California School Intent On Homosexual Indoctrination of Kindergarteners

Schools didn't kick "God, prayer and the Bible out." That was decided by the courts of law and the U.S. Constitution which says that church and state shall remain separate.

You should take alook at the Prop 8 again hon. It hurts us and the children, oh and YOU too. But what do I know, I'm gay right. I don't hate people that hates us, I just pray for them to have a mind that isn't ignorant. People have the right to have any job they want. Its not up to the people to say, "Oh, he's gay, he can only have this job only".
I wasn't going to answer to your article. And another, we are not FORCING our gayness onto you. We just want to be left alone, live our lives and have the same rights as anyone else. How hard is that. I mean, you want rights, you want the right to be married, live a life you want to live. I guess thats ok, not us, huh. I'm sorry, but if you want hatred to stop, then you need to stop what your doing. Because, that is called hatred, and you keep spawing it.

Kimberly keeps showing her true Christian (hah!) colours here Rebecca. She is so far behind the rest of the world in love and understanding and is just so afraid. Fear is what drives the bigots of this world, they don't want their staus quo threatened!
That only means she is not really sure of her convictions.

Everyone has the freedom to choose and all options should be taught, then we will cull the haters of society from our habitat!

Some gay people just want to be left alone to live their lives... but others do not. Others want to force their lifestyle on all of us. They want more rights than anyone else and they act like spoiled brats when anyone says anything against them or dares to question anything they do.
Schools cannot teach morality because they are not moral guardians, as much as they like to pretend that they are. Only parents have that right.

Thanks for sharing ....

This is America. Everyone does not have freedom to choose. Parents don't have the right to raise their children as they see fit and gays cannot choose to marry who they wish.

In CA parents do not have the freedom to choose to homeschool their children ane "separation of church and state" is not law. The CA supreme court has ruled, in the not so distant past, that religious teaching is an acceptable curriculum even when it goes beyond the basics and has the children engage in ritualistic activities.

Either way teaching sexuality to kindergarten students is way off the mark. Maybe if schools taught something worthwhile Americans would know what form of government was supposed to be guaranteed by the constitution.

Where in the Constitution does it say that we need to separate church and state?

This was a concept made popular by Kennedy because it was the only way he could get elected since there had never been a Catholic president before, and Catholics where not very well accepted in this country at the time.

I think it is pretty much useless motion to attempt to discuss this issue with people who have a closed mind.

Freedom ends when your freedom limits my freedom. My freedom ends where it encroaches upon your freedom. The concept of freedom in America is encapsulated in the constitution's guarantee of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness being defined as inalienable rights belonging to every citizen.

Where conflicts emerge in attempting to define where those limits lie, our democratic form of government gives the decision making power to the majority.

Our government has gone a muck in reversing the democratic process.

When gay people are in the majority and can honestly vote their concept of that lifestyle as the accepted norm, I will gladly sit down and keep my mouth shut or move to a place on the globe where I am not confronted by their lifestyle. Otherwise my liberty would be infringing upon their liberty.

I simply ask that they treat me with the same respect.

My biggest "gripe" is that when a Christian posts their views on the subject it's "hate" (such as someone flagged you here), but if a homosexual speaks out against the Christian, it's OK. ???? Double standard. And I will choose the moral compass with which my children are raised. Part of why I homeschool. I don't teach hatred. I teach them to love people as God would love them. We're all sinners so I can't hate a homosexual anymore than I can hate someone who is living with, but not married to, their partner. Sin is sin and I don't judge. I try to love them where they are at, treat them with kindness, and know that I have my own sin so who am I to judge? God is the judge.

this is actually old news....
I remember blogging about this on MyLot....
Mooch

THe flagging here is way out of line. Kim is not attacking the Gay community for being gay, if some would learn to read, but she is attacking her and other parent's right being stripped away by in this case the gay liberation groups.
I agree that this should not be taugfht to kids in kindergarten, it should not be taught by untrained teachers in the first place. It should be taught about in biology class in Jr. High/High school when kids are old enough to understand and make choices on their own. It should be taught as an understanding to alternate lifestyles, as information only. NOt being forced on kids, but giving them information.

This isn't a post I normally respond to, but wanted to state my opinion on this one. I checked out your link, and I can see both sides of the issue: Maybe kindergarten is too young to be talking about such a controversial issue in class, but I also don't think that teaching acceptance of gay people is indoctrination either; I got the sense from the article that it was mainly to educate about bullying- because there have been cases in this country of people being bullied, beaten; and even killed- just for the fact that they are gay.

Also, freedom goes BOTH ways. You or anyone else are free to state that you disagree with a gay" lifestyle", or the idea that people are born gay; but that doesn't mean that gay people don't get the same rights as straight people either.

As for the complaint about taking god out of the schools, have people really thought this all the way through? The first amendment ( in part) says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. So if god were brought back into the schools as people say, then that would mean ALL religions and concepts of god, since the government cannot establish one religion; or prohibit the free exercise of any religion. It seems whenever people talk about bringing god back into schools, it's mostly or only about christianity; so are people prepared to accept a wide variety of religions and concepts of god if god is brought back into the schools like they want?

but you can FORCE FEED your religious aspects on other human beings?

I never met a gay/lesbian try to convert me, but I met many people like you try to convert me.

When you can stand on your side of the fence and wave hi in a friendly matter, maybe others would wave back via the same.

If I can understand and respect your ways, why can you Not do the same with others.

Here is something You should understand:
Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly with honesty and justice, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other ignoble means, our judgment will reflect it and judging with fairness and compassion will garner likewise in His judgment of us]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense thinking of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye

yes, I have read the bible...many times and can play quote per quote game with christains with no problem.

God loves all.  He doesn't hate gays, he doesn't hate parents who beat their children, He doesn't hate me when I get mad at my husband and want to throw a plate at him.

He hates anything that comes between us and him.  Regardless of what that is.  At some point, we have got to find a way to come together and live together in peace.  That is what Jesus came to teach.  He was ridiculed for that very thing.  Hating our neighbor isn't going to get us anywhere.

Judging our neighbor, as Nellie said is against the Bible that I read every day.  I don't want someone pointing a finger at me, and announcing every flaw to the world, so why would I want to do it to someone else.

My grandmother used to say you caught more flies with honey than sandpaper.  This was usually after my mouth had gotten me into trouble once again.

I try not to force feed my religious views on anyone Nellie.  Yes, I am a Christian.  I am married to a Southern Baptist minister.  I believe in the sanctity of marriage.  What I don't believe in is bashing those who don't believe as I do.  I appreciate those who do not bash me for mine.