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by Dale C.
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March 7, 2007

High Tension Writing Workshop - Wombats CCLXXV

April 21, 2009 04:00 PM EDT
views: 723 | rating: 10/10 (7 votes) | comments: 306

This past weekend I went to the three and a half day  High Tension Writing Workshop by Donald Maass, a literary agent and author of Writing The Breakout Novel. I'm still kind of processing the information.   I would highly recommend the workshop.  Donald Maass is a natural educator--good speaker, well organized and funny.  He also has thirty years of experience in the publishing industry and understands it thoroughly.

The basic message of the workshop is that the current marketplace is super competitive and full of short attention spans.  Writers have to adapt to a world where a large part of the population is ADHD. They have to adapt to a world where their book is competing for reader attention with TV, video games, the Internet, and a gazillion other books.

In that environment, reader attention is a precious commodity that you should never take for granted.   it isn't enough to have a good plot and interesting characters. You have to keep the reader wanting to read--compelled to read the next paragraph.  As a new writer you can't afford flabby paragraphs. You can't afford pages that contribute plot points but aren't interesting in and of themselves--something I'm often guilty of.  You have to earn the reader's continued attention every paragraph. This is a market where if the reader's attention wanders you may never get it back.  If a reader gets bored and puts your book down, then  wanders off to read their e-mail they may never pick it up again.

This is also a market where the only contact a reader may have with your book may very well be taking it off a bookstore shelf, glancing at the back cover, then opening it at some random page and reading a paragraph.  If that random paragraph of a random page doesn't hook the reader, your book goes back on the self and that reader may never look at another word you've written.  Unfair?  Not really.  Readers are under no obligation to try to read enough to understand your plot.  They're looking for something that will entertain them.  If the random paragraph doesn't say 'this is worth my time', they are under no obligation to read on.

In the current marketplace, every paragraph may have to act as a hook, and as much as possible it needs to be able to function that way.  That is not a simple job, especially when that paragraph also has to advance the plot.

So how on earth do you do that?

Oddly, most of the obvious ways to hold a reader's attention don't work well anymore. A fist fight? Been done a gazillion times. It's likely to be skimmable. Flabby. A gun fight? Same thing. Sex scene? Same thing.  It won't hold most readers' attention. The big emotions have been done so often that readers are numb to them too. Fear? Hatred? Often skimmable.  Won't necessarily hold a reader's attention.

As writers we stand on the shoulders of giants. And they've written most of the good lines, most of the good plots. They've used most of the good emotions and description. And they've been followed by a horde of imitators who have made most of the things a writer would be likely to write seem old and trite.

I went into the workshop thinking that I had a lot of the answers.  The novel I recently renamed from Char to Time Travel Can Be Murder has a plot I'm pretty sure is unique.  It's intricately plotted, with quirky characters.  We read a few passages from it at the workshop.  Verdict: Flat.  Flabby. 

One section in particular stands out in my mind.  Going into the workshop I thought it was one of my better scenes.  The POV character and his cousin are in a farmhouse, along with a cocky deputy sheriff.  Char, an accidentally displaced 'cave-woman'  comes down the stairs with a rifle.  A wild fight ensues.  During the fight Char knocks out the POV character's cousin and then knocks out the deputy, right after he says "I'll take it from here."  She almost has to jump to hit him in the jaw.  As he falls on his face, out cold, the POV character starts laughing.  Char stares at him and then starts laughing too.  During the scene Char reveals for the first time that she's already learned enough English to communicate in it, which should come as a shock to the reader. 

Quirky, oddball scene.  Verdict: Flat.  Someone coming into the scene without knowing the characters would see a fist fight followed by an inexplicable aftermath.  And it is realistic that potential readers may come into the scene cold.  We have to write so that distracted potential readers will be pulled away from the distractions and into the book.

So what does hold a modern reader's attention? That's not easy to summarize, and I don't want to steal too much of the workshop's thunder. It's not the same for every writer or every scene/every genre. The keys are finding something fresh--a different way of looking at events and finding ways of getting the reader to identify with the character, or with the scene.

I'm probably showing my age here, but I remember a scene from early in the first season of Twin Peaks.  Somebody had deer head in their office.  Somebody had taken it down and it was laying on the desk.  The deer head on the wall would have been just part of the scenery.  Put it on the desk and it dominated the scene--couldn't take your eyes off of it.  You probably want to be a little more subtle than that, but a lot of what keeps reader interest is a familiar object or emotion looked at in a different way.  Characters that readers care about, that they feel that they know are important too, but very difficult to pull off.

Most writers, including me, seem to visualize a reader far more interested in reading their book than a modern reader is likely to be, and definitely far more interested than an overworked agent or editor will ever be.

The ideal is to have some kind of tension in every paragraph, some kind of hook.  That is incredibly hard.  But that is what the market demands.  Writers need to write for the distracted reader, to pull them into the story, and keep them there through the book.  That leads to publication, to sales,  to repeat sales, to word of mouth advertising, to fans who will seek out the next book.

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Comments: 306

~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 4:07pm EDT
Wow, this was some workshop Dale!
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Dale C. Apr 21, 2009, 4:08pm EDT
Link to the previous wombat thread.
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Rachael W. Apr 21, 2009, 4:22pm EDT
Cheater Sia!
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 4:24pm EDT
Tension in every paragraph and some kind of hook? I guess it would also depend upon the reader, wouldn't it? Not to mention the genre. I personally don't want a pow, pow, pow, story. Sure I like read stories where the tension is notching up with each chapter.

Funny, I do have ADD and I personally don't like reading that's so busy it becomes too much to take in. I read to relax and be entertained. To be taken to another place and time.

I wouldn't have though that Char would have come across as flat. hmmm. But I can see where we have to take care not to have too much 'wandering' in our paragraphs, tight, but I'm thinking not so rushed.

Like I said, it sounds like quite a workshop, and some points to ponder.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 4:28pm EDT
Excuse me? I don't THINK so, Rachael. The other thread was done.

Anyway, I need to run and pick up my child. I've been incredibly busy loading two weeks of blog articles, get things ready for Thursday's surgery. I've been working noxe to the grindstone since 9 this morning and I'm pooped mentally. I'll talk to y'all later.
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Rachael W. Apr 21, 2009, 4:29pm EDT
Dale, I tell writers that reader attention is key quite often. I've been getting a few more projects through non-wombat sources, and I find myself emphasizing one thing most often: Why should I care what happens to your characters?

I find that many people that are attempting to write think that you can just throw it all on a page and assume that people want to read it.

They need to ask themselves who their characters are, why the reader should care about the character (and what happens to them) and then put that on paper. Make the reader care. Make the reader want to keep reading.

One thing that's particularly helpful here is to think about books you love, with characters you love. Now, why do you love them? Write down the reasons. Now incorporate some of that into your characters.

If you love Dale's characters because they're relatable, funny, not afraid to take a chance, or whatever, make sure that your characters have some of that. Show the reader why you care about your character - it'll come through in the story and make the reader want to care too. Unless they care about the character, you've lost them.
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Rachael W. Apr 21, 2009, 4:33pm EDT
Not technically done, had like 2 comments to go :-p
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simon g. Apr 21, 2009, 5:19pm EDT
I think this goes back to the conversations we have had about writing for oneself as opposed to trying to figure out what kind of writing will sell. And Jamie put it quite well on the last thread. I would never try to, as an example, put a hook in each paragraph. That is what Dan Brown did, and it worked, his book sold like crazy but it was total crap. I would rather make money some other way.
Oh, and hello from Venice. There will be photos on my home page shortly.
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simon g. Apr 21, 2009, 5:20pm EDT
Oh, yeah one more thing. Turns out my teletransporter is working.
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Dale C. Apr 21, 2009, 5:21pm EDT
Simon: The real trick is to do the hook thing without writing crap. I would like to see if it is doable.
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 5:30pm EDT
I think I write very "hookish"ly. Maybe I'm wrong. It's hard to assess your own work sometimes. So, ask those begging for more Reckless. Do I produce enough hooks? *wink I tend to have many, many plot points, hopefully all interesting enough to keep a readers attention. I try to produce characters you know and really care about (even if it's love to hate them). That's a bit more challenging. The thing that makes me struggle with writing more than anything is a character who I don't absolutely care about and believe in. I think it comes across to the reader, too. That's usually when an ms is abandoned. The character isn't compelling enough to finish their story. Or another, more interesting character, wants their story written. Immediately.

Sia, so glad your surgery is coming up soon. Don't wear yourself out too much getting ready for it, now!
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 5:31pm EDT
I set myself up there, didn't I? Yeah, I probably write a whoooole lotta crap. :-)
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Rachael W. Apr 21, 2009, 5:56pm EDT
Haha Jamie, I'd tell you if you wrote crap. I'm blunt like that.

But no, you do keep people interested in your characters. That's why I stay interested at least.

And I think that it really does come across in the writing when a writer doesn't care about a character. The character tends to be flat and have less emotional investment in the the story. I noticed that with a story I'm working on right now. You can tell the author really likes 2 of his main 3 characters. The other one though has no emotional depth. The 3rd character doesn't react to situations with the same depth of emotion as the other two. And it's not because his character doesn't have the capacity, it's because the author hasn't invested himself into the character.

We've joked in the past about how the ms' are puppies/babies/etc, but when you write well, it's true. A piece of you is in that ms if you truly are writing for the love of it. And that shines through. Almost any piece of work that I can see a piece of the author in makes me want to read on, despite errors, etc. I'm sure that there are exceptions to that statement, but as of yet, if the characters are there, and there's a solid plot, the writing can be made readable. But it's not worth anyone's time if the characters aren't there to carry the reader from one plot point to the next.
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James R. Apr 21, 2009, 6:33pm EDT
Simon, great to hear you finally made it to Italy. I'm anticipating your reports will keep us entertained and perhaps make us envious.

Dale, interesting but controversial points. I will say that I consciously added a lot more in the way of hooks into my first novel when early readers said that was missing. But as a reader, I like to breathe, and it's hard to do that if the plot keeps going through gyrations. An alternative example is the book which became "Lie to Me" when published by Starr Ambrose, after it originally debuted in the FCR contest, and ultimately got was awarded 2nd place. Starr was very good at ratcheting up the tension and put plenty of hooks throughout the book, but she also modulated the tempo so that the reader could get settled in until the next plot twist came round the bend.

On the Char example, I don't think it is unfair to ask the reader to work a bit and actually understand why a plot development is important based on context they were exposed to earlier. However, if the prior context is too subtle, it may need to be underlined or built up. If you just throw a reader into the middle of a book, about all they can react to is the quality of the prose and a sense about whether the characters are people we can care about.

I'm working on dinner, so it's time to go back and stir the pot.
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Jill Lynn A. Apr 21, 2009, 6:50pm EDT
(((Sia))), was it you who provided us with the link to send submissions for an anthology soon-to-be published by Nightbird Publishing? I think so...

Guess what? THEY"RE PUBLISHING BARN OWL!! Remember it, all? It was my Phantasmorgia entry about the old lady who killed her husband and then thinks he's been reincarnated into an owl, and she slaughters him again? It's being published in an anthology titled NIGHTBIRD SINGING IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT (September, 2009.)

Happy dance! Yes, it is a paying gig. One cent a word (lol), and two contributor copies. How about that? Woot!



Thanks for hosting, Dale. Scrolling up to read your article now.
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John Philipp Apr 21, 2009, 6:54pm EDT
Dale a very thorough overview of this seminar. Thanks.

I think this is an important conversation and agree with most of the comments from others and what you've said and about the seminar except "it is realistic that potential readers may come into the scene cold. The ideal is to have some kind of tension in every paragraph, some kind of hook.  That is incredibly hard.  But that is what the market demands."

I believe that writing so ANY paragraph would hook a reader is succumbing to a zero-default philosophy (quite common across a broad spectrum in our society) at the sacrifice of the work. I don't believe you can write every paragraph so that it meets the coming into the scene cold criteria without doing some small or major damage to the overall read. I also think to spend time trying to do that would not be the best use of a writer's time.

"If you just throw a reader into the middle of a book, about all they can react to is the quality of the prose and a sense about whether the characters are people we can care about. "

I agree with James and I'm not sure there's enough space to accomplish the second part.
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John Philipp Apr 21, 2009, 6:56pm EDT
Jill, congrats!!!

(Paying gig. That means she'll be offering to pay for a round any moment now. :)
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Jill Lynn A. Apr 21, 2009, 7:03pm EDT
Thanks, John. You know, I'd buy TWO rounds had Vivian not demanded such a low word count. LOL
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Vivian A. Apr 21, 2009, 7:05pm EDT
Wow Dale! What a workshop. Daunting to say the least.

Great photos Simon.

Jamie, you frustrate the heck outta me. I want to strangle your characters, yet I can't stop reading. So yes, your hook-y.

I don't know if every paragraph needs to be that intense, but sagging is a definite no-no. I think the advice here is target an audience that wants to read. Let's face it for the majority of people pre-teen through40's-50's people don't have time to read. Reading has dropped unless it is a dedicated audience- romance is one such area. General literature doesn't seem to have the dedicated fan base that sci-fi or romance have.

So that leaves us with young children, encouraged and learning to read and Boomers who have the time to read, child rearing and main career thrust is over. This is all assuming that you are writing for a market and not just yourself.

It's all enough to make one cringe.
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Vivian A. Apr 21, 2009, 7:08pm EDT
Congratulations Jill!!! Yippeee!!! Do you need me to take it down?

So cool.
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Vivian A. Apr 21, 2009, 7:09pm EDT
Never mind checked email Jill. I'm on it.
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Jill Lynn A. Apr 21, 2009, 7:10pm EDT
Thanks on both counts, Viv!
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Sherrie Super Apr 21, 2009, 7:15pm EDT
Wow Dale, what an amazing, thorough overview. I'm so glad you did this. Thanks!!! Very interesting stuff here! I really liked the deer head example. What a perfect way to illustrate this.

I'm going to read this article again later when I'm a little more focused. I spent all day in meetings, and my IQ has dropped accordingly. Meetings. Ugh.
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Sherrie Super Apr 21, 2009, 7:18pm EDT
YAY!!!!! I just read through the comments. Jill, that is terrific news! Just terrific!!! It couldn't happen to a more deserving person either! Wow!!
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 7:36pm EDT
Jill!!!!! hurrah!! How exciting. Oh, I'm so happy for you. And we can see you are happy too. lol!
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Apr 21, 2009, 7:38pm EDT
I have to get out the door so just a quick skim. Congratulations, Jill!!! Very cool!

Sia, I think what they mean by "tension" here is making every sentence count. Every paragraph count. Not necessarily that every paragraph has to be action-packed, just that every paragraph needs to be expertly crafted, with an eye towards moving the story along.

Great article Dale. Really. I think this should be an essential writing post somewhere.
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 7:44pm EDT
Congrats, Jill! That's AWESOME!! *do the cabbage patch, do the cabbage patch

James, I tried to click on the link you posted on the last thread to visit your blog, but the link was broken. :-(
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James R. Apr 21, 2009, 7:55pm EDT
Jamie, sorry, my link got garbled.

Let's try again: On a related topic, my reading of the Times article got me thinking about my own meadering path toward writing, which I've addressed in a blog post called: Writer's Notebook: On Creative Writing Courses and Writing for Publication.

Jill, great news! We're doing the happy dance for you.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 8:15pm EDT
Hey Jamie, I posted, finally, a few pictures of February Rock concert. Mostly Papa Roach and Avenged. Didn't get a lot of close ups but they're not bad.

Lisa, the article is good and Donald Maass is very well known. It was not disparagement of Dale's article. I'm grappling over a hook in every paragraph... Tight, well crafted writing, yah. No lazy filler, for sure.

Oh good, James, because I tried to go there about 30 minutes ago and it never opened.
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Catherine M. Apr 21, 2009, 8:17pm EDT
Jill, I'm thrilled for you. And wooting, too!

Cathy
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 8:20pm EDT
Avenged you say? Must... Go.... Drool.....
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Jill Lynn A. Apr 21, 2009, 8:23pm EDT
Thanks, all! I had to write and send the publisher a bio...of...of me. LOL Hope I didn't sound too lame. Was going to try to be clever, but I just kept it very simple instead.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 8:44pm EDT
Jamie, the Mosh was really tame that night, but the kids surfing on the hands and shoulders of the crowd from mid mosh to the stage, raised his brows.
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Wanda H. Apr 21, 2009, 8:56pm EDT
We have a baby!!! I'm a great granny! Her name is Annaleigha and she was born late last night, weighing in at 7 lbs 9 oz. No clue on her length and not sure if I spelled the name correctly. But I got pictures and she is adorable! Dark hair and bright dark eyes. Hmmm, yes I'm love...why do you ask???
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 9:05pm EDT
Yay, Wanda!! Congrats, granny! Love the name. We need pictures, please!
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Ken C. Apr 21, 2009, 9:23pm EDT
I'm traveling which makes me scatter-brained, but I'm glad Dale put up this article. There's definitely food for thought. My thoughts are contradictory because I don't believe in coddling the reader. On the other hand, I think writing is a performance art and the reader deserves good entertainment in their escape from the humdrum of every day life. Oh, I'm so conflicted. Woe.
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Ken C. Apr 21, 2009, 9:23pm EDT
Good on you, Jill...
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 9:36pm EDT
Thanks for the catch on that photo, Jamie! I thought I had them all arranged properly. The good ones of Matt? Cyn stood in same place and that's when the dude in front of me stood in my way. I contemplated a swift kick, lol!
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 9:37pm EDT
Congratulations Jill! That's wonderful news! *insert happy dance here*

Congratulations to Wanda! How very exciting!

Happy Birthday to all those I missed.

I really want to come back and comment on this thread. Very interesting topic, Dale. Maybe tomorrow. It's just been a rough week.
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 9:40pm EDT
Is it my imagination or did Vivian call me a hooker? I'm taking that as a compliment. Sorry for the frustration. I'm equally frustrated. My muse is refusing to cooperate. At all. Stupid muse.

Sean is playing Jimi Hendrix on Guitar Hero. This game has introduced him to a lot of excellent music. And some crap.
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 9:44pm EDT
Hi, Lisa! Great to see you. How's the stress level over at ANBA? After the initial bummer-ness wore off, I find myself sorta glad that the stress is gone. Not that I'd refuse the stress had it been offered to me.

Sia, that would have inspired a fist fight out of me, for sure. Don't be blocking the soloist. We were always on Syn's side of the stage, so saw plenty of Syn, but I didn't get to see much of Zachy. I can't quite figure out Zachy's sudden need to wear bowties in concert, either. *scratches head
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 9:53pm EDT
OMG, LMAO! On Guitar Hero World Tour, Ozzy Ozborne is singing Ritchie Valenz's LaBamba (in Ritchie Valenz's voice, no less). My spleen has just ruptured. Someone call the medic.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 10:11pm EDT
Wanda, Congratulations on the birth of Annaleigha. Perfectly normal to be in love with babies, lol! "I would love to see a picture or two," Sia says wistfully.

My little Celtic Sprite, Josslynn will be having a new sibling come December 4th or so. My Deanna is hoping for a boy. Josslynn will be two when the new baby is born.
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 10:13pm EDT
Wellll, just got my PW Review from ABNA and as expected, it was not good. I'll just say "ouch". 'nuf said.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 10:13pm EDT
Handing Jamie spleen guard. I saw that and there is another odd one on there too.

Don't forget every one tomorrow is Gina Robinson guest spot on Over Coffee!
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 10:15pm EDT
Well boo, Jamie. I'm sorry. I like DD but I'm not the PW reviewers.
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 10:19pm EDT
Hi Jamie. Those ABNA forums are nutso. I try to stay away as much as possible. But honestly, I'm feeling pretty stress-free about that. I'm farther in the competition than I'd dared imagine, so I'm comfortable with this being the end of the road. Have you gotten your PW review yet? Mine was mixed, some positive, some negative, but I couldn't disagree with the negative, so I'm okay with that. Back to rewriting once it's all over, methinks.

Have you been getting out queries for your novel? I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Honestly, this week my mind has been on everything but writing. The brother of one of my closest friends died unexpectedly at the age of 42, and then I just got the news a few days ago that my best friend from Long Island, where I used to live, passed away suddenly at the age of 39. And if that wasn't enough, my kitty has progressive kidney disease, which I found out yesterday. So it's been a rotten week.

Blech! Can the world just stop for awhile?

I hope things are going well with everyone here.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 10:20pm EDT
Well, I have all my guest blogs edited, pictures set, and loaded up to April 27th. That feels good. That way if I'm feeling bad after surgery, I don't have to worry about it. Still haven't figured out one for this Friday. Tomorrow I have lots of running to do in preparation of surgery. I'll just be glad when it's over.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 10:22pm EDT
Oh, Lisa, I'm so sorry. You have had a rough week sweetie.
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 10:24pm EDT
Sorry to hear about the PW review, Jamie. Was there anything useful in it at least?
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 10:27pm EDT
Thanks Sia. I really appreciate it.
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Sherrie Super Apr 21, 2009, 10:28pm EDT
Congrats, Wanda! Annaleigha...What a beautiful, musical name.
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Wanda H. Apr 21, 2009, 10:28pm EDT
Jill, you rock! Congrats on your sale. LOL
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 10:29pm EDT
Wow, Lisa, that's a lot to heap on one person in a week. I'm surprised you're still standing. (((hugs))) for you. Hang in there.

The reviewer liked the science and medicine, but not the "uneven" drama, "bland" romance or the "convienent, but not quite believable" plot points. I suppose I should write non-fiction then. LOL! Back to ye old drawing board. Or at least another edit. Crickies I'd rather write for fun, you know?
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Wanda H. Apr 21, 2009, 10:31pm EDT
I'll try to get a pic up, of my darling little girl.

So funny to think my son is a grandpa and his wife a grandma! LOL They turn 40 this year.
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Sherrie Super Apr 21, 2009, 10:32pm EDT
And I'm so sorry, Lisa, to hear about that week of yours! What awful news on all fronts. I'll be thinking of you.

Speaking of bad news, I'm sorry to hear about the PW Review, Jamie! I know it must be the subjectivity of this business, because Death Domain deserved to advance, dammit.
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 10:37pm EDT
Thanks Jamie.

Those PW reviewers know how to sock it to you, don't they? Mine called my novel compelling with an artful, unexpected ending but said that my science could have been more rigorous and that my characters lacked the depth to make them truly memorable. So how I made it through, I'm not sure, lol.

I think, like everything else, it's only one opinion though, and if there's useful stuff in the review, things you agree with and can work on, that's great. Otherwise, just disregard it and move on. That's my theory, anyway.
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 10:39pm EDT
Thanks Sherrie. When it rains, it pours -- a cliche, but SO true. And isn't it always the way?
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Lisa K. Apr 21, 2009, 10:39pm EDT
I totally agree about Death Domain, Sherrie. It was one I had pegged to make it ALL the way.
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Pat Bertram Apr 21, 2009, 10:41pm EDT
Good question, Lisa K. Can the world just stop for a while? t seems as if the Wombat world is spinning like crazy with good news, bad news, travel, birthdays, babies. For some reason I haven't been spending much time online -- been doing a lot of walking, trying to think things through -- and everytime I come back it seems as if everything is changed.
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Pat Bertram Apr 21, 2009, 10:41pm EDT
Thank you everyone for your generous help in the last thread about preparing for my blog radio interview. Since it's a call-in show, you should all prepare too. Call in so those of us who have not met any Wombats in person will at least be able to hear your voices!!
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Pat Bertram Apr 21, 2009, 10:43pm EDT
Jamie, the problem with the ABNA reviews is that they have to beg people to do them. There aren't enough top reviewers who are interested. So they just scraped people off the street. As important as the review seems, remember who/what it comes from.
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Jamie C. Apr 21, 2009, 10:43pm EDT
It's not ready for prime time, Sherrie. I'll work on it though. Not sure if you can fix convenient plot points though. I wish they'd been more specific. I think it's because the people involved meet before the virus spreads, instead of after. So they figure out what's going on with the virus quickly. I can fix that. I arranged it that way because I wanted the focus to be on curing the mutated virus, not figuring out where the virus came from. But, what's another 20,000 words on top of 108,000 it already is? :-) I guess "arranging it" made it come across as contrived. Of course, I'm only guessing at what they're referring too as convenient plot points. I could be entirely off base. Maybe it needs more foreshadowing for certain treatment options -ie, the antibody prophylaxis that causes anaphylactic shock. Who knows? Ergh. I'd love more detail. Really, I would.
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Jill Lynn A. Apr 21, 2009, 10:46pm EDT
Thanks, Wanda. And congratulations to you, Great Grandgoddess. :-)

Lisa, my sympathies.

Jamie. Oh, what do they know? Pfttt
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Pat Bertram Apr 21, 2009, 10:50pm EDT
Great article, Dale. Can I steal it for my blog? (With credit to you, of course.)

As much as I usually disagree with Donald Maass, I have to agree on his point about being able to open a book anywhere and being hooked. I don't know if I do it, but those are the kinds of books I like -- where every single word means something. It doesn't have to be a Dan Brown kind of hook -- he cheats, using cheap tricks rather than compelling words and ideas. It can be anything -- an interesting bit of dialogue, a character sketch of a few words, a mood, or even an effect.

I am pleased to hear that people are bored with fights, sex scenes, big emotions. I don't write any of that -- I try to capture attention by putting a different slant on life -- so perhaps there is hope for me.
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James R. Apr 21, 2009, 10:52pm EDT
Lisa, I agree with you. On any review, check to see if the feedback teaches you something, but if it's just a difference of opinion -- move on. Sorry to hear about your losses; very tough to accept deaths at such young ages.

Sia, I hope this week the surgery finally gets done and goes well. You've had quite a long runway on this.

Wanda, many congrats on the new great-grandchild. It's always exciting to have a new baby in the family.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 21, 2009, 11:06pm EDT
Too long a runway, James.

Gather is about to do site management/revisions again. I've worked my butt off today. I don't think I can but one thought together with anything in a coherent manner. At least not in anything important. So, I'm grabbing a book and heading to bed. G'night all.
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Beth H. Apr 22, 2009, 12:17am EDT
Dale, this is excellent if somewhat discouraging. It reinforces the fact that I need to keep improving. And while compelling scenes and wording are important, I need to accept that there are proven writing tips and tricks that will grab a reader's attention and keep him interested. And that there's nothing wrong with trying a trick or two to make my work sale worthy.

So much else going on here, but I've got to run. Tomorrow, 'bats.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Apr 22, 2009, 12:22am EDT
What busy times we're having in the wombat world. Congratulations to Wanda and Jill, and sympathy to Lisa K.--too much sad news, all at once--and to Jamie (hey, we all know you're better than that reviewer, Jamie!)--and Pat, if I called in to your radio interview, the world would find out that I talk just like Minnie Mouse. There goes my sophisticated Beakeresque image!

For me, I got nuthin' but a cold. Bleagh. I'm going to bed.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Apr 22, 2009, 1:21am EDT
Pat B., that's what I meant. It doesn't have to be a cheap thrill. There just needs to be something there. I have been thinking lately that it's somehow about intention, but I'm not sure what I mean by that.

Wanda, congratulations!!!

Lisa K., I am so sorry to hear about all of this. It really is too much. The only good words I have are on the kitty, because I've had cats with kidney disease. They really can go on a long time with it and have a good quality of life. If your vet suggests you do subcutaneous fluids at home and you've never done it, trust me, it's really pretty easy. I did it for years with one kitty.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Apr 22, 2009, 1:22am EDT
Oh, Jamie, I missed yours. Feh on 'em, I say! If there's anything useful you can take from the review, take it, I know you will, and the rest of it, I repeat, feh.
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Lisa "Queen Wombat" F. Apr 22, 2009, 1:23am EDT
And Beaker, hicken soup!
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simon g. Apr 22, 2009, 2:15am EDT
Morning here, so I'll say good morning. Congratulations on the great grandkid Wanda. You musta started young! Lisa, Im sorry to hear about your losses. Better days ahead, I hope.
And Jamie, I am not surprised that some people didnt quite get Death Domain. Of course I dont agree, and Im sure it was just bad luck of the draw as to who ended up as a reviewer.

Off to a nice cappuccino and brioche. A dopo.
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Wendy C. Apr 22, 2009, 2:16am EDT
Jumping up and down squealing like a teen-aged girl.. JILL!!!!!!!! All encompassing smile - how cool is that!

I knew one of you was going to make a 2009 Thread necessary.. Anyone want to take the ball on that? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Okay back to read the rest of the thread. OH JILL THIS IS SO KEWL!
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Wendy C. Apr 22, 2009, 2:36am EDT
(((((hugs)))))) Lisa. Being at the bottom of turd hill stinks. Hang in there, it will get better.

Jamie, I could pick up Sylum (after over a year) open to any page and know where I was in seconds. Well plotted and memorable? double check. Reckless is stuck in my mind too.. reread the previous chapters when you take us out of our misery and post another? Nope, won't have to.

Wanda how precious a gift, and so close to your birthday too. Love the name, however it's spelled.

Good article Dale. In the case of Char I'm not sure I agree with the group. It's a very complicated plot. Just how does one get sucked in at the middle or not be confused?

My aim is to be the best writer I can be, to a point. If I have to twist and torture it until I don't recognize the original vision or have a nervous break writing to the market? I'll pass and continue to write for me and those who like to read my stuff. Will I make millions on that attitude? Doubtful, but I'll be a happy dollaraire. smile

Sy posted pictures.. worth checking out. Just sayin' if you want to see a glowing man...

Goodnight Neverland.
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Paul Allen Leoncini Apr 22, 2009, 3:17am EDT
Good STUFF, Man . .
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Wanda H. Apr 22, 2009, 3:46am EDT
I'm going to be among the missing until next sunday. I'm off to see the doctor tomorrow and then on to Florence to beach comb Wed and Thur. Friday my sister and I are going agate hunting and pertrified wood hunting in Sweet Home and Holley. Saturday a shower for her daughter who is having a baby boy and then back home on Sunday. So leave me a trail of coffee cake crumbs so I can track ya'all down. ;o)

Simon, I did start young... way too young to know better. *sigh

Great article Dale. For the record I loved what I read of Char. Wanted to read more... still do, in fact.

Jamie, everyone can be a critic but it takes talent to write and you write very well indeed. A critique that is too vague to be of help is to be ignored. Personally I loved your Death Domain.

Lisa, sorry for your bad news, hon. Life is certainly not a bowl of cherries but this week has been piled pretty deep for you. Hang in there, the wombats are here for ya.

I tried to post pictures but since I haven't posted one since they 'improved' the site I have to relearn everything... and download some ActiveX thingy. So no time until I get back.

As to the idea of capturing a reader who looks at the middle of a book at one paragraph... I've been reading for a really long, long time... did I mention I'm old??? I look at the cover blurb, the back blurb and perhaps the first page... but I've never looked in the middle to see if I can catch the author napping. LOL I wouldn't expect every paragraph to be a hooking tool.

I think sometimes lecturerer(sp) go a little over the top to try to get a basic point across... that we should keep the action going and not get lazy. But the idea that each paragraph should contain a hook??? Just my opinion is that is a little much to ask. I don't believe readers are that tough. Just my opinion so you can take that for what it cost ya. ;o)

Night all and adios for a few days. Everyone take care...Beaker get better and Jamie, no getting sick while I'm gone.

hugggs all.

Oh, Simon, pictures are beautiful!!! My gosh Venice is like a fairy tale place to me. Thanks for posting them.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 22, 2009, 8:23am EDT
Gina Robinson is my guest Over Coffee today. Do stop by, if you get the chance and say hi.

Grappling with a Big Idea
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 22, 2009, 8:24am EDT
Off to look at Sy's pics and read the rest of the thread.
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Jamie C. Apr 22, 2009, 8:27am EDT
Have a grand adventure, Wanda!

I can't believe you were able to keep the identity of your lady love a secret all this time, Sy. But congrats to both of you! Enjoy Venice. What a beautiful city!

And now off to work with me. Same *hit, different day.
End of semester countdown: 12 more teaching days.
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John Philipp Apr 22, 2009, 9:48am EDT
Jamie, a friend of mine just got a review in PW. It was pretty brutal ---

and she got a six-figure advance on her novel from a well known publisher.

"Nuff said.
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John Philipp Apr 22, 2009, 9:49am EDT
Take a Byte.

Thought~Byte No. 44

and

Thought~Byte No. 150
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Jill Lynn A. Apr 22, 2009, 10:29am EDT
Pat S. hasn't posted in a couple days. Has anyone heard from her?
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Dale C. Apr 22, 2009, 10:33am EDT
Jill: Got an e-mail. She is up past her ears at work, working very long hours and very stressed.
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Jamie C. Apr 22, 2009, 10:36am EDT
I'll take some of those figures, John. :-) I'm sure it softens the blow of the brutal PW review slightly. Mine came without monetary compensation.

It's supposed to be in the mid-80s today so I wore short sleeves to work. I should have worn a freakin' parka. They have the AC cranked up and it's about 50 degrees in here, I think.

Happy Earth Day!
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Rachael W. Apr 22, 2009, 10:40am EDT
Yay Wanda! Yay Jill! *HUGS* Lisa

And Sy, you're very sly, but congrats to you both! Enjoy Venice.

Jamie, don't worry about other reviews. We like your work, you like your work, and really, that's what matters.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Apr 22, 2009, 11:28am EDT
Sniffle. Sneeze. Cough-cough-cough. Today I sound more like Darth Vader than Minnie Mouse.

Dale, pass on our good thoughts to Pat.

Nothing like having summer weather and a wintry office, Jamie. Tip: keep a lovely wombat garment on hand, just in case.
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simon g. Apr 22, 2009, 11:30am EDT
We had a great day, spent money on glass and lace, private boat rides, walking, eating, and I am impressing the hell out of Brenda pretending to speak Italian. Our room is right over a small canal, the day is gorgeous, and all is good. Oh, and btw, all of the photos (more on the way) were taken by Brenda. That is, all the good ones.

Yes, it is true, I am quite sly. But in a good way.

Regarding PW, they gave my book a good review, which the publicist said was a wonderful coup. But in the end I think it mattered not very much.
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Lisa K. Apr 22, 2009, 11:47am EDT
Thank you everyone for the warm thoughts. I really, really appreciate it.

Lisa, yes, we are doing the subcutaneous fluids. Tried it for the first time yesterday. There's definitely going to be a learning curve on it for us, I think -- figuring out how best to hold the cat and do everything else. It felt like we could have used a few extra sets of hands between us. But what made me feel good was seeing how well he responded after the vet gave him the first fluids on Monday night. So thank you for the positive outlook. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Wendy -- "the bottom of the turd hill" -- now there's a phrase with character. I love it.

Wanda -- Agate hunting and petrified wood hunting, now that sounds like loads of fun I hope you have a wonderful, wonderful time.

Simon, Hope you're having a grand time.
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Rachael W. Apr 22, 2009, 12:05pm EDT
Beaker, sounds like you still need hicken soup *passes soup to Beaker* There you go.
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~Sia McKye~ Apr 22, 2009, 12:20pm EDT
Lisa K, I had a dear cat with one kidney barely functional and the other was undersized. We were unaware he even had a problem until he got an infection and it over worked his poor kidneys. You learn very quickly how to administer SubQs, not hard, and the trick is remembering where you stuck them the last time. Lyon, became accustomed to them, not that he liked them, but he didn't fight us, which was goo. Plus I administered meds through the IV needle too. It took awhile toget him back up to reasonable good health and once we did, his little kidney resumed working with just some help now and then. But still had to watch him. It's stressful for you because you love the furballs so much.

Glad you're having a good time, Sy and Bren. I'm sure Bren has her cape and stilettos packed in case they're needed--half of it is attitude and lord knows, Bren, you've got that part down just fine. :-)

Sorry Beaker. Poor you. Darth Vader huh? I'm trying real hard not to laugh at that picture.

Thanks John for putting PW in perspective. :-)
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James R. Apr 22, 2009, 12:22pm EDT
Sy, great set of pictures and what an intriguing companion. This has got to raise the bar on long distance romance -- bi-coastal anyone?

Hugs for our missing Pat S.

I'm back at work and it's all still here. I'll be very busy through Tuesday.
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Brenda Linden Apr 22, 2009, 12:25pm EDT
I'm innocent I tell you - IN-O-CENT! I blame that funky time-travelling way back transporter machine thingy. One day I'm happily running along, avenging coffee drinkers in Podunk, and BLOOEY! I'm suddenly in Venice with some professor type who thinks he speaks Italian. Well, actually it was the first "ti amo" that had me hooked. You know those Italian stallions...
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James R. Apr 22, 2009, 12:26pm EDT
Beaker. . . er Darth, sipping on the Hicken soup helps eradicate those sniffles. Hope you're feeling better soon.
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