by Mooch -.
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September 27, 2008

People want to judge Obama for not being a Christian? What about your judgement of Bush?

April 28, 2009 01:53 PM EDT
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I'm stepping out on a huge twig here, and I KNOW i will take a beating for what I am about to say but I'm going to say it anyway.

What I love is how people like to throw religion up at Obama, while I question some of what he does from MY own moral aspect, from my OWN personal religious beliefs, I do wonder if he still believes his Muslim and Islam roots, and how he sat under Rev Wright for so long, that's besides the point, his relationship with God or lack of relationship is His business........

But what gets me is how so many people overlook what Bush did publicly!  His final week of office he renounced every single one of his religious beliefs and what he played on to get the vote of the Conservative Christian!  I listened to his speech, and I can't find a transcript , but it was played on the radio, over and over again.  And it went against what he said that he believed in over  his 2 terms as presidency.

If you really want to judge someone, judge someone who claimed to be a Christian and then turned on his faith and on God, and on the people that voted for him!

Think about it, he made these statements publicly, and I would love it if someone could help me find a link or a transcript to back this up......my head is pounding and my searching is just not going well, but I  have discussed this very issue.....

While I am angered at some things Obama have done as president regarding abortion and other sensitive and hot topic issues, its not about his beliefs as much as it goes against what I believe.

So when you want to judge Obama about being or not being something, how about judging Bush on what he said publicly.

Nothing irks me more than people who come across holier than thou, and don't look at the whole issue with past presidents and leaders.

Mooch

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Comments: 19

Nora Davenport Apr 28, 2009, 1:56pm EDT
I've just pretty much "tuned out" anything and everything political anymore.
Mooch -. Apr 28, 2009, 1:59pm EDT
Nora, I'm not far behind, I'm getting sick of it all....I read a news article about someone who gave no reference to political experience today who wrote a slam book pretty much attacking democrats and liberals and supporting waterboarding........... as long as a video was running.
Mooch
Desiree T. Apr 28, 2009, 2:15pm EDT
OMG Mooch you're scaring me LOL. I am frankly tired of the judgments on anyone.
Mooch -. Apr 28, 2009, 2:20pm EDT
I probably wouldn't have said anything but it seems that people have judged Obama on his morals or how they view his lack of morals and attack him from a religious standpoint, however, the won't critique or say something about someone who more or less denounces his faith publicly?
Christopher B. Apr 28, 2009, 2:23pm EDT
I’m a little confused here. First is the question of judging Obama. I judge him for his consistent anti-life stand (supporting abortion on the one side of life’s spectrum and limiting health care options for the elderly on the other end of life’s spectrum) and his appointment of extremely anti-Catholic bigots and hate mongers to important positions within his administration. (His selection of the ambassador to Vatican City was a disgrace, an insult, and a slap on the face of all Roman Catholics in the United States, if not the entire world!)

As to his personal religious beliefs, I really do not care. If they are not in sync with his actions, that’s his problem, not mine. I care about actions.
Candy S. Apr 28, 2009, 2:33pm EDT
I would really like to see for myself what you are talking about. If you can find this please let us know.
I dont like Obama. I do like Bush. It is not because I am republican. It is there beliefs.
Sandy and John J. Apr 28, 2009, 2:35pm EDT
i voted for this man but am really having serious second thoughts and concerns about most everything he has and is doing. Im almost ready to say i should have listened to my wife. lol. but time will tell. Our home is not a politically joined one.
Kimberly L. Apr 28, 2009, 2:41pm EDT
I never heard Bush recant what he believes in. I think you misunderstood that. I know people who know President Bush, including my sister, and what you are saying is contradictory to other people who know him so I don't buy that one. The reason I questioned Obama's Christianity claims is because he spoke out about it so much when he was running for office but the minute he got into office, everything he's done is in contradiction to Christian beliefs. I was expecting that because there was too much evidence while he was running and before that which indicated that he was using Christianity to attempt to get Christians to vote for him.
Richard B. Apr 28, 2009, 2:57pm EDT
it matters not and is past
Renee S. Apr 28, 2009, 6:19pm EDT
Very well said Richard B.!
Mooch -. Apr 28, 2009, 6:47pm EDT
Maybe it is past Richard, but even so to those who are judging Obama and think Bush is such a saint, they need to think again.

Mooch
Mooch -. Apr 28, 2009, 6:51pm EDT
Kimberly I really don't care, I have heard it, he got really vague in speeches he gave, that I heard on the radio and I will NEVER EVER vote because of a politicians 'said' political beliefs, again.

I would rather not vote at all, than vote for the lesser of 2 evils, or I will write in a candidate.

I'm not going to judge Obama as a person, such as you have.......I may not like him, but you are trying to play God here. and if I could find transcripts to back up what I heard here, because even religious people weighed in on what he said saying that he basically frauded teh voters on his beliefs......

You can think what you want of Bush, I KNOW what I heard.
Mooch
Renita P. Apr 28, 2009, 7:10pm EDT
I never heard that speech from Bush so if you find a link to a transcript, please let me know. But, at least Bush did what was more in line with conservative beliefs. He didn't just make it a free-for-all with liberal actions that are taking us WAY TOO FAR in the WRONG direction. I don't follow politics all that closely, but everything I read about Obama seems to be making bigger government, giving gov't more controls, and that can only hurt us big-time in the long run.
Mooch -. Apr 28, 2009, 7:20pm EDT
I agree with the bigger government, giving government more control, etc etc etc is only going to hurt the US in the long run, but that doesn't play into judging him and his religion.

I'm reading about bush and his beliefs, and I have seen several sights that have said this:

>This is way too much power to give to anyone, and George W. Bush has the arrogance that comes with such power. "I do not need to explain why I say things," he told Woodward. "That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
When his crusade goes terribly wrong, as it is likely to do, Bush will owe a lot of people an explanation. Meanwhile, we must do whatever we can, nonviolently, to oppose this military messianism.<<br>
Obama is just continuing in his own way what Bush continued to strive for that was started so long ago.......dictatorship.(myopinion)
Mooch
Jessie W. Apr 28, 2009, 10:56pm EDT
I find it interesting that Kimberly doesn't like Obama because she sees everything he has done as contradictory to the Christian beliefs he said he holds, but doesn't judge Bush the same way when he literally started out his presidency saying God chose him to be President, and yet he's all for torture, killing children in Iraq, etc., etc., etc.

I also disagree that Bush is going to have to answer to any of us. When you start out saying "I come in God's name" you have only one entity to answer to.
Mooch -. Apr 28, 2009, 11:55pm EDT
Jessie,
That's exactly my point. So many people, Christians, are judging Obama for what he is and isn't doing, but they fail to judge Bush as harshly, just because he 'said' he is a Christian.
While he may think he doesn't have to answer to us, he WILL have to answer to God.
Mooch -. Apr 29, 2009, 11:34am EDT
Rita,
I've been asking that myself, and I am considering a doozer of a post that would cause up a stir, and probably have people question my political stance and my 'general' support of the republican party.

Would a Christian knowingly support waterboarding? I could see it being tried, but to do it numerous times on a person, 75+ times, come on that's a little stretch and who knows if these people lied to make the torture stop, it wouldn't surprise me.

Here is just ONE link of many questioning Bush and his beliefs, there are many that support but this is just one of many that I have found.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1463.cfm
Mooch
Christopher B. Apr 29, 2009, 4:13pm EDT
Yes I think a “Christian” can knowingly support waterboarding; applying the principles of the just war theory under the assumption that this is the best and fastest way to get information from a person who claims he knows information involving the deaths of many and refuses (even brags) about him not revealing that information. That’s the problem liberals have, once they start killing babies left and right they get the notion that it’s ok to let innocent people die in order to keep your principles clean. It is never ok to allow innocents to die! Never!
Mooch -. Apr 30, 2009, 3:04am EDT
Christopher, and 80 some odd times of 'waterboarding' is fast? Sorry but I don't agree with the concept of torture, just because it gets done to our soldiers and has been done in the past with every war doesn't make it right.

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