the phone and hung up on me.That was the first of over 50 calls, all during prime time hours, to my cell phone over the next two weeks. I got calls from lawyers offices from all over the Dayton Metro area. They were rude, pushy, and sometimes even threatening. One firm's rep told me that if I didn't hire them, they'd represent the other driver against me. When I pointed out that I was the passenger in the not-at-fault car, this caller hung up on me, too. I heard expletives before the phone hit the cradle.
If I'd had any trust in lawyers, these guys would have killed it.
More surprising were the calls from Chiropractor's offices. I was being solicited by Chiropractors for whiplash treatment based on an accident report that said I wasn't injured! I haven't gone to a Chiropractor's office without a GP's recommendation in nearly 20 years. Several callers from Chiropractor's offices told me it would "help my lawsuit" if I got into treatment right away. All of them insisted that I must be injured, and that you can't be rear-ended without suffering whiplash. I'd have been fooled, except for one tiny fact: I've had whiplash before. In 1989, I nearly killed myself on a skateboard and really put my neck out. I got rear-ended by a Buick in 1989 (20MPH), taxi cab in 1990 (about 40MPH), a tow truck for semis in 1996 (40MPH according to the driver), a Buick in 1997 (about 30MPH), and a Cadillac in 2004 (25MPH). I know exactly what whiplash feels like, when it starts to hit me, and how my body recovers from it. I know that most of the time, in a minor accident with a minor whiplash injury, I'm not even going to see a doctor - Ibuprofen, rest, and fluids are what I need unless, as in the case of the tow truck, I get thrown all over the seat like a ragdoll and hear and feel my neck pop out of place, or in the case of the Buick in 1997, I hit my head on the dash (ouch!).
I knew that from this last accident, I was definitely and unquestionably not injured. After those calls, I've lost a lot of trust in the Chiropractic care field.
I checked with my buddy... he'd gotten calls, but not nearly as many as I had. I think, based on what some of them said to him about needing a good defense if his passenger sued, and what some of them said to me about "city traffic" and "city drivers," that there were two reasons why I was targeted:
One, I was a passenger, not a driver. Lawyers told me that I could collect from both drivers, even if my injuries were minor. All of them promised to get me "at least" ten grand. Ten thousand dollars just for being there. What a load of crap!
Two, they noticed my telephone area code. My parents live in a rural area, and the CP I use is in their business plan, costing $10.00/month. I couldn't turn that down. However, it makes it look (every time I give out my number) as if I am from that area instead of the Dayton Metro area. These "sophisticated" big-city lawyers thought they had a country bumpkin on their hands who didn't know Dayton traffic, had never been in an accident, and would be a prime candidate for them to use to fleece the poor driver who hit us.
I was really mad. These vultures descended the roadkill they decided I was, with no intentions but to take advantage of a very minor inconvenience in order to reap profits for themselves. Most likely, the insurance company for the other driver would have settled out of court. The lawyers would claim 30% of the settlement, and the Chiropractors would get the rest for the bills I'd rack up seeing them. I'd most likely be "cured" right when my money and insurance ran out. I started answering unknown callers who mispronounced my name (There's a Whalen blvd in the area, so they all mispronounced Wallen with a long a) with "So, which sheister's office are you with? Are you going to reimburse me for the minutes you are wasting on my cell phone, calling me during morning hours?" I told one guy I'd consider hiring him if he gave me the settlement "up front" and guaranteed me that I wouldn't have to pay him back if we lost. He cussed me out. Some of these Southern Ohio lawyers are real professionals.
Vultures. Amulence Chasers. Liars. Thieves.
This is only one example of why I refer to these people as the Frivolous Lawsuit industry. There is no honor, no intent to help the individual, no consideration for justice and the law among them. Their profession has become a client hunt rather than an effort to protect the public. This segment of the legal profession is like a mass of people all acting upon symptoms of Munchhausen's By Proxy, having to "injure" so that they can "help," thereby gaining profit and (among their peers) acclaim.
They hunt clients not only in the area of auto accidents, but also in the workplace, in the medical arena (malpractice), and in the public sector. We laugh at some of the silly warnings which we find on appliances (do not operate without door - my microwave oven), toys (this is not real food. do not eat. - on my neices' toy plastic "groceries") equipment and tools (do not use while sleeping - my hair dryer...
not to be touching any surfaces - my bread making machine). It's funny but sad that a manufacturer of small screwdrivers had to warn users not to insert into their penises. We laugh at the stupidity that lead to someone doing that in the first place, and we never think about the fact that those ridiculous warnings are there because someone did the stupid thing against which the manufacturer is warning, and then sued when they got hurt because of their own stupidity.
Why is it the manufacturer's responsibility to think of every stupid, idiotic manner in which the general public might misuse their products? Is it really someone else's fault if your blender slices your fingers when you stick them into the path of the whirling, sharp blades? How did we get to the point where we can hold the manufacturer responsible for the misuse of a product when a person knowingly and willfully made the decision to do so? How did we decide that it's ok to for anyone to hold others responsible for unwanted consequences of his or her own actions? Most people would agree that if a man beats his neighbor with a 2x4 piece of lumber from Lowes, the neighbor should not sue Lowes, yet there has been discussion related to injured auto accident victims suing car manufacturers.
One of the biggest examples of frivolous lawsuit nonsense is tobacco suits. Since 1966, packages of cigarettes have borne Surgeon General's warnings. No one who began smoking after 1966 can honestly claim that they didn't know that smoking was harmful to them. Regardless of all arguments related to what is in cigarettes, how addictive they are, what the manufacturers did or did not know about their unhealthy nature, etc. the bottom line is this: No middle-aged or young consumer can reasonably claim to not know smoking was unhealthy. By the time I was in school, they were teaching us the dangers of smoking as part of our elementary school health class curriculum. I got to see pictures of lung and mouth tumors in the fourth grade. Letting people my age sue tobacco manufacturers is like letting suicidal jumpers sue bridge makers.
Medical Malpractice lawsuits are another huge cesspool of legal stupidity. While it is true that on some occasions, doctors do harm patients (I can cite a few examples from my own family) there are many, many examples where people have sued and won big settlements form doctors who did nothing wrong. There are even cases in which settlements have been paid over genetic birth defects, despite the fact that medical treatment had nothing to do with whether or not the disability occurred. Patients have sued and won after incurring injuries or worsening their own medical conditions by not following doctors' instructions. The cost of malpractice insurance has skyrocket over the last few decades as companies try to deal with the fact that they have no way of determining lawsuit risk factors other than by field. Some specialists pay tens of thousands in yearly fees. Some facilities pay hundreds of thousands in yearly fees. Those costs get passed on to the consumer, be it another insurance company, a self-paying patient, or the medicaid and medicare systems. If our country goes for some kind of socialized medicine (an idea currently under discussion at the national level) this expense will be passed on to all taxpayers.
Some common sense needs to be injected into the legal system. In the past, settlement limits have been applied in different areas. The idea sounds good, but it fails in two key areas.
First, it doesn't eliminate frivolous lawsuits. It just makes each one less expensive than it might have been without limits. Lawyers who specialize in litigation, and who want to make the same profits as before limits existed, will simply find more clients and file more suits, often delving into even more ridiculous areas of liability in order to do so. The result will not be a reduction in the cost of these suits, but rather an increase in numbers, inadvertently increasing the cost in terms of legal defense and hours spent in court.
Second, this hurts actual victims with legitimate suits. In some circumstances, people are injured by others in ways that cause them to need medical care which can be extremely expensive, as well as adjustments to their living and work environments to accommodate disabilities resulting from those injuries. This can happen with injuries in car accidents, from a doctor's mistake, accidents at work, or any other area where someone can get hurt. It is wrong to limit the responsibility of the party which caused such an injury in cases where the case for liability is legitimate. It would be better to find a way to prevent illegitimate cases than to punish real victims for the actions of others.
Because of this, I believe that instead of limiting awards, laws related to this area should be geared more toward criminalizing frivolous lawsuits and protecting individuals against the money-hungry vultures who use them to make their living. The following are my thoughts on some ways that the system can be improved. Most of these ideas are related to lawsuits about which I have read.
A lawsuit should be designated as frivolous if it meets any of the following conditions:
1) It can be conclusively proved that the defendant(s) in the lawsuit neither committed any act which directly caused, nor neglected to do something he/she/they were legally required to do or could be reasonably expected to do in order to prevent, the injury or other situation/circumstances which are the basis for the plaintiff's complaint.
. . In the cases of medical malpractice, the following conditions mean the lawsuit meets the above condition and therefore is considered a frivolous lawsuit:
. . A) The patient's complaint occurred because the patient failed to follow instructions given by the care giver during any point in the care giver's treatment of the patient, or because the patient failed to follow precautionary instructions provided with medication.
. . B) The patient's complaint occurred because of a drug interaction between a prescription drug and an illegal substance the patient was using.
. . C) The patient's complaint occurred because of a drug interaction between a prescription drug and an over-the-counter drug which the patient failed to inform his/her care giver that he/she was using or used against the care giver's advice.
. . D) The patient's complaint occurred because of the patient's use of any drug in a manner which is contrary to instructions given to the patient by the defendant for the patient's use of that drug.
. . E) The patient's complaint occurred strictly because of either the actions or neglect committed by a different care giver than the defendant, even if the other care giver works at the same facility or is otherwise associated with the defendant. Such a lawsuit should be directed instead at only the responsible party.
. . F) The patient's complaint occurred due to an accident which was the result of combative behavior exhibited by the patient during treatment by the defendant, or in the case of a lawsuit against a facility, treatment at the facility.
. . G) The patient's complaint occurred as the result of an accident which occurred because the patient was intoxicated by a substance not prescribed or provided by the care giver, even if the complaint involves complications created by that accident in a condition for which the care giver has been treating the patient.
. . H) The patient's complaint occurred as the result of a suicide attempt by the patient because of a mental health condition which existed in the patient prior to the patient's medical relationship with the care giver.
. . I) The patient's complaint occurred as the result of a suicide attempt by the patient in response to pain or other suffering from a condition which the care giver was treating when all of the following conditions are met:
. . . 1) the existence of the pain and/or other suffering in question was consistent with the condition in question.
. . . 2) the care giver had taken reasonably expected steps, consistent with treatment for the condition in question, to alleviate the pain and suffering in question
. . . 3) the care giver had provided counseling regarding any other steps available which may alleviate the pain and suffering in question, and the normally expected results of those steps
. . . 4) the pain and suffering was at a normal, expected level for a symptom of the existing condition and had not been increased by improper or unconventional treatment by the care giver
. . . 5) the care giver had not failed to properly monitor the patient's condition in a manner consistent with traditionally expected within the care giver-patient relationship in question.
. . J) The patient's complaint amounts to dissatisfaction with a result of treatment when all of the following conditions are met:
. . . 1) the treatment used was either the only or the best option available for use in cases of the type of ailment for which it was used in the patient's case.
. . . 2) the result in question is consistent with the expected/normal result for the use of the treatment for the patient's condition OR was determined ahead by the care giver and the patient or patient's consenting representative to be the most expected (not best hoped for) result which could be achieved for use of this treatment in this case, OR was a side-effect of the treatment which the patient or patient's consenting representative was told to consider before consenting to the treatment.
. . . 3) counseling was provided prior to treatment, making the patient or patient's consenting representative aware possible side-effects and other results of the treatment, any other options which might be available, and any expected results of choosing either another treatment or choosing not to treat..
. . . 4) the care giver was licensed to perform the treatment given, at the time the treatment was given.
. . K) The patient's complaint occurred due to factors which were completely beyond the care giver's control, and which the care giver could not predict or had predicted before receiving the patient's or consenting representative's consent to treat.
. . L) The patient's complaint places blame on the defendant for the existence of a disorder in the patient which is actually a genetic disorder or is a birth defect caused by conventionally unadvised behavior by the mother during gestation (such as fetal alcohol syndrome), or for the existence of a disorder which existed prior to treatment with the defendant.
2) The plaintiff's complaint is based on an accident which occurred while the plaintiff was illegally trespassing on the defendant's property.
3) The plaintiff's complaint is based on an accident which occurred while the plaintiff was using personal property which the plaintiff had stolen from the defendant.
. . In the case of medical malpractice, 2 and 3 would include cases in which a plaintiff's complaint is based on the result of his or her having trespassed at the defendant's home or place of practice and then damaged him/herself using any equipment or substance contained therein, OR as a result of his or her having stolen any equipment or substance contained therein, even if the equipment or substance could be later determined to have been in any way treated in a negligent manner by the defendant.
4) The plaintiff's complaint is based on an accident which occurred while the plaintiff was committing a violent crime against the defendant.
5) The plaintiff's complaint is based on an injury incurred due to any act the defendant committed in self defense against the plaintiff during any violent act committed against the defendant by the plaintiff.
6) The plaintiff is suing for any level parental rights to a child he fathered by committing forcible rape against the child's mother, for which he has been convicted. The same stipulation should be applied to pedophiles who have fathered children with underage girls or boys when the age difference or other factors result in prosecution and rape conviction, with exceptions made only in cases where both parents were underage but neither was mentally incompetent (disabled, not drunk) at the time of the relationship. Even if a judge does allow such a suit to go through, any attorney involved on the plaintiff's side should be liable (in the case of a loss) for legal malpractice as described below.
. . When a lawsuit is filed, the plaintiff should have the right to request a hearing to determine whether or not the suit is frivolous. This hearing should be of the same nature as the type of hearing being used in the original suit. If the suit is to be heard just by a judge, then the determination as to whether or not the suit is frivolous should also be made by a judge. If the suit is to be heard by a jury, then the determination should also be made by a jury.
. . In all cases which are determined by a judge or jury to be defined as frivolous lawsuits, the plaintiff's attorney must be held responsible for all of the defendant's legal expenses and court costs, as well as any lost wages due to work absences while the defendant was in the courtroom during activity regarding the case. Further, once a lawsuit is legally defined as frivolous, all involved defendants should be granted the legal right to do the following with regards to that specific case:
1) Insist that prosecution take place for any illegal acts committed in the process of the suit by any and all plaintiffs and their legal representatives.
2) File countersuit against any and all plaintiffs for having wrongfully dragged them into court.
3) File Legal Malpractice lawsuits against the plaintiffs' attorney(s) who actively participated in the frivolous case, with active participation defined as having done any of the following:
. -appeared in court on behalf of the plaintiff in the frivolous suit
. -filed any motion or other paperwork on behalf of the plaintiff as an attorney involved with the frivolous suit
. -contacted the defendant(s) or defendants' attorney(s) as a representative of the plaintiff with regards to the frivolous case
. Attorneys who are members of a firm should not be held legally responsible for cases taken on by their partners unless the firm's policy requires that partners approve each others' involvement in suits.
. . Legal Malpractice by an attorney in the form of filing frivolous lawsuits should be a prosecutable offense with penalties which range from fines to jail time and loss of license to practice law, depending on the severity and frequency of the attorney's infractions. Intent to violate or lack thereof should be a factor in determining the level of discipline involved. There should not be jail time or license loss for first time offenders, or for minor offenders. Penalty for offenses in which it can be determined that the nature of the case made it difficult to determine whether or not the case had merit should be minimal or possibly even suspended, depending on the case. Repeat offenders should see increased penalties with each conviction, and habitual offenders should be stopped by loss of license. Obvious major violations should earn the offender jail time.
. . The plaintiff should also be able to file a Legal Malpractice lawsuit against his/her own attorney if the plaintiff can prove that he or she filed the lawsuit under the attorney's advisement after having been sought out by any means and solicited by the attorney for the purpose of said filing. Plaintiffs should not be able to sue their attorneys if they insisted on filing suit against the attorney's advice, or if they shopped, going through several attorney refusals before finding an attorney who was willing to take the case in question.
. . In order to prevent the legal profession from avoiding responsibility for their behavior by all refusing to take legal malpractice cases, availability of legal malpractice representation for plaintiffs in legal malpractice cases should be enforced. If the legal community cannot otherwise make available attorneys who will take legal malpractice cases, then the law should establish a system wherein all attorneys who specialize in lawsuits, especially those who specialize in malpractice suits, must accept a percentage of their cases through the court as is done with public defenders, with that percentage being representative of plaintiffs in legal malpractice cases who cannot otherwise find an attorney.
. . In legal malpractice cases where the case is found in favor of the plaintiff, the malpractice defendant must be held responsible for all of the plaintiff's attorney fees and court costs.
. . In no way should limitations be placed on the size of monetary awards as a way of controlling frivolous lawsuits. Even $5.00 is too much to award a plaintiff if the defendant is not actually at fault. At the same time, limitations punish those plaintiffs who do have legitimate cases. Sometimes damages are much bigger than one person's injuries or suffering. Expenses can go way beyond medical costs and lost wages. Limitations fail to take into account the havoc one person's carelessness can wreak upon another's life.
. . I believe that the above way of handling wrongful litigation is a much better system for dealing with the out-of-control, greedy frivolous lawsuit industry and returning honor back to the legal profession without squashing the little guy's ability to obtain justice through the court system. Though these ideas may not work perfectly, I think they will work much better than the way things are being handled now.


Comments: 72
How did we get to the point where we can hold the manufacturer responsible for the misuse of a product when a person knowingly and willfully made the decision to do so? How did we decide that it's ok to for anyone to hold others responsible for unwanted consequences of his or her own actions?
M-O-N-E-Y
This is America where lawyers own the system. From guns to drugs, the individual abusing the product can't be held liable as they seldom have deep enough pockets to satisfy the vultures who see everything as their meal ticket or an opportunity to advance their social agenda.
Wow, something we agree on Charles. You are ABSOLUTELY right. I worked at a collections agency for about a year. I quit, in part, because I became disgusted with the whole business. There are VERY FEW decent and respectable lawyers who fight for TRUE consumers rights, or patients rights, or victims rights, etc. MOST of them are just looking to line their pockets with a quick buck off of a "deep pocket" (which is an actual LEGAL term)
I'm hoping the attorney I intend to use for my medical case is as good as he's supposed to be, I definately need someone who's concerned with ME and not the industry.
Hannah,
I agree with everything you said in your post. The problem is that there will be no new laws regarding this. Why? Because the laws are made by lawyers and they're not about to hurt their own income sources.
True, Len. Right now, the inmates are running the asylum. Most of our senate and congress are lawyers.
The question is, who keeps voting these lawyers into office?
We do. I hate to be negative, but every election I advise my friends to vote for ANYONE that doesn't have "incumbent" after his/her name. I'd also like them to consider not voting for anyone that has lawyer, attorney, or judge listed as his/her profession. Hasn't worked so far. California has returned the same idiots to office election after election.
...which is a huge part of the problem. That's why the little reform that was attempted last administration (which was not really on the right path, either, as they went for limits instead of real reform) was so adamantly opposed by both the house and the senate. Why would they want to reform a system from which their profession makes its profit?
This likely won't be proposed by any professional politician. If it or anything like it ever is proposed, it will be by someone newbie who wasn't a lawyer before running, and who probably won't get re-elected.
Expenses can go way beyond medical costs and lost wages. Limitations fail to take into account the havoc one person's carelessness can wreak upon another's life.
Like having a doctor perform HALF a surgery and then disappear?
Exactly... or like amutating the wrong leg while drunk, making the patient a double amputee when he has to have the correct one taken, too.
(Holding a GIANT sign)
HANNAH FOR PRESIDENT!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I am sure if I ran and got elected, I'd be shot in a week's time!
O.O
How about Supreme Court Justice?
LOL don't you have to be a judge first?
I've got the best job ever... Mommies get to help influence a piece of the next generation. I only hope I'm doing it right er, correctly.
I agree with everything in the article. Client shopping is common, not just in the legal field. Anything that is in public record is considered fair game. I even know of several evangelical churches that scan the courthouse for divorce filings and their representatives hit families when they are the most vulnerable.
Yoiur criteria for frivolous lawsuits are very good, but could go even farther. I totally agree that an injury occuring the commission of a crime should definitely be disallowed. I am sick and tired of reading of burglers suing and winning when a homeowner shoots them.
A few years back I was a pedestrian and was clipped by a car. The driver and his insurance tried to sue me for the dent in his car. Furtunately the judge didn't even call the attornies to the bench, but just read the charge and threw them out (literally). That doesn't always happen.
You're right, it doesn't. Often, the person with the "better" lawyer wins, rather than the person who is right. That's what was scary about the one lawyer who threatened to represent the other driver against me... had I been the driver of the front car, that case might have really happened.
How did they get your cell phone number?
The police report on which I was required to give it is public information. Lawyers around here routinely get those and call every phone number on them. I found that out from co-workers.
THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS! I understand the report is public information, but your PHONE NUMBER is private, if you had to give your SS# on it would that be considered public info to? Good grief.
They block out the SS# (which I was also requried to give) when they give out a copy or post the report online, but not the phone number, unfortunately.
I was really surprised that this happened... I've been in a fair number of accidents (it's like I have a big magnet in my butt or something!) but this is the first time I've ever had one in a city this big, and it's the first time I've been solicited like this.
I can't believe that they are allowed to post your phone nuimber like that.
Oh, THAT'S where that supermagnet of mine went!
Interesting article. I agree that there are a lot of ambulance chasers out there. I am involved in a very serious lawsuit. I don't want to share the details, but I can assure you it is not frivioulous. There's so many trivial suits, though, that it has taken more than 10 years for mine to make its way through the court system
I'm glad you weren't hurt.
This is another example of the harm done by frivolous lawsuits. People with real suits, which have real merit due to real damages which cause real needs, these folks end up waiting years for the system to catch up and take care of them. In the meantime, bills often catch up first. A lot of suits which have merit get dropped because lawyers decide they aren't profitable, people can't take any more time off from work, or the circumstances of the victem's life end up making it impossible for him or her to continue persuing the case. This wouldn't happen if there weren't so many fake cases clamoring for the same judges as those which deserve to be heard.
Lawsuits are all we have. Otherwise we shoot pistols in the backyard at dawn? And will a corporation show up for that?
As it is, lawsuits are only for the stubborn and those with the nerves of steel. They take many years and those with power make it hard to proceed.
I wish it all worked better and faster.
I know a woman who won a lawsuit but she hasn't been paid since she can't figure out the paperwork some insurance company sent her, and requires. I'm sure they have many many tricks.
If you misuse a pistol, fire at someone with absolutely no justification, you get prosecuted. You don't get to claim self-defense and get out of the charge, leaving the damage you have done to be dealt with by your victim. If you misuse a lawsuit, there is currently almost nothing the victim can do to defend him/herself, and often you get rewarded for the harm you've caused.
Like pistols, which are regulated, lawsuits can have devastating effects. In the case of any lawsuit, not only is harm caused to the defendant, but a ripple effect can take place around the suit in which harm is caused to others. Employers who are sued end up cutting work hours, and employees get hit with lower paychecks. Sometimes lawsuits can bankrupt businesses. Individuals who are sued end up bankrupt and sometimes homeless. A homeowner or driver hit with a frivolous lawsuit can end up paying for the rest of his/her life without ever making a dent in a huge settlement.
That is why as with guns, lawsuits need to be regulated. It's not wrong for someone to own a gun for self-defense, and I am not arguing that there should never be lawsuits. However, it is wrong to shoot someone just because you want their stuff, or because you are angry over something they said or did, and it's also wrong to sue someone who hasn't caused you any real harm. It's worse yet to sue someone for being there when you caused yourself harm, or being connected to a circumstance involving your self-inflicted harm.
Great article with a lot of information. I agree with the points you make. It all boils down to greed and money.
Hannah: The problem doesn't seem to me to be the idea of suing manufacturers, or doctors, or farmers, or... when you get hurt by a product, service, error, activity, etc. The problem seems to ME TO be that fault and responsibility lie on a continuum, stretching from "It's your own damn fault, dumbass!" to "WHUTINELL do you MEAN you castrated my husband by MISTAKE?"
The other end of the stoopud spectrum is arbitrary limits on awards. We have them in Michigan. Not only does the lady in the latter example get no more than $250,000.00, the idiot who tried to fish froggie out of the blender while froggie was going 'round and 'round - real fast, can get the same amount. And the impact on malpractice insurance cost (and allegedly, therefore, medical costs) in Michigan? NADA! None! Zilch! Zippo! And et-cet-er-a! The RATE of increase hasn't even slowed.
Of course it hasn't slowed... there are more lawsuits now so that the lawyers can make the same money they were making before.
That's why I don't believe in limits. They don't work, they punish the victim, and do nothing to deter the vultures and snakes in the legal field from continuing to file meritless suits.
You're right about the continuum... there are suits that barely have merit, and suits that are obviously needed. I still think it's stupid to allow predatory lawyers to use people to steal from other people under the guise of justice with suits that have no merit.
An excellent post. Here in Texas we have rules against lawyers soliciting business, so I'm wondering if the Bar in your state should have been notified with the names of these particular lawyers.
We also have a penalty for malicious prosecution of civil suits. I doubt it's used much.
I've said for years that common sense should be renamed. So few people seem to have it any more that it should be called extraordinary sense.
I completely agree on the common sense thing.
As for the Bar association, I don't know how responsible they are in Texas, but my experience with them in Ohio hasn't been so good.
What is considered malicious prosecution? Is that just a frivolous lawsuit, or is it something more specific?
I had a judegement against a woman who ran a light and totalled my car and broke my wrist (keeping me from modelling) back in 1966, it ws only $1750, OK for that time I guess, but the woman bolted and every time the bailiffs caught up with her, they collected what they could, AND KEPT IT! Fees for finding her, I never saw a penny!
That's horrible! At the frivolous end, lawyers shouldn't be getting away with stealing, but at the other end of things, when someone causes such obvious harm, they shouldn't get away with it, either.
I know exactly what you mean, though. The driver of the buick that hit me in 1998 fled, too. By the time I found her, my lawyer decided to drop the case because it wasn't going to make him any money. By the time he did that, there wasn't another lawyer in the area who would take it. I had about $4000 in medical bills (The car I was in went airborn... I hit my head on the dash... ambulance run, ER visit, x-rays... and even though I was only there for half a day, the hospital billed me for an overnight stay.)
Yep, hospitals have interesting billing techniques. Even though one refused to treat me in ANY way, including just giving me fluids for my dehydration, they billed me for an overnight ER stay.
When AnnA had her gall bladder surgery, she was billed for a medicine that she knew they had not given her because she's allergic to it. She was also billed for the medicine that they gave her instead of the one to which she was allergic. She found out because she got the bill instead of her insurer. She'd been treated in a civilian hospital due to extenuating circumstances, but she was a military wife at the time. She forwarded the bill, and the information about the incorrect billing, to the correct location... needless to say, the hospital billing dept. had some explaining to do!
After Melissa's mom died she and her brother got bills from the hospital for tests they alledgedly did AFTER she was dead!
I'm not surprised. That kind of thing seems to be routine. They get away with it when people don't check their bills. Insurance companies just pay (or deny) unless someone points out the "error." Self-payers often get stiff-armed. I contested bills that were wrong, and they were sent to collections.
I am still pissed I lost my 1955 Plymouth, red and black, it was so cool! I had already lost my 49 MG-TD and well, at 16 to be into your third car!!
This woman didn't leave the scene, but after the judgment was mand in court, that is when she became scare, hared to believe it was only over $1750!
It's sad that they can do that... my bad driver didn't flee the scene of the accident, but she fled the state within days of it knowing that I was injured.
Losing a Plymouth sucks. My dad had a 1977 Fury... that was the coolest car I ever drove. I have a Grand Voyager now... a 1991. Old and beaten up as it is, I love it.
It's sad that someone can injure an innocent bystander, cause big medical bills, and get away with it, while the courts will pursue a guy they label a "deadbeat dad" to the ends of the earth over money he owes based on an often arbitrary decision.
To quote friend of mine, who was convicted of assault for having been stabbed by a woman, "The system's broke. It ain't justice when bad people go free and innocent people get punished." He shut up when the judge threatened him with a contempt charge.
Yes, t is tilted toward the rule of law, not the situations on a singular basis.
you mention 'deadbeat dads'.
the $300 stimulus bonus we are supposed to get for filing tax returns this year? Well, I have Medi-Dal (Medic-Aid) and instead of giving me my cheque they too it for re-payment! Hell, they alread can have the lein on my property when I die, but they want it now! They say child support payments or anything owned the govt! Weird!
The problem with my friend's case is that he'd done nothing wrong. If he'd been stabbed by a male, things would have been different. Since it was a woman, even though he'd done nothing, he was considered the aggressor because of his sex.
The state should never be able to confiscate child support. If it's truly for the kids, as they claim it is, then the state shouldn't touch it. They shouldn't take your tax refund, either. Your refund is just money that was taken out of your paycheck, held, and then sent back to you. Are they taking it because your state makes you pay medicaid back?
Medicaid has never taken my tax refund, but the CSEA has, for child support owed by my husband. He's paying more because his ex isn't reporting all of her income, and because the state takes her two kids with her new husband into account when figuring her ability to support the kids, thereby increasing his responsibility. In other words, he's supporting his kids and another father's kids.
I had that happen to a friend of MINE too. His exwife stabbed him in the neck with a screwdriver, barely missing his artery. He pushed her away to get out of the apartment and called 911. When it was all said and done, she was charged with a misdemeanor, and HE was charged with a FELONY.
I have only seen one good Judge and not one good lawyer, well any I would trust anyway.
I know a couple of good judges in Auglaize County (if they haven't retired yet)... but that's a rural area. I think cities poison judges' brains or something, though, because I've seen some pretty stupid rulings in every city where I've lived or worked.
Most of my friends realize that I'm rather weird. Some time back I posted a story that was written completely tongue-in-cheek. Well, I'd actually like to see it happen, but it was written just for fun. If you have the time, take a look at this:
http://www.endevil.com/theattorney.html
Interesting story! I like the premise... the idea that taking on a client for a lawsuit, or defending a scumbag would have consequences. Though it's not Sci-fi, it has that same element that a lot of Sci-fi stories have of illustrating a point by describing a situation that is a little extreme. You should post it on Gather.
Done deal as soon as I get the rights statement settled.
A few years ago I was at the local grocery store with my husband and our son who was about 6 at the time. He kept putting his hand on the moving belt and we kept telling him to stop doing it. Well, not surprisingly he got the meaty part of his palm stuck in the belt where it goes down and under the counter. He screamed, my husband pushed down the belt and yanked his hand out, then we yelled at him for not listening. The store, however, went crazy. They thought we would sue them for his injury. Once we convinced them that it was not their fault they still insisted on giving him a handful of suckers. Needless to say he did not get all that candy because he was disobeying us and wouldn't have gotten his hand caught if he had listened to us in the first place! Just because someone gets hurt does not mean someone else should have to pay! So many frivolous lawsuits hurts everyone.
I am glad to see that there are some parents like mine left in the world, who would rather teach their kids some common sense than make a fast buck. Kudos!
I see scary stuff my place of work all the time... moments which could easily turn into frivolous suits if they happen to the wrong person.
I can't tell you how many times people have gotten angry at us because they reached past a warning sign and got their skin burned by falling hot coffee or on the 150 degree bars of a roller grill.
Bravo Ginny. Too many parents just let their children wander aimlessly through stores, or around people's places, etc and then get mad at the OWNER for not watching what THEIR children were doing. Or for not making sure that Their child was safe from something they shouldn't even BE NEAR to begin with.
great post, I hate the way lawers run their buisness, but again, most people who work for congress are lawyers.
I still can't believe you received all those calls!
I live in Ohio and I've never experienced such nonsense in all my life. If I were you, I'd sue all those lawyers who called you to get your money back from them wasting your time.
Te he!
It was a shock to me, too. Only in the Dayton Metro area has this happened to me. You can't turn the TV on here for more than an hour without seeing some firm advertising that you might be eligible for part of the settlement from this or that class action lawsuit. There's one law firm that advertises on the radio all the time, too... the guy claims he'll get any DUI case thrown out. It's ridiculous.
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I don't know where the middle ground on this issue is. Make it too hard to sue and you remove many people's only chance of defense or opportunity to regain what they lost. I think you'll find few outside the legal profession who don't believe the system is broke but agreeing on anything to remedy it is the problem.
Ginny A , my hats off to you!
You taught your child a terric moral lesson that day. If more people would take responsibility for his/ her own actions, we'd be so much better off. Then the courts could "hear" cases of purposefully negligence. We each need to do our own part.
The system, includes all individuals wanting a "fast buck", and is definitely out of whack.
Exactly. What the hell happened to "personal responsibility"? This is part of the reason we now have "Generation Me" of which my son's WILL NOT be part of, ever.
I have a friend who works in construction for a living. Not long ago, as he was driving a piece of paving equipment, a man stuck his leg out in from on him (witnessed by a number of people, including a uniformed police officer). Image the surprise when, a week later, he received a notice of suit from the man who did this. While he was not at fault, of course, there is the cost of responding to have the filing dismissed. In addition, insurance premiums will rise.
What a pain.
That brings up another huge point... a massive "side effect" of the Frivolous Lawsuit Industry in the legal field is that it gives scammers another outlet:
Automotive Accident Scams
The cost of such scams ranges from rising insurance premiums to injury and sometimes even death of both the perp and the victim, all for the purpose of being able to use a lawsuit to get money from an insurance company.
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There was a class-action lawsuit in which I once could have participated... I do not remember all of the details, but the lawsuit involved a medicine that saved my life. For 16 years, I was prescribed the drug Theophylline for treatment of severe asthma. I did experience exactly the kind of problems over which the lawsuit was filed, but I would have died without the drug. The side effects weren't just from use of the drug, they were from an interaction between it and an antibiotic I had to have because of a massive respiratory infection. There was no way of predicting the reaction until it had happened to people. Some people got hit with the side effects in a lot worse ways than I did. Some were disabled by the bad reaction; some were killed. I haven't lost any function. I have an irregular heartbeat with might have been caused by the drug, but it wasn't found until years after we heard about the suit and decided not to participate. It could also be from the difficult labor I had giving birth to my son... or it could be genetic. Never since seeing/hearing the ads on TV and radio stations around my parents' area have I ever felt that I was wrong in not participating in the suit.
I nearly died from a severe, acute asthma attack before Theophylline was prescribed to me in 1974. I still remember what that felt like, even though I was not yet two years old. To me, untimely death, especially death by suffocation, is worse than the drug's side-effects I've experienced. I admit to a strong addiction to breathing.
Staying out of the suit would be a much tougher choice now that I have kids and really need the money, but I just don't think that in the end, I could take money from a company that saved my life because I had to deal with a few inconveniences in the process. I'd feel like a thief. That kind of lawsuit can be responsible for taking helpful drugs off the market. Theophylline was not a bad drug, it just can't be used in conjunction with certain other drugs.
In cases like the one above, you might get 50 bucks, but the lawyers will get THOUSANDS.
In a lot of class action suits, all the participants get is a coupon! That usually happens with suits against corporations over product malfunctions, etc. Always, though, the lawyers get paid.
I agree. Class action suits are useful to make money for lawyers, but the injured parties get very little.
It's a sad fact, but every medical record has something in it that can indicate negligence. Ambulance chasers have raised the cost of health care for all. There are some very legitimate suits, but so many that are greed-based.
My sister fell on icy steps at her church over a year ago. She sustained painful, permanent spinal damage and the church's insurance refused to pay her hospital bills. Worse, they did not clear the ice for over a month. She finally had to hire an attorney and now her pastor is angry with her. I don't see this as a frivolous suit. I do hope they will learn to keep the steps clear and safe so no one else gets hurt.
The church is just like any other public place, they are responsible to make sure that things are safe. Icy steps are definately NOT safe. Particularly when you take into account that most people wear "nice" shoes to church which have very little tread or grip on them. The church is wrong, and I agree, THAT is not a frivilous suit.
Elizabeth,
I was a member of Shrine of the Little Flower parish in Royal Oak, for 25 years. The steps, ramps and parking lots were shoveled and salted before Masses. Since it is a world-famous church, tour groups visit and people fall inside the church, usually because they're looking up at the art work and miss the steps. No matter the reason, medical bills are always paid and lawsuits settled. Churches have a cost of doing business just like any other, and lawsuits are part of that. I think my sister's pastor should be ashamed of his behavior.
You're right Jan. Your sister's case is not frivolous. Unfortunately, if you are in a highly populated area, it'll probably be slow going in court because they'll be hearing a bunch of frivolous cases, too, making the whole process slower because of the number of cases being tried.
thanks
Wow, what a story. Very interesting perspective on this issue of frivolous lawsuits.
P.S. While we're on the subject, thought I'd drop by with this one: Bloggers, Beware: What You Write Can Get You Sued - WSJ.com.
That's an interesting article! It ties right in with what I was talking about, too. There are times when such lawsuits are justified, but much more frequently, lawsuits are misused in cases like these. It is one thing for an individual or even a business to sue over false statements made in a blog or article, but quite another for an organization to sue when some truth is pointed out (such as an amount spent on a certain activity in a specific year, or a number of deaths associated with a product or a componant of a product, etc.) just because the organization doesn't like the public's potential perception of that truth. As things stand, if they wanted to, cigarette companies could sue bloggers mourning relatives who died of cancer if the blog states that the cancer was caused by smoking. Those guys probably won't do that, because it would just be more bad press for them, but the "Church" of Scientology is known for filing exactly this type of suit.