DEPRESSION ~ A DISCUSSION . . .
Artistic Therapy ~ DISCUSSION about DEPRESSION . . .
The Members of Artistic Therapy have started a DISCUSSION about the topic of DEPRESSION.
WE are looking forward to the input from ALL Members, as well as those who come across this Discussion in Gatherland.
WE are asking the following questions:
1) Are you depressed at this time?
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed?
3) Do you know the symptoms of DEPRESSION?
4) Do you know how to deal with DEPRESSION effectively?
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present?
Jump into this DISCUSSION by answering any of the above five questions, or by adding your own input and thoughts.
If you have had a time in your life where you have gone through DEPRESSION and overcame your depressive state, do tell us all about it.
WE look forward to having all participants turn this discussion into a therapeutic group round~table that helps others understand the symptoms, causes, and steps to control depression.
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Hi Chana ~ Just jump in with your input where you see fit -- You always have so much to share with us, and we are so grateful for you. Your NEW ARTICLE is NOW FEATURED!
HUGS ~ Rene
Yes, have been going through an awful time.At my age, I am excited about dong a first show, and knowing I came" late to the fair", so to speak..wasted time, wasted years..life just hasn't turned out the way I had hoped..I try not to get myself into" stinken'-thinkin'", as they say, but..here I am
Hi Margaret ~ The following message is from Chana to you -- this thread is causing her computer a problem due to length, so she asked me to bring this message from her over here for you . . .
Rene, I wanted to respond to Margaret Platt on your Depression article, but the thread is getting to long for my computer to deal with. Would you pass the message along for me please? I would appreciate it. Chana
Margaret, Grandma Moses didn't really start painting until she was in her seventies or eighties and her art is wonderful. There is no time limit on creation. Please don't feel that those years were totally misspent. Your mind and soul were working toward a goal and it looks like you have reached it. They say that life happens while you are busy planning. I don't know if anything I have said will comfort you, but know that I "reach you". Please don't stop reaching toward your dreams.
Margaret ~ WE are so glad that you joined us in Artistic Therapy. Here is my comment to what you've shared with us. . .
"Yes, have been going through an awful time.At my age, I am excited about dong a first show, and knowing I came" late to the fair", so to speak..wasted time, wasted years..life just hasn't turned out the way I had hoped..I try not to get myself into" stinken'-thinkin'", as they say, but..here I am" ~ Margaret Platt
Margaret ~ You're never too late to take hold of your DREAMS, and to shape them into what you desire. Sometimes we all feel as if we have wasted time, wasted years, and that our life didn't seem to take the right turns so to speak. But ALWAYS our HOPES are within reach.
I'm always INSPIRED by 90 year olds still walking and running and smiling and living LIFE in spite of any hardships they've gone through, pains they may have, hurt feelings they have suffered . . . I think to myself, "Man! Looking at them, I have at least another 50 or so years to go!" Then I feel ridiculous if I even moan about LIFE. What a precious "gift" LIFE is!
All that to say to you Margaret ~ LIVE your LIFE with ALL that you've got, and never, never, never believe that it is too late for anything. In the blink of an eye . . .
HUGS ~
Your Friend ~ Rene
Thank you to both Rene and Chana for being so supportive.Your words are gentle to my heart and kind to spirit. I went shopping tonite for something to wear to the show tomorrow, when I looked into that full lenght, awful mirror in the dressing room, and realized I am just not 19 anymore( like I didn't suspect something was amiss, me being a grandmother and all!)My mothers thighs glared before me staring back in all the cellulitic unglory..Why is it that no matter how old we get in our body, our minds never "feel" old..yes, our thoughts and ideas grow; one hopes, but our perceptions of who we are, what we look like, and are, still ring of youth inside our minds eye. I should have been shopping for a "little black dress" I think,( although theres nothing little about me anymore), I find myself wanting to buy the latest generation of "hippie-wear" Guase skirts, beaded sandels..etc...sigh.... Life IS a precious gift, I know this well. I clinically died after the birth of my 3rd son, and part of that vision is in the painting I posted.
So, dear ones, I appreciate all your compassion and words of encouragement. If youare near Stafford Springs, Ct tomrrow, come check out the gallery and say Hi!!!! Blessings to you both for your willingness to share your love and experience, all are pearls of wisdom.
Oh Margaret what wonderful words you've brought to us. I wish that I was in CT -- I'd certainly come to your show. Let us know how everything went.
HUGS & BLESSINGS back.
Your Friend ~ Rene
Anna del C.
Author of "The Silent Warrior Trilogy"
http://www.annadelc.com
First I sleep, then I wallow, then I get my clothes on and go for a walk. At first my animals stay close and comfort me. Then they get bored and force me to get up and look after them. One thing I have learned and I try to remember when I get really down is: This will pass. It has passed before. Nothing remains the same. Tomorrow the sun will shine.
My method of attack this time:
1. Medication
2. Couseling
3. Spiritual support from friends who have been through this in the past
4. Exercise
5. Good nutrition
6. Spending daily time renewing my mind with the Word of God. I find that my depression starts because of chemicals/hormones, but then it spirals into self-doubt, self-hatred, etc... I combat this downward move by feeding myself the truth from God's word and with what HE thinks about me. It also helps calm the crazy cycle of voices and thoughts in my head that have tormented me day and night. I know that sounds like a crazy person, but honestly my mind races when I am stuggling with depression and the Bible helps shut that off.
7. Lowering my expectations for myself. I used to expect my house to be prefectly clean all the time. Now, I am finally realizing that with 3 preschoolers there are just somethings that I have to let go of. I tend to be a perfectionist and the stress this has caused has finally sent me over the edge. So, I am learning to release it and not care what the world expects of me. I am learning to retrain my mind that beauty isn't solely an outward pursuit. But that it is something that happens from the inside out. I am no longer trying to "perform" so that people will like me. Take me or leave me, I don't care. God created me, He loves me, and said that His creation was "good". That is the only opinion I need.
Every day can be a battle, but I am confident that as I fight this it not only gives me compassion for those around me that are dealing with similar things, but also that it in general just makes me a stronger person. It has made me appreciate my kids more, take time to hear the laughter when previously I would clean all day. I find myself stopping to enjoy life more. The depression is still there, but by God, I am going to kick it one of these days!
Jennifer, I also like the fact that you've shared with us the important element of keeping busy with family and/or friends ~ WE can never underestimate the VALUE of close contact with those that we love and have fun with -- those close to us that we can talk things over with. Many times our friends and family members will have a solution to a problem that we may have; or be able to offer advice on a problem or problems that are heavy on our hearts.
And the two dogs! ~ Jennifer ~ What a GREAT IDEA!
Thanks for sharing with us.
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed? Yes
3) Do you know the symptoms of DEPRESSION? Yes all to well
4) Do you know how to deal with DEPRESSION effectively? Yes although I still have my moments. As well I am on medication for it.
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present? Know you are not alone and the only one that really matters is yourself.
There are some cases where GRIEF over the loss of a loved-one (family member or friends) and/or a spouse, siblings, or children can in effect be LONG-TERM GRIEF.
Hopefully this discussion will shed light on how to handle both types of GRIEF from those who are viewing this DISCUSSION, and have walked this path already.
Spiritual Counsel is always helpful. Hopefully we will hear some input on that aspect from others in our Group, and from those who are joining in on this discussion.
Chana ~ You've also mentioned depression that comes as a result of trying to overcome a GREAT LOSS in your life ~ i.e., losing a job; serious medical issues; having a spouse who has been unfaithful and severed the marriage; finding out about a great betrayal, etc....
I'm sure that we will receive plenty of feedback from others on any of the above. It would be very helpful to hear about the ways in which others chose to resolve these issues.
Thanks for adding to this Chana ~ and I do hope that you will add more.
"I suffer from chronic depression. Depression has been my companion for most of my life. I have learned many different coping methods including the use of medication. Counseling helps but only if you find a therapist your comfortable with. One of the keys to my escaping the clutches of depression is to socialize. When I am suffering the tendency to isolate is overpowering. The more I am around people the easy it is to fight off the foul moods. Exercise helps a great deal but again my pull towards isolation means I will avoid exercising. I took medication for almost 15 years but have been giving my system a break from it." ~ Linda T.
We are going to be discussing all of the items that I've put in BOLD in your comment. Namely:
1) Chronic Depression
2) Coping Methods
3) Medication
4) Counseling
5) Finding the right Therapist
6) Socializing to eliminate depressive thoughts/moods
7) Avoiding ISOLATION
8) Catching foul moods, and stopping them in their tracks ~ ways to deal with them
9) EXERCISE
10) Alternative Methods for dealing with depression outside of medication
There are many reasons for the onset of depression Linda, and although you have shared with us the fact that you have had chronic depression for most of your life, the question is always, what is the cause? -- sometimes it is the result of an incident, a continued trauma, a serious loss, and/or a chemical imbalance (just to name a few of the reasons).
We'd like to hear some of the coping methods that you have learned about. I know you've mentioned medication and also counseling. Which of the two did you have more success with? Were you able to find a Therapist that you were comfortable with, or did you have to try several before finding the right one?
Socializing is an excellent way to help with Chronic Depression. Enjoying yourself, your life, and your loved ones is a very therapeutic method that has excellent results. Sometimes a change of environment is also helpful... Going on a nice vacation, and/or moving to another home or city sometimes proves very successful.
Talk Therapy also helps ~ whether with a Therapist, a Group, and/or with close associates and/or friends. Those who have similar bouts of depression and/or chronic depression can provide very good advice as to how to deal with it.
Avoiding isolation is KEY. It is always good to do whatever is necessary to avoid long periods of isolation when the onslaught of depression starts. EXERCISING is one good way to put yourself in another frame of mind. Walking, going to an exercising facility, swimming, playing tennis, volleyball, racquet ball, jogging, running, etc. are very therapeutic outlets. Finding a Group of people to exercise with is very helpful. That way, someone will always be available to exercise with you -- including riding bikes, skiing -- or being a member of a Club that focuses on a certain sport. I'm glad you brought up this method Linda.
There are many other alternative methods to deal with DEPRESSION . . .
Spiritual, Herbal, Massage Therapy, Guided Meditation, ART, WRITING, PAINTING, PHOTOGRAPHY, SINGING, SEWING, COOKING, CREATING . . .
More to be added here Linda -- I hope you will add more input as well. We'd like to know how successful you've been with your break from medication too! That is great news.
" . . . The only way I know of to deal with self doubt "I never use the term depression because it demeans your ability and strength", is 1st by understanding the difference between what you want and what you really need. Write it all down in two columns and make them real for you if you find this easier. Then put aside what you want until you achieve what you really need. This is all about finding a direction for ones self and focusing ones energy in a single direction rather than dwelling on what is or has happened to create a state of mind caused by ones emotions. There will come a time to go back and understand what caused this state of mind but only when one has redefined their direction successfully and look back as an observer rather than a participant. This is usually the hardest step to take because it requires one to decide on a direction. In this instance the person involved has to be the number one priority and whats best for them. In this state of mind secondary considerations will only negate any positive progress one may hope to achieve. The rest comes later." ~ Richard Regener
Richard ~ You added great insight -- Using the term "self doubt" instead of using the word depression is one step toward changing one's awareness level.
To say that the word depression demeans your ability and strength is a KEY to understanding your way of thinking. I believe that words have POWER. I also believe that whatever WE BELIEVE we make REAL.
But, Richard, taking this to another place, there are times when a place, a person, a situation, a circumstance, a tragedy, or the like, can cause a person to be depressed ~ because WE are all HUMAN and have emotions and feelings. If somebody stuck me in a dark room with a person I didn't like for a long period of time I doubt that I'd be feeling any "self doubt" -- anger maybe -- depression maybe, but self doubt? -- not so in this case. But I do understand what you mean.
Now, let's go on with what you said about "UNDERSTANDING what you WANT, and what you REALLY NEED." . . .
You gave us really GOOD ADVICE . . .
"Write it all down in two columns and make them real for you if you find this easier. Then put aside what you want until you achieve what you really need. This is all about finding a direction for ones self and focusing ones energy in a single direction rather than dwelling on what is or has happened to create a state of mind caused by ones emotions." ~ Richard Regener
EXCELLENT ADVICE Richard...
But, what about the times when one has been seriously TRAUMATIZED? What about in the cases of RAPE, ABUSE, DEATH, etc.? What is your advice for those times? What about GRIEF -- losing a loved one tragically? What about those who have lost all their possessions in the blink of an eye? -- what do you tell them?
The other point that you've made . . .
"This is all about finding a direction for ones self and focusing ones energy in a single direction rather than dwelling on what is or has happened to create a state of mind caused by ones emotions. There will come a time to go back and understand what caused this state of mind but only when one has redefined their direction successfully and look back as an observer rather than a participant. This is usually the hardest step to take because it requires one to decide on a direction. In this instance the person involved has to be the number one priority and whats best for them. In this state of mind secondary considerations will only negate any positive progress one may hope to achieve. The rest comes later." ~ Richard Regener
Richard ~ Would you say that this advice is for those who are blaming self for something?
If this is so, then I can understand why you would interchange the word depression for "self doubt".
I can't wait to hear your response ~ HURRY BACK!
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed? No. Well, if they are I'm not aware of it.
3) Do you know the symptoms of DEPRESSION? I know some of them.
4) Do you know how to deal with DEPRESSION effectively? Not really aside from medical methods and counseling.
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present? Seek out help from friends or health professionals. Confide in someone and hopefully it will all work it's way out.
Writing is a really good way to get things out if you don't feel comfortable talking to others or don't have anyone to talk out. If you don't want to keep the pages you write, fine don't keep them. You can throw them away or burn them after if you want to.
Now, I notice that I need to do some more research on this stuff for Joy In Unexpected Places. Thanks for the reminder, Rene!
and i always experience depression to a certain level
it just depends
i'm listening to dark music right now
and the sky is grey
those factors may influence it a bit
i have extreme social phobias and anxiety
which do enhance it
i don't take meds
i have xanax
but because i'm so thin
one pill fucks me up for days
ever how small i break 'em
so why bother
i do know the syptoms
the warning signs too
i try to avoid that which depresses me most
(it's usually people)
though my childhood sucked
and those memories swim back to me time and again
when that happens
i disassociate from everything
but then if screws me with the same reurring nightmare i've always had
(the man inside my eye)
then it triggers my next issue
and that it anorexia
that one sucks worst of all
the only thing i've ever found to help is writing
to face the demons
painting them doesn't exorcize them
talking about it (with my therapist) doesn't either
compex wood working projects only provide temporay distraction
sorries
i didn't mean to ramble on and on
I'm bringing your comment down here to respond to . . .
"Depression can be an imbalance of chemicals in your head and usually gets aggravated by that day of the month. I had it for some years and I try to keep it balanced with vitamins and such. Not medicine. I did that before but they are too scary. I have my hubby under orders to talk with me make me laugh and tell me stories if I get too quiet. He can see the symptoms better than I can. I trust him to help me through it." ~ Anna D.
Anna ~ The chemical imbalance that you speak of ~ being hormonal ~ essentially a chemical messenger that transports a signal from one cell to another . . . Keeping your hormones in balance are KEY to GOOD EMOTIONAL HEALTH and WELL~BEING. This is true for MEN as well.
Because you take vitamins and such -- [I'm wondering what the "such" is Anna ~ L O L] . . . it helps to stabilize your hormonal balance, and is very helpful. I'm glad you brought this up. Have you also tried EXERCISE? This too is very helpful.
Those women who go to Chiropractors will also find that their treatment is very helpful. Message is also GOOD, and HEAT THERAPY.
While you've equated hormonal imbalance with depression, it can also bring on ANGER, CRYING FITS, CONFUSION of MIND, and in EXTREME CASES ~ VIOLENCE.
There is also the topic of MENOPAUSE ~ MALE and FEMALE ~ in relation to DEPRESSION -- as well as those who have just had children ~ "Baby Blues".
As you've said, medicines can be scary depending upon your body's reaction to the type of medicine you are taking (or were taking in your case).
You've mentioned something very important . . . LAUGHTER. LAUGHTER is very THERAPEUTIC, HEALING, and in some cases UPLIFTING and INSPIRATIONAL. LAUGHTER is a way to turn the tables on depression.
I'm glad that your husband is instrumental in helping you through any depression that you may encounter. This is very good to know -- you have a partner in tune with you.
Thank you so much for adding to this discussion. You've shared some very good input.
"Have I ever been depressed? Oh yes. Medication helps for a day or two, and then the symptoms worsen. So now, First I sleep, then I wallow, then I get my clothes on and go for a walk. At first my animals stay close and comfort me. Then they get bored and force me to get up and look after them. One thing I have learned and I try to remember when I get really down is: This will pass. It has passed before. Nothing remains the same. Tomorrow the sun will shine." ~ Wilhelmine Estabrook
Wilhelmine ~ Thanks for sharing this with us. It has been said over and over that the first sign of depression is a person who begins to sleep more than usual. Also a very messy home is seen as a sign of depression. Both go hand in hand with not caring or escaping the emotional turmoil of depression. Sometimes a person will tend to be "removed" or "not present" ~ or "quiet" as Anna described.
You've mentioned that medicine helps for a day or two, then the symptoms worsen -- hopefully you can share with us whether or not you still take the medicine you've mentioned.
Both the walks that you take, and your pets seem to make a difference in changing your mood.
I like what you've said about keeping in mind that "this will pass ~ it has passed before." -- very good to keep in mind. And, you are right, "Nothing remains the same. Tomorrow the SUN will SHINE." -- SO TRUE!
And your other thoughts of NOTE . . .
"Oh yes, and I write. I have dozens of essays tucked away somewhere on how it feels, the utter hopelessness that may have nothing whatsoever to actual events. But right now the sun is shining and I don't have time to look for them." ~ Wilhelmine Estabrook
WRITING is so very THERAPEUTIC Wilhelmine! I hope that you will share with us how your Essays helped you to further understand your bouts of depression. I noticed that you mentioned something KEY -- " . . . the utter hopelessness that may have nothing whatsoever to do with actual events." . . .
Is it your ESSAY WRITINGS that helped you to come to the realization that the feelings that you were having of utter hopelessness had nothing whatsoever to do with actual events? or, did you reach this conclusion as time passed and the SUN rose?
I'm curious to know if you MEDITATE or do a lot of REFLECTING? . . . It would help us all here in the DISCUSSION to share our tips for overcoming depression. Thank you for all that you've shared with us thus far Wilhelmine.
Awaiting your reply and further input!
HUGS ~
Your Friend,
Rene
I'm putting your Method of Attack for this condition in the next comment box . . .
My method of attack this time:
1. Medication
2. Counseling
3. Spiritual support from friends who have been through this in the past
4. Exercise
5. Good nutrition
6. Spending daily time renewing my mind with the Word of God. I find that my depression starts because of chemicals/hormones, but then it spirals into self-doubt, self-hatred, etc... I combat this downward move by feeding myself the truth from God's word and with what HE thinks about me. It also helps calm the crazy cycle of voices and thoughts in my head that have tormented me day and night. I know that sounds like a crazy person, but honestly my mind races when I am struggling with depression and the Bible helps shut that off.
7. Lowering my expectations for myself. I used to expect my house to be perfectly clean all the time. Now, I am finally realizing that with 3 preschoolers there are just some things that I have to let go of. I tend to be a perfectionist and the stress this has caused has finally sent me over the edge. So, I am learning to release it and not care what the world expects of me. I am learning to retrain my mind that beauty isn't solely an outward pursuit. But that it is something that happens from the inside out. I am no longer trying to "perform" so that people will like me. Take me or leave me, I don't care. God created me, He loves me, and said that His creation was "good". That is the only opinion I need.
Every day can be a battle, but I am confident that as I fight this it not only gives me compassion for those around me that are dealing with similar things, but also that it in general just makes me a stronger person. It has made me appreciate my kids more, take time to hear the laughter when previously I would clean all day. I find myself stopping to enjoy life more. The depression is still there, but by God, I am going to kick it one of these days! ~ Heidi Cole
Heidi ~ I want to talk about your Items (Methods of Attack) -- particularly Item #'s 3, 6 and 7. I'm going to the next comment box . . .
Heidi I like the Method of Attack that you have shared with us. . . .
Your 3rd Item ~ Spiritual support from friends who have been through this in the past is VERY HELPFUL. Just the mention of this issue will bring support from others who have gone through it, or know others who have gone through it. Some go through postpartum depression "silently" -- without ever talking about it. I glad that you are sharing with us so openly. It is very HELPFUL.
Your 6th Item ~ Spending daily time renewing my mind with the Word of God. I find that my depression starts because of chemicals/hormones, but then it spirals into self-doubt, self-hatred, etc... I combat this downward move by feeding myself the truth from God's word and with what HE thinks about me. It also helps calm the crazy cycle of voices and thoughts in my head that have tormented me day and night. I know that sounds like a crazy person, but honestly my mind races when I am struggling with depression and the Bible helps shut that off.
This is EXCELLENT advice for ALL FORMS of DEPRESSION Heidi. And, no, it does not sound like a crazy person at all. Chemical imbalances and Hormonal imbalances effect our minds, bodies, and unravel our emotions and cause us to have feelings that are not typical of our daily walk. Staying grounded in the Word of God is very helpful and effective. I'm so very glad to hear you relay this method.
The self-doubt and self-hatred that you've mentioned can also be added to the list of issues that many have with the struggle to overcome low self~esteem. There are periods that many go through where they battle with self~esteem issues. Criticism of "self" is the hardest of all...because it also flows over into "blame". It is of course, destructive to the spirit. However, the spirit cannot be destroyed. The spirit can be fired into GOLD, and that is the thought that everyone should keep in mind . . . there is NO BATTLE that cannot be overcome. PRAYER is a vital link Heidi, and I believe that you are on the path to teaching others of a HIGHER WAY in which to deal with issues of depression. I'm excited about what you've shared with us.
Your 7th Item ~ 7. Lowering my expectations for myself. I used to expect my house to be perfectly clean all the time. Now, I am finally realizing that with 3 preschoolers there are just some things that I have to let go of. I tend to be a perfectionist and the stress this has caused has finally sent me over the edge. So, I am learning to release it and not care what the world expects of me. I am learning to retrain my mind that beauty isn't solely an outward pursuit. But that it is something that happens from the inside out. I am no longer trying to "perform" so that people will like me. Take me or leave me, I don't care. God created me, He loves me, and said that His creation was "good". That is the only opinion I need.
BEAUTY emanating from the inside out ~ not trying to "perform" so that people will like you ~ and KNOWING that GOD created you -- He loves you -- and that He has said that His creation is ""good" is truly enough.
KNOWING THYSELF is ALL YOU NEED to better yourself.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for your contribution to this discussion Heidi. I am keeping you in my prayers, and I will leave your last paragraph here, because it is very meaningful and helpful to those coming into this discussion . . .
"Every day can be a battle, but I am confident that as I fight this it not only gives me compassion for those around me that are dealing with similar things, but also that it in general just makes me a stronger person. It has made me appreciate my kids more, take time to hear the laughter when previously I would clean all day. I find myself stopping to enjoy life more. The depression is still there, but by God, I am going to kick it one of these days!" ~ Heidi Cole
TODAY is as good a day as any Heidi!
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present?
Know you are not alone and the only one that really matters is yourself. ~ Renee
WE will be discussing what you have mentioned in answer to the first question . . .
1) Are you depressed at this time?
That is hard one for me. I am diagnosed with Chronic Depression, along with PTSD, panic disorder, personality disorder. ~ Renee
You will find comments relating to Chronic Depression here on this thread already (above), and there will be more on this to follow here in this discussion.
We will also be discusing the topic of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), Panic Disorder, and Personality Disorder ~ as WE have discussed all of these conditions in the past here in the Group. Each of these conditions will be discussed further here in this Discussion in separate comment boxes. Feel free to jump in.
As you know, we have FEATURED ARTICLES here in Artistic Therapy on the issue of ABUSE -- particularly DOMESTIC ABUSE -- which can and does cause DEPRESSION.
I'm am bringing your comments down here on the topic of ABUSE ~ which we will be discussing further here in this discussion . . .
"I as well write about my abuse, other's abuse, write poetry. But most of the the foundation has been my best counseling. I think everyone has their own special way of dealing with things it is just them finding the best way for them." ~ Renee
MORE TO FOLLOW Renee ~ feel free to add more and jump right in! Thank you for contributing to this discussion. I know that you have MUCH that you can share with us all.
I feel happier and more productive.
Try to start the day with a song - you don't need to sing, but think it. "You've got to get up every morning with a smile on your face and show the world all the love in your heart"
is a very good one, but any song will help. Look in the mirror and smile at yourself. These techniques won't cure clinical depression, but they will help you feel better.
I have to tell a sweet story just real quick... About a month ago we had the most beautiful gorgeous day. It was about 75 degrees out and the most beautiful spring weather. My 5 year old came in the living room. I was laying on the couch completely overwhelmed by my life and was just laying there. He says, "Mom, it is such a beautiful day outside. Beautiful enough for us to go outside?" He was so sweet and tender in his approach to me, but for some reason I was having one of those days where the thought of being in the sunlight just made me want to run toward the darkness. I started crying because what kind of mom denies her children a walk to the park or a picnic outside on a beautiful day? Cade looked at my tears and said, "That's okay mommy. It's a beautiful day for snuggling on the couch too." And he climbed up next to me and embraced me in a full-contact body snuggle. We laid there and watched TV together and through him, God loved on me. My kids are gifts straight from the hand of God!
Hey Carol! ~ I'm glad you added your input. WE have many articles in this Group about the topics that you have mentioned ~ some of which I think that you contributed a great deal of information on. We'll have to RE-FEATURE some of them. I'm bringing your input down here . . .
"Rene, I was going to say what you just said. When you lose a loved one, you can have long term depression, sometimes never getting over the depression. Personally, I have PTSD and depression and I work on it every day. It is a battle that is tough to beat but we all must find what works for us. We are all different. I have, and am still trying many things, meds, therapy, EMDR, photography, writing. It is a roller coaster of emotions. Easily treatable for some, not so easy for others." ~ Carol P.
I agree with you Carol that losing a loved one ~ especially in your case (keeping in mind what you've gone through), it is often LONG~TERM DEPRESSION. It is as you have said, it is a battle that is sometimes tough in relation to DEEP LONG~LASTING DEPRESSION and PTSD, but, like you've said, we are all different, and we must find what works BEST for us.
You got us started on learning more about EMDR, and I'll definitely re-post that DISCUSSION. It was fascinating, and I'd personally like to hear more from you on this technique.
You may also want to tell us more about how meds, therapy, photography and writing are working for you. The Therapy Sessions that you shared with us before were very interesting. I'm looking forward to more of your input on this topic of depression. You can offer a lot of insight to the participants of this discussion. I know that many of us learned a lot from you thus far.
Thank you so much for contributing, and hurry back to add more!
HUGS ~
Your Friend,
Rene
"I think everyone has suffered from depression at one time or another, even when they weren't aware of it. Some will say isolation is a form of depression. I don't agree with that. I find soul searching helps me. Going off into solitude to get in touch with the inner me. I also find writing (songs, stories, poetry) and crafts to be therapeutic. I'm not one to surround myself with alot of people as far as friends. I've always enjoyed the elderly, children and animals and enjoy volunteering my time with society. I also don't believe in medication. I believe in balancing the brain. And again, that goes into going inside yourself (balancing spirit)." ~ Cassandra A.
I like what you had to say about isolation. It is TRUE that some find that isolation is HEALING and THERAPEUTIC. It depends on the personality. I know I do at times. One is able to become C L E A R about their life ~ where they are, and where they are headed without being bogged down by unnecessary chatter and clamor. This is especially true for people who are constantly bombarded by people in their jobs or homes. ISOLATION for them will be found to be a relief.
Those who are "people" oriented will not find ISOLATION to be comforting. It will be very uncomfortable to them. I am a people person ~ yet I can balance between the two -- and MUST for my soul's sake -- so I do know what you mean.
I'm going to the next comment box to finish responding to your comments . . .
Trauma is also most aften caused by fear whether you use rape, abuse, death or even grief as an example and this where self doubt rears it's head and is generally the root cause of depression. Of course a chemical imbalance in ones system can be a contributing factor although this can be resolved by natural nutritional intake (no processed foods or syntheticly produced by products). I realize that this might present a problem for some people but my answer has always been "what's more important your health or the garbage you eat", sorry if this sounds offensive to some people. One thing I do not recomend is syntheticly produced medication which always creates a chemical imbalance in ones system unless there is an immediate life threatening situation where there is no choice. There are so many natural remedies to choose from if you do the research.
When someone has experienced trauma there is usually very little you can do for them besides providing comfort, the illusion of security because absolute security does not exist, be a concerned listener without criticism or advise as the situation dictates and above all stay with them as a caring friend allowing them to exorcise as much control over their environment as they can handle. Never try to take over their lives because this will not help anyone recover from trauma and always encourage regardless of any negative responses.
Blaming self for something - When you analyze someones depression to the root cause other than a chemical imbalance you will usually find fear of some kind and fear equates to self doubt in one context or another. Hope this clarifies my previous post.
Spiritually Speaking ~ To be centered and grounded requires introspection. While it is true that one can be introspective in a crowd of people with loud noise, it is oftentimes more beneficial to attain an introspective state in silence. But again, that is always based on the person. It is possible to go into a state of enlightenment in the midst of thousands of people (in a church setting for example) and totally go to another place with no concept of what is going on around you. It is also possible to reach a state of transfiguration.
In the past, we have had discussions in this Group about out~of~body experiences. We'll have to touch on that topic once again. NDEs ~ Near Death Experiences are another form of "change". In that once one has gone through this experience, one should have a altering expression of "self". One should be transformed. Some who have been in deep depressive states have experienced this. It is a WAKE UP CALL. Many who have been suicidal or who have taken LIFE for granted go through this...
LIFE is a "gift". It is to be lived, loved, and experienced to the FULLEST -- It is WHY WE are ALL HERE. The CHALLENGES in life that we face are to be overcome. They can be overcome, and we should understand that there is nothing that is impossible to us -- NOTHING.
If WE seek HAPPINESS, we will find it.
Going to the next box Cassandra . . .
You've also mentioned, "I'm not one to surround myself with alot of people as far as friends. I've always enjoyed the elderly, children and animals and enjoy volunteering my time with society." ~ Cassandra A.
Admirable, and also a source of JOY.
When you say, "I also don't believe in medication. I believe in balancing the brain. And again, that goes into going inside yourself (balancing spirit)." ~ Cassandra A.
I truly want to KNOW how you go about balancing the brain -- it sounds rather complicated ~ L O L ~ but now, seriously, I really want to KNOW.
Waiting patiently for your return . . .
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed?
No. Well, if they are I'm not aware of it.
Your response it KEY. There are many people who are unaware of those around them who may be depressed. Suicides are usually unexpected, only because the people closest to the person do not have a clue about the depressive state that the person may be in. How deep the depression is . . . they may just think they are "sad" or "unhappy" about something that they will eventually get over -- maybe ~ and maybe not. I'm sure there are members in here who can testify to people who have committed suicide that they know, but never had a clue that there was a problem inside of them. I know I can testify to a couple of cases like that.
WE will be talking more in this discussion about the SYMPTOMS of DEPRESSION, and how to deal with it effectively.
I'm going to the next comment box to bring down your ADVICE Jen . . .
HUGS ~
Rene
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present?
Seek out help from friends or health professionals. Confide in someone and hopefully it will all work it's way out.
Writing is a really good way to get things out if you don't feel comfortable talking to others or don't have anyone to talk out. If you don't want to keep the pages you write, fine don't keep them. You can throw them away or burn them after if you want to. ~ Jennifer N.
GREAT ADVICE Jen -- but I would never throw away or burn my writings ~ L O L. Although I have heard that it is therapeutic to do so if the writings are full of anger, resentment, hate, hostility, etc. I still think good use can be made out of anything that comes out of the soul through the pen to the paper. Just my thoughts. Thanks so much for such good advice. Feel free to add more!
Anyways if you are having a real issue find the right medicine ask them about the effexor. I have been on it a little over 3 years now. Increased a few times but has worked wonderful.
What I meant by that was that it's very difficult to tell for me because all my friends and family are not where I am. They are in other states and quite a ways away. So my communication is limited to online or by phone and it's not always easy to tell via those methods.
As for the burning writing. I've never done that either, but like you I've heard it's therapeutic. I'm not quite sure that I'd burn or throw away anything I wrote either. :)
One day, when I really was about ready to go on some kind of medication, I found an article that explained how Lithium works: in simple terms, it takes away the "high" and that helps you avoid the "low."
Well, what an eye-opener that was. To my thinking, the highs had always been the reward for enduring the lows. Suddenly I realized the lows were the result of living the highs. And I understood that the place to get off was on the upswing, not as I was going down (which had never worked, no matter how desperately I tried...)
I determined to beat this w/o medication, by denying myself the highs. How did I do that? I simply chose (and still do so) to go to bed early, get lots of rest and tell myself sternly that it isn't worth it. It was a process - took a couple of years - but from peaks and valleys I have graduated to wavy lines. Do I miss the highs? OF COURSE! Do I miss them enough to go back to enduring the lows? Am I nuts or something? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
Oh, and a very high dosage B-Complex really supports this (at least B-100).
Therefore I love "It's the truth, it's actual, everything is satisfactual!"
I prefer alternative treatments and of course, they may not work for everyone. Those treatments include, but aren't limited to things like: music therapy (which works wonders), meditation, natural remedies (st. johns wort, etc), etc, etc. There are so many things that have worked for this "illness"...such as pet therapy (I have personally seen this work wonders in long term care facilities).
Of course, I think one of the most important thing is to find the reason(s) causing the depression. This is when writing is a big aspect. At one point (several, several years ago), I was in a "funk" and was encouraged to write (journal) my feelings, etc which led me to realizing what was causing me to be in the "funk". I was then able to remove the cause from my life....which resulted in a better me (without the "funk").
"evolutionary use for the symptoms of depression based on beings being in situations in which they are highly stressed over long periods because of predators or other dangers against which fighting or fleeing would be bad strategy. In these circumstances, the creature might be best served by a strategy of laying low and being unobserved. However, this strategy would mean vast dampening of behavior, of regular life-maintaining activity, and perhaps intense emotional pressures as well. In order to accommodate this needed change in lifestyle, the neurosystem might develop a means to dampen desire, increase lethargy, generally depress the physio-emotional system to facilitate. Thus, the creature might remain in this not quite paralyzed with fear, but certainly slowed and yet in some sense heightened in awareness state for quite some time." ~ Libramoon
HOW PROFOUND! and . . . HOW TRUE! Your ending line above is so on point. It brings to our AWARENESS just how many are walking in this state right now.
Going back to read more, and come back with more thoughts!
"there are things that depress me
and i always experience depression to a certain level
it just depends
i'm listening to dark music right now
and the sky is grey
those factors may influence it a bit
i have extreme social phobias and anxiety
which do enhance it
i don't take meds
i have xanax
but because i'm so thin
one pill fucks me up for days
ever how small i break 'em
so why bother
i do know the syptoms
the warning signs too
i try to avoid that which depresses me most
(it's usually people)
though my childhood sucked
and those memories swim back to me time and again
when that happens
i disassociate from everything
but then if screws me with the same reurring nightmare i've always had
(the man inside my eye)
then it triggers my next issue
and that it anorexia
that one sucks worst of all
the only thing i've ever found to help is writing
to face the demons
painting them doesn't exorcize them
talking about it (with my therapist) doesn't either
compex wood working projects only provide temporay distraction
sorries
i didn't mean to ramble on and on
~Sparrow Boy
Sparrow Boy ~ First, thank you for adding to this DISCUSSION on DEPRESSION, and second, I want to ask you why you listen to dark music knowing its effects on you?
Also, XANAX is not a drug to be taken long~term. I would suggest that you wean yourself from the use of XANAX, and seek therapy to get to the root of what causes your depression. Some of the ways to help you in the area of depression are listed above in response to this discussion.
Going to the next comment box to continue responding to you . . .
i DON'T take it at all
i have a therapist
i know what the roots are
i can't change them
i'm not actually depressed
i have anxiety
i like dark music
because it comes from the soul
you needn't lecture me
if i were depressed it's because i've near perfect memory
i remember everything i see and hear
(unless i'm wasted or sleep dreaming)
then
not so much
thank dog for small miracles
EXTREME Social Phobias and ANXIETY. It may help if you share with us how EXTREME Social Phobias and ANXIETY effect you personally. How do you dead with these two conditions? Your sharing will help others reading along with us.
You've mentioned that . . . "i try to avoid that which depresses me most (it's usually people)" . . .
AND, you've also mentioned that the TRIGGER is MEMORIES of your childhood.
Sparrow Boy ~ Have you sought THERAPY to assist you with the issues that you have described?
I'll await your return to respond further before I add more to the response to your comment.
HUGS ~
Your Friend,
Rene
I really hope that you tell us more about these "gifts" you have.
i'd really rather do this in private
or not at all
most of my posts are in private groups for example
because i don't want the whole world knowing me
they had their chance
and blew it
and
it's interesting you should call them gifts
it tells me
that you're not plagued with them
to forget would be a luxury
but i WILL NOT speak of it pubicly
and am thinking of deleting my comment
but it does little good
because you copied and pasted it
thats hardly fair
remind me not to comment on sensitive stuff anymore
i feel all exposed
here's a example though
yesterday i had therapy
but it was cinco de mayo
which meant that i'd have to go down town through the crowd
to get to it
so i canceled
and
all my friends
(save one)
on the internet
are at a safe distance of at least 2000 miles
i guess there's no reason to remind me
as i won't forget anyway
:)
"I've struggled with depression for most of my life. I've learned that my best weapon is to get up out of bed as soon as I wake up. Sounds silly unless you've been so depressed that you want to hide out and sleep through it, but truly, it can change your whole day. I feel happier and more productive.
Try to start the day with a song - you don't need to sing, but think it. "You've got to get up every morning with a smile on your face and show the world all the love in your heart" is a very good one, but any song will help. Look in the mirror and smile at yourself. These techniques won't cure clinical depression, but they will help you feel better." ~ Jan S.
Very good advice Jan ~ smiling broadly ~ you've made me want to SING!
HUGS ~
Your Friend,
Rene
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed? yes
3) Do you know the symptoms of DEPRESSION? yup, sure do. I work with clients everyday that deal with depression
4) Do you know how to deal with DEPRESSION effectively? I've never had to deal with it personally
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present? no advice really. Just try to keep your chin up and take it day by day
I want you to know, Heidi, that another friend of mine echoed the words that you have written about God above, -- and the wonder at how people can make it through anything without a spiritual component.
Your children are also such a wonderful blessing and asset to your well-being. The friend I just mentioned had taken a long 2-mile walk with her daughter, and she mentioned how the walk had really done wonders for her spirit! . . .
Sometimes, it is the little things that MEAN SO MUCH.
Thank you Heidi for all of the added input you've shared with us. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'm leaving your healing words here . . .
"I honestly don't know how other people make it through depression without a spiritual component. Without God I honestly would not still be here! And, the wonderful kids he gave me --- they are some of the best therapy ever!" ~ Heidi Cole
HUGS ~ And may God never take His hand off of you and your family Heidi ~
Your Friend,
Rene
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed? Yes, I do.
3) Do you know the symptoms of DEPRESSION? Yes, I do. Not all symptoms are mood-related. There is often back/joint pain, headache, stomach ache; Sleeping too much or insomnia
4) Do you know how to deal with DEPRESSION effectively? I think people have different needs to fill the void left by depression, so coping skills are individualized. Exercise (getting those endorphines kicking in) works great, if you can motivate yourself and don't have the physical pain. Faith. God's immeasurable love and mercy.
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present? Don't be afraid or ashamed to talk to your Doctor about being depressed. You can't self-correct a chemical imbalance, or hope to one day just snap out of the darkness.
OKAY, SERIOUSLY, I am LISTENING to what you have said about XANAX. As to your IMPORTANT WARNING that no one should discontinue or make changes to prescribed medication without consulting his/her doctor first. It can be dangerous regardless of which medication it is.
I am not a Doctor, and do not profess to be one. However, XANAX is not for long~term use. Any Doctor will tell you this. I also believe that the patient KNOWS how a drug makes them feel -- whether it is GOOD for them, or not ~ whether it is HELPFUL or HARMFUL.
Have you ever taken XANAX Jan? I have, and what was said above about it is just one reaction to it. There are many reasons that this drug is prescribed...
Everyone is different as to their reactions to certain drugs. Keeping this in mind Jan ~ I personally do not take a Doctor's word as the Gospel.
Going to the next comment box to respond further . . .
"I would like to add my agreement that God's constant all-encompassing love is what keeps me going, too. How anyone can turn away from that much love is beyond comprehension." ~ Jan S.
GOD is also the BEST DOCTOR around Jan. He KNOWS about every drug made.
Does CHEMOTHERAPY really CURE CANCER? If a patient decided to stop taking it would they die? If a patient decided to continue taking it because the Doctor says so ~ would they live?
Something to THINK ON.
HUGS ~
Rene
I'm probably going to try Zoloft again after Brad is born. I had been on it from 2000 till 2005, till it just quit working, so we'll try it again now. If not, i'll try something else, for depression and PTSD and PMDD, to go along with my Bipolar meds. But its not all meds, there's coping skills to go along with the meds, which is why its called a treatment and not a cure. :)
Its not easy having chemical imbalances that need help being balanced with meds, but a lot of people dont understand and think its ALL in the mind. I do belive some of it is in the mind, but you cant help a chemical imbalance without some help.
My caseworker said it was good I had a 24 hr online support system that rewards :)
"think its ALL in the mind"
people don't seem to understand that it is not "New Age nonsense" -- there is a very real body/mind intertwining. Behaviors which we tend to think of as mind based are correlated directly with physical changes in the body. Forces physically affecting the body are interpreted and acted upon by the mind. It is not either/or or even cause/effect but both together every step of the way.
2) Do you know others (friends, co-workers, family members) who are depressed? Not really, because I don't go out much.
3) Do you know the symptoms of DEPRESSION? Loneliness, feelings of isolation, loss of sleep, appetite, and a few others I can't recall right now.
4) Do you know how to deal with DEPRESSION effectively? The only way I know how.
By trying to focus on other things. Such as writing. My kids. My hubby. Music really soothes me when I'm feeling down. By just focusing on the good stuff in life.
5) Do you have any advice for those who may be depressed from your experiences past or present? Do try to seek help whenever possible.
Whether it be through therapy, friends, having outlets for creativity such as reading, writing, sculpting, painting.. whatever gets you through the day.
And, if you need to, get some medication. Don't be too proud to take medicine if it's what the doctor prescribes.
Just don't suffer in silence and don't give up. No matter how bad you feel.
Richard ~ I'm bringing a part of your comment down here to respond to, and will probably carry on for a few comment boxes in response to what you have said . . .
"Rene, You mentioned as an example being confined in a locked room with someone you don't like and that anger would be your probable response (maybe) and that self doubt does not apply here in this instance. I have to disagree with your absolute assessment in this instance because circumstances will change dramatically the longer you are confined and ones emotional extremes come into play. Have you ever noticed that when anger is exhausted emotions such as anxiety, fear and doubt begins to ferment? Consider for one moment that prayer is usually a response to fear of one kind or another." ~ Richard Regener
Richard ~ Let's start with the last part of this portion of your comment. What I put in BOLD...
When ANGER is exhausted, you've mentioned that emotions such as anxiety, fear and doubt begins to ferment . . . Is that an ABSOLUTE ASSESSMENT Richard?
What about the fermenting of UNDERSTANDING, compassion, ENLIGHTENMENT, love, FORGIVENESS? -- do any of these attributes come into play in your ASSESSMENT Richard?
There is also the EXTREME of MORE ANGER.
WHY would ANXIETY, FEAR and DOUBT ferment after exhausting anger?
"Consider for one moment that prayer is usually a response to fear of one kind or another." ~ Richard Regener
Okay Richard, I'm considering what you've said. My assessment . . .
PRAYER is usually an ACTION not a response.
A person will PRAY as an ACT.
The ACT results in a RESPONSE.
The RESPONSE is anticipated and EXPECTED from GOD.
"Fear" is not of GOD Richard, so "fear" would not come into play during PRAYER.
Maybe you might want to explain how you came to this position... Can't wait till you come back!
You said: "Does CHEMOTHERAPY really CURE CANCER? If a patient decided to stop taking it would they die? If a patient decided to continue taking it because the Doctor says so ~ would they live?"
We know there is no cure for cancer. Sometimes treatment works and sometimes it kills the patient. The choice of treatment for cancer should be made by the patient with full information about the consequences. Oncologists can only make a prognosis and each patient's condition is different. Depression and cancer are entirely different.
Xanax is usually an anti-anxiety drug. It's also used in combination with antidepressants.
As you've said, we know whether or not the drug is working well. I've taken Xanax. It works for me. Withdrawl from Xanax can be very dangerous if a patient doesn't wean off exactly according to the doctor's instructions.
I think with psychotropic medications, if we don't have confidence in our doctors and take their advice, we should find one we do trust. I've had two doctors. The first was incompetent and greedy. When I switched, the difference was noticeable immediately. I felt confident and he did not disappoint me.
As to the after effects of anger there are many emotions that come into play and the two primary ones are fear and guilt regardless of their roots in most cases. You are of course correct in suggesting that there are always exceptions to this because everyone of us is different and ruled by altering emotions. UNDERSTANDING, compassion, ENLIGHTENMENT, love, FORGIVENESS ect.. do come into play at some point but these usually don't manifest immediately after an angry rage.
WHY would ANXIETY, FEAR and DOUBT ferment after exhausting anger? This usually occurs because sometimes there is guilt associated with the loss of control. Where our emotions are concerned there are no absolutes. Every case is different.
A person will PRAY as an ACT. The ACT results in a RESPONSE. The RESPONSE is anticipated and EXPECTED from GOD. René Allen
People's prayer are an action, correct. The second and third part presupposes a response from god, which will not occur without prior or futher action by the supplicant. I'm sorry but to me prayer is nothing more then a wish list, something to be hoped for. I suppose passing on your troubles or asking for help from another authority is a way of doing something to relieve ones stress for a brief moment in time.
On the other hand if you were to suggest that someone performs a ritual incantion by directing ones energy towards a specific solution then I'd have to agree with this methodology. Why? The answer is you can manipulate living energy, although this energy must be directed very specficly to achieve the results you want.
"Trauma is also most often caused by fear whether you use rape, abuse, death or even grief as an example and this is where self doubt rears its head and is generally the root cause of depression. Of course a chemical imbalance in ones system can be a contributing factor although this can be resolved by natural nutritional intake (no processed foods or synthetically produced by products). I realize that this might present a problem for some people but my answer has always been "what's more important your health or the garbage you eat", sorry if this sounds offensive to some people. One thing I do not recommend is synthetically produced medication which always creates a chemical imbalance in ones system unless there is an immediate life threatening situation where there is no choice. There are so many natural remedies to choose from if you do the research." ~ Richard Regener
Richard, ~ I've put in [BOLD] some of the important points that you've mentioned:
1) TRAUMA caused by "fear";
2) "Self Doubt" in relation to being the root cause of depression;
3) Chemical Imbalance in ones system being corrected by natural nutritional intake;
4) Synthetically produced medication which always creates a chemical imbalance in ones system; and . . .
5) NATURAL REMEDIES.
Hopefully, others will add more input about the topics that you brought up Richard in relation to the issue of DEPRESSION.
I'm going back up to grab the last part of what you said . . .
Psychological Trauma is a type of damage to the psyche that occurs as a result of a traumatic event. When that trauma leads to post traumatic stress disorder, damage may involve physical changes inside the brain and to brain chemistry, which affect the person's ability to cope with stress.
A traumatic event involves a single experience, or an enduring or repeating event or events, that completely overwhelm the individual's ability to cope or integrate the ideas and emotions involved with that experience. The sense of being overwhelmed can be delayed by weeks or years, as the person struggles to cope with the immediate danger. Trauma can be caused by a wide variety of events, but there are a few common aspects. There is frequently a violation of the person's familiar ideas about the world and of their human rights, putting the person in a state of extreme confusion and insecurity. This is also seen when people or institutions depended on for survival violate or betray the person in some unforeseen way.
Psychological Trauma may accompany physical trauma or exist independently of it. Typical causes of psychological trauma are sexual abuse, violence, the threat of either, or the witnessing of either, particularly in childhood. Catastrophic events such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, war or other mass violence can also cause psychological trauma. Long-term exposure to situations such as extreme poverty or milder forms of abuse, such as verbal abuse, can be traumatic (though verbal abuse can also potentially be traumatic as a single event).
However, different people will react differently to similar events. One person may experience an event as traumatic while another person would not suffer trauma as a result of the same event. In other words, not all people who experience a potentially traumatic event will actually become psychologically traumatized.
[FROM WKIPEDIA ~ For GROUP DISCUSSION]
I'm going back and forth in response to some of the comments on this thread ~ and all participants in this DISCUSSION on DEPRESSION are free to jump in and add their comments, input and thoughts at any time!
"When someone has experienced trauma there is usually very little you can do for them besides providing comfort, the illusion of security because absolute security does not exist, be a concerned listener without criticism or advise as the situation dictates and above all stay with them as a caring friend allowing them to exorcise as much control over their environment as they can handle. Never try to take over their lives because this will not help anyone recover from trauma and always encourage regardless of any negative responses.
Blaming self for something - When you analyze someones depression to the root cause other than a chemical imbalance you will usually find fear of some kind and fear equates to self doubt in one context or another. Hope this clarifies my previous post." ~ Richard Regener
Richard ~ I'm coming back to this in relation to the issues that you've brought up about DEPRESSION, "self-doubt", "fear", and "TRAUMA".
I'm sure that others coming into this discussion have different views on what you've stated.
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"i have severe depression from life.......depression from brain damage.......i am bi polar.......anxiety...medication does not touch the brain damage depression.....this has been for so many years........ i do what i call......go into myself..... i also spend a lot of time in my safe place...... my room, my bed....... right now i am cacooning....." ~ Solskin Iam
Solskin ~ I am sorry to hear about the depression you are having with regard to brain damage. I hope that you can share with us a little more about how the brain damage happened. There may be others here who are dealing with an issue of this nature either with "self" or a family member.
You've mentioned several important topics . . .
1) Severe Depression from LIFE . . .
This is UNIQUE Solskin because of your wording. Can you share with us what in your LIFE you believe is causing the depression? The issue of the brain damage is something that I'd personally like to hear more about ~ as I think this may be a major part of what is bringing on the severe depression that you speak of. It is not rare in and of itself, but it is rarely discussed ~ please share with us your experience and thoughts on this.
2) Bi~Polar and ANXIETY . . .
WE have discussed both of these conditions here in our Gather Group in the past, and I will bring them back to the forefront of the Group for further discussion.
3) Cacooning . . .
I'd like to hear from you if you believe that cacooning for you is HELPFUL or HARMFUL or otherwise. If you don't mind sharing.
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